Glad they’re still helpful!

This is as great a reason to use them as anything in my video!

that's one of the best reason s to choose that load up!😀 respect Tom.

Yeah, that's a solid reason, plus if you ever wanted to, you could run them as Interemptors(?) for Rewards of Treachery.

@@Hearesy Just got around to building the new box set as I never considered the system before. Busy building Sons of Horus and equipping my Marks 6s in squads of 10 with Flamers, Meltaguns, Umbra Pattern Bolters and with Missile Launchers. Is that good? Any advice?

Its all good! I’d maybe consider switching up meltas for 10 more tacs - sons of horus do great with them.

Thanks Oli! Sure they will over time, the channel is doing incredibly well, and very happy that people love the content!

The more I hear about them, the more tabletop 30k Raven guard terrifies me

Welcome, gentle commenter

Thank you Charlie!

Theyre definitely worth using for cool factor if you want to; dont let the maths dissuade you, just maybe make up for it by using some awesome units somewhere else in your army :)

Thank you muchly!

Thank you very much! Its an eternal balancing act of keeping it succinct with going into detail!

Warpfire plasmas maybe. I think I'll try those but not sure if Ill go just with 5

Use them! Theyre not bad, theyre just a bit expensive. You’ll have fun with them, just be careful with them!

How can you equip the squad with assault cannons as Fists? In the entry for the Iliastus assault cannon it says that only a heavy Flamer may be exchanged for an assault cannon, which TSS cannot take, or am I missing something?

@@JohnnyCoyote I think he means Heavy weapon squads.

I kit out my Tac Support Squads with Volkite and Chainaxes and they do pretty well. But then again, that’s the beauty of playing World Eaters. Every unit can be a melee unit if you want it hard enough.

Where can I buy Assault Cannons for my Fists squads? I’m trying to build an army but I need some help :/

@@LordCrate-du8zm the best bet is to just use rotor cannons. Visually, they're identical on infantry.

Both sound awesome! Achaean rotor cannons i like particularly

Also, I've seen it mentioned elsewhere rota cannons make good proxies for iliastus assault cannons should you want to do that.

You wanna checkout a reconnaissance squad with nemesis bolters dude.

Interesting idea! I think just standard application of list building would be fine - take all the units, and then make sure you have some anti elite, some anti inf, and some anti tank. Sounds fun!

Thanks Neil! Im quite looking forward to some shoulder mounts to go with my underslung volkites

@@Hearesy oh yeah I've got some of those knocking around somewhere too, I'm so pleased they went with the old school shoulder mounted plasma Cannons, they're ace.

You could also use regular plasma guns but I agree, they are great!

Absolutely, although I might change the format up a bit!

Yeh good shout, even better plasma guns!

Its my USP!

Also movement reactions too to dodge them, yeh. But i think if you want interesting stuff or army variety, they are plenty good enough!

I definitely did consider that, it’s just an alternate and better way of getting them close. Downside, they are a very easy and juicy target for interceptor and are probably going to be the first thing to die.

You mean armistos right? Good way to make them better than their raw stats would suggest - Infiltrate makes a lot of otherwise poor things work a lot better!

@@Hearesy nah Armistos is the heavy type dude with a heavy weapon. He would take away the unit's infiltrate also as Heavy don't get infiltrate in RG. Master of Signals gets his Augury Scanner, cognis-signum, nuncio-vox and disruptor array to make deepstrikers disordered. Would be hilarious placing an enemy unit in range to be intercepted by the volkite xD

Oof Id not noticed that he had a cognis signum too!

I had a similar thought! Not top end powerful, but a really interesting way to play them and get use out of that fear

Definitely!

Better having two squads of 5, as you can then pin two enemy squads instead of one. Pinning is the best reason to take these.

If youre going to make use of the assault to charge as well as the extra guns, for sure yep! id be more tempted by despoilers in the “cheap escort” role in world eaters personally, as you also get line and more benefit from the legion trait.

If i was building salamanders id be spamming flamers everywhere for sure. Im not sure thats a better idea than mixing in some plasma but i think it’d be decent for your midfield men as they’re line, and on theme! Back them up with some lascannons etc and you have a good plan thats pretty unique, I think.

Im not underestimating it, I mention it for a number of units. Its just countered so hard by their expense and low survivability, ie, the value of their mobility is questionable.

I’d refuse to play vs fulmentarus terminators. Theyre bonkers. That whole PDF needs to be set on fire. I’d avoid them. The rest of it seems good if you avoid the other pdf unit - maybe rotors in 5s not 10s as 10 is overkill for a pin.

And have you read the Ultramarines specific dread? Absoluuutely bonkers :D I don't know what they were thinking with these two units...

@@miguelgilcasas3560 sorry 6 months late. But which UM dread is that?

Originally i assumed they were assault which made their cost make a BIT more sense. When i saw they were heavy I did WTF a bit!

@@Hearesy exactly same for me. Hopefully it gets a change. I love volkite.

I doubt we’ll get balance changes but we can hope! There are a LOT of faqs needed to fix basic rules like outflank so maybe we get lucky?

Chain Bayonets. Theyre awesome.

No you can definitely skip the transport!

On their own merits theyre a fine weapon. A bit on the expensive side and probably shouldnt be heavy, but fine.

Yes!

I think Ravenguard do change the maths on Meltaguns for sure, it makes them a lot more worth it, and you dont need the rhino of course too. The problem is if you infiltrate them and go second… eww.

Legion veterans with combi meltas? They take an elites spot, but they're only 1 point more, twice as hard to kill and can scrap with tactical marines on a midfield objective.

Theyre excellent but expensive!

For sure yes - just bear in mind if its just one squad it will probably get interceptored to death!

Have been considering this but I think its a lot of work!

@@Hearesy maybe GW sees this and considers your changes. Who knows? Every opinion matters

I love the warpfire weapons, they’re fantastic. Assault (longer range) and pinning in return for -1s that rarely matters. Theyre very expensive though so youd have to be careful with the unit. You can also consider not upgrading *all* of them; just 2-3 should be enough to force a pinning test, even though you wouldnt get the full benefit of the longer range.

Oh man. Definitely both usable but if you prefer the more optimal options, I feel your pain. Worth selling them and rebuying maybe?

Yep. Theyre very pricy, and outflank needs to be FAQd so it doesnt auto lose you the game, but I’ll be doing that too when its fixed!

Ive done a video on emperor’s children specifically - TLDR, a little expensive but decent.

Don't bother is my tip. Its over 200 pts for the squad with repeaters, for 5 marines.

Yeh theyre pretty pointless when yiu have interemptors. The only time youd use that option is maybe like a vet squad getting 1 plasma burner or something, which is obviously more at the cool end of the spectrum than the powerful end.

@@Hearesy Yeah I agree, if they stayed at 24" range, I could see a point for them, but I wouldn't bother as long as interemptors remain so dirt cheap

Many for a future video!

5 shredders in a rhino for anti-vehicle is what I’m going for. Pretty similar use case to the melta squad discussed in the video. Having to stay still to fire a graviton gun puts me right off.

Anyone who has a way to get them there generally makes them better yep.

Or if your HS slot is full (still expensive, but maybe!)

Theyre not even line :/

@@Hearesy wow missed that! Yea they are a weird unit, all the other ones around them seem to do what they do better in whatever role you pick. Could you do reconnaissance squads as a video? i think they are a real standout decent unit in the book.

They are, one of the best!

With how the worded it, it sounds a little more expensive to have 2 squads of 5 but you can have them both shoot at different units... Or the same unit. There is a little more flexibility there. I was planning on making a squad of 5 and another 5 plasma rifles.

Id stick to 5s, yeh. Theyre not very good at killing marines, so you just want to force the test.

@@Hearesy thanks! I was leaning that way too.

Flamer or Melta depending on what they want to do, yeh. None is also fine!

@@Hearesy I was looking at doing a nice hit before the charge

Flamers are great - melta also fine! Plasma wouldnt let you charge though so best avoid that.

@@Hearesy reavers have relentless so they can

Ooh yeh! Then any of them are fine!

Yes but not at the start of the game, as dedicated transport rules stop you (need to double confirm this but fairly sure im correct). Not really an effective strategy as such, as youd have to mount and then dismount on a later turn.

@@Hearesy cheers!

expensive, but tanky, infantry that give up the ability to run for functional immunity to low AP template weapons, more special weapon options in squad, and a 5++.

Sounds like a fun project!

@@Hearesy personaly i only colect the models but i like to listen to these sort weapon talks to learn the cannon lore behind what each gun is and does currently their history i designed is they split off from the iron warriors during the heresy and after the primarchs vanished they split off from the imperium going renegade but not chaos only to return again during the indominus campaign. i been marking some metal parts on tanks with a copper color to make look like they had to do some patch work using what ever metals they have acess to. they very much the industrialism seige warfare of the iron warriors but more loyal to the emperor just not loyal to the imperiams church but they believe in the primarchs so they reluctantly returned when hearing news of guilimens return their also allied to some freeblade knights im new to it so not got even half the models im going for but its a nice long term project goal for myself to spend spare money on

This is an ooooold one but yes, it happens to us all :)

Chainfists are too good not to take. 👍

@@combatwombat2134 honestly what I’m thinking for a 5 man squad

@@user-rv5gk3vr7c go big or go home, buddy. 😂 Remember, there's no kill like overkill.

Go for two 5 man squads. They are crap at killing marines, but with two squads instead of one you pin two squads, rather than just one.

@@batteredwarrior I run a 10 man team on my scars they're great because they're assault weapons so I can keep em on the move

You have as much as you want as long as you have the points 🙂 the reason people will often take at least 5 or as many as they can is to fill a role. It's better to have units meant for one or two things than a unit that tries to do everything but doesn't have the fire power to deal with things since they are spread out. There are weapons you can take that need at least 5 guys per unit so of you have a unit of 20 marines you can take up to 4 of said weapon. In my opinion I look at theme with HH so look at your legion what they do plus look at what you would like to do. For me I am building a Word Bearers list so far it's two 20 tac marines one of them is going to be very much more melee focused all will have chain swords (I am putting axes on some just because it looks cool but still using the chain swords rules) have a guy upgraded to a diabloist with better armour. My idea is that these are the fanatics who fear nothing. The other guys will be well smarter 🤣 will have 4 special weapons that I can take something that is good against some armour the rest will have the slighter better than standard bolter (can't remember the name of it at the top of my head) a dreadnought with a chainfist and maybe an auto cannon still not sure on that part. Just have a quick look over things yesterday still nowhere nearly done. But again all about theme for me

Wrong. No MODERN military unit, but in ages past this sort of thing happened frequently, and Warhammer 30K and 40K have always been anachronistic in multiple respects.