Well said!

Imagine building an entire tram system for a facility no bigger than a football field.

I think they said that the time ingame that took to travel all the map would be 3 days

I'm like 99 percent sure op4 is cannon

@@gummy2955 Well, to me it is cannon, but the canonicity is questionable due to Race X never being mentioned or appearing again, or the Male Black Ops. I believe it'd mostly be up to head cannon, but I would say that in my head cannon, the distance is much bigger, but Op4 is also cannon. It'd involve some weird thinking, but it could be attributed to the maps being linked by a different developer than Valve, as Blue Shift and Op4 were made by Gearbox.

"I'd be so disappointed if I look at the map and see that I took the longest route possible".

The illusion would've been impossible to break if only they used more right turns instead of left turns in some maps

Is possible to save all scientiest and sec.guards from , office complex , ve v got the hostiles and questionable etics etc ... ???

@@user-in5wp8yo2i not really, they can follow you around for a while but you have to abandon them at some point as they cannot go through vents and similar obstacles that you have to get through to progress

@@InfraredScale thanx for answer , maybe try edit cfg. File and boost scientiest health. 🌝 In oppposing force we saw that scientiest and hecu are friends. But from worlds colide its hard to back to save otis and guy who help when osprey crashed at biggining. Otis said "dont forgett about us out there right'e "

If you yet add up the other "floors" of the flattened areas it'd be a much much much bigger distance

Would be cool to make a variation of the half-life campaign maps with added shortcut paths between each section, just to see how close everything really is

Is possible to save all scientiest and sec.guards from , office complex , ve v got the hostiles and questionable etics etc ... ???

It's also worth mentioning that Gordon doesn't have the Lambda Complex as an objective until "We've Got Hostiles". Eli Vance told him to head to the surface to get help, NOT to head to the Lambda Complex. Maybe we could use this as a Watsonian explanation.

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You see, you did it for Gman, as he must now watch Gordon for entertainment.

Gordon didnt know he had to go there until halfway through the game

@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 he found out in We Got Hostiles chapter, which is like 4th chapter if you don't count tram ride and pre disaster sector C.

@@blueorange9067 exactly. This distance is point a to b. Not considering detours, hall shape, venting, blocked access doors, etc

Areas do overlap. This is exploited in speedruns in fact. If you break the crates in the room right before Power Up but don’t take the healthkits, you’ll see them in the tunnel at the end of the chapter. The chapter with the most overlap is Surface Tension. Its first area overlaps with the arena where you fight the osprey. A long time ago someone made a 3D map of Black Mesa, though they didn’t separate before and after Gordon gets captured, but it still gives a decent view of the whole thing.

@@pierrecolin6376 Ah, man. Makes me wish Valve would return to Black Mesa somehow, iron out the errors and impossible bits, and combine all 4 games' maps somehow. I don't know what they'd do with it in terms of gameplay, but it's something I'd love to see.

I remember seeing a video somewhere that showed all of them together. I'll have to look for it though Edit: here it is kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bK-lZ6qJuq7KhWQ.html

Where exacly is black mesa located?

@@user-in5wp8yo2i New Mexico

Or Gordon could have died en route of directed by Eli to go that way. The G-Man always had a way with things from the start.

Well Eli thought military will help and they could end this together. When military started killing civies, everything went to shit. So scientist took the matter into their own hands

@@paulabiddaum3507 you know what they say. He works in mysterious ways

Speedrunners: are you challenging me? context: the speedrun is about 30 minutes long, with a popular segmented speedrun being a bit less than 21 minutes.

All that would have really happened would be that the weve got hostiles chapter would have been skipped

Is possible to save all scientiest and sec.guards from , office complex , ve v got the hostiles and questionable etics etc ... ???

Is possible to save all scientiest and sec.guards from , office complex , ve v got the hostiles and questionable etics etc ... ???

You can kill all the enemies before the scientists die but you can't really save them. Why are you asking me?

@@procyon6370 thanx for answer , i try to find out as max as possible asking expirience viewers ☺ One thing later noticed in opposing force we saw that hecu and scientiest can be friends and maybe also black ops ...

Is possible to save all scientiest and sec.guards from , office complex , ve v got the hostiles and questionable etics etc ... ???

@@user-in5wp8yo2i wtf lmao

Me too! One problem is you could never connect the Decay maps properly because they don't even connect in Decay. There are no level transition zones because they're treated as separate multiplayer "missions".

There are levels on Decay where you are directly above the Test Chamber, directly below it and that have connections with the Hazard Course, which BTW has an extended version on the PS2 port.

@@SamekhAniki someone made a video of the Black Mesa incident from everyone's perspective (Gordon, Barney and Shephard) with the Black Mesa map included next to it. However, despite the effort and work put into it, still inaccurate. It's worth checking nevertheless.

@@XanderNiles The someone's name is Neinfeld.Not arguing,just saying.He also made a video of the Aftermath of the Black Mesa Incident and a video of all events in order.This guy really does put effort and work to them.

@@lymphoid There is an old video where one man was apparently doing it... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bK-lZ6qJuq7KhWQ.html

Because it is.

Is possible to save all scientiest and sec.guards from , office complex , ve v got the hostiles and questionable etics etc ... ???

Or readjust the calculations using the Ospray in the map

Well that's how we do it..?

Measuring distance with an amount of objects is easier to visually understand. If I have a perfect reference for a washing machine, I have a perfect reference for 20 washing machines. Measuring in football fields is surprisingly common due to the overwhelming popularity of (American) football here, so more people have reference for it. Concepts such as a meter, or even a yard, are hard to visualize without something literal like a ruler.

I never play football, I’m Italian, so idk how much a football field measures

@@itsallgoodman4339 Slightly less than 275 meters

Toxie The thing is, it works only for Americans, you still express it in meters for a better understanding all over the world (except US I mean). It’s the same thing If I’d say, yeah it’s about 3.5 Pisa’s Tower long, or it roughly measures 10 colosseums 😂

I guess that's what you get with a game engine that goes back to 1993 or so.

​​@@kargaroc386they had to do it like that, otherwise movement would be clunky and the areas would feel too small case in point: most of cp_dustbowl, imagine if all of half life was that cramped

Also, let's not forget we don't know we have to go to the reactor complex until later in the game, so we end up travelling a lot more than we need to in order to go to different places

Is possible to save all scientiest and sec.guards from , office complex , ve v got the hostiles and questionable etics etc ... ???

​@@user-in5wp8yo2ithere are many vids covering this topic

Yeah definitely. Black Mesa is poorly designed.

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Yes, sorry Clazzette for not responding. I will make a video soon because there are a few idiosyncrasies that need to be explained.

Is possible to save all scientiest and sec.guards from , office complex , ve v got the hostiles and questionable etics etc ... ???

Yeah man

Yes, there are a lot of inconsistencies between HL maps. The first one is found as early as during the tram ride kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nbellJyLsJmamHU.html.

@@polishworm9444 Truly fascinating! Objects in Black Mesa seem to be able to occupy the same space. This sounds like impossible nonsense, unless we consider a fourth, hidden dimension which, when traveled across, can gives Gordon access to these different "layers". Therefore, Gordon is no longer traveling only in three dimensions, but he is also traveling inter-dimensionally. This may also explain the scientist's claim that the Lambda complex is on the other side of the facility. We all assumed he meant in three dimensions, which may only be a football field's distance away, but he was, in fact, referring to the fourth dimension, a distance which may be vast. This video therefore becomes incomplete. It answers how much distance is traveled in 3D space, but what is the distance traveled in the fourth dimension? Your thoughts, please.

Something to keep in mind is the Shephard goes to Xen in the middle of the game, making two separate segments. So the dam shouldn't have any conflicts when connecting with half-life.

@@lymphoid so I guess there is no way to use OP4 to see how far exactly the trash compactor and the whole 2nd half of Black Mesa is in relation to the 1st half?

No, you we can find out because both halfs of HL connect to the Lambda Core, as shown in the video

Is possible to save all scientiest and sec.guards from , office complex , ve v got the hostiles and questionable etics etc ... ???

I would love an official prequel about the original survey team members' initial exploration of Xen

@@lymphoid I'ld love to see a gameplay from the very first HECU deploying in Black Mesa and have no idea what is going on except that there is an unknown hostile force invading the facility. The only orders are to hold the invasion at all cost, interrogating scientists and hunting down Freeman Not Like OP4 where you arrive before Forget About Freeman

oh god i can't believe i didn't remember that it uses anchor triggers or something instead of coordinates please ignore this comment

This is truly a great question. Apparently there is a world to player ratio that is odd. I read on TWHL that if the grid measurements taken were into account as true, Gordon would be a short, fat guy, because of the player hull size. This is why doors in half-life are always wide, as opposed to the doors in your house which are tall and thin.

@@lymphoid "Gordon would be a short, fat guy," - sounds like a space biker to me :D

with what weapons? also the scientists never found out what the nihilanth was, only that “something” was holding the portal open, and that was only until lambda core when they could figure that out

@@audiovisualcringe nothin but his bare fists

320 inches per second is a sprint speed of about 29km/hour - the average sprinting speed of a human is about 24km/hour. Considering the fact that Gordon wears a suit that undoubtedly augments his physical abilities, and Adrian is a highly trained soldier in peak physical condition, it's not too unrealistic to imagine their top running speeds being above average.

Even worse.

I feel like field intensity makes the facility far bigger

I absolutely loved all the crossover sections in Azure Sheep.

which if you think about makes sense the soldiers could only drag him so far before he wakes up from the initial wallop to the head after all

Yeah but there is no way you can travel directly if tram system is down.

Thank you! Link in the description

Why? They're around 71 hammer units tall...

I tried to credit the author of this image when making this video, but I didn't have any luck finding your name. If that's you, then I actually recall discussing the map with you over email more than a decade ago. You said you used BSPSlice(?). [Edit, I just Googled your name, and I saw the map was dated at 2006, so that would make sense]. Anyway it doesn't match up with the results I got, which I would be happy to share my findings with you. Good work, nonetheless!

​@@lymphoid Yeah, someone has removed my signature and the little "watermarks" (or I can't see them at this resolution), but it's definitely my map. Here's the same map with everything intact: i.imgur.com/qWlvp.jpg I did not use any special software, I did everything the same way you did in the video. I think I still have the original psds on my computer at home. Every chapter is in its own file, and I then smashed them together into the big one. :D I would love to know if I made a mistake somewhere. It's been 15 years though so I take no responsibility whatsoever ;)

@@sterdot sweet

@@sterdot I've been researching these maps more ever since I posted this video and I believe (at this time) that you had not made any known errors with your original map. I was comparing yours to a similar map I created some time ago, but I believe I have located a sizing error on my map which created the discrepancy. I have therefore issued a public apology in my video's description for calling your map inaccurate. Cheers!

@@lymphoid Cheers!