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Hey man love the video, I wish you pointed out more of how that character arc is parallel with Butcher's too! I find it really intriguing how butcher and homelander are so intertwined. Seeing Butcher so close to snapping as much as it seemed homelander was to doing the same really pitted their two stories together. You'd be better at wording it than I ever could so I'd love to see a video!

why not both?

It's called Muphry's Law

Just goes to show how phenomenal Anthony Starr is in this role. He deserves an Emmy

@@GabesEdtiz ikr

honestly will never understand how people find this character horrifying most of the scene in which he’s doing horrible things have a deep layer of brokeness behind them he’s like such a sad quite frankly heart wrenching character

@@nothingbutintroverted4372 yeah i csn see that...but then you rembmer he'superman, and if you factor in his everything else. it equals a very horrifying person.

Literally!!! Him with that shape shifting supe scene was terrifying

What Homelander really wanted was to be adored, both by Stormfront and by those millions of followers she talked about. He doesn't care enough about non-powered humans to give a crap what color they are, all that matters is they adore him.

@@Kevin_Street And don't forget that he sees people with superpowers as superior to normal people. Why would a being that can level an entire city with enough effort care about what color skin normal people have?

@@MultiNaruto900 But racism is not exactly a rational thing. He's clearly ableist, as depicted on how he reacts to Blindspot, when "why would someone that powerful even care?" He's not particularly racist, but there's no rational reason for it. Bias and prejudice are never rational.

@@theyneverknow You're missing the point here. Evil groups tend to recruit people by offering what prospective members want. This is a similar tactic used by Satan when Satan tempts Jesus. Homelander, before joining their cause, considered those without superpowers lesser than those who do. This likely stems from when he was younger, as: "He had a motherlike figure, a female doctor, but she was killed by Homelander himself when he was young and innocent after he hugged her strongly, accidentally breaking her spine. Prior to her death, he had caused similar incidents to countless other tutors, a behavior that was usually motivated by indignation, but this time caused by isolation induced depression." Being a kid and outright snapping a person's spine by accident HAS to be a little traumatizing. Though at the same time, he cares about what the public thinks of him despite looking down on them. He craves being idolized and seen as something great because he does not want to admit how fucked up he is on the inside. He refuses to acknowledge that maybe he is doing it wrong or see the world differently. Because he is scared. That isolation induced depression is what fuels his drive to be seen in the right by crowd of people. It doesn't matter if he himself calls those without powers "cocksuckers" because in the end, it's their praise he desires most and won't easily let them die. Why? Because isolation is his greatest fear. Stormfront (as an agent of the group she belongs to) fosters in Homelander the idea that by joining the same group will allow him to find the solution to all his insecurities and flaws he has. Is she evil? Well, she is recruiting Homelander into a racist organization, but from a narrative perspective, she represents a part of what Homelander greatly desires. He fears hurting the ones he genuinely cares about (again, a child who literally killed someone because that child is unaware of their own strength is traumatic) and Stormfront's powers allow him to feel safe. Thus, Homelander is lured into becoming evil because he gives into his own desires (beyond carnal pleasure). He gives into evil because as far as he is concerned, he was too blind to understand how to live happily and cope with his personal issues - to which Stormfront's group presented the offer of helping (of course with ulterior motives). Furthermore, Homelander wasn't raised normally like you or me. "Homelander was raised in a lab, surrounded by doctors like Jonah Vogelbaum, who called him John. For not having a motherlike figure, Vogelbaum remarked that Homelander turned violent, aggressive, and downright hateful. In his childhood, he was subjected to hours sitting in front of a projector, seeing images that were chosen to mold his personality, like the American flag, Jesus Christ, and baseball." Would he have turned out differently if he was raised in a normal human family? Your guess is as good as mine. He was not given the chance to develop naturally (in sense of how normal people attend school with other peers and have the opportunity to grow up with many different people) which seems to have severely messed with his development. *He doesn't understand what a normal childhood is because he never experienced it properly.* His personality was picked out by somebody else to make him be perfect with no real agency on his part. Seriously, his time in the lab was legitimately traumatizing: "When he reached the bedroom, he saw the blanket he really used in his childhood locked in a lab. Triggering some painful memories, Homelander became angry and asked who put the blanket there, leaving right after that." - during a commercial for a reality tv show

@@theyneverknow TL;DR I was explaining that due to how Homelander was raised likely made him more of an easy target for evil groups who appeal to people's weaknesses in order to recruit them. Since good groups couldn't properly deal with Homelander and help him, evil groups become more attractive. Homelander may be inherently good, but is effectively crippling himself in utilizing it for good because he refuses to see his problems properly.

Right? The first time I watched that scene, I was confused for a second, like "Homelander, that's not the problem - ohhhh. That's the only problem he thought there could possibly be."

I didn’t realize this until you mentioned it, wow you’re absolutely right

@@pance_9912 I didn't even catch that. Holy shit

What scene is that?

I dont get it

it's also because Homelander himself said it: he has no other life outside of his suit and cape

Well the trailer he wore some normal clothes--

Im not sure HL would Want to be seen in anything other than his suit tbh

@@seishonagon8468 What trailer? I missed it. Thanks.

@@laithharisha1631 Exactly. He dropped the John alter ego because to him HE is Homelander. He thinks he's better then humans, so he wouldn't dress like them.

Exactly. He doesn't perform feats of strength to save people simply because he doesn't want to, he just opts for lasering everything with minimal effort. The plane scene shows that, as he just makes a bunch of excuses as to why he couldn't save them. He could have, but he would have had to actually put in some effort.

The face he made when he realized he broke the cockpit and would have to do something other then what he is used to reminded me of myself when I realized I had to lift weights and train to get bigger.

@@Hey_Loser after he lasered the cockpit he couldn't save them anymore

@@Hey_Loser how do you hold a plane, it is not made of solid steel, it will just crumble

@@tedarcher9120 couldn’t he hold it from the bottom and hold it up?

Mr. Chopsticks I can see why. This season moves at a slower pace than season 1 and has less urgency. At least thats what I heard from Sean chandler

There's so many good reviews, why focus on one of the few bad ones?

I think one of the main things that hurt this season is them dropping only one episode a week. Combine that with a slower pace and it felt like nothing happened at all the whole season.

@@JarinXeno That actually helped them to get a lot of traction

Chris Joshua Perez The show did go back to a sort of status quo. Becca is dead and Billy is enraged, again. MM has his family back (although we never see his wife so she may still be mad), and Starlight, Maeve, and A-Train are all back in the Seven with Homelander. Aside from Hughie and Frenchie every main character is back to where they were at the start of the show.

I doubt it. But maybe.

Young Homelander Fridays This Spring on Peacock!!!

@@Matter-Dark I mean.. That makes a lot of sense in a fair few ways. Homelander is somewhat like an arrogant genius in some ways; He doesnt know how to actually interact with people in a healthy way, how to form proper attachments or bonds, so he retreats into the one thing he has, his power. Its a fascinating interpretation, at least.

To be fair it's not selfish to want to be loved and accepted. But in Homelander's case he just takes it way too far. He lashes out when he feels powerless which is something we all do but here's what I like about this when people compare him to Superman. Superman was raised to believe that all the power in the world means nothing if not used by a good person. Essentially like Tony told Peter with the suit except in this case If you're nothing without these powers then you shouldn't have them. Homelander was raised TOTAL opposite. He was made to believe that his powers are what make him better then others. That they are what make him great. He doesn't know how to be a better man because he's never had to be one. In short Homelander is in my opinion what happens when someone like Lex Luthor gets the power of Superman. In fact I'd argue that Homelander is EXACTLY what would happen if Lex did get Superman's power.

Possibly that was a selfLESS act, however you could argue that he did it to not look like a neglectful guardian to the fans.

I actually think he did the Ryan thing because he wished to further Ryan's trust in him while simultaneously proving to the public how "caring" he is. Just my thoughts though.

@@talpho3301 Idk that moment and the way he acted felt way too real to me to be an act or a ploy to gain Ryan's trust. Plus the public didn't even register Ryan its Homelander who noticed. Plus he was way too cold to the audience for me to believe that he was doing it to look good. I mean he even left Storefront there.

I think the bits of parental concern he shows for Ryan do come from selfishness in a way though. He see’s Ryan as an extension of himself and only cares about him because of that. He doesn’t care about Ryan, he cares about his blood.

His reaction to the white genocide speech is hilarious, but the best iffy reaction is to her being like "no more screaming fans". Antony Starr perfectly conveys how they're not on the same page and he's now re-thinking everything with the subtlest of facial expressions. She misread him bad with that line.

Its called white genocide

I really enjoyed that scene. I mean he’s a entitled and selfish person but he’s no Nazi sympathizer.

@@SukhberS it ain't that, homelander is a fucking monster but he is a populist he wants everyone to love him and if you killed off people of color he wouldn't have those people around to worship him

He’s more like “They’re all hamsters, I don’t care what their color is.”

Yep, he said a whole lot when he wasn't talking than when he did. He didn't really have that much important things to say but his acting said a lot.

I love Anthony’s face twitches and micro expressions. HL feels like a real person (aside from powers and stuff).

Pfizer?

@@erikfinkel2717 meth

@@savagetwinky2606 pfizer sells meth? shiiiet! wait are you saying The Boys is an allegory Reagan's war on the drugs?

@@erikfinkel2717 Breaking bad, gus, blue meth

@@savagetwinky2606 I'm confused but i'm connecting the "Dots" thx. i've seen some memes

Well, "Mommy Issues" is kind of covered by "Need for affection". It's all just a part of defining his emotional immaturity to the viewer.

It's so apparent it's unnecessary to actually voice it, lol.

he’s sad and nuanced it goes much deeper than mommy issues for sure

Homelander is basically The Most Extreme and Most Messed version of the "Manchild" trope

Can’t have mommy issues if you have no biological parents 🧠

Lol why must you dig up that repressed memory

oh, Troyoboyo 17 was talking about that.

if you didn't experienced love in your childhood and experienced cruelty you can turn just like homelander. No need for lab amd stuff

More specifically, being constantly told you're one of, if not the most powerful and important person in the world.

I was going to say they should have given him a puppy but it's probably good they didn't😂😂😐

oh chill out with the "its just human nature bro" narrative shit. genes and instincts aside (both of which they probably controlled as well), he literally did not have any input or knowledge to work with to be different. it's like trying to make a physicist out of a medieval european peasant with 0 training or education after the fact. that's not human nature or w/e weird nihil-fatalistic interpretation of such, that's just simple math.

Kinda off topic but when you put it like that it completely applies to sephiroth aswell I mean, no love, always lied too, made as a weapon for a corporation it’s all there

captain mindnight

Stop copying midnight

Most people who had the misfortune of being surrounded by liars and cheats their whole life will end up with a twisted fixation on honesty. Dishonesty being literally the root of all evil probably doesn't help.

I think it's also worth noting that we start with hating him and then we learn more about him and get that feeling of reluctant empathy you mentioned. Meanwhile, with Stormfront, we are primed to like her at first because she comes across as the anti-Vought super with her deriding their PR and fake-feminist bullshit. Then we start to see her bad side and for me, I started to feel a reluctant dislike. On the one hand she supports an evil ideology, but on the other hand we've seen her sharing our stance on Vought's corporate take on supers and her earlier conversations with Starlight make it feel like she's what we wanted Starlight to be in season 1, someone willing to stand up to Vought from within the system instead of caving to their every demand.

@@MoffatLee Stormfront is definitely a confusing one. I'm surprise she listens to anything Edgar says, seeing as he is black. Her knowing about that facility where those "rejects" for the Compound V were kept leads me to think maybe her daughter had a child and the grandkid was there? I don't know, lots of her past between Nazi and current day is slightly vague. Someone fluent in German told me that at the end she was telling a story about a picnic under an apple tree and her daughter ate an apple for the first time.

@@MoffatLee You had a "reluctant dislike" for a nazi that wanted to eradicate over half of the worlds population?

@@UkGhostzZ I think what they meant was that when her character was first introduced she had that tough, no-nonsense attitude that was anti-Voght. We had no idea what she was at first (I kinda did balk at her sharing a name with a notorious website).

@@Flufferz626 I wonder if being Vought's wife gave her any special influence within the company? I got the impression that hospital was a secret Vought operation and there was some sort of conspiracy within the company to create her white army. Edgar was probably willing to go along with it because selling all those Compound V injections would be great for their profit margin.

That’s Giancarlo Esposito for you. Such a commanding presence.

@@FreerunTMac gus gus gus gus

Los Pollos Hermanos

Alternate universe version of Gus from Breaking Bad

@@yoloco231 I wish

And Toph gets her ears clapped and now she's blind and deaf. See what I did there?

@@Skycrusher Yahh I don't think earth-bending will help that much against Superman

@@Skycrusher doesnt Toph actually use earthbending to "see"? It's not hearing like a bat, she "sees" through her feet. That's why when Zuko accidentally burns her feet she is "blinded", why she took the soles out of her shoes in Ba Sing Se, and why in her fight against Aang she couldn't "see" him when he floated through the air but "saw" him as soon as his toe touched the ground

He knows she is alive he said it the last episode near the end

@@Jack-sr2rk i personally thought it was a lie to the public, y’know, “heroes don’t kill villains” and shit

@@chicken0w044 that would make sense but the director did confirm she is alive. Shell prob come back Vader style after a season or so

welp youre certainly right about cripple

She was alive... for a lil bit. xD

There’s a video of Vought saying they want to be in everyone’s town while advertising Amazon like services. Look up “vought corporate video” on youtube

And Warner bros

@@elenasmith3941 They're actually DuPont, if DuPont had decided to branch into the entertainment business.

The are Pfizer, Disney, Amazon, Netflix, and Facebook all rolled into 1. This is because Vaught is a satire of real world megacorps, so anything any megacorp in our world does will simply be done by Vaught in the show. (Its easier than making other companies within the show, and is both believable and futher builds up Vaught as a megacorp of doom)

Good point. The Deep is mostly cut off from the main action but the thematic connection with Homelander keeps him relevant.

"girls get it done"

Why did u like that lol

@@neferpitou. Because it gives more time for the episode to settle and to build excitement for the next.

@@SuperPianogirl123 yeah I understand plus mute publicity but now I just want to forget about the episode as quickly as possible

Agreed. I think one of the main themes of the season, and especially Homelander's story, is how easily one can fall when someone believes themselves superior to another (whether it be race, gender, social status, etc)

That's the beauty of it. It is a beautiful portrayal of how so many hate movements consist of incels and man-babies being controlled by politicians. The social media radicalization scene (the guy who kills the store clerk for no reason) is a great hint to what this season is about.

@@maskingtables It was a sad end for not-black, not-bald Neil.

LMAO what an eloquent line

Very likely

Homelander is just a textbook narcopath.

@@tedarcher9120 I should read more.

He was... On the rails?

That is not even an assumption, this is obvious If you are a writter. The same way Ryan killing Becca AND Stormfront making Butcher have to decide to protect a super was obvious if you are a writter and now story structure. Homelander WILL get unhinged because he is the "villain" of this story and he have to get crazy and finally snap Someday. The Boys is too predictable

@@KKarkatVantas So do you want a cookie or something?

@@landendrake1696 Why dont you say the same to Savage then?

@@KKarkatVantas dude why does 6 months feel like a long ass time and btw id love to see him snap

Eyyy, fancy seeing you here

Phycological..?

Raviol

Dante! Hope you're well, man.

i wanna die too

Jesus nalce u good bro

Have u seen What We Do in The Shadows?

@@clkgtr12 It's a funny show. Also If you like Antony Starr, then you will like the series Banshee. It's very brutal show with Antony Starr on lead role.

@@MegaAndyGG Now that my fav shows ended their latest seasons, im going back to watching movies, and ill check banshee out later

@@clkgtr12 Nice! 👍 It's amazing series! 👌

@@MegaAndyGG what site is that on?

I actually think they would've needed 2 seasons for Daenerys' downfall, but you're right. Without digging deeper into her thought process, having REAL & ORGANIC consequences, and CLEAR reactions to those consequences...all we ended up getting was a bunch of plot holes, confusing multiple-choice, and an empty message. It's okay for a viewer to disagree with a character about their choices or goals, but Dany had clear DO's, DONT's, and WHY's established in earlier seasons that were never TRULY compromised in a serious and undeniable way. Her flaws never grew or expanded (not in my opinion anyway). As a Dany fan, it was insulting. I deserved to have my heart broken the RIGHT WAY.

@@thedifferent14 Dany had power for a long time and clearly didn't abuse it anymore than any other ruler would, showing she was sincere about her intentions. The writers wrote themselves into a corner, and decided to get out by writing "she had the wrong genes to rule, actually".

That's why people hated it, so a few seasons before stannis tried to sack that same city no dragons lost, dany had dragons and won, why was having better weapons making someone crazy, fighting with arrows vs a gun sounds more crazy....

​@@yuna48910 Well, Stannis ALMOST won

His name is John

His name is John, but no one but vogelbaum has called him that

His name is John

@@evelife915 The most steryotypical American name you could find.

He's also one of the only ones to never be seen out of costume for the same reason.

Home lander was raised in a lab. Superman was raised with good parents that actualy cared about him, and not just his power. Pretty good reason for Superman is still a good person.

Basically the plot of Injustice

No it doesn’t he had a healthy family and upbringing along with know pre diagnosed mental disorder lolz it’s really not that hard THERE ARE NATURALLY GOOD PEOPLE ya know hahah lolz

Who's durable enough for the job tho

NPD is rarely treatable

@@alainapowerchick2025 Another supe maybe. We saw from Annie and the congresswoman Victoria Neumann that there are Supes who can live and integrate healthily. It’s not a stretch to think that supes could live normal lives and become amongst other things a therapist. Would have to have Super durability though to withstand homelanders possible outbursts.

Nah, he needs to be sent back to hell.

No he needs 30

Nah, I had the same issue , so this was a reassuring comment.

@@adamcatherwood4087 I'm glad I'm not alone. Thanks Mr. PoopyButthole

He convinces himself that he does not need the admiration of others, because he sees that the "old him" needed that and he associates the "old him" with weakness. However, Homelander hasnt really changed and still needs this, as it is a fundamental aspect of his character.

Yeah ur right but it’s part of his arc he realizes he can’t live without people love

@@wanderingshade8383 That seems reasonable. I didn't really trust that realization when he said it. It felt a lot like how people with anxiety try to rationalize a stressful encounter by deluding themselves into believing an empowering narrative just to overcome those feelings for a spell. Thank you

Oof same. Plus it scared me how I could look up to someone who piss on my dead body for just existing. I hate it.

Him saying 'he doesn't need anyone' obviously isn't how he really feels, it's him trying to convince himself and/or others of that fact because genuine connection is something he keeps failing to attain. Failure/weakness is something he hates in others and can't stand to see in himself either, so he tells himself he doesn't need other people in an attempt to maintain his self-image and self-esteem. You'll notice it doesn't really work though, because he keeps trying to connect with other people and then needing to tell himself he doesn't need them again when the relationship doesn't meet his expectations or fails in some way. And clearly he isn't expecting someone to see him jerking off at the top of a sky-scrapper at night, so it's irrelevant to his image. He's also overconfident and doesn't often think through his actions, reacting on emotion or instinct unless forced into a situation when he can't. So even if doing that was a bad idea he's probably not in the right mindset at the time to realize it's a dumb risk, he's just trying to comfort himself.

He played the fucking Mirror in OUAT

Because he's hella good at it.

Haha thanks man!

She gonna comeback like Darth Vader yall!

After seeing what Homelander gets up to in just the first half of season 3, Starr was not joking.

Precisely! While I don’t think Homelander buys into Stormfront’s whole Nazi ideology completely, he still is an incredibly ignorant and bigoted person who very willingly goes along with it because of his own need for validation. There are plenty of moments where Homelander embodies the ignorance and self-centeredness of Americans joining conflicts they don’t understand and still being seen as the “good guy” (like when Homelander goes to Iraq and destroys a whole building indiscriminately, or kills an African bystander while fighting a villain, mocks a blind guy whose worked harder than Homelander ever has in his life, and in season 3, calls a Muslim woman “Al Qaeda”). While Stormfront is a first era Nazi, Homelander embodies the subtle bigotry that can stem from American ignorance and pride. Homelander looks down on everybody, but being an American figurehead has not given him any perspective or empathy to understand social conflicts and class divides.

Homelander has a god complex, and vought has set him up to be worshipped by Americans, but he is also a perfect icon to be worshipped by nazis, so he is fine with supporting whatever ideology is most likely to rever him as the god he thinks he is. Starlight is the actual superman figure of the show (in the character department, homelander has his powers but starlight has his heart), and as such better represents what Americans think ourselves to be. (We got problems, but Starlight represents out best and Homelander represents our worst, and of course neither is allowed to win until the show is cancelled and they can finally end the main plot)

I will take any comparison to Giancarlo Esposito as the honor of my life

I was just thinking of that too watching this video! I think the parallel storylines have an effect of reinforcing one another - by recognizing the progression of one character it becomes easier to recognize a similar progression in another. On one hand it seems to work as a bit of shorthand in order to get the audience to subconsciously accept the changes in each character (i.e. since I’ve already seen The Deep’s quest for affection and acceptance, it’s primed me to accept HL’s quest for affection and acceptance without me even realizing it). It also seems to draw a connection btwn HL and Deep - even though they’re apparently at opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of supe power level and status, on closer inspection they’re equally flawed, corruptible, and pathetic.

Also, no expert either, but I started thinking about Butcher. We saw Butcher, contrary to Homelander, spend time with his family a lot. His figurative family - the Boys and Mallory (obviously), but also his literal family - we met his drug dealing aunt, his dog, Becca, mom and dad and we found out that Hughie is pretty much the same as his deceased little brother. Butcher had all the emotional support he could ever ask for and at the end of the season he came out a better person. Homelander's own son preferred staying with Butcher, who he has spent about 5 minutes with, as opposed to his biological father.