I know this is the wrong video to put this comment on but I wanted to ask you to do a video request and I didnt want to forget it later so I went to your most recent video but... Halo Spartan vs Section 8 Prejudice soldier? Could you do this?

#AskEck what if palpatine had found the lost tribe of the sith on kesh

#AskEck canon states that the New Republic had captured 2 Executor-class dreadnougths. What do you think the New Republic did with them? Use them in their fleet, or scrap them for parts?

currently listening to Heir to the Empire. Epic book, and Palleon is one of my favorite characters.

Is the audio book of it worth it. Thanks

Arhaam Haque he is the sly marbo of starwars

@Darth Revan I don't know I think he's a good candidate for being the new Creed, only because the Tactical Genius memes would be glorious.

And he didn't even need the TIE fighter.

Grand Admiral Thrawn was the MacGyver of the Star Wars universe. All he needed was a Swiss army knife and a single stick of dynamite, while any other Imperial Admiral would need twenty Star Destroyers with hangers filled to the brim with TIE Defenders and Bombers.

Honestly a heavily modified ISD like the Chimaera should be able to take on four Assault Frigates with relative ease. The Chimaera also has more fighters than 'normal' ISDs so as annoying as this Thrawn circle jerk is this battle is not that unrealistic.

Fractured Frame he has an entire race to protect so yes, he is driven and cunning.

Yet he got yeeted out of reality by some fuckin space squids...

Except that one time he got stabbed by his body guard.

@@alexknj1 deadass

Ain't that the truth! That's why, I am reading both Legends and Canon Thrawn book trilogies to study all I can, even the little nuances. Want to learn more about Thrawn, think like him.

Thren Admiro

oh no it's u again

And not by plot armor

Hiii

@@avocadosaregud6508 i can never forget those eyes eyes eyes, e-e-eyes

@Ivan Chernyshev never heard of escape pods? Good for droids and Grand Admirals alike

@@ventrilo0666 His ship was fine

@Ivan Chernyshev - /thread

Thrawn is good, but I doubt he'd be able to ram 4 frigates at once with a single SD.

Thrawn would not have needed hyperspace ramming. However, any one of the *opposing* ships could have easily defeated him if they wanted to.

In other words, learn the enemy's tactics AND psychology. you will know where the enemy will walk before he does.

It came from Sun Tzu. "Know your enemy and yourself and you will win all battles"

really, the way he conducted this battle isn't genius at all: he made a fairly baseless assumption, based on nothing but the enemy commander's species (which he also didn't have direct confirmation of, it was really just an educated guess), executed a very basic maneuver (margsabl), followed by another basic maneuver (flanking). and that's it. it's just basic maneuvers and a pretty stupid assumption

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer

Oftentimes it’s not how complex the maneuver is, it’s the execution and f it.

LMAOOO

Give me 100,000 subscribers, I want a check mark he would have if it wasn’t for rukh

I was less thrilled when they retconned the maneuver as having been invented by Asokha

And then in canon thrawn, Padme tells Thrawn about this strat. "General Skywalker said he'd be a one-man Marg Sabl. What did he mean?" "Oh. It's a battle tactic invented by his former Padawan apprentice. A warship turns its hangar bay away from its attacker and launches its fighters unseen. They stay in the ship's visual shadow while they form up and accelerate to attack speed. Then they come around their ship from all sides, attacking the enemy from every direction at once." "Interesting. I can see how that could be useful against certain species."

weldonwin that was the best part though

@@weldonwin Marg Sabl was a pre-existing move, Thrawn just knew when to use it.

Nah they had it the opposite way, where the bridge was protected

I think there's just the slightest bit of Captain Hook in there too. In the respect he has for his enemies. I love it lol

@@AugustTheStag indeed!

I think Napoleon is in this too

ironic, since all of these figures ended up losing, dying, or both in the end.

@@christopherbravo1813 Ah yes because we have had *immortal* Generals in the past. Like Julius Caesar and George Washington!

A very creative tactic indeed.

Or the hanger was on the Dorsal side, like the Venator. Actually, didn't Ahsoka do essentially a modified Marg Sabl in the Ryloth arc of TCW?

@@CABRALFAN27 In fact she did.

In the new canon Ashoka is actually the one who created the marg sabl, named it, and taught it to Anakin, whom Thrawn learned it from.

@@isaacfesmire1465 Yeah, forgot that. But it was Thrawn's idea in Legends, I think.

Thrawn vs Sherlock with Magnussen and John watching on the sidelines would be f hilarious and amazing oml

really, the way he conducted this battle isn't genius at all: he made a fairly baseless assumption, based on nothing but the enemy commander's species (which he also didn't have direct confirmation of, it was really just an educated guess), executed a very basic maneuver (margsabl), followed by another basic maneuver (flanking). and that's it. it's just basic maneuvers and a pretty stupid assumption

nice little 3rd grade interpretation of a comic book, really insightful

@@anb8946 Nice random insult on a two year old comment. Real mature.

@@heavyarms55 man if u didn't want to be insulted don't put stupid shit on the internet

@@anb8946 Lol okay wow dude. You should really take your own advice. Are you that lonely that you need to pick a fight with someone over a comment from 2 years ago? That's pretty pathetic. Hope your life gets a little better. There's got to be better things to waste your time on.

lol

space whales....

It will most likely be something underwhelming as was his story so far under Disney, compared to his true EU story!

@@dimenzed I have to agree. I liked seeing Thrawn, but the Disney canon version doesn't match up to the original

@@teddyfresh9605 I will not get that image out of my mind now -_-

He would be too damn powerful if he was Force sensitive!

"Hes too dangerous to be left alive"

Palpatine would try and kill him

@@zephsuki and fail miserably

Wouldn't that be Darth Revan with slightly better tactical abilities?

You noticed that too?

I was just thinking that but if anything the clone wars copied heir to the empire since it came first

Khalduras yes but remember that the Venator class Star destroyers had the main hanger opening on the top along with the bridge (fighters never launched from the bottom docking bay of that version) so considering the design it worked out.

@@joby-wankenobinolan3428 Filoni mentioned that: it was a homage since he himself is a fan of the Thrawn thrilogy.

More like created through thrawn, retconned for Ashoka. Because remember, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.

I woulda called it the Tano Maneuver but Marg Sabl works since It relates to Ahsoka's planet

Disney just isn't capable of making threatening villains. Either it's because the villain is in a kid's show, or its a female hero so having her lose would make her weak (unless that villain dies a few minutes later.) They've more or less made Vader much less threatening because of how many times he loses in comics and stuff. Then you have legends villains. What makes these villains so good is that they are a real threat, so you actually care about the heroes, and it is actually possible for them to fail. Ironically making the villain stronger and the hero weaker makes them better characters.

Disney Thrawn is honestly quite cool in my opinion. But, of course, this is the Star Wars fandom, so I’m not allowed to think positively of Disney or have an opinion at all.

Thrawn was pissed, because this loss meant the end of the TIE-Defender programm. The Emperor was unwilling to give him more recources, because Tarkin and Krennic bitched about the Death Star. So it is totally understandable, that Thrawn was pissed.

@@ezioauditore2848 In legends Thrawn has multiple plans ruined by other people, but isn't phased by it in the slightest, and is often able to twist it to his own benefit. This has the effect of making him much more impressive as a character. It shows that as a strategist he isn't prone to letting his emotions get in his way, and he is fully capable of recovering from what seems like a devastating defeat (keep in mind Legends Thrawn appeared when the Rebellion was the dominant force.) That isn't to say he didn't have reason to be upset in the canon scenario, it just makes him seem weaker as a character, which in turn weakens the impact of any victory the heroes earn or any threat he presents.

There is an extremely valid reason for why Thrawn seems weaker in the new canon: He’s the protagonist. Thrawn in the legends was always the villain, so by making him unstoppable, he was made to be more threatening. But in the new books he is the protagonist and if he kept winning constantly he would be a boring character. As for his representation in rebels, the show was intended for kids. While clone wars ended up being a more mature show, rebels started off directed towards a younger audience. And unlike clone wars when Rebels approached the line between kids show and a more mature show, Rebels stuck on the “kids show” side. This is why the enemies where played down, because they didn’t want to cross the line. I personally have decided to go into the new canon with an open mind. While I will be the first to admit it’s not perfect, nothing is. Could Disney do better? Yes. Is everything New Trash? No. There are plenty of people like Dave film I and Timothy Zahn who love what they do and want to make Star Wars awesome, and as long as There are people like them who still care, there will continue to be quality content put out for us. Also, it wasn’t just “one fuel depot” It was the ONLY FUEL DEPOT NEAR THE FACTORY. And without it Thrawn’s defender project would fail. The project that Thrawn knew would save the empire would fail. Thrawn had good reason to be annoyed. Sorry for the long comment, I’ve just got no friends who like the eu so I can’t really discuss this with anyone... May the force be with you all!

the alien commander only destroyed one tie fighter not all three nor did he order any fleet maneuvers. just shot at one tie. that isn't something a human commander or many species would do when faced with a small sentry force heading their way. a human commander may think the three sentry ships are part of some feint and order the ships in the fleet to manuever or just move to kill with overwhelming force on the three then advance full speed to attack the star destroyer.

To Thrawn's credit, it does seem there are only a few races with a history of void combat in Star Wars. Looking for tactical patterns in that smaller pool does make life easier

You're thinking in 2D terms. This is the facts as we know them. Facts: 1) the rebel commander's response revealed him. 2) His species is recently uplifted, with a history of finding glory in cavalry action. 3) this commander was stated to have a problem with chaotic action and thinking in 3D. Educated guess: rebel commander came out of hyperspace with his fighters forward in a careful V formation (or similar cavalry formation from his homeworld), a clear cavalry analog, very pretty, and with minimal 'vertical' dispersion. Thrawn notes this. He sends in a picket from an oblique trajectory. Closer to a fighter group in the middle in absolute terms, closer to the edge if the enemy commander is using a 2D representation and thinking only in 2D. Enemy commander responds in 2D.

@@Lightwolf_VR, that's an interesting way to put it. I guess I was thinking more 2D than 3D. Makes sense. But I still think that it's a bit much trying to work out what species your opponent is based on their first move. You could guess what kind of commander your opponent is (aggressive, cautious, defensive, 2 dimensional) based on their response and formation, but using that to work out a species is a bit much. Maybe the guy likes western films and got his V formation from watching John Wayne films that rather than it being culturally engrained because of his race. But who cares if Thrawn got the race right? He got the tactics of the guy perfectly nailed and Thrawn still whooped their hides.

@@samspeed6271 There's definitely an element of a Sherlock scan to it. On some level, we're meant to believe the logical jumps made because it's Sherlock (or Thrawn) making them, trusting that it makes sense to the character. But on a meta level we don't have enough sentient species to compare to know if it'd work. Maybe it was a cavalry formation famous among the species? Maybe it was in the lines (humans prefer diamond or linear patters, maybe this species likes to organize differently?) But you're right. To my memory, we're never actually told if Thrawn was right that it was that species. But whatever the case, the rebel commander thought like one, and that was the important bit.

At this point the Empire had outfitted The Interceptors with shields, but that still would have been a tough fight.

Yeah and his art and three (Possibly unmanned?) sentry ships getting destroyed letting him figure out the enemy's tactic was a bit much. (Though i will defend his sherlock move with the Falcon Lady Luck docking to the death.)

Thrawn gets the most powerful upgrade, plot armor. Seems only fair, the Empire has been sadly lacking for the most part.

Part of the problem is that the military actions themselves are kept kinda vague in a lot the books and there’s no way to know if the author considered a ‘wing’ of x-wings to be as many ships as Eck said. Thrawns moves are pretty easy to consider either asspulls or brilliance when it’s not clear just what, precisely, the forces available are.

@@zygo0 It could possibly be Wing Pairs of X-Wings rather than three-squad rebel Wings, since normally Assault frigates carry no fighters, or parasite fighters at best.

wait, they seriously gave Ahsoka credit for the Marg Sabl?

@@christopherbravo1813 in canon, yeah that did

@@dillondude1254 that's dumb!

@@christopherbravo1813 i think it's cool that they added it at all

@@dillondude1254 hm, it is a good reference, true...

@Eye Above All yeah you can't lol

If anything, it works better with a Venator

If he merely performed, the music would have been useless to Thrawn. Rather, it was because Savin was not only a performer, but also a composer and conductor.

Karl Rovey true. The reason I didn’t get that deep into it was my comment was already rather wordy. But you are correct. “Normally, of course, music is useless to me... there is too much interpretation in performance and direction, too many variables creating uncertainty and bias and all but eliminating focus.” “But he doesn’t just compose music, he also plays, and conducts it!” “Indeed, assistant director. Moreover, He has done so in public, where both visual and auditory recordings have been made.”

Is this Disney or legends?

Nathaniel Rourke technically Disney. It’s from the last boom of Timothy Zahns new Thrawn Trilogy (which I’m not going to lie, I personally like this trilogy better than the legends trilogy. I love Thrawn, and having this trilogy focused almost completely on him (as in not jumping around between Leia, Luke, Mara Jade ect. Like in the old trilogy) and seeing more of him in actual battle against an enemy, not just directing forces in the background.

@@speed150mph to each his own, I preferred the modern leader take from the original.

Would he even endure the Taus philosophy?

JASOE the All-seeing Omnipresent Eye not for long

A logical mind like Thrawn would surely best any other Logical enemy in any other universe. But when faced with an enemy who defies all logic and sound strategy what is one to do?

@@inquisitionagent9052 Xeelee stomp.

Arhaam Haque by making his own logic that can’t be disimulated.

No, Ahsoka did.

Oh yeah forgot sorry 🤷🏼‍♂️😂

Thrawn conquers the entire galaxy while on the toilet using a toothbrush and some shampoo

The First Order: *builds Starkiller base* Thrawn: "What a lovely gift!" *somehow hijacks the Starkiller base full of FO assets for himself with a squadron of TIE Fighters and a platoon of few soldiers* If only Thrawn is present during those days. Well, a kid can dream. 😐

Empire of the Hand rules all.

@Trey Stephens I never said it did.

Sort of, her maneuver was a two part, on one hand it was meant to protect the resolute from the incoming fire of the separatist frigates and cover the bombers as they launched to ambush the clankers

It was kinda copied From Heir to the Empire in TCW

@@approcolli8478 "kinda"

One HP Warrior yeah

@Trey Stephens Heir to the Empire

Alex Arriaga I would like to see that

that only works if every single culture HAS psychological rigidities. Most good commanders are quite flexible and cant reliably be counted on to always try the same tactic. Even if you knew everything there was to know about, say, german culture, human psychology, and everything else you still wouldnt be able to reliably predict every single tactic the germans might use

@@lenkagamine4145 While this is true, finding out what ingrained psychological rigidities there are in a particular culture makes it easier to find a weakness somewhere in that culture. This makes it possible to turn that into a tactical exploit. Because you brought up German culture I'll cite a tactic used during the second world war by allied forces that exploited a cultural rigidity amongst the Germans. Germans at the time were a very hygienic culture and they didn't like any kind of dirtiness or smelliness, so allied forces would go long periods of time without bathing. Often this lead to allied soldiers that were captured in small groups to be sent back to their side immediately because the German soldiers simply didn't want to have to carry a stinky trooper to be processed as a prisoner of war. This led to that single stinky trooper to go back to the allied lines carrying information on German positions back to their leaders. Gives a whole new meaning to the term "Dirty Tactics". It's a perfect example of a cultural rigidity being used to an advantage by the opposing side. TL;DR It's not about predicting their tactics, it's about exploiting weaknesses in their tactics.

Well, he isn't evil, I mean, he's just on the villain's side but isn't a bad person himself

Well how would you define evil in this case? He was actively trying to kill rebel/new republic forces to prop up an Empire that (previously) had Palpatine and Vader at its head, and liked to commit its resources to build planet killing weapons and enslaving native populations. I don't think he did evil for evil's sake, however he was very cold blooded and calculating and would not shy away from doing whatever he saw as necessary to succeed. The question of the right and wrong of his actions would, I think, be quite irrelevant to him, only the efficiency mattered, making him amoral at best. Still an interesting and compelling character.

Welcome to the Thrawn Fanboy Circle Jerk :)

You have to remember that in Legends Thrawn was aware of the threat of the Far Outsiders (ie the Vong). He sided with the Empire due to its Military Strength and it being a dictatorship. He was trying to preserve the Empire since those qualities would give the galaxy best chance to defeat the Vong.

@@youtubestayatyourrootsforfsake Given via retcon the actual commander who defied Thrawn's tricks survived, when Thrawn said he "Destroyed their world" (A kaleesh colony world led by an adopted "Kaleesh" starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Bentilais_san_Sk%27ar ) Thrawn may have just Ion bombarded the world back to the stone age. And the New Republic did exactly that to the Yevethan homeworld years later.

too soon

An A wing took down a Super Star Destroyer so I think 100 X-wings are a pretty serious deal when combined with 4 cruisers.

RikkiTikkiTavi Fair Point

Actually, that is good point also we are very different than the New Republic if Earth was in Star Wars, if Earth was in Star Wars, we probably be an tourism and military training for the Empire.