Rework add-on all survivors start trial with a beartrap its more lore friendly as well

ive alway felt that the removing of the RBT should inflect a injury state. as Jigsaw was not a nice guy and even "winning" hurt.

I wonder if it would be more effective if it worked the opposite way, where the auras disappeared when the timer started. Then survivors would have to memorize box positions or spend a lot more time searching.

“I don’t think her trap should be that deadly” It’s a reverse bear trap that goes on your head I think it has to be deadly

That first game reminded me of the time I went against you and my friend got his trap off first try, every try, 3 times in a row, on the same exact box.

Survivor: *cleanses undying* Tofu: MY RUIN IS ALREADY BACK

For me traps should be deadly, or slow the game in a more consistent way(one or the other), they are soo rng based in all senses. But what in my opinion should be base kit is combat straps, or give her more power to her dash since is what makes her more decent in chases, because if you invest in the dash then traps are lackluster but if you invest in her traps, then she feels mediocre at best in chases(regardless of player skill and survivors skill). But thats my opinion and i love pig

If I had to say anything... Rule set No. 2: - All jigsaw boxes are hidden underground until one reverse bear trap is activated. - The aura of jigsaw boxes are hidden from survivors farther than 8m away. - Reverse beartrap timers are moderately increased.

Tampered Timer is the real killer here; if a trap is active, you only have time to search 3 boxes. Scorpions calls it the Iri heads for pig.

Rules set 2 should disable the ability to remove traps until they are activated

*Tofu at the beginning of the video:* I don't like that traps are so deadly. The game starts and the *4 traps are all gone 5 min later* Welcome to dbd

no one tell tofu the dwight that got game overed had his hat activated immediately after it was put on so RS2 did nothing

Tofu: "how do you know which one to go to" Me: *Looks at the bottom right of the screen and sees whispers* also me: "Hmm i wonder"

In my opinion, Rules Set No. 2 should make it to where every gen completed while the trap is active reduces the timer by 30 seconds to punish them for slamming out gens while teammates have active traps like they normally do and then make Tampered Timer make the timer start as soon as it’s put on instead of requiring a gen to pop to compensate. So effectively it would remove the Tampered Timer RNG kill while also making Rules Set No. 2 worthy of being iridescent.

Strangely enough I also thought that undying ruin would be nuts on pig but I’ve had a lot more luck with corrupt pop. I think this is down to two things: pigs early game is very important especially with that 3.8 crawl speed and secondly, the traps move people around a lot and they usually break your totems extremely fast even with the back up

i feel like this addon would be best in an indoor map, where they cant catch a glimpse of the boxes in the distance. *as im writing this you had the same big brain idea, lmao*

I had a pig game once, where all 4 survivors were trapped, and all 4 died from it. That's what you live for.

The only time ive ever gotten killed by the pigs trap was when she kept pushing me off the last jigsaw box. my teammates got out but there was nothing i could do.

Rule Set N.2 would make more sense if it prevented survivors from searching boxes while the trap is not active.

RBTs should be pig's special sacrifical kills, like pyramid's cages. Crouch and dash are too easely countered by perks. Jigsaw boxes and theire skill checks should be influenced by blindness, hex: huntress lullaby and all other perks and effects that should work.

My favorite killer by far. Underrated IMO. Love this series BTW, keep up the good work.

Every single game with a streamer who has Undying: "Why can I see your aura?"

Tofu: This killer sucks, no mobility. Also Tofu: Not using the better half of the pigs power. Tofu I love you buddy but ambush is the best part of her kit.

As someone who plays a lot of pig, a really good way to get extra value out of your hats in general which is just made exponentially better with rule set #2 is to run knockout and franklins. Basically, once those traps are on, the survivor loses their item, and their teammates can’t see them, their priorities get whacked. From there the survivor has a choice once the trap is active. Go try to find their item if you hook them, go try to find other downed survivors(which slugging is mostly a time waster in order to wait for a gen to pop) or get the trap off. Combo that with not knowing box positions until you have a 2 minute timer, and it throws a whole bunch of pressure on the survivors.

I'm happy you tested this Tofu. Now let me explain why this add on actually is bad for pig. (Rank 1 pig here) First off, survivors dont see auras of Jigsaw boxes at first, so survivors will either do 1 of 2 things. 1, search the map for jigsaw boxes and try to remove the trap. Experienced survivors probably have potential box spawn locations memorized. Or 2, work on generators till their trap becomes active THEN take it off. The entire point of the traps is to prevent survivors from doing gens, so removing the ability to see auras of boxes till they work on gens defeats the purpose entirely. This add on straight up hurts pig. Also I want to add in. Survivors get desperate when their timer is on red and is beeping fast. They will stay on a box even if the killer runs up to them. I'm sorry to say, but Ruleset No.2 didn't do anything at all for you on this video.

Seeing Tofu play Pig brings back memories of last summer. I had just started playing DBD then and was already at red ranks within 2 weeks of playing because I was playing with friends and just did gens all game long (I'm rank 1 now and typically run killers for 3-4 gens so I think I've improved quite a bit) but we ran into a Pig on Torment Creek who wiped us pretty fast, we still put up a decent fight though. At the time I was leveling David for We're Gonna Live Forever. I remember every time Tofu found me, I just went down instantly but somehow was the last one alive. Tofu found me with BBQ and I was already injured so one of my first time ever trying to use the perk, I tried to quickly turn around, bait a hit, and dead hard past Tofu and ended up just dead harding directly into him and just stood there until he downed me. Post game chat my friends went nuts because they realized it was Tofu and I asked him in chat if he was a famous DBD streamer or something and he said yes. I have no clue if that game was ever caught on stream, I hope it was, I gotta find it one day. TLDR: I was at red ranks within 2 weeks of first playing DBD and ran into Tofu as Pig and he wiped us.

I feel you in the first game. I get a similar problem with plague whenever I use here black incense I get really cleansey survivors and whenever I use corrupt purge add-ons no one cleanses at all.

Change it to where every survivor starts trial with traps on their head (They Dont Come Off) Instead of Traps activating with gens have it to when the pig downs someone she does an animation of tinkering with the trap activating everyones trap. Number of boxes stay at 4. Decrease timer countdown to 1-1.5 minutes. Instead of taking off traps boxes deactivate the timer/resets countdown. No more RNG at boxes. You can go to any box with 100% Gaurantee to stop your hat.

...Rule set no.2 should be in effect by default. This shouldn't have to be an add-on.

Love waking up to see this in my recommend❤️

I thought of a pig buff off the top of my head that may help current pig until they possibly (or never) rework her. The RNG should stay the same with boxes so that will be the compromise for the devs to not put effort into. However, getting your hat off is a different story. While you have your hat on, searching through Jigsaw boxes should take way longer (maybe as long as it takes to self-heal without a medkit). For each gen that is done while your hat is on, the shorter the search time becomes. The death timer is slightly longer, however the timer still activates on the first gen pop like normal. This requires survivors to “make a choice” to complete gens to reduce the time to search or take the time to search each box so as not to risk the time limit running out. The ladder choice means there is one less survivor to worry about working on gens. This buff also forces a team to be coordinated on gen-to-box regulation, because if someone is trapped during the endgame with no gens left to complete, that means removing the trap is significantly more dangerous. This also makes pig strong on larger maps with longer box search times. Additionally, Hex: Ruin adds more tension because SWFs trying to hold off on finishing gens to help teammates with their traps may risk the whole gen regressing. Add-ons can be adjusted to affect traps and stuff and hopefully do more than the current add-ons. Of course this is all just my opinion and I love playing the pig despite getting shit on by SWFs. Let me know if something I said needs to be adjusted (most likely) I love feedback!

I've always liked the idea that rule set number 2 is base kit The timer is increased at base from 2:30 to 3mins, but when working on a generator or healing the timer works faster similar to plague. Rule set number 2 instead could lock survivors from doing boxes until their trap is active even if they find them. Tampered timer could instead of reducing the timer (other add-ons could potentially do this slightly) it could make the penalty for working on a generator/healing double, yet the amount for healing/doing a generator with an active trap will be added on afterwards leading for very early set offs if they try to do absolutely anything besides get their trap off. Ie heal for 16s, original penalty could be 24ish seconds to the timer, but with tampered timer healing could knock off 32s from the 3 mins.

As a pig main, the best way to get head pops is tampered timer with jigsaws sketch. Either way, survivors can get it off if it's not activated, but assuming the survivor neglects his trap, it's impossible to realistically search all 5 boxes in time, and it becomes a guaranteed 1/5 chance of death if you dont bother patrolling the boxes. If you do, the odds are they will die

I think of the head-traps at ways to slow down the gens, and if someone dies that's a nice bonus. The advantage to Rule Set No 2 is that it coerces the survivors to try and get their hats off while they are under the time pressure versus trying to take them off when they have a moment to do it. To that end I like running the extra Jigsaw box add-on with it because it increases the average amount of time they have to spend looking for the right box. I'm not expecting anybody to ever die from the traps, so adding the extra box is just a way to help slow down the gens even more. And with the red add-on it means they pretty much have to do all that search at once rather than having flexibility to do it before a gen pops. (Or alternatively, if they opt to look for boxes while the hat isn't active, then it's going to take them longer to find the boxes which will again waste their time and slow the gens.) P.S. Did Tofu use Pig's Stealth at all that first game? I swear he just ran around unstealthed the entire match, seems a little counterproductive.

For me the trap should be like this: The box is at least 30 meters away from the other, the best part of the trap is the slowdown in my opinion, but in some case it's not consistent for this reason. The trap will not be pull off by survivor first try, they have to do it, at least two/three time, make the search last longer, but in exchange the timer to kill the survivor is slightly more. That's my opinion, i want to know what you think about it, for the "stealth" ability, should be faster at walking while crouch, or straight up reworking it.

8:10 "I guess that angle going in just it was a little bit like wider than I initially thought." That's what he said.

Rule No 2 and Face Mask can be a fun combo. You get some matches where the survivors just run around, because they can't find anything.

Also them not seeing the boxes at the start, makes the survivors unaware who the killer is until they see them/get chased (better in your favor if they aren’t SWF). Another secondary use of the add-on which allows you to get that initial surprise and possible quick pressure.

19:27 That dead hard was pretty normal for me, Brazil server with 100 ping baby!

Pls go on with this series 'cause are actually really interesting and I learn a lot of things so go on :D pls :D

I've gone against a Pig that used this build: Haunted Grounds + Retribution + Knock Out + Third Seal Add-ons were Rule Set No. 2 and Face Mask Basically a total blindness build with some hex defense It worked pretty well against us (I was solo queuing, so the experience might be different if you're playing against a swf). I thought it was pretty cool and creative since I hadn't seen anything like it before.

I suggest Franklin's Demise to impair map usage with Rule nr.2.

Works pretty well with facemask, whispers, infectious, knock out, and monitor. Infectious forces survivors to stop searching and restart. Knock out will be to create more confusion. Rule set No.2 basically makes it so they will keep their trap on for longer so they will carry around the blindness status for longer.

I would like it far more if the addon meant survivors traps activated as soon as they recover from dying or are unhooked but they get endurance for a short time maybe instead of it’s current effect. Or alternatively it’s the current effect but with a shorter timer and the traps accelerate with each gen popped whilst they’re active

A super underrated addon with ruleset is face mask. until a gen is done basically anyone with a trap is permanently blind. Its one of the best ways to snowball map pressure with slugs and such!

i think this perfectly shows that rule set number 2 should be base kit on pig and mabye change the effect of the add-on to if you guess the wrong box your trap activates

A change I'd make to the traps is make it so for every gen that goes off when your trap is already active, a certain amount of seconds are removed from the timer instantly, enough of a chunk to make it deadly to survivors who refuse to coordinate and stop doing gens to save their friends. That way it'd be more effective at slowing the game and still get more kills.

This is why I use pop and surveilance as pig. Reliable slowdown and tracking to back up that slowdown

Considering Saw is all about giving sacrifice for survival, i feel like there should be an add-on that will put healthy survivor into injured state if they take off the trap, or giving status effect when its off. Blood for blood, it suits the theme

If you want a good build I use Rule Set #2 on, combine it with Amanda's Secret and an Ebony Mori. You can't see the traps but neither can they and the second they get it off you know where they so you can mori them. Likewise a fun build I've been doing lately is Hex: The Third Seal with Hex: Undying, and Sloppy Butcher. Equip Slow release Toxin and a Face Mask. So they can't see any auras, can't use exhaustion perks, and healing will take absolutely forever. Its been working very well for me.

11:38 if you wanna hear tofu’s sincere thoughts on pig

They should make it that’s once a trap is on there head that they can’t take it off till the timer starts after a gen is complete, making people still do gens but afterwards creating pressure on survivors to make them play the pigs game

I recommend putting on distressing and unnerving presence to make it impossible skill check with thrilling tremors with purple timer to reduce timer and green add on which will make missing a skill check more of a problem

As someone who "mains" pig...i felt that part about the 1st try trap...BUT WHEN I PLAY SURVIVOR ITS ALWAYS THE LAST POSSIBLE BOX

Rules Set No.2 buff idea: Each gen completed while reverse bear trap is active reduces the timer by 45 seconds. It's still not crazy broken because it wouldn't proc super often, but it would fit a different niche of punishing people for gen rushing and ignoring the traps.

Ruleset num. 2 Survivors cannot remove inactive reverse bear traps. BOOM, fixed your add-on

My thoughts about this addon is that they designed it to be like "survivors will lose more time looking for the traps before they get activated" cause they dont se the boxes so they get a little lost when trying to take it off, it is not to help kill, it help to do a slow down

The main problem with traps is that people get them off before the timer even starts. This addon tries to prevent that, but instead people in high ranks will just 99% gens while the people with traps on run around aimlessly looking for boxes, which means it stalls them for longer but still doesn't really kill them. Or alternatively the gens get popped immediately and the timer starts and then the addon makes literally no difference. If it made them unable to do boxes or take twice as long when the timer hasn't started it might be better, but even then you're not really gonna get head pops.

A wee bit late to the party, but I'm pretty sure the reason the survivors in game 1 kept getting their traps off even though they couldn't see the Jigsaw boxes was that one of the survivors had a map item, allowing them to see the auras of "killer belongings", which I'm sure includes Jigsaw boxes. That survivor could then tell the others where the boxes are in comms or, more likely, they were using a Crystal Bead addon that allows all survivors to see the auras generated by the Rainbow Map. I can't stand maps. The moment I see one on a lobby I reflexively gag and throw on Franklin's Demise. Nothing feels better than slapping a map out of a survivor's hand.

They should change the addon so they can't see the boxes on the map but the beartraps take a lot longer to pop. The traps wouldn't be op/free kill, but they would waste a lot more time. So it isn't impossible to find the boxes, they should have a terror radius or music around them.

I think maybe some value is in the fact that they are searching for boxes rather than doing gens... BUT.. they should make it so that they physically can't even use the boxes until they're active. I think that would make the add-on a tad more worth it.

I honestly think Ruleset #2 should be how the helmet works in general. Don't do gens so you have all the time to look for boxes, or get a gen done so you can see, but you're on a timer.

This red add on is actually really solid but you need to run it with the add on that gives you an additional head trap so you can be more liberal with the traps. When I tried this I killed all four survivors and they only finished 1 gen.

I think maybe a cool buff to Rule Set No. 2 that would have a similar idea but more practical use would be making it so that they can only see the auras of Jigsaw Boxes from within a certain range, like 12 or 32 meters. I think this would be nice bc current Rule Set stops them from wandering and makes them work on gens more, while this rework would FORCE them to wander and waste time.

16:19 like finally someone can says these things with such precision because that's exactly how these things needed to be said thank YOU 25:50

Rework idea: the pig gets an alert when reverse bear traps are removed and can see the auras of removed traps. They can collect the removed traps and set them on survivors again.

Rule set No 2 encourages survivors to work on gens instead of working on boxes. I think tampered timer and crate of gears, or jigsaws sketch, are better for head pops (I say this as a pig main)

i feel like the traps should have a smaller timer but only count down if you are doing any sort of objective. So like it counts down from 20 if you are on a gen, doing any totem or even healing/picking people up. idk how well this would work but i feel like it would make it less deadly and waste more time

Tofuuu, where's the vide-- Oh 9 seconds ago there we go thanks

Rule Set No. 2 change idea 1 Reduces traps by 2. Traps are active the moment they are placed on a Survivor. Rule Set No. 2 change idea 2 Survivors cannot interact with Jigsaw Boxes while their trap is not active. Slightly reduces the timer (15 seconds) Does not stack. Rule Set No. 2 change idea 3 Survivors cannot remove their trap upon completing the first Jigsaw Box. Slightly reduces the chance of removing a trap after each search. (5% after each search excluding the first. 10% less chance of removing if all the boxes except 1 have been searched.)

The point of this add-on is to stall more time if survivor tries to find box early, or combine with stuff like tempered timer or debut addons to makes the traps more deadly and makes survivor more vulnerable. It is not one of those game changing things, but it is always helpful to have it.

4:44 welcome to Pig Tofu.

If they dont make rule set no.2 base they should add something to the add on like if they find a box before its activated and they dont find the key the trap activates but removes 30 seconds to compensate for there being 3 boxes left to search+base rule set no.2

Once I got a pig hat and a gen popped while I was on hook, I searched 4 out of the 5 boxes, the pig downed me twice and hooked me once, david slowed me down by healing me, and I died in the arms of another survivor. I like to play the pig, but I hate being boned while going against her.

Pig is like any other Stealth killers. They are newb/noob slayers. They are really strong against unskilled players, but as the survivors gains more skills they just become a 4.6 killer (They are very counterable). Ghostface- He could mark players from far away and even mark during chases (thanks to broken sightline of dbd). Pig- She could slow the game by using her beartrap and mind game with her dash abiliy. Wraith: Consistantly, go into cloak mode and run around the map and de-cloak to gain a short movement speed to lunge from miles away. Their Power seems very powerful on the paper, but the probelm is: their abilities doesn't help them end chases quicker. Yes they can get easy first hits off from their stealth, but *THAT IS IT* I play Wraith and Ghost face. And although I could get some free first hits. I have seen a survivor that managed to loop me for a while. (BTW I am red rank in killer) I think overall stealth killers are balanced, but they could use some improvement.

I think like the doc and fredward it would be cool too see her get a power change through addons like swapping her hats for other devices to interact Windows and pallets or something. Trade out killable devices for harmful traps idk I think it would be neato

19:25 looked like the survivor there purposefully stood still for a dead hard bait. Someone even did it in the recent BOTB tournament.

i think the addon should half the timer it makes pigs trap take to kill (make it 1 minute) and have all jigsaw boxes obscured always

Crate of Gears and Bag of Gears are her best add-ons. Faster trap set time and longer to search boxes. They're ultimately not that amazing anyways, but you'll at least buy more time even with bad RNG

pro tip: if you want a beartrap to count down while hunting a survivor, in a loop preferably, crouch so theres no actual "chase" going on

If you are chasing a Survivor with an Active Bear trap, go into Stealth! You instantly lose chase even if you are following them, timer for the hat goes down "mid chase"

I suggested having the Pig be able to pick up her RBT. If that, have an iridescent add-on have the ability to continue where they left off. Got feedback that that ability will be too powerful for the Pig.

if i use the pink addon, i always like to combine it with Interlocking Razor.. when i started as a Pig main i used it a LOT, and i didn't mean in the beginning to kill people with it lol.. it just happened

I have an idea to replace rule set 2 that I think would actually be better. The obsession starts the trial with a trap on. This trap looks more like the Venus fly trap from the movie. The trap is active from the start and will kill the obsession after two minutes. The trap cannot be removed but completing any jigsaw box will reset the timer. Once the exit gates open, the trap will deactivate

Better idea imo is running rule set with jigsaw sketch on the red forest map, even though that map is hell it's probably the best value for the addon

I think rule set 2 should be reworked where they can't attempt to take off their trap until its activated. That way you can use other add-ons that give status effect like exhaustions and the sort.

I think there's a add that causes oblivious to the survivor but I think that just put more of an incentive to find the boxes but it can be a time waster.

Maybe an addon that makes the timer progress continue if you put a 2. Trap on a survs head

I got into the first 100 views!!! Quick reflexes value BABY!

Iridescent bear trap: the obsession starts the trail with an active trap

I’m still confused about what feeling rubber-bandy is

I've tried using The Red Forest before with the hope that a larger map means more distance to travel to remove the Reverse Bear Traps, but you as the killer have to travel just as much as the survivors do to patrol the Jigsaw Boxes. I ended up having the same issues that you did Tofu. I think that Lery's might have been a better map instead of Hawkins. In addition to the Ultra-Rare Addon I feel that the dozens of rooms and doorways cut off the survivor's vision and hinders their ability to find boxes more effectively. Then again, an Addon's success shouldn't be dependent on which map you end up playing on, but that's how it is at the moment. As much as I love the idea of playing Amanda, I personally don't like her RNG factor in a game like DbD. I also think that even though the Ruin+Undying combo can be a challenge for survivors to play against, there might be perks that are more beneficial to Amanda specifically, like STBFL. Overall, maybe replace BBQ with STBFL for a couple of rounds and use both of Amanda's Ultra-Rare Addons on Lery's? Or maybe switch Whispers with I'm All Ears? You could utilize her stealth as well, so you wouldn't have to specifically focus on her Reverse Bear Traps with the Rules Set No. 2.

I feel that Pig’s RBTs should be strong, but not in the way they are currently. Currently, head popper build nets you on average a %25 chance to head pop, but that feels awful since it’s not because of a lack of skill, just RNG. Change I would make, without fully reworking her kit: Remove Jigsaw Boxes. Add-ons that would affect them are changed to handle the “trial.” The trial is a revamped basement with puzzles and challenges. Solving 4 let’s you escape. Each time you’re thrown in the “trial,” you get increasingly difficult questions, until they are incredibly difficult (nigh impossible.) only one survivor can be down there at a time. Doesn’t count as a hook stage. Send Survivors into the “trial” the same way Executioner sends Survivors to the Cages. The idea is it does what RBTs do in a small sense, remove players from working on objectives. Because of the difficulty that’ll now be based on skill much more than luck, Add-ons now will focus on making the puzzles more difficult early on, say the survivor is drugged and has hallucinations while in there, ect. Side note is that Survivors and Killer can’t go into the basement, being Entity Blocked from even dropping into the stairwell, and Survivors leaving the basement will be healthy and get Endurance for 30 seconds, so a killer that wants to Tunnel has an additional layer to puncture through. Sure it’s not the RBT, but it’s more Saw like than just one little thing

if you want to kill survivors with your traps try this combo Crate of gears ( very rare ) Tampered timer ( very rare )

With Pig, I always run Face Mask + Rule set and then Third Seal. Makes it almost impossible in a slug situation to recover

I tried rule set 2 on lerys and the game. Indoor maps do work better than outdoor ones multi level maps better than single story maps so my hypothesis is it might work on hadfonfield as well... dunno though because it's super RNG. Every survivor I trap gets their trap off first try, I get trapped and have to search all fucking 4... Best rework for rule set 2 would be to not hide the aura of boxes but make the traps unable to be removed until a gen is finished. That'd make it worthy of being ULTRA RARE. Could reduce the initial slow down traps provide since the meta is to get your trap off before doing gens but once a single gen popped you're guaranteed that nobody with a trap on is working gens at all so your trap slow down kicks into overdrive.

Pig Build Unnerving Presence Huntress' Lullaby Distressing Perk of your choice Running it with crate of gears and Jigsaws Sketch makes it very time consuming. Alternatively, Interlocking Razor and Jigsaw's sketch for the regression penalty, pairing nicely with Lullaby. -Pig Main

I think the problem is that they SAW the trap remover because it's the OUTLINE that they can't see with rule set no. 2 on, not the box vanishing entirely. If they SEE the trap remover, then they will know WHERE to go to remove the Reverse Beartrap.

I so want a pig rework she needs it so much because once she loses her bear traps which is very easy to do she's basically a m1 killer

i think the pig should have an add-on that the first search never takes the trap off so it can at least put some map pressure