The problem is not the second quote, they can adapt the story at some level. The problem is bad story, bad acting, bad directiors... Thats a problem.

Go to a used book store and read the books dude, you'll love it, and further advance your opinions

Who said the second quote?

It could be likened to ISIS destroying Palmyra. A group whose intention is to cover up the past and promote their own worldview leaving future generations with a distorted history.

@@carveorpawley4406 Or the people who felt the need to shoot the nose off the Sphinx, burn the Library of Alexandria, or break the penises off ancient Roman statues. Or you know, people in the West today tearing down statues of historic figures they have no clue about. Preservation is meaningless to all these people.

The irony is majority of these woke people don’t even care for the material or will even watch it. So these creators end up alienating their true die hard fans to cater to a group of people that don’t even watch the shit in the first place.

There's an argument to be made about how this heavy push for remakes and adaptations has left new talents starved of making new projects, you almost never get to see something new that isn't based on some old story, and while thus has always been standard with films based on books, directors and studios were allowed to really do whatever the fuck they wanted, which is frustrating for fans but did allow fir some of the greatest movies ever made, like Kubrick's works, but nowadays due to everyone bashing on adaptations that take liberties and expects faithful adaptations, studios feel the pressure to keep them somewhat the same or at least the general gist of them, this obviously restricts creatives who struggle to get their ideas out and have to work on adaptations as there are so goddammit many, so the compromise seems to be sacrifing the faithfulness of these adaptations to let writers and such finally have a chance to make something that represents them while also cashing on the franchises studios want to milk. This obviously creates an identity issue in the project that hinders the final product, as it can't differ to the point of becoming it's own thing, and the staff gets filled with writers who feel trapped in these old series they really couldn't give less of a shot about, but also can't be a one to one adaptation because studios don't care getting people who actually know about the source material, opting instead to hire whoever to make it as fast as possible, not justifying bad entertainment, but you have to feel bad for the people who can't get their vision and world view out without attaching themselves to someone completely different, our society has changed so much yet we rarely get to rapresent it, and are instead tightly tied to the past, but because copyrights last a hundred fucking years studios have centuries to milk their franchises before having to come up with anything new, so bad adaptations of old media are here to stay while new stuff doesnt get a chance to even be made.

@@ginogatash4030 It does actually sound like you're making excuses. LotR was an established work and Peter Jackson brought it to life as faithfully as he was able. It was loved and probably will be for generations. Whereas The Wheel of Time and The Witcher, which haven't been adapted to live action before, already suffers from contemporary politics. Three highly successful and beloved sequel series sprung up from Star Trek TOS in the 80's and 90's without being bogged down with wokeism. Even Enterprise is an example of somewhat successfully switching up the formula without being unfaithful. Yet STD and PIC are trash that don't even try to maintain the spirit of Star Trek. It's just generic sci-fi with a Star Trek skin suit. Same with Star Wars. So the problem is not that creators are incapable of making faithful adaptations or sequels that can still tell a fresh new story with fresh new actors, the problem is corporate execs and Twitterati won't allow fresh new creators from doing so. There are too many generic or asinine checkboxes that the story must conform to now that are in no way related to any established material, but entirely formed from contemporary politics, a one sided view of them to boot.

If they weren’t making money, they wouldn’t do it.

@@emhu2594 they do lose money most of the time.

@@emhu2594 Ask Uwe Boll how hard it is to actually lose money in film when you're connected.

@Clifford V The culture critics are not the paying customer.

ie: social engineering, which I personally believe is the most egregious thing that any human can do to another.

What do you mean by that?

In his quotations search it up its a funny ass meme and starting comment is 100% true f*ck the woke garbage amazon in putting out.

@@the_j_machine2254 People that know nothing about franchise, trying to appeal to fans by acting like they understand franchise, ignoring the canon

@@spicydong317 ah, like adding elements for the sake of politics, elements that existed outside of the canon, and just adding them for their own _depraved_ agenda.

@@the_j_machine2254 No, as in people who are completely out-of-touch trying to make something for people they don't understand. Not necessarily by adding in politics or any other agenda (which is most likely not depraved).

These guys just keep pumping money into it thinking it will solve everything, it’s hilarious seeing them slowly loose their minds over the backlash while desperately trying to cover it up

Hahaha. Remember what Jackson did to Faramir?

@@reek4062 To adapt most book stories into film you have to make changes. In Faramirs case it couldve been handled better, sure but it is nothing compared to the character butchering in RoP.

And nowadays, all these "reboots" and adaptations are created by people who not only haven't read the source material, but are typically proud of that fact (eg. Abrams with Star Trek, the corporate drones that did the Halo series, etc)

Then why was The Hobbit such a piece of shit? note: YouPuke tried to censor this comment.

who's that from ? i'm definitly gonna steal that XD

Freaking pigeons....

@@nicolasgamant7389 can't be certain tbh. Think I heard Just Some Guy say it. I'm not claiming it as my own!

@@mattt2277 well it's a good one anyway :) i'll sure re-use that one

@@mattt2277 Haha. ''Just Some Guy'' may have said it.. therefore, it could technically be from anybody!! Let's just file it under ''Public Domain - Fair Use''.

What can man do against such reckless hate?

@@christophersanders3252 Ride out with me! Ride out with me and we take them head on! Let the horn of helm hammerhand sound in the deep! One LAST TIME!!!"

@@jimmyshady7205 Let this be the hour when we draw swords together. Fell deeds awake. Now for wrath, now for ruin, and the red dawn!

@@christophersanders3252 FORTHHHH EORLINGASSS!!!!!

" I will cut off your head dwarf, if you stood a little higher from the ground"

shiiit im white as an a4 page and i would genuinely be excited to see it! dude that hobbit line is perfect! "we'd love to eat"🤣 duuuude same! "what about elevensies? Second breakfast? Afternoon tea?" *gets tossed an apple* 🤣🤣

Bro same! I don't care about all that because the elves always looked badass to me and there I was, a little chubby Mexican kid thinking I was an elf 😂

I'm Indian and I related to Eowyn's character and insecurities

You'd probably get people screeching to the high heavens about cultural appropriation.

I would absolutely watch that!

“Everything Woke turns to shit” -Donald Trump.

Especially if that news reporter happens to also be based out of New York and is friends with 4 anthropomophic turtles who are in their teens and study ninjutsu, and their anthropomorphic rat teacher and father figure. You're gonna alienate both fan bases, because to one, it's not Batman anymore, and to the other, it's not OUR yellow wearing TV news reporter. A well made crossover, eg, the turtles meet Batman or something can work very well if done very well.

@@lawrencetalbot8346 Definitely. That's because the Critical Race Theory crowd cannot create, only destroy or corrupt.

Is that a genuine quote? I'm asking because Gaiman is famous for the most pervasive reinventing of a comics character ever, taking Sandman out of Metropolis or whatever and making him one with current culture. And it was very successful.

@@lawrencetalbot8346 It's tempting to say that he should know, since he has had a long and solid career of turning things to shit. But he's wrong. "Woke" is what the American Dream used to be: you can be anything that you set your mind to be.

Honestly I think both approaches are valid IF you're actually being artistic. Fantasy definitely can be used to say things about this world, even if it isn't the most popular approach. I don't think much that comes from Amazon is gonna have an artistic bone in its body, though, I never would have any expectations for either method being done well.

@@cheesi For sure, to say there aren't political undertones in say Lord of The Rings wouldn't be fair to say. But I think the line that can be crossed is brought into question when those messages and themes are tampered with. If you're making an adaptation and you mess up the themes regardless of how well received it is.. it's still considered a "poor" adaptation. Which is what many are fearing with Amazons venture, sure there is always room for new stories with their own themes.. but even with that there is still and established Lore of a worlds culture and of specific characters, and it's when that is tampered with that the artistic bone is irrelevant sadly.

@@bigbro6446 Yeah, there's definitely a distinction between adaptation (trying to recreate something) and appropriation (taking something and changing it pretty wildly, often either directly or indirectly criticising smething about the original without necessarily being nasty about it). I wouldn't say one is better than the other as a rule, but if you're doing Lord of the Rings with a huge budget and everything... yeah, I'd just play it safe and give people what they want. It's not every day something like this happens, sweeping changes to fit modern sensibilities just sound too risky.

@cheesilad I don't think they do it to be artistic. I think they sit in a boardroom and spend time checking off demographic boxes. They want their audience to be as large as possible. Amazon cares about money. They don't care about diversity or writing a good story.

@@cheesi thank you both for having such a cordial disposition and intelligently discussing the issues at play with this show (which are striking and obvious IMO and are the exact same issues many other "modern" versions of classic IPs have been facing in the 2010s/2020s). By my reckoning, fantasy stories are meant to be escapist, inclusive, ch

Can not even begin to say how much I agree with your sentiment.

This series will be one of the greatest financial disasters is TV show history after all thr revelations how the show Rings of Power completely destroys the source material. It is an absolute abomination.

Only think I disagree with that you said is "new entry to the franchise" since it doesn't not even qualify. Sadly. But all points are 100% correct.

The activists sure AF aren't tired Neither are the companies or their idiot CEOs.

Yeah... I honestly watched LOtR so many times that I know it by heart but I can't even bring myself to watch the series... I feel I'd ruin it all, the memories. Plus I saw the trailers and don't agree with its world lol

And the last fandom that shouldn't get corrupted.

@@jakomioftherose2434 the hearts of men are easily corrupted and The Rings of Power was allowed to endure under the watchful eye of Jeff Bezos

@@jakomioftherose2434 and quite literally the last alliance of elves and men

Not at all. Any ACTUAL Tolkien fans hated Jacksons movies because they took the heart out of hte books. They took out the religion, the importance of music, they didn't even have Tom Bombadil and axed the ending with Saruman. Anybody that says they liked LOTR certainly can't be taken seriously as any kind of guardian of Tolkiens vision. This new show at least is the second age where we have virtually NO dialogue of Tolkiens to get re written and only a vague idea of what went on. Thats unlike LOTR or that even worse bastardization that became The Hobbit.

@@jakomioftherose2434 Aren't you all so precious.

A lot of them have probably been brainwashed to believe you can't enjoy a story if the characters are not the same race, sexuality, and class as you so they think by making everything diverse it actually makes the story better.

This!

Peter Jackson changed the story in significant ways, changed characters completely, added his own fluff and ripped out thematically critical episodes in the story. Jackson trusted in the story, but only so far as it agreed with the story he wanted to tell.

@@cammoblammo Considering what we got was 12 hours long I think everything he removed was necessary for it to work as a movie. You can't have Tom Bombadil and you can't have the scouring of the shire, because they completely break the format of a movie. Starting an entire new story arc in the last half hour of the final movie after the big bad is dead just doesn't work, and Tom Bombadil does nothing to advance the actual story, he is just an aside in an already very long movie. When you remove those elements it's a snowball and you have to rework a lot of other details. Gimley? He was funny, and he could still be taken seriously.

What's WoT

Beautiful.

@Randell -

you added two lines to a comment thats been going viral since before the show dropped. Even comments are not safe from amazons rewriting staff.

Wow this whole comment has more poetic value than the dialogues in the show 😅

brilliant

Yes. I also feel the same about the Infinity Saga of the MCU. Sure, some of the weird identity politics started creeping in a little before the end, but for the most part it’s a series that is loyal to the source material, males are allowed to be heroes, etc. They would never make Captain America today the way we got him originally. They would screw it up completely if they were starting now.

He (or they) was the right man at the right place and the right time!

@@scubasteve2189 Dude, Captain America mentions how there is "only one God" in the first avengers movie. When I was rewatching it I was thought the same thing, theyd never let him be like that today.

@@Peter-ff1tp, the second trilogy was a “studio project” rather than s passion project for Jackson. He initially refused to direct it, was later lured into it by a heft paycheck, and so we got what we got.

@@hungryninja123 That is a bit reaching

And is not why we watch fantasy. How did they get us so wrong ?

Also...what she meant was "what I think/want the world to look like". Plus, what does "the world look like?" Does the world look the same for everyone...does a kid in Japan see the same world as an old woman in Uganda?

@@Bones12x2 yeah, I think it's definitely more of a should look like/want it to look like. Never been a fan of LOTR but I love plenty of movies which were badly remade and it's never bothered me. To be honest, I think some fans get too worked up about certain properties.

@@jannguerrero I wonder how much that really came from the makers of the series though. It could have been studio mandated. Amazon may have told them that they needed a more diverse cast. Maybe I'm wrong.

@@patrickdoherty4527 Because changing things to disrespect and dishonor the authors vision and legacy make people mad. Sorry, that's what Hollywood does, and they do it on purpose because they hate the fan bases of those properties they wreck, because those fan bases don't 'think right' according to Hollywood folk.

A 'dark age' - couldn't have put it any better!

It's time to end the concept of intellectual property. It's served society up to now, but now it's just sacrificing quality ideas on the altar of corporate greed and political correctness.

What else are you referring to other than LOTR?

@@robbieskids9159 Everything. At this point, almost all 'franchise' films are made by Disney, and if not then are still just assembly-line products made by committee. Very few mainstream films have the mark of a filmmaker's vision any more. We see mostly rehashes of old stories, remakes, sequels, prequels, etc. The best work is nearly all being done in the low-mid budget range, and it's debatable whether films from the US are even on the same quality level as those from many countries with much smaller industries. In short, to see a good movie today you almost have to look at indie film, foreign film, and classic film. Mainstream is increasingly agenda-driven and soulless.

hah 'soulless committee-made' moving pictures, so true. this series seems hollow/empty so far, a string of static images, and very little brave storytelling about interpersonal relationships and challenges

It's not an explanation, it's a description.

Its a culture war impact, jack ass Obama started the snow ball with his 8 years of power. If he only had 4 we would still have our American culture under control. His terms put us into a recession and got nothing done but, gave everybody shit for free. When ever i hear people defend Obama and give credit to him (instead) of the soldiers and military experts for the death of bin laden it makes me wanna slap the f*ck outta them.

everything creative is getting remade.

Unmade more like it

Less watching Jordan Peterson mate. It kills your brain.

and who says the story isnt good. people are bitching before even watching the fucking show which is stupid

why do we need to put propaganda into movies and tv shows like nazis did back then?

that is not what this video is about

I watched the trailer yesterday and today I don't remember anything from it. (Although as he said we can grant some leeway by acknowledging that it was just an early teaser trailer. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was already signaling the problem he mentioned.)

@@SmokeyEdits you havent watched the video then!

The sad part is in games and movies this is the perfect series, already completely built up and thought out with everything needed to make a great series and it goes unused for so long only to be changed and ruined

Apparently they don't have the rights to the Silmarillion which is (part) of the reason they are minimzing Tolkien and puffing themselves up.

It's like someone saying "I can improve classics. Let's make Beethoven's 9th or the Mona Lisa more modern". It's dumb, pointless and even dangerous.

@@artbargra i would argue that if you want the classics then go to the classics. Why bother looking at something new and wanting it to be exactly like something old? Just for a modern example, how many different versions of Batman we have on film and TV and comics already. Which is equal to the original comic? Who cares! Enjoy them for what they are. They are not republishing Tolkien’s books under his name and saying the old no longer exists. It is still there for you to buy and read.

There's a difference between asking for it to be exactly like the source and asking for them to not remake the lore for a world which they are stepping into.

Totally agree! It always feels like a great conversation.

Sean from Hot Wings is the best interviewer on the planet.

This woman makes the right questions!! Not like those activists that works at the Magazine editorial.

She is awesome

I agree. Who is she?

Ironic, since King hated Kubrick's adaptation for making huge changes in the original story. And yet, The Shining is considered a masterpiece in cinema history. What it's important here is that if you are going to adapt and change some things, at least put some effort to make them good, and not because you want to fulfill your inclusion quota.

@@JulioLenin88 TY for the comment. True, that was my point. I know the movie was different than the book , but so were the LOTR books vs. movies, but both movies were masterpieces (and yes some scenes could of been done differently) even though they were somewhat different. They conveyed the feeling of the book successfully. I hope this adaptation doesn't go astray. I just do not know if these guys have the ability and vision to do Tolkien justice. Amazon says they do, but we will see.

@@JulioLenin88 agreed. I don't think this is a very apt comparison. LOTR spans centuries of time. The journey in this book series is one of epic proportions. The shining is very much not any of that. It is only a few months of time, it is very individualistic, only concerning itself with one family and really just one member of the family primarily. The movie didn't represent the book well at all and added a bunch of stuff not in the original book. Regardless of how you feel about Stanley Kubricks movie it is not a faithful adaptation as you are stating in your comment. As someone who loved the book I didn't feel the movie captured the spirit of book well and neither did the author of the book.

Speak truth to power. Or act like iPhone lefties…scream and break things.

A famous critic at the time Tolkien’s books were released, said that every time he turned a page, he’d think “Oh cr@p, not another f**king dwarf!”

Great thoughtful comment!

This is so well put. Thank you for summing up all of the things going on and going wrong with big corporations capitalizing on great authors and the storied worlds they created. It's just about money and personal intentions.

Kind of tired of reading how actors and "new fans" believe the story REALLY went. People reinventing and truly demoting greatness to satisfy their warped world view. The new creations approach abomination at times. I have seen direct quotes of Tolkien saying he did not trust anyone with his story, and under no condition was it ever to be stuffed with filler. No one plans to die, but he should have been even more explicit. Saying anything after his last inked punctuation while alive is an attack on the original story.

Best comment here.

Damn, Bret, you spelled it out so well and just was thinking what I was feeling and have been when it comes to this kind of stuff in media lately, especially for things with established fanbases like we got with Middle-Earth, Star Trek, etc., as well as comic books and such.

It seems counter intuitive, but I can only imagine their intention is to capture new fans?? People who haven't read the books and were too young to care when the LOTR films came out?

The same thing happened in politics, on both "sides," if to varying degrees. If you, the voter, aren't on board with what a party's program is doing 150%, or worse, you prefer the other party's program.... well, let the name-calling and demonization commence. Substandard product indeed - I love it!

@@lemonblue6282 Hollywood is after creating the casual fanbase with disposabl income far more than catering to any actual stingy fanbase which is harder to please.

@@commandercaptain4664 Sadly that seems to be the case.

@Salt Meister Hollywood is seeking the "Prequels Effect". Is in the Star Wars Prequels. Stars Wars fanbase is very split on the prequels and it is clearly divided between New and Old Fans. The old fans think it is trash because they compare it to the original but the New Fans are often people that saw the Prequels as Children so to them it will always be kind of awesome. They pretty much become life-long fans that way. If you can capture the child's mind you have a customer for life.

So basically be as close as possible and if you need to change stuff do it in a way that the original author would've done it.

Christopher Tolkien, if he can be accepted as partial stand in for his father, never seemed at all pleased. And I've never quite understood why not. Perhaps just disdain for the film medium itself is the root of it, and that can't be helped. I'd love to have seen Jackson tackle all the events of the Silmarillion properly. IF he overdid the Hobbit, his LOTR trilogy still stands as a masterpiece of respectful adaptation even if one can find objections. I don't think there will be any adaptation of anything quite as authentic or independently great again. Unless a good adaptation of poor recent material.

@@thatoneantoid51 or if possible hire the author to screenwrite the movie, example: the godfather trilogy

Changing up is no problem....if your smart.....the thing is...recently...they are not

@@randomobserver8168 I obviously don't know Christopher Tolkien's mind, but I know that I still can't stand that trilogy _as a LotR adaptation._ They're amazing fantasy movies, no question there, but they _have_ changed a few too many things. Leaving aside the nitpicky stuff like orcs/goblins just being able to climb sheer walls/pillars _very_ quickly in Moria (which simply shows the Peter Jackson "zombie movie" handprint) and later needing ladders to climb and explosives to tear down walls, there's "movie stuff" like the Nazgul becoming really threatening far too quickly (in the books, they're more a looming threat on the horizon, coming a little bit closer with every encounter, but in the movies, even the first encounter on the road gets one within touching distance for f*cks sake!). But my biggest gripe is still Frodo's main motivation for sparing Gollum. In the books, he pities him first and foremost. Gollum being able to show them a way to and into Mordor is more of an excuse towards Sam. In the movies, he's far more calculating. Sure, there is some pity, but _using_ Gollum to get into Mordor is indeed a main reason, if not the main one. Now, why were Bilbo and Frodo able to resist the Ring for so long? Because of their goodness. That pity that Frodo felt towards Gollum was _critical_ in his resistance. The Frodo from the movies would have been like Boromir - seeing the ring more and more as a tool to be used, just like Gollum, and he would have fallen much sooner. So, sorry, but _that_ change alone is both a character assassination as well as a critical change of the actual story. This is _not_ Tolkien's Frodo, this is Peter Jackson's Frodo, and he's inconsistent.

This is the first segment from a new interview we filmed this week. We have a lot more to share in the coming weeks.

He was great on Friday Night Tights on Nerdrotic.

He’s saying what everyone is thinking and it brings the culture together in a great way

"Everything Woke turns to pigshit!"

@@SirBlackReeds I guess, but I like him because I think his opinions are honestly his own, and aren't influenced by trends or the "correct" opinions. I can't stand The Last Jedi, but if he did rate it that way, I honestly believe that's his true opinion.

Well said damn. Going to steal it :D

Modern things become outdated, imagine that...

Though the principle is sound, I don't think black people are going to be a dated reference anytime soon.

Yea mainly cause everyone forgets about it right after they watch it

Almost all great films over the decades most definitely pull from creative elements of the modern zeitgeist of their era. There's nothing wrong with modernity as long as the core story being told is engaging and all story elements are being utilized to their full potential. For example, one of the things that makes The Terminator so great is that it most definitely has all the makings of a mid 80s film.

Almost as bad as Kevin Smith emasculating He-Man and "Masters of the Universe". Kevin might be half the man he used to be physically, but sadly he is as a filmmaker, too. We all make mistakes and I'll always love Kevin and appreciate him for the great films he's done. And, I'm so happy that he's alive after that close call a few years ago. He just made a calculated error by attacking the fans of He-Man because they rightly called him out on shoddy work.

@@Sweetish_Jeff_ I remember sitting in front of the tv watching He-Man as a kid. I was so excited to hear about the new version with Kevin Smith at the helm. I heard the rumblings on the internet and didn’t want to believe it. I saw one ep and was just resigned to the fact that it was the ultimate bait and switch, but on the bright side we still have the classic show.

I'm literally re reading the books on audio tape at work in preparation to completely ignore this new rings of Walmart grabage

Vote with your eyeballs. Fury means nothing if the ratings tell them to do it again

@@themilkybarkid8092 🤣🤣👏!!

Guyladriel!

@@wanderingsurf2842 To be fair, Galadriel is super athletic, tall and strong. But she's also a terrifying sorceress and brilliant tactician, so why the hell would she be leading a charge in battle?

@@eliteteamkiller319 lol they're turned the character into an impulsive entitled brat, probably reflective of the person playing the character

@@willc1294 She's supposed to be young and not yet as wise as she is in the far future. There's plenty of things to nitpick but this isn't one.

@@007bogossemre007 She's already about 3,000 years old even in the 2nd age lol Elves must be slow learners if several millennia isn't long enough to learn some wisdom 😆

They can't do that because the world they'd create would be complete nonsense that no one would pay to see. We'd end up with non-binary hobbits and pan sexual elves. Their sexual proclivities and gender identification would be carpet bombed throughout the movie for no discernable reason. It would add absolutely nothing to the plot or character development, but you'd surely know the zim from the zir.

Exactly. Its based in Anglo-Saxon/European and early British lore.... a little nprse perhaps thrown in there. But it's not meant to reflect our current sociopolitical climate. The thing that makes Tolkien's work so beloved is that it is a whole history with multiple cultures of it's own. And the people act as players in this world. And in doing so they create history. And the thing about history is that it rhymes, it echos, it repeats... it's full of human nature, the good and the bad and the ugly... and those themes are universal. Corruption, sacrifice, brotherhood, etc.

Also, people mock those who want to escape from reality through fiction. They miss the point, I don't want to see gender issues in middle earth, it takes me out of the illusion of being in a fake world.

That’s why they don’t have the rights to the 2nd age material, someone saw the garbage idea and said NO !

that quote was specifically in reference to their choice to cast people of color in the show. that’s what they mean by what the “world actually looks like.” if your version of escaping reality is having a world without people of color, you’re not a good person

Sadly, for me it was either the reveal that StarKiller base existed or Kylo having a temper-tantrum on the Comms console, whichever came first. That film is such a blurr of disappointment and heartbreak.

It wouldn't have been bad if it had had any set up or consequence - like, say, its role in her ultimate (on-screen parallel) demise, like a kind of "this is my Obi-Wan surrendering to Darth Vader" moment. Doing that could have easily elevated it to at least a SHADOW of the "greater-good sacrifice" that light Jedi can make. Would it have sucked? Yes, but it would have "prequel sucked." But we have little else to even establish Leia in the Force, more or less etablish her to be already at the same level of Luke, whose continuance in the Force, however hidden, is established or implied already in Ryan's clunky way. To me, Admiral Holdall My Call's Feminist beratements really started to push the series as a whole from Prequel equal to SJW garbage. Up until then, the movie at least carried enough questionable goodness to be on the level of TPM or AotC. Past then, through even the "big fight" with Luke and Ben, it was far worse than Jar Jar stepping on Banta poodoo on repeat for an hour on end. Star Wars jumped the shark after this scene: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bZ9zgdqknJe8nH0.html I - a 44 year old man who stood outside for the original Episodes V (which I don't remember doing) and VI (which I do remember, and loving) with my older brother, who stood outside all night with my D&D group for the rereleases of IV, V, and VI, and then for I, II and III, and then again for VII and VIII and even the not as bad, prequel level Rogue, who watched BOTH Clone Wars cartoons and crapped on the second until I fell in love with it somehow, who even watched some of the Disney cartoon sequels of the same, who spent COUNTLESS hours in video games and doing everything from playing Bounty Hunters and Dark Jedi in desktop campaigns to collecting lightsabers from some company that did them so well that they actually became the "official" non-toy light saber replicas, and that's not even a tenth of a tenth of the BIGGER fans but still quite enough to justify why it took me until 29 to get married, well - ... - let's just say I know about "Baby Yoda" (whatever his/her/zir's name is), the Darth Vader-Obi Wan second battle, the return of Ashoka, and THE ENTIRETY OF EPISODE IX, that Han Solo movie and so on, **only** from reviews from good folks like The Critical Drinker. That is because I do not, like the "other side" claims to do, tolerate other points of view if these points of view are a frightening mix of corporate power and, yes, Cultural Marxism (that is a real term far different from a Nazi conspiracy that vanished after WWII, and besides if it isn't that, then I steal the ability to redefine words for my own need for the sake of justice). An early child of that SJW-Corporate marriage was the horrible "universal health insurance" model that Obama left us with today. Whether you are a Libertarian for the full private market or are a Blue Dog (Conservative) Democrat who prefers the UHC model like I do, the socially "just" solution we got is an antisocial slice of neofascism that is far from "just," but nothing more than a monstrosity that changed both Big Hospital and Big Medicine into supercorporations that comped Public Health (a career I have worked years to help teach) and used the entire profession for not just corporate apologetics but for product promotion via elevating themselves as unelected government "experts" who had only the intent of putting their part of a gigantic boot smashed into a human face forever. As art, the same has happened here: once you see Oprah doing her awful acting in a movie or series, you know it is going to be another spike in that same boot, stamping once again on that same human face - your face, whether you adopt the thought behind it already or not.

@@pdstor political rants? Dude. Star Wars was always campy space opera. At least the old trilogy was fun. The real problem is the stagnant creativity (or lack thereof) in movies. From both producers and the audience

How It Should Have Ended, (on you tube) did a better job of making the Star wars movies than the writers, directors and producers did. They called out all the BS and filled it in with what would have made since to the original Star Wars trilogy.

I think it is actually possible if you dont hold your breath. You just have to be quick or else your blood starts to boil.

One of the key differences (for me at least) between my response to changes made by Peter Jackson and changes made by the Rings of Power is the stated reason for the changes. Usually, when Peter Jackson changed something, he did it with the strengths and weaknesses of his chosen medium in mind. Like, the lovely scene in the books between Gimli and Galadriel when she gives him some of her hair. In the book it's a beautiful little scene and very touching. For film, you want to preserve the sentiment of that moment and show Gimli's emotional response to Galadriel and to her gift to him, but you can't do that by playing out the scene as it happens in the book. It would look and feel weird and awkward. For Rings of Power, the creators COULD have put Harfoots in the Second Age because people who are unfamiliar with the written source material would probably expect to see Hobbits or something like Hobbits in Middle Earth. But their given reason for doing so amounts to nothing other than a reinterpretation of lore established by Tolkien himself. Peter Jackson was trying to stay true to Tolkien while using a completely different art form, which forces changes to be made by necessity; the Rings of Power showrunners clearly just don't care at all about what Tolkien had to say about his own created world and always fully intended to change anything they felt like just to push the message they want to push.

A lot of what Jackson cut was for time. The theatric versions of each movie were already 3 hours.

Actually he didn’t.

@@GeoPePeTto lmao

​@Catana George I'd say in hindsight now on the backend of that shit storm, ya he 100% did predict the outcome of the show.

That quote was nothing more than a passive excuse on stand-by in the likely event that the fire and brimstone of reactive criticism from conventional wisdom reared it's collective ridicule... which it did. It was nothing but a copout for a recklessly liberal agenda ready to say "we did this... you were warned and we're not sorry."

It's just the way they justify a bad or unfaithful adaptation. They know people with aligned social movement will defend despite it is in fact a bad product.

Funniest part of this comment section is no one has seen the show lol. Reminds me of the nerd rage about The Boys first trailer put out by Amazon. "They change a train to black! Wait that character isn't a girl!!" Then we watchdd it and it was a great show.

@Korruption Kult Watching shows by Amazon (a despicable company that sells goods, and should not be anywhere entertainment) is a objective proof of absence of self-worth.

Yes, that's what I don't get. You adapt the work to bring us into his created world. We are escaping ours and going into another place formed from the mind of this writer now realised on screen. That's the whole point.

It's such a weird outlook. The whole appeal of A Song Of Ice and Fire (and Game Of Thrones) was it's political intrigue in a fantasy setting. But it was never *our* modern politics.

@@TubeEamo Also when casting characters, they went out of their way to make sure that they casted actors that looked like the ethnicity of the characters. Rings of power could’ve been an opportunity to explore other ethnic groups and their cultures, but instead they just casted people of color as characters which were based on Anglo-Saxon mythology. It is the most shallow form of adding diversity to a story.

Tolkien's world is supposed to be our world though

@@jacobodom8401 which characters?

Very well said

Well you can always take solace in the fact that the classics will always be around

I had a similar experience, I enjoyed it a lot...and it was amazing to me how Tolkien created this entire universe ..and then making a series should be a new journey nostalgic and also engaging but they have just destroyed it! I find solace in the books and my own imagination

That’s exactly how I feel. I ain’t watching the stupid show. I’ll just reread the books and rewatch the Jackson movies.

@@tdf123emcee2 Exactly, he even created multiple languages himself, it was simultaneously a way for him to interact with his beloved children, telling them his stories while they went to bed, even getting advice and ideas from them, but also it was his way of coping with the unimaginable horrors he witnessed in WW1. If this can happen to him and his story and his world, nobody is safe from it.

I have no idea why people think "It's not out yet so don't judge it!", being the opposite of worried/critical is just as baseless and blind. Reminds me how people were so fast at putting fucking Force Awakens in books about "1000 Movies You Must Watch Before You Die" and told you 'Shut up, the whole trilogy isn't out yet, so you can't hate it!', ah yes, but it's totally okay to put it on such a high pedestal despite having ZERO clue if the lazy retconning and character regression from ROTJ will be worth it or not. Bloody idiots.

The only thing I can do is unsubscribe. For this and all the dumping, and slavery they are doing

"Sorry Amazon...I am not giving you my money....just no...no thank you😡" I believe we are living in a world where intelligence within Hollywood is just not there anymore. It really breaks my heart when I think about it. We are living in a world where Hollywood refuses to take chances and try new things. That saddens me.

Does any else find it odd that Crimson Girl here name drops two critically acclaimed, wildly popular fantasy novel adaptations that worked closely with their respective authors in their argument that production teams don't care about the author's world.

@@AresAlpha Only if you presume that she implied otherwise. I read it as "Regardless of what they had been"

Yes. When I was hearing about how Putin wants to re-form the Soviet Union, it reminded me of Gandalf talking about how "the Dark Lord began to take shape and grow again." Although that's probably from the 1978 cartoon movie, rather than from the book.

@@Shango I feel the same way whenever I hear people talk good about socialism (a form of government that has never worked anywhere in the history of the world)

BEST... COMMENT... EVER!

@@blickedxb Advocacy for socialism is more about short sighted juvenile tendency for rebellion than anything else.

​@@Shango Ironically Europe has a foundation of certain socialist principles, but that's just that, and it's aimed at making the country run properly to handle the less capable and less resourced people - everything depends on how much you make at the end of the month. Beyond that nobody holds your hand - no jobs come down from the sky, no education is given freely, healthcare is only supported to a degree, no free housing, no free anything actually. It's not the utopia they want you to think possible, there is no such think as free, I mean in the end, it depends on your income sure but you still are taxed! And the more beneficial a government want to be, the more taxes you cash out

The irony, yes. And the arrogance and hubris, too. "...what the world ACTUALLY looks like" as if their view of that were some sort of objective dogma instead of nothing more than their own opinion.

too often these are liberals so "what the world actually looks like" is very different from the way the world looks to a liberal

"What the world actually looks like" Nazis loved to show the Germans a fake world, soviets loved to make themselves be better than everyone else. And guess what, now the woke love to show the world with their own views and change everything around them, like make sure to always bring up the same topics that the old people are wrong and the young generations are always right, that change is always good, that taking drugs is perfectly fine. And in that process they butcher all the creativity and other messages the story had.

I know it's hard with language and context, but they obviously mean that the media should reflect our world. I even disagree, but with that having to be the case, but holy shit you don't need to pretend to be sub zero IQ to argue against it.

When progressive stuff really started taking off about a decade ago I remember hearing someone say something along the lines of, You can't even run off to an alternate universe in another galaxy 10 billion years into the future to escape their ideology. Then, if THEY can't do it themselves they will also make YOU be, do, and change everything to be the way THEY want it. They feel like they can demand how a story is and who's in it even if they're not involved like they're entitled to tell people how to create their own works of art even when, ESPECIALLY WHEN, they aren't even the least bit interested in the franchise/story/whatever themselves! Just like with Star Wars. The people demanding all the race/gender ideology stuff weren't even interested in Star Wars in the first fucking place. Also, their idea of what the world actually looks like is VERY different from what the world is like for many people. Their reality is whatever bourgeois place they work, go to school, or live in. That's not the reality for most people. Also, most places aren't America. I was wicked proud of the creators of the video game Kingdom Come Deliverance by Warhorse Studios for telling these people to kick rocks. Their story takes place in 1403 AD Bohemia and there were people complaining about the lack of people of color and all kinds of modern day elitist bourgeois identity politics gobbledygook. They put their foot down and said no and in doing so they made a timeless piece of historical fiction that is so gorgeous it will be played and experienced forever.

He returned

Haha, this is just the start!

Go watch Film Threat YT channel. Lots of fun. Live chat every Friday I think.

Well, orcs are an allegory for black people dontcha know? /s

That you know of!

Gotta have black orcs because everything should be related to something as trivial as the color of a person's skin. Oh shit, I think that is actual racism.

Not so sure about the Orcs.

@@honkworld9405 yeah, look at Maxine Waters. Definite orc lineage there.

Excuse to be garbage and when they get criticized for garbage, they deflect the blame to the fans instead of themselves. It's like already giving up.

They could just create a new world, a new story, new caracters and only referenced tolken as an inspiration and that would be ok for everybody. I don't understand Hollywood white washing Avatar - the last Air bender, Dragon ball and divercifying Tolken's work. Choose another history to tell that is already diverse or create a new one...

@@TheBusyHoneyBee if they did then their "message" whatever satanic shit that it, wouldn't spread as much

@@TheBusyHoneyBee Because works that have survived history, such as Tolkien, do so because they reflect reality in creative ways. The people tearing these stories apart have no grip on reality, nothing they make transcends their shallow, contemporary tastes. When seen from outside their fragile cultural bubble they look insane and their creations, souless and sterile.

and also most of us aren't living in the hyper diverse hyper-leftist environment of the American liberal coastal elite. So it's not even true. She means what "her" world looks like. Which, again, makes no sense, since it is impossible to imagine any society more utterly different from Tolkien's Middle Earth than a 21st century American democrat supercity.

While I have several problems with what we know of the Amazon production, the question to this point is will it also be a bad production, too. There are probably a lot of stories that the characters could be gender and /or race changed and the character and story remain largely the same. An adaptation of Dracula, by Bram Stoker set in a Steampunk England, where women were more active and independent ( so believably had the freedom Dracula and Harker had) could be gender swapped on all the roles. Unless there's a priest? The greater problem with the GB remake was that it was objectively terrible - and to be clear, I am a woman.

@@lemonblue6282 While Lucy does come across as somewhat delicate & helpless- all the film adaptations have essentially ruined her sweetness & innocence, making the fact that she has 3 suitors all about sex - yet, Mina, the character who was already capable, resilient, & smart, even in the original novel- has frequently been changed, too- just because she wasn’t perceived _as_ ‘active’ or ‘independent’ as now without adding some modernising elements- like sexiness, fighting, or feminist talking points, doesn’t mean she wasn’t *already* a kind of ‘modern’ character- she was; same as Lizzie Bennett, Helen Graham, Agnes Grey, & Jane Eyre were absolutely modern in their time- turning down proposals, eschewing being a mistress, leaving abusive situations- be they marriage or employment, & making their own way in life via a career...

@@OcarinaSapphr- I see your point but I was saying that if the film maker's intent for reasons political or artistic was to find stories and characters FOR a gender swapping adaptation, the setting change for Dracula would help because as far as I could recall the male and female roles in that story were temperamentally and socially similar - except for the autonomy of the men in that age and their careers in this story. Changing it to a Steampunk setting allows you to keep a lot of the romance of the setting, costumes, the music and lighting that would have been natural while having an immediate expectation that the women will have similar mobility and self-direction to the men.

Ghostbusters at least had the luxury to be forgotten. This certainly won't be the case here.

They're doing it with everything. Ghostbusters, Star Wars, Ocean's 11, Mighty Ducks, James Bond, etc. Like evil, the left cannot create, only corrupt.

Who would pay for it is a better question...

@@Damacles9 There's the rub. And that's the reason studio films are, frankly, crap. We need a diversity of viewpoints, not just Hollywood's. The libertarian 'Daily Wire' is distributing some films that don't refect the traditional Hollywood mindset. Not a big fan of the organization, but we need diversity of opinion just as much, or more, than diversity of color or national origin.

That is true for the LOTR movies, which is why I was so annoyed with how he butchered "The Hobbit" movies!

@@markforster6457 After the pure delight of the LOTR experience, my son and I eagerly anticipated the Hobbit movies for a decade. Absolutely the biggest disappointment of my movie-going life. But, I'm not 70 yet, so there's still time for a director to screw up worse that the Hobbit Trilogy Disaster.

@@markforster6457 I personally blame the studios with The Hobbit, they kept pushing for fillers to stretch one book into 3 movies, and Jackson was only used as a back up director when things weren't looking good. It's a shame because it's a great tale and most of the film had good features like great casts, rhythm in the dialogue, the costume, the set, even the songs were good, but adding in unnecessary parts that just washed down the story arc ultimately was the downfall. The studio was trying to get as much as they could milk from The Hobbit, it shows in certain parts.

Perfect statement for this--as Chris said, everything seems to be unmade and redone (for the worse). As a side note, it seems Tolkien didn't say this exact quote, but in LOTR, he wrote something like "The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make". The concept of evil only being able to corrupt and distort, not create, is attributed to him though, and it is a huge shame to see that evil finally come for his life's work. :/

@James H whilst I agree with your sentiment, that's not a Tolkien quote

"Don't believe stuff you read on the internet" -Plato.

@@bo47_ It's not a Tolkien quote but he said something similar a few times.

@@mr.hitchens 😂

He's amazing. I highly recommend.

I remember watching AotS and DVDuesday would come on and I'd think "Who the heck is this guy? What's he going off on? What is this??" but the more segments I'd watch, the more I'd see that he had not only a lot of knowledge of the medium but also a lot of insight and fundamental understanding of the industry and the craft itself.

Always looked forward to the dvd Tuesday segments .

Turtles here to say this

Same, G4 is trash now, but he's aged like wine.

I remember he was on every Tuesday! I'll always love him for recommending Oldboy back in the day. I had just turned 17 and also just got my license so I was able to go out and buy an R rated dvd by myself. I bought Oldboy and it's still one of my favorites.

it's not even THEIR story. It's just woke marketing. Marketing always putrefies movies. Every age has their 'marketing' influences and they're always the movies that look the worst years later

@@nuckygulliver9607 the problem is the system itself when you put your safe space college kids that studied whatever you need to study to get there first instead of trying to tell original stories from original storytellers than everything needs an overhaul look at the recently fired writer of the remake of knights of the old republic and you know how that would've turned out we have a deep problem at the core with the hiring of the people who tell these stories

and being such narcissists they write and insert themselves into the story as the heroes. Holy shit what disgusting people they are. Comic book writers have been doing this since ms marvel and the industry is now flopping all over the ground like a goldfish gasping for air.

It's not a story, it's propaganda

It's a shame. Diversity and representation is important but there's a time and a place for it. I'm willing to bet that the order a diverse cast came from Amazon. They're spending a lot of money (perhaps too much) on this show and they fear that if none-white audiences don't see characters that look like them they won't watch. They're more concerned with marketing the story as diversely as possible rather than having a good show.

Gimli being stripped of much of his nobility, only seen on the boat with Legolas talking about the 3 hairs The army of the dead should never have made it to Gondor. Their power was in fear to which orcs, driven by Sauron and the Wraiths, would not succumb easily. Differnt on the Corsair men at Pelegrir though. Great set piece though But, all in all, they were fairly respectful of the books. They told the same story, with changes. This series has plans to tell the story that Tolkien was unable to...?

Don't forget Gollum managing to come between Sam and Frodo. As if!

For reasons like these the fellowship of the ring is the best of the trilogy.

- well, about Treebeard - the ents are able to sleep for centuries you know :) - I dont like the corruption of Faramir - he looks like he is weaker than Boromir and his motivation was not higher goal like Boromir who wanted to save his ppl, Faramirs motivation was only private - he wanted to get acceptance of his dad only. - I dont think that what they did with Theoden is weakening :) It felt real, like a leader who knows that he'd failed his ppl and wanted to do smt to correct himself :) - I like the this Aragorn - his development from exile who does not want to be king becouse he wants Arwen to be able to sail, he thinks that that way she will be saved, while him wanting the throne from the start means that she should stay for him. As Aragorn getting the throne of Gondor was the only way Elrond would've agreed to their marriage. So film Aragorn does not want the throne becouse he wants to save Arwens life. :)

Agreed but those pale in comparison to the abomination that is this new series. This new series makes a Greek tragedy look fun in comparison.

Yep, the Disney sequels left me with a deep scar.

Not quite a movie but look at what happened to Game of Thrones once they left the source material Horrible

@@HiHello-wz6bx True...that was a bitter pill....

I don’t like this kind of corporate approach to makings movies either, but I think it’s a supremely flawed argument to say that any sequel, prequel, or spinoff could possibly “ruin” your positive experiences with a series. That story isn’t going anywhere, it hasn’t changed. Even if there are things retconned in future installments, the original stories should still stand on their own if they were worth falling in love with to begin with

@@connorveach5986 You're still having to deal with the current version being in the public sphere, the thing people are talking about if you mention the franchise. You can't escape it. Pretending it's within human nature to easily ignore something when it's shoved in your face constantly and is tampering with what you love is nonsense lol.

A greart retelling of a story that is does not catch the viewing public will still be a great story (to those that like it) but just another movie to the rest. as for destroying a good story... Starship Troopers comes to mind, a financial success but a disaster to an adaptation.

@@treyriver5676 Respectively, I'm going to disagree with you. While the source material for Starship Troopers is fantastic, I believe that the adaptation stands on its own merits. Did the movie leave out the mech suits, and change some of the character arcs? Sure, but I feel that even though Verhoeven made HIS OWN Starship Troopers, it was still close enough to the source, while being a distinctly Verhoeven movie. I personally believe he's a great director, and the popularity of his projects speak for themselves. I think what a lot of people do (myself included) is read the source material first, THEN see the adaptation. Expectations of the world you've IMAGINED when reading are almost never fully realized on a screen. I love the first SST movie (the others were terrible IMO). Granted, I was about 17 years old when it came out, and that could've very well influenced my feelings on it. In conclusion, are there terrible adaptations out there? Absolutely. Is the Starship Troopers movie one of them? I don't think so.

'political messages' What the fuck are you talking about

Wasn't that Spielberg, my dude?

@@maynarddrivesfast804 Starship Troopers (the book) is Fascist propaganda. Starship Troopers (the movie) is Fascist parody

Exactly how I feel. I refuse to give it a second off my time.

These opinions mean nothing if reboots and such keep making a fuckton of money and get views. It's complaining that goes nowhere, even if the points are valid. All execs care about is profit.

@@chrisjfox8715 That is why these talk are important and people who says it is nothing but complaining is a moron. Because this is what we call having a conversation and people listening to both sides of the spectrum. Plus remember this all that profit isn't worth shit unless you have the lifeblood of that profit and that is the fans(that is pure fact). Because without fans then these companies wouldn't be worth 10 bucks without us and the more people wake up from that the more those profits will drop.

@@JustTooDamnHonest but the profits aren't dropping anywhere near fast enough. for them to stop. That's my point. When even the worst-appreciated movies still manage to make 100s of millions of dollars worldwide then they couldn't care less what your fanship has to say about it.

@@chrisjfox8715 O they care whether if they show it or not. You can feel that they are losing profits. It is not going to happen fast. Rome wasn't built nor destroyed in a day you know and you have a good point. But just remember there have been companies in the past that would've been more powerful than even Disney and they are not there anymore due to them not adapting to the times, attacking fans or stock market crashes. There is a lot of ways that a company can go bankrupt. It is not impossible. But it takes time and those profits could've been better then what they got if they haven't pissed off the fans and Disney faced a lot more then just fan backlash and we have a voice and when your fanbase(the life blood of any company is being attacked then that is like ignoring the spread of cancer in your body and without treatment it will spread and you will die a slow and painful death) and that is the same with a company without its lifeblood then the company will stop functioning and then it will become stagnate and then the spread of the "cancer" will happen and if they do not do anything fast then it will spread and the company will die. Case in point the film, comic and video game industry have been facing heavy loses with their products and by your own comment a company's chief concern is making money(will if that money doesn't pay off investors etc etc) then that is a very big problem for any company especially the big ones because they have a lot more properties and that gives them a lot more room to screw up.

@@JustTooDamnHonest you didn't negate my point. The bottom line is that it all comes down to the money, no matter how fast or slow it disintegrates - the fans being pissed off in comment sections is inconsequential if film after film easily crosses $500M if not $1B plus. Studios holding Creatives hostage in favor of optimal content isn't just a few companies, it's nearly the entire industry's business model. You're right that it'll shift eventually but it ain't happening anytime soon.

IMO, it's that Hollywood found a formula that made a lot of money and they have had it on repeat. Mix that with hiring people straight from school where they've been heavy into social politics, and you get woke Hollywood with a mixture of novices and whacks who have the audacity to think they have enough experience and respect to alter great works of art. One of the hardest things to accept is that some wisdom and perspective has an age and experience requirement.

@@zac8670 To sum it all up, Hollywood (and most of today's entertainment media, for that matter), has basically morphed into a walking corpse. A mere shadow of its former glory, infused with woke politics & P.C. trash to boot.

100%.

Who is "they"? You keep saying "they". Can you be more specific? Who are you referring to here, exactly?

It's all about "content" for streaming services now. I heard the other day that Netflixs viewers trends show that most ppl fall off a show after a season or 2, so they are focusing on only having 1-2 season shows. This kind of attitude reinforces your point that it has nothing to do with creativity anymore.

There are other faulty instincts. They have the stupidity to ruin existing properties and in the event they create their own, they don't know how to do it. If you write something that confirms your worldview, it may suck. It's the problem with modern star trek and star wars. They're trying to reverse engineer a plot from politics. I'd note that Nabokov said 'The truth is that great novels are great fairy tales... literature was born on the day when a boy came crying wolf, wolf and there was no wolf behind him.' There's no requirement to necessarily reflect reality. Some great art is the creation of an exotic world with mechanics that surprise the audience (and possibly the author). They go where the ideas take them. They don't back themselves into a corner and then rely on the world of the text bending to make things work.

@@themetalpig7613 intentionally making fewer seasons due to people losing interest is a perfectly valid strategy to implement for many shows. It can most definitely be a positive since doing so is far better than how tv used to be: dragging out shows for season after season just because the ratings were great, regardless of whether the universe realistically had more story potential. Case in point, I'm a huge LOST fan and absolutely love it up through season 5...however the creators of the show wanted desparately to wrap everything up in 3 seasons, while the studio was game to go for 10 seasons or more. They kept fighting about it over the years then eventually compromised with closing it out at 6. Had the creators had their way, you wouldn't have had so many people complaining that they were just making shit up as they went sent they wouldn't have jammed it with so much filler in seasons 3 and 4 especially (granted, which i personally still loved). Back to Netflix tho, I absolute LOVE the fact that their show Dark was a planned 3 seasons and they stuck to that and closed the story properly. It would've gotten way too convoluted with all the timelines had they dragged it along just because.

Hollywood is run by political activists in the business of pushing their agenda onto our culture. Simple as that.

They are the same type of people who want to tear down statues of Abraham Lincoln and George Washington. Stories like Tolkein's represent values and principles that they hate. Its Cultural Marxism.

Completely agree. When I'm watching a fantasy movie and I start seeing hints of our present world politics, it really ruins it for me. Film right now, by many large organizations, is being used as a modern day brain wash. Completely retelling a story to fit a political agenda only reminds me of the methods used by past oppressive governments.

And, same as with these "adaptations" you'd only see a warped image of a real world if you went on Twitter.

and why should “something greater” not have real world politics or society? the original tolkien books had very real politics, as did the lord of the rings movies. no, i don’t think your issue is with politics, your issues is that it’s politics you might not agree with

@@goblinsuburb You’ve missed the point completely. Why should current fashionable politics be allowed to permeate and distort a fantasy story written not far off 100 years ago, just to appease a very vocal minority of people, and alienate a majority of hardcore and lifelong fans? If people who work in Hollywood want to push certain ideologies and causes, then they should create their own stories and outlets in which to do so. These will either stand or fall on their own merit, instead of piggybacking on, and forever marring an established and well loved franchise.

@@goblinsuburb liberal tears

too often these are liberals so "what the world actually looks like" is very different from the way the world looks to a liberal

@@mikekasich836 yes cause conservatives are better - lets burn the books. The invisible man in the sky i pray to, forbids magic.

@@cl1cka you might want to double check that, currently the book burning is more likely to be done by a leftist. I'm drawing a distinction between liberals and leftists, since liberals are now what the leftist call the alt right, basically they still believe everything that the Democrat party listed for in the '80s, don't treat people differently cuz the color of their skin or what they have between their legs or who they choose to sleep with. Literally the exact opposite of what they're spouting now.

@@cl1cka Liberals were burning books just 2 years ago dude... Also they burned Jk Rowling books just a few years ago as well. Along with several other liberal motivated book burnings.

@@Bourikii2992 Show me media coverage mate. I am telling you about something conservatives are doing on STATE LEVEL. Not bunch of people that got together and burned copies they BOUGHT. So show me ONE instance, where books were removed from schools/libraries by liberals.

And do not forget Westside Story was based on a musical in the 1950s made into a movie upon which the Speilberg movie is based.

perfect way of putting it

I love the WoT books and I was utterly disgusted with what Rafe Judkins did to the show so much so I didnt make it past the start of the series as I cant support what they did to Robert Jordans work.

Yea and I recall for GOT, SO many lines of dialog in early seasons...DIRECT copy paste from the books...THATS what made it popular.......

Except Jackson also made the Hobbit, which is a unmitigated disaster

​@@1who4me I don't think most of the problems with the Hobbit are Jackson's fault. I admit they're flawed, but I like them for the most part. With all the behind the scenes drama it's surprising they turned out as good as they did.

@@1who4me right out that first statement on the board, THEN have the nuts to proclaim it in public.....and ill let ya slide a bit..... Say the 2nd phrase and male a good show and I probably still won't give ya my money.....