well then you’re like me Rob, did some climbing in the Marines, a rope harness, a carabiner and a Munter hitch. having all this awesome gear now is awesome! Thank you for your service bro

Ya that's not a bad point to bring up, thanks for adding that!

If you back up the back up at which point does the redundancy become redundant. I could see adding a prusik to the line but man it just feels like that would be so much. Ps no jugging champion.

If you have your leg loop at the right extension then you shouldn’t really have a problem with it hitting the top of your Grigri.

That’s a tough one, you would have to attach yourself to the top ascender via some sort of personal anchor to your belay loop. Then clip a clove hitch to your belay loop also as a backup for the ascender, after that you have to push the top ascender up high enough to get all your weight on it so you could then switch out the microtraction with your atc then pull rope through that atc enough to transfer all your weight on that. Take the top ascender off and zip down. It would be more of an emergency type thing, if your planning on going down right after ascending up then you’re better off starting with a Grigri already on the rope instead of a micro traction.

Cheers for replying. I've been doing pretty much the same method but with a VT prusik (so I'm not on a single attachment) and then the VT can remain on as a backup for the ATC, but it's a pretty tedious process

I've actually changed this set up since making this video, I've moved more towards using a small locking carabiner on the daisy chain clipped to one oval carabiner on the ladder (this is for my aid climbing setup.) When it comes time to jug up I can clip the locker with the daisy chain into the jumars. My reason why I used non-lockers on the jumars was because it's two points of connection on the rope to begin with, and then I also have it backed up with a grigri on a locker. At the time one carabiner like that was my aid climbing set up also, so now that I changed to the more versatile setup it make sense to switch to just using lockers on the jumars and still backing myself up with a grigri.

That's a Black Diamond Big Gun harness

At the moment having the catastrophe knots is more along the lines of personal preference, there are some circumstances where having a few catastrophes wouldn't be bad like when you're counter-ascending to get a stuck climber on a single pitch wall. In a big wall climbing sense I personally don't do the catastrophe knots because my main attachment is the two jumars and the back up is the grigri or microtraxion. So putting in a backup knot every 30 to 50ft is a little over kill. If I was jugging a line with only two jumars then I would tie knots and clip them to my belay loop with a locker. Also in a big wall environment it is okay to put a lot more space between your catastrophe knots where in a single pitch setting you would want them more close together like 5 or 6ft apart.

Grigri safety in a nutshell: it's a safer substitute for belay tube or Munter hitch, a deadly substitute for a blocking friction hitch. If there's something below the Grigri that will automatically catch, the Grigri will assist by taking most of the tension, often all of the tension on the line. But it's not a reliable way to hold tension, you always need something hanging on to the brake side If you bounce on the end of a rope without control of the brake end, the Grigri can disengage and the rope will suddenly suck a lot of slack through. Dynamic rope, hard bounces (relative to the static load), and building a 3-1 make this failure mode more likely.

No, there's a bit of a talking point about why you don't really need to use a friction hitch with the grigri but essentially there is a little bit more security with the break assist feature than a tubular device. Adding a friction hitch won't add in any back up, if you need to take your hands off the device then tie a back up knot in the break strand.

Certainly wouldn't hurt. He does have a second point by being tied in with to ascender.

The line has with gri gri three points of failure. Someone else stated should he go onto belay and knock the can of the gri gri that would be a bad time. I think the question is how many backups do we really need.

You're right you don't really need the jumar to be connected to you with the daisy, it does give you more options with your set up if you need the versatility, but if you are just trying to jug a single pitch real fast there really isn't a need to have the daisy chain.

It’s not recommended by petzl to take your break hand off the rope without tying a knot in the break strand. If you tie the knot you’re totally fine to take your hands off of the rope, many people including myself don’t do this step all the time unless you’re taking your hands off the rope for extended periods of time. Putting on two different belay devices is cumbersome and is really hard to deal with only two hands.

So that rope was a Black Diamond 10.2 rope, It's made specifically for big wall climbing and actually lasts for a quite a while before you have to retire it.

Yep, you’re totally right, Mt. Lemmon

No, it was just your usual figure 8 on a bight

Ya sure thing, I’ll add that video to my list

@@ryantilley9063 thank you

@@ryantilley9063 sometimes you might need to ascend without the equipment that is on the ground after you dropped it or in an unplanned emergency. Prussiks, autoblocks or even one of the many arborist knots like the Blake’s hitch. Some of which require no equipment or extra carabiners at all.

Actually you don’t need a prussic on the break side of a Grigri when you rappel with it because of the awaited breaking function, it’s still recommended that when you go hands free to tie a knot in the break strand but having a prussic on the break strand doesn’t add any extra security.

@@ryantilley9063 Im saying that as i've seen a video on Hard is Easy how gri gri will not block if there's no hand on the break side. Since this is the backup.

I am putting a schwabisch above my grgri as a backup.

It's another term for ascending a fixed line, sorry I didn't make that more clear!

Ya, it's a Gila monster, there all over the southwest desert