How Could Ukraine Operate US-Supplied A-10 Warthogs In Russian S-400 SAM Nets? (WarGames 85) | DCS
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@miriamweller812 Жыл бұрын
Looks like a demo level with no working CPU player at all. lol
@dtm6190 Жыл бұрын
When you moved to objective 4 at the 30:50 mark this is how we trained with the A-10s back in the early 1980s (and later on) performing JAATs with AH-1s and later on the AH-64s. The best way to defeat this type of target is to have a "time on target" for all ordnance to land on the enemy at the same time. Artillery fires, attack helicopters fire, all the ordnance impacts at the same time (to the second) while the A-10s pull up and roll inverted (due to a low altitude ingress) to see where the impacts are in order to quickly see exactly where the enemy is. Once the A-10s start their attack the attack helicopters stop firing until the A-10 makes a break and then the attack helicopters start firing to cover the A-10s break. This continues until the enemy is eliminated or until all ordnance is expended. Use this technic next time you run a scenario similar to this one. The AH-64 will usually use a hover fire position at least 5K away and use the 8k range of the hellfire missile to stay out of most direct fire weapons.
@jayh6227 Жыл бұрын
Lol, Great to see an actual fellow vet with combat know-how to boot. All I'd guess is eyes-on target / low ceiling till contact and light them up.
@charleslynch340 Жыл бұрын
Makes you wonder how much tactics have changed since Iraq and Afghanistan
@Valorius Жыл бұрын
I used to be the board admin for the biggest A-10 site on the web, and can verify. This is exactly how the USAF would've used the A-10 during the cold war. It is exactly what it was designed for. Low and slow in the weeds, using it's massive gun and fantastic turning radius to operate under SAM nets vs armored columns.
@Doc_Roe Жыл бұрын
Caps disappointment when the boys crash at the start makes me laugh so hard every time lol " Really...Really.. Get another one" lol
@Taoweiji Жыл бұрын
Cap, you should re-run this scenario with AH64 first, and then with F35s. I bet the Apaches will do the best of the three.
@timthorson52 Жыл бұрын
Might as well do su-25s for comparison to what ukraine already has.
@totalnerd5674 Жыл бұрын
AH-PAH-CHEEEEE!!
@Michael-rg7mx Жыл бұрын
Remember the movie dark 30? Those were Apache with stealth coverings.
@MaxIsStrange1 Жыл бұрын
@@Michael-rg7mx If you meant the title “Zero Dark Thirty“, then those were modified Black Hawks
@Michael-rg7mx Жыл бұрын
@@MaxIsStrange1 Would they work?
@markstott6689 Жыл бұрын
Matrix and Cannonball were hot today, just when it was needed. Violent(sic) Moon is quite the dark horse with her surviving to hit the S400 at the end. Fun flying from everyone.
@hoomanostovar Жыл бұрын
S-400 complexes are rarely deployed without Pantsirs nearby, you should try adding a few Pantsir-S1 per site for more realism.
@miriamweller812 Жыл бұрын
Those videos are for the lols, not serious at all, obviously, since their setups near to never make any sense.
@jamiejam5783 Жыл бұрын
"Really, really? Get another one....get another two!" 🤣
@feartheellipsis6608 Жыл бұрын
Loving the work Cap. Have you ever done a fuel efficiency race? Like Top Gear did from Switzerland to Blackpool? Might be a giggle to see everyone try and work out the balance between speed and fuel.
@TexasTerpz27 Жыл бұрын
Cap did something like that roughly a year or so ago..... all I remember is cap taking the mirage 2k running it full bore with tanks till he was out of fuel and figure out his glide slope to the finish line 😆 🤣
@rubiconnn Жыл бұрын
@@TexasTerpz27 The aerodynamic/drag modeling of the M2000 is completely broken lol.
@robertdiaz4594 Жыл бұрын
@@rubiconnn agreed! However, what if GR did it with an agreed upon single airframe everyone used. Remove the variable and watch cap have a midlife crisis deciding when to go full burners or super-cruise every 2min.🤣
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
I did a couple of years back but TBH it really just highlighted a lot of problems with realism in the core game, so decided I best not do it again.
@BCNeil Жыл бұрын
A very interesting experiement. But perhaps a dull video for most.
@dexlab7539 Жыл бұрын
Violet Moon is getting good fast…as Cap says “Well Done” 😃
@exidy-yt Жыл бұрын
Cap is a damn lethal gunner against ground targets. Watching his careful bursts hitting 3 or 4 vehicles before he pulls away is impressive in contrast to other gun runs in this battle sim. *edit* actually that's unfair, Cannonball and Matrix had amazing gunnery later on, of course that's all they could really use with the growler threat. Great run!
@krismurphy7711 Жыл бұрын
I've noticed he is not quick on the trigger in the air a lot of the time....but in the A10, he's got the touch and eye and timing
@exidy-yt Жыл бұрын
@@krismurphy7711 agreed.
@Pakhira148 Жыл бұрын
S400:Phew phew A10 warthog:BRRRRRT!
@rubiconnn Жыл бұрын
The A10 is not a particularly great aircraft though.
@DripsDrop Жыл бұрын
Right, time to sit down with a coffee. Thank you all
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
Pleasure
@TheCleon Жыл бұрын
36:50 that was amazing i almost choked on my tea
@josephvarno5623 Жыл бұрын
Violet: The center of your left wing looks like swiss cheese Me: That'll buff out.
@byelochka Жыл бұрын
Should try this mission with two HARM equipped MiG-29s along for the ride
@davidgermain Жыл бұрын
was starting to feel a littel sorry for the guys on the ground. that was relentless. great work as always
@OctaviusRomulus Жыл бұрын
I'm impressed again with the skills of Matrix and Violet...
@terrynewsome6698 Жыл бұрын
Air force, oh thank God we got ride of those old a-10s finally
@thebarstoolprophet Жыл бұрын
Cap redeemed himself in my eyes. He was absolutely lethal in the A-10 in this video. Well done.
@killman369547 4 ай бұрын
That's a great observation Cap made that all of this fancy technology just to get back to essentially WW2 style fighting.
@vec306 Жыл бұрын
Violet moon is becoming my favorite pilot.
@philipdahlgren3439 Жыл бұрын
Re. Cap's summary comment: -"No air force would actually operate that low"... The current Commander of the Swedish Armed Forces (Micael Bydén) was a Viggen pilot in the 80:s (?). At that time the Swedish AF always practiced "hot" for war (extremely low flying actually sniffing the ground) and, as Cap correctly assumed, "training as we fight in war" cost us a few pilots each year. Our ÖB (ÖverBefälhavare=S.A.F. Commander) shared an anecdote from one of his (night I hope) flights when doing a solo "Summer Talk" radio show in 2020: (Circumstances subj. to my recollection but the result is accurate) -Shortly after landing, the service crew sought him out in the cantina and walked him back to his Viggen in the hangar to show him what they had found... One of the wings was pierced by a sizable, still attached, branch from a fir tree!! - Side note: I am absolutely convinced that the effectiveness of S400 in game is greatly exaggerated (as most current Russian "tech"). Cheers and thanks for great content! 🎖🪖
@ecbst6 Жыл бұрын
Still have all the old Thrustmaster and CH stuff in the basement, but the best stick I ever used was a Suncom. Thing was built to club baby seals, and still fly better than all the others.
@jansenart0 Жыл бұрын
You know what Ukraine needs more than A-10s? C-130s with CIWS mounted on them like they're B25s, to take out S-400s.
@Utubesuperstar Жыл бұрын
That’s a terrible idea sead works against Sam’s whatever you just said would end up a burning heap of scrap
@totalnerd5674 Жыл бұрын
The Ghost of William E. Boeing is laughing hysterically: "And now for the ultimate pinnacle of warfighting! The Super-Duper Fortress!"
@trolleriffic Жыл бұрын
We could all place bets on how many minutes it was in the air before it got shot down.
@nomorerainbows Жыл бұрын
"This is nearly impossible" - Cap A-10s destroy literally everything, including the S400 site itself. "you keep using that word but I don't think you know what it means," - The Princess bride
@Silo-Ren Жыл бұрын
Wow Cap, just an amazing shot there of your bombs decimating that site. 👊 🍻
@127F72 Жыл бұрын
Приємно бачити відео такої теми, привіт з України!
@cuz129 Жыл бұрын
Just in awe of the skill level your team displays!
@KibuFox Жыл бұрын
I watch this, and I'm reminded of that line from "Lord of War". "And while the biggest arms dealer in the world is your boss, the President of the United States, who ships more merchandise in a day than I do in a year, sometimes it's embarrassing to have his fingerprints on the guns. Sometimes he needs a freelancer like me to supply forces he can't be seen supplying." It would not at all surprise me to see A-10's quietly showing up in Ukraine. All things considered.
@henrygibson9613 Жыл бұрын
Would love to know the price difference between all those s400 missiles and ground units vs the a10s lost
@rajaydon1893 Жыл бұрын
That does not matter,a single bullet can take out a soldier worth hundreds of thousands of dollars
@petesmith8000 Жыл бұрын
Didn't someone recently use F-18's for this very type mission - although the target was only 3m wide - lol - TGM
@timblack6422 Жыл бұрын
It’s a great day!
@No1sonuk Жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to see if ground troop laser designators increased the hit rate with laser rockets.
@Michael-rg7mx Жыл бұрын
The US used them in Iraq and Afghanistan. I knew a guy with the CIA who operated one.
@No1sonuk Жыл бұрын
@@Michael-rg7mx I think it would make hitting the targets easier - point in the general direction and shoot.
@nomorerainbows Жыл бұрын
"I don't think the Air force would ever use them this way." This is literally how the Air Force trained to use A-10s during the cold war.
@therealdebater Жыл бұрын
Can you get a lawnmower attachment for the A-10? You could have been cutting the grass at the same time.
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
lol
@trevorrussell487 Жыл бұрын
Cap's good at low low low; A-10 role. Good vision, video and flying.
@TobinTwinsHockey Жыл бұрын
I’m just here for the BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT!
@technicalfool Жыл бұрын
I want to see an A-10 with as many gun and cannon pods as you can strap to the thing as some kind of insane moar-dakka build. Would it be good? Probably not. Would it be funny? I dunno, what do you think?
@Xenomorphine Жыл бұрын
They don't use cannon pods, so far as I'm aware. They can use their own cannon for a few seconds, while it blows through all its ammunition and that's it.
@bryanforness4404 Жыл бұрын
Never enough DAKKA!!
@vicoschangoku609 Жыл бұрын
@@Xenomorphine it has 1150 rounds, so GAU-8 cannon could be operated a bunch of "few seconds" though ;) ^^
@IRONIC1688 Жыл бұрын
Joy😊 I adore this jet! It'll make huge tactical impact in the war. I'd send a couple Mig29s with Harms to capitalize on the nails from the S400, I'm sure that's what they'll do. Love the UAF liveries on the Warthogs.
@YT-mn4eq Жыл бұрын
I agree 100%
@mikeskinner1324 Жыл бұрын
Why wouldn't you attack the Sam site first, take that out and increase odds on other sites.
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
Because it's on Russian soil. That is beyond NATO's remit.
@djoseph7164 Жыл бұрын
I love this channel
@FlyingWithSpurts Жыл бұрын
Way to go Cannonball, friggin Hero
@Specter0420 Жыл бұрын
Easy. Just launch 20-30 HIMARS rockets at the SAM site as the A-10s are inbound.
@RockMountainYJ Жыл бұрын
First wave is large swarms of drones for the anti-air radar to lock onto them; immediate second wave is copious amounts of himars, third wave is unopposed A10s
@GrumpyGamerGuy 9 ай бұрын
For almost a month of the 6 I spent playing in the sand, once the "air war" started, I got to see these flying out over us. Fully loaded outgoing, empty coming home, they'd wing waggle us both ways.. So many sorties a day for like 27 straight days I lost count... They softened everything up for us Army types.. I got there in August with the Patriot battery I was then attached to, and after a few days acclimating in the "Tent City" (Which I think is now a permanent base) we headed out to set up shop on the Iraq border in the DEEP desert... Memorable times
@nonope4390 Жыл бұрын
Lol. All of this tech just to level the playing field back to 70 years ago
@l.s8404 Жыл бұрын
What kind of bombs were used to take out the antenna at the s300 site? Balloon?
@LostBeagle Жыл бұрын
Only a drunk pilot would fly an A10 Warthog into an S-400 system
@totalnerd5674 Жыл бұрын
Only a _really_ drunk pilot would succeed.
@Silo-Ren Жыл бұрын
Just a quick question Cap, those tall red and white towers, aren't they communition towers? In other words if you just happen to take them down, wouldn't that help you to cause confusion with there con checks?
@connorjohnson4402 Жыл бұрын
Well they are communication towers but they are more likely just AM/FM radio towers along with some microwave stuff for cell phones and TV, most militaries have their own separate comms systems for that exact reason. They just use them here as and easy way to mark targets so you can find them from a distance
@Silo-Ren Жыл бұрын
@@connorjohnson4402 Oh ok, I thought those where military all the way, but yeah, sure, you know the guys on the ground need their daily dose of propaganda tv and Russian soap operas with Moscow's favorite TV personality Vlad Solo... 😄
@williamzk9083 Жыл бұрын
The reality is that the USN would have EA-18G "Growlers" jamming the S400 (at least reducing its effectiveness) and HARM missile would be fired at the S400's as would GMLRS.
@seanquigley3605 Жыл бұрын
Might be a silly question, but would the launch show up on an AWACS type platform and it could do the role Violet was doing calling them out? If so could you do short pop ups while engresing low level to trick the SAM's into waisting ammo before they can accurately hit you? Maybe even run a wagon wheel pattern round it with multiple A/C as a "Caveman tech Wild Weasle"? Until they have nothing to shoot then send the strike package in to the target?
@connorjohnson4402 Жыл бұрын
Yea theoretically but youd have to know how many missiles your enemy has and that's also assuming that your enemy will fire on every lock they get and not waiting until the kill probability of the missle is much higher, and you ignore all the different types of shorter range SAM systems that there are.
@Lankygit01 Жыл бұрын
GRIM REAPERS! first of all sorry for the all caps start but i have a question. I recently read an article in which it was reported that finnish and swedish fighters took part in a military exercise. What im wondering is if they were pitted against each other in a dogfight who would win the swedish saab or the finnish F/A 18Cs. Im not expecting a video but if one of you would care to voice your opinion on the matter i would be interested in what you have to say
@JustinMcFly1980 Жыл бұрын
Should do a low dog fight with 2 squadrons over a theme park. Would be cool cinematics, see who can dog fight below the deck without hitting the rides . 😁
@freedomfalcon Жыл бұрын
Someone tag Cap.
@krismurphy7711 Жыл бұрын
Impressive Cap....you have an eye for the 30mm in the A10
@deathbetold6469 Жыл бұрын
To make it more releastic that one guy left firing would've surrendered lol
@Anarchy_420 Жыл бұрын
A-10's and F-16's need to be sent to Ukraine!👍👍👍
@pootmahgoots8482 Жыл бұрын
Those A-10s look slick in Ukrainian livery. Also: GET SUM!
@gketchup777 Жыл бұрын
Tornados with their banned pods would love this :D
@aaronwilkinson8963 Жыл бұрын
Ukraine gaining air superiority. Thats ambitious
@dylandarnell3657 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if a change in tactics would have helped your loss rate - like hitting the outermost targets first and moving inward? You ended up going face-first into the teeth a lot.
@aimesblack Жыл бұрын
Oh no the friendly fire machine
@PhantomP63 Жыл бұрын
In before “source: Lazerpig”
@brothazoot Жыл бұрын
The second I saw todays vid title I immediately thought "oh Lazerpig would have a field day with this one"
@jamescook2494 Жыл бұрын
Why not a direct go at the sams?
@Anarchy_420 Жыл бұрын
Grinnelli F-22 Raptor & F-15EX/AIM-120D VS SU-57 Felon & MIG-31/R-37M👍
@jimbomoosio2184 Жыл бұрын
You're assuming that the defences are operating at the maximum of supply, training, morale and command. All evidence seems to be the contrary
@r200ti Жыл бұрын
Evidance from western propaganda mind. There is also evidance the other way which is Ukraine are flying less sorties than the iraq's were back in the day......
@TheEvertw Жыл бұрын
To make this more realistic, add a wild-weasel with modern HARM missiles. That will deal with the S-400.
@Thaidory Жыл бұрын
On the ground of the southern Ukraine frontlines its not just S-400 but also Tors, Pantsirs and manpads.
@StrigoiDane Жыл бұрын
Did you guys include the SAM SA-21 S-400 51P6A TEL B which has the 9M96E2 as part of your S-400 site? Evidently you opted not to include the Pantsir :-), end result would probably be entirely different 🙂, enjoy your videos, Best regards, Strigoi_dk, Co-conspirator of the SAMPack_S-300_Series mod.
@cassius_eu5970 Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't flying this low easily open them up to MANPADS?
@rajaydon1893 Жыл бұрын
Then they would get shafted by advanced AA, better off taking a chance with the man pads
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
Yup
@m1t2a1 Жыл бұрын
A dream I had. Apache helos, with Maverick missile type things that were cluster bombs. I don't think that weapon exists. That's a mission for low flying stealthy drones, and lots of them. If you didn't spend all that money on A-10 and stuff, there would be lots of money for them.
@dgthe3 Жыл бұрын
A cluster Mav you say ... interesting concept. I kinda like it. A guided, stand-off cluster missile. But if, at it's core, you're sticking a cluster bomb warhead onto the motor of a Maverick it'd only have something like 1/4 the bomblets as a CBU-87. That's not such a bad thing, as a normal clusterbomb seems to greatly oversaturate targets anyway. Other issue is that an Apache would only be able to carry 4 such missiles. So a 1 Apache = 1 CBU. But with a more focused use of munitions, maybe 4 Apache's could do the equivalent of say 6 or 7 CBUs. As for firing them from a 'large number of stealthy drones' ... sure, you could. But you're talking about drones roughly the size of the MQ9 Reaper (if not bigger). The Reaper isn't stealthy, nor is it cheap. So in the end, such a drone would probably marginally cheaper than an F35 but less versatile. What would be more useful to an airforce: 60 such drones, or 40 F35s?
@m1t2a1 Жыл бұрын
@@dgthe3 Very well. How about low flying Tomahawk or the sort, with a CBU. Flat terrain. Surely there's a cruise missile that can fly low enough to get the party started.
@dgthe3 Жыл бұрын
@@m1t2a1 Oh, just to be clear: I really do like the idea of the Cluster-Mav. I'm honestly a bit surprised that a medium weight missile like that doesn't exist. I believe there is currently a cluster glide bomb, but that isn't very useful for helicopters or slow & low ground attack aircraft like the A-10. Think of the havoc an A-10 could cause with a loadout of such missiles. As for a Cluster Tomahawk: now that you mention it, I think they had/have exactly that. And if I remember correctly, it was intended mainly for taking out airbases. Possibly (as in I have a very hazy recollection of something I heard ~20 years ago and I might be imagining it all) doing multiple 'dumps' of bomblets in the target area. So for an airbase, they might program it to drop some on the fuel storage tanks, some along the flight line, some on the fuel trucks, etc. Again that is IF one cruise missile could do multiple drops.
@clivedoe9674 Жыл бұрын
Proper SEAD goes a long way.
@troyyuncker8392 Жыл бұрын
I wonder with the low flying if the Bronco or Pucana would work better?
@maxo.9928 Жыл бұрын
Inaccurate. Half of the S-400 crews aren't drunk and the other half still exist. Oh and it helps if Air Defense knows what it's doing too.
@Maeyanie Жыл бұрын
Can't the S-400 guide via AWACS though? I know you don't have that feature in DCS, but it'd be a pretty big problem for A-10s IRL.
@DAIadvisor Жыл бұрын
They can't even keep more agile Mig 29s and Su 27s in the air right NOW, much less when they roll out slow A10s.
@Fiztex553 Жыл бұрын
10 guys with manpads would ruin your day, these things are very effective on open terrain (no popping up with flaring) and they are the real treat for a10s in this scenario, not some s400 site miles away.
@petertyson4022 Жыл бұрын
What realtic of this game . Is that actually the Ukraine are using flight simulator for the A-10. Good show.. 😊
@boccelounge Жыл бұрын
Bonus points for the Ukranian livery/camo. Looked great. I wonder if Russian ground units would even try to engage A-10s... or just run away from their vehicles.
@trolleriffic Жыл бұрын
They'd grab their Iglas and have a shooting match.
@iantibbetts6823 Жыл бұрын
Maybe try 10 miles coming in on the ground in formation and then pop up cluster and the scarper.
@MrMasterSpam Жыл бұрын
Has there ever been a good modeling done of the AH-64?
@wolfgangjr74 Жыл бұрын
Looks like the A10's are still valid attackers as long as they stay low. Wondering wehy the mavericks werent used.
@miriamweller812 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, in a video game with an idiotic setup. In reality Russian air defense is layer after layer after layer. Something like the A-10 is absolute worthless against it.
@aamcgarr Жыл бұрын
Even the S300's would blow these slow fliers out of the sky
@turbogsr4380 Жыл бұрын
90 seconds in and I'm assuming it's going to be a bloodbath. Unfortunately thunderbolt/warthog blood spilled. Let's see!!
@BigVirginiaBuckeye Жыл бұрын
I'm curious how F18 Growlers would change the effectiveness of any Russian SAM site. Electronic warfare from modern air force would more than equalize any advantage of an s400 site, if any advantage even exists. Imagine modern electronic warfare paired with F35s in Ukraine. Air superiority for sure and quickly achieved
@mikehancho5286 Жыл бұрын
Those SAM's would be jammed,and destroyed well before A-10's were cleared hot.
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
I have not ideas how Growlers work TBH.
@lylemiller345 Жыл бұрын
You need a couple of HARM equipped birds. :)
@dion6635 Жыл бұрын
There's a couple of things you missed. For a start the UAF are working with the best Intel and surveillance available via NATO and the US so they know where every thing is. HIMARS has a range of 70km currently and S-300s and S-400s seem to have trouble tracking them as they are being targeted by them. Add Bayraktar TB2, MLARS and guided artillery support to expose their convoys and military targets. Tanks and light armoured vehicles will be clearing the way for the ground troops coming up in support. The HIMARS crews will let you know when all air defence systems have been destroyed and that's when you guys come in;)
@republican9320 Жыл бұрын
The thing is in real life the pilot isn't going to knew when the missile launches and when it detonates they won't even know if it's targeting them
@psychedelic227 Жыл бұрын
@grimreaper where did you get that s-400 mod from?
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
I don't have the link to hand but it's freely available, just google it.
@psychedelic227 Жыл бұрын
@@grimreapers can you give the source or name of web？
@psychedelic227 Жыл бұрын
@@grimreapers i m already search it, but i haven”t found yet.
@exAirMover Жыл бұрын
Those Ukrainian paint schemes look awesome
@WacoA.I. Жыл бұрын
Is there any web site that can define the terms that you use? Words like nail, spike, shack, notch, etc?
@grimreapers Жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/psuKeZhktbfJfqM.html
@mr_beezlebub3985 Жыл бұрын
Now do AH-1Z Vipers
@Consequator Жыл бұрын
So what you need is an A10 with extra gun pods if you can't fire missiles at low alt or lob the gbu's in an arc.
@kaletsu2270 Жыл бұрын
Same mission add couple migs with harm attacking s400 Harm might work nicely
@williamzk9083 Жыл бұрын
You could A10 Warthogs and P-47D Thunderbolts (I figure A10 fanatics are the kind that would also be P-47 fanatics). They'd just end up getting shot down by MANPADS.
@SheepDogNumber6 Жыл бұрын
A10 Thunder!
@niteowl9733 Жыл бұрын
Those poor A10s. 😞
@totalnerd5674 Жыл бұрын
Hilarious watching them drop their nuggies on the S-400
@doublebackagain4311 Жыл бұрын
I think S-400 is 'overpowered' in DCS, compared to what I see in real life footage. Gotta work with what you have, I suppose-
@trolleriffic Жыл бұрын
Footage of any weapon system tends to be a bit misleading about its effectiveness because each side only shows the successes (or what appear to be successes) and we don't know how many failures there were. I remember the footage of Patriots in the Gulf War shooting down all those Scuds like some magical sky shield but it was only much later it came out that they'd performed pretty badly and usually missed. The fact that both sides are having such a hard time operating fixed wing aircraft and helicopters over the battlefields suggests air defence is pretty effective even if it doesn't work all the time.
@user-wx7pv7dr5i Жыл бұрын
In reality, not a single A-10 could even fly up to the range of a cannon shot ...
@martinbridge7967 Жыл бұрын
Without support...true. With HARMS support though, you'd easily be able to shut down any SAM, aside from Manpads.
@dirt1bird Жыл бұрын
Mk-82 Snakeye level runs FTW
@BigVirginiaBuckeye Жыл бұрын
In game the Russian S400 system is vastly OP. Ukraine is using HARM missile now to eliminate these sites and we know what kind of jets the Ukrainians have currently. The S400 cannot clear their skies from even the drones. The sensitivity of their radar system in game just isn't the same as in reality.
@voidtempering8700 Жыл бұрын
If we include drones, aircraft, and helicopters Russia has shot down, they total 89. I wouldn't exactly call that little, with 49 aircraft alone.
@BigVirginiaBuckeye Жыл бұрын
@@voidtempering8700 HiMARs fly freely thru S400 covered areas and so do Bayraktar drones. Countless images of drone attacks on tanks and APCs all over Eastern and southern Ukraine. Even the smaller suicide drones are flying and attacking S400 sites with no answer. Russian technology is 3rd vastly behind China and NATO.
@voidtempering8700 Жыл бұрын
@@BigVirginiaBuckeye 13 Byayraktar drones were shot down. Also, the S-400 is not exactly meant to shoot down rockets like the HIMARS. It could shoot down a single missle, but not a barrage, that is just not what it is meant for.
@trolleriffic Жыл бұрын
The drones seem to be doing so well, partly because these big SAMs weren't designed to take out something so slow and their small radar signatures help a lot too. Large fixed-wing aircraft have suffered a lot of losses which is why A-10s wouldn't be a great choice, and helicopters have been having a hard time against MANPADS.
@bumponalog7164 Жыл бұрын
@@trolleriffic f16s are far superior for operation in contested airspace than slow lumbering a10s. Hence why Ukraine keeps asking for them.
@sammysmirh3889 Жыл бұрын
Yes indeed Apaches would tear them up
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