For real. But that probably means that either her dad or brother were in the next room while she's screwing that dude from the tub. Gross

That was how i guessed it too it made no sense that they wouldnt show the body physically for such a new fun quirky character

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Her behavior in general was sketchy. I immediately knew she and the cop were the killers, I thought the third one was a red herring, making him her brother was also lame. He should have remained a red herring that just leaves. This movie had potential and the weak writing for the three killers was a major letdown.

Hard calling him "reluctant" imo when him killing Annika is one of most violent and gruesome deaths in the entire franchise

Reluctant definitely isn't the word, more like overly interested for the sake of winning his father's love.

@@CommanderLex See, where I agree that Annika's death was brutal and violent, it's almost like as if you belive that it was totally Ethan's intent for her to not only actually fall off of the ladder, but also smash her head on the dumpster.

Besides that look, they did a horrible job building on that. However, I don't think Ethan gets credit for having some of Richie's mannerisms. That and the shirt is what gave him away imo.

​@@Nascarthelastcornerbender Finally someone points it out lol

Would have made a great reveal scene

Agreed as soon as she said that I said why would we need to know that unless it is important to the ending then when they don't show her being killed it was more obvious she was a Ghostface

Unfortunately, that line also made it obvious that her brother was Richie and I knew the motive for the rest of the movie.

@@ZackCherry I didn’t suspect that. I actually thought her brother was going to be another victim, maybe Stu’s nephew from Part 5 and they wanted revenge for Ghostface starting in the first place. But that was also influenced by the “fuck the movies” line in the opener. I thought that statement was going to be their motive, almost like the opposite of Ritchie’s

​@@ZackCherryEveryone i know who saw the film said it was obvious it was that way. Killer and motive.

that line does absolutely nothing to give the motive away. i didn't predict the motive until sam got that phone call from richie after that i knew it was the motive

True. It would have been a better twist if he wasn’t the killer, and was instead shocked to see that Quinn was, and had faked her death.

ill always prefer someone telling a good story that can be guessed than telling a lesser one just for the sake of being subversive.

It's getting really hard to truly subvert expectations these days. The only slasher I've seen recently that was truly amazing in its deftness of storytelling to pull of a major twist was Bodies, Bodies, Bodies and that's the kind of twist that can only be done once. I truly think Scream 7 would do better to completely upend the narrative and reveal one or more of its killers immediately (a trick 6 teased very briefly). To have the audience in on the "mystery" from the get-go would be a pretty great subversion and offer some new and interesting ways of telling a Scream story.

Agreed, I was just thinking the whole time that the main cast was so bloated with returning characters that I was left with almost no actual suspects.

I wish there was like 4 or 5 killers and one or 2 got away without being unmasked to carry onto scream 7 kinda leaving it on a cliff hanger. I thought the whole Richie family thing was shocking but then I was mad at myself for not seeing it when it’s literally scream 2 I should have stuck with my gut about it trying to copy the original trilogy.

Scream 6's big issue was not enough new characters who were fleshed out and not enough deaths. They had six returning characters and all of them survived, that has NEVER happened in a Scream film. Up until scream 4, a returning character died in each film. There was no risk in this film, thus putting the deaths on their friends, but Quinn "died" too early, Anika wasn't fleshed out, and Danny was never at any risk with his limited screen time.

I think they had enough characters, they just didn’t use them appropriately. They were also all crammed together in the same scenes. Separate them more, give their whereabouts a sense of mystery. The “rules” scene could have just been Mindy and Chad. Not everyone needed to be in the apartment during the attack, etc.

@@ZackCherry The rules scene definitely should've been like Randy and Dewey in 2.

It would be cool if Scream 7 revealed Christina Carpenter to be an original accomplice to Billy (the Ghostface in the bathroom scene) and someone who introduced Richie and Amber (Richie on the phone call said that he met Christina in "group" never specifies which one and also met Amber in a Stab group). It would take a fair bit of development in film because she cut Sam off last film, but it would also be cool if her goal is just to get Sam to embrace her dark side by killing Tara, and if a second Ghostface is necessary, they could retcon that she planted Danny in Sam's life

It's gonna be Stu isn't it?

@@ArthurSanford3706 It better be Stu

@@zedorian6547it better not be tf LMAO

@@josephgibson5902richie was obviously lying when he said that.... 💀💀💀💀

I wouldn’t say that Danny was ever negatively toned. He is affirming Sam’s need to be suspicious in that scene. It would be negative of him to tell her that her way of thinking is wrong.

@@ZackCherry Yeah, but in your last video, that was considered negative. But I do agree that it's not as negative as other things and Ethan. But I feel he doesn't get enough credit for accepting Sam not trusting him.

how you gonna name an example of him not being consistent and then in the same breath say "he was consistent" 💀💀💀💀

@@billy28061100 Clearly you didn't watch Zach's previous video about this. He's not consistent because 1 it only happened once in the movie unlike Ethan and 2 because him following up on the promise he said AND educated Sam doesn't make it negative.

The shrine is not possible even as a cop. It's evidence from more places than one No police force with it in the evidence room, would never let them have it. And if it was stolen it would be obvious who it was because of cameras and identification stuff. They didn't run around collecting everything on the crime scene, just picking everything up or take stuff from the dead killers.

There is a proportionate amount of new and old characters, but it more so comes down to not using the new characters to their full potential.

Might be one killer again if the continue following their trend of mirroring the original trilogy..

​@@StonayBalognaLet's just call it modern day cash grabbing.

If it's the last one, I think there will be five. One will die halfway through and then it turns out there are four others that have to be dealt with at the end.

Imagine its Stu and we just have the hidden in plain sight again. It could also be Christina Carpenter. Her character type would be the confidant as she follows Tara and Sam for probably most of the movie. So we would look for a change of attitude towards them if she is a killer. Idk who else though would be a killer. Maybe Tara but a returning character has never been the killer. Tara would either be The Hero or The confidant most likely so it wouldn't be that hard to spot early on. I think we got it.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I just wanna know how Mindy figured out it was Ethan and Bailey.

@@ZackCherryEthan probably expected his dads plan to work so he monologued to Mindy and said that Bailey was his dad but let her think Quinn was still dead because he wanted to get there in time and not ‘waste’ his time talking about how Quinn’s alive

Yes, it was a good decision to let him not go in with them. Probably gonna die if he went in.

Would've loved to see the revealed Ghostface to put up a fight, but oh well.

He wasent a ghost face and he was a dweeb. He didn't put up a fight he got slaughterd by the real ghost face of the film!

When Jack Quaid and Dermot Mulroney were announced as cast members for 5 and 6 I immediately thought they would be the killer

Ethan being related was probably the biggest twist, since it wasn’t already established that he was their son/brother. But the explanation was kind of redundant after the mask came off.

I mean it is wise to keep ladders around tbh in case of emergencies.

coulda been a construction worker 😂

He used it to climb into Sams bedroom without anyone noticing. 😉

@@wesstewart2677 true, especially if you live on the upper floors of a building. helpful in case of fire.

It could work if, like Tara, they survive the intro and the setting of the kill made their "performance" make sense (e.g. there are other witnesses around). But personally I think the murder-mystery aspect of Scream has become one of its most diminishing-returns features and would probably best be completely upended for 7.

Yeah I had a big filling that the bad guys wanted revenge

when he uploads it.

@@Vizionariygee really

Go home Amber, we know it’s you outside.

@@champe0n61 Eww Amber

@@champe0n61 shit

How amazing would it have been if Jason killed for the first half of the movie (with all clues pointing towards him), only to get killed off and then the pattern of the killers completely changing? That seems like a much better misdirect than a poorly staged fake killing off screen.

So great. Only issue I could see from this is that it gives Sam even more agency towards the outcomes of situations. While not as offensive as Scream 5, the circumstances that allow the killer to succeed in their plan would feel increasingly contrived (maybe just poor writing, again) They couldn't control the situation with one group of people to worry about, having a secondary threat (an active murderer) might really bend logical/physical limitations of the primary ghostfaces. Would've loved to see the chaos that could've come from this though, Quinn looks like she would be great at improvising this (I'm getting this just from her behaviour post reveal so its a bit of a stretch)

Thank you 🙏

You mean Ethan?

@@INTJ91 "Ethan"!! Yes sorry. I'm terrible with names.

Definitely underwritten for most of them, but I don’t get apathetic friend from Ethan. He would be way too blasé about the murders, or at least be shown to not have a strong opinion about things either way.

Obviously it was a lie but as soon as he said that I knew he was a Ghostface because Kirby a returning character and if that lie were true they would not just reveal it by phone they would wait to shock us at the end when she's unmasked .

It was more so another instance of cheating the audience. Something that Wes Craven, Kevin Williamson, and Ehren Kruger never did.

You gotta be kidding

Pls be serious

It’s why I go see these in the theaters when they come out just because they get spoiled too quickly with the internet.

The fact that Detective Bailey came out of the apartment alone was telling enough for me

lol yeah careful what you wish for....it might ruin a beloved existing IP.

That’s a KZfaq strategy. Retention rates drop when you have too much fluff at the end. So it’s better to make your point and close out fast, as most viewers are ready to click off which means that there could be several minutes of unseen video that hurts the overall retention. Higher retention means more views.

Yeah, and the fake out kills don't even work anymore since they do it in every movie. When they "killed" the girl, I was like, "Cool, so that's the killer fake out death."

Yes, they ruined the killers and motive with obvious lines and motives The police have every evidence, uses them and ruins the reveal Really lazy writing. The reveal ruins so much of the movie. Theatrical and to much eyebrows from a guy who never show a thing

The most obvious by far IMO

Oh yeah... I put Quinn's cockblocking in the same category as Mickey's Ewoks. Dead giveaway.

Tara is definitely not a red herring. The only reason she’s ever made to look suspicious is due to Richie’s comment after Amber reveals herself. That just makes him negatively toned. As for the music, it’s usually neutral unless it’s a major returning character coming into the movie. But Billy had several negatively toned musical cues in the original.

​@@ZackCherry You don't think the parallels between Tara in the opening scene of S6 and Amber in S5 make Tara look suspicious at all? I think it's significant that there's no sign of Sam in that opening. Why specifically set it up that Sam isn't there, if not to draw suspicion on Tara? The movie specifically gives Tara a motive for the opening murder. And it does it in the opening scene. I do agree about the lack of "negative toning" on Tara. But here's the thing... I won't go through the dozens of hints that Tara is being set up as a future killer, because c'mon. (If the emphasis on Sam handing Tara the knife isn't a clear hint as to what's coming then I don't know what is.) But it does feel like they're going to do a parallel to Roman and make the half-sibling the killer in the third movie of the "new" series. I agree that, beyond the opening, there isn't much pointing to her as the killer in the second, even if they do drop a lot of hints that there might be more to her character in the future. I also don't disagree about the negative musical tones (although Billy was specifically set up as a false "red herring" so you'd expect some with him specifically. But again, there are other killers who aren't portrayed the same way who get the same treatment.) I've never agreed with Mrs Loomis' characterisation as a "wild card" by the way. The genius of Debbie Salt is that she appears specifically to be in the movie to faciliate Gale's character arc and redemption. She's literally giving Gale a taste of her own medicine, thereby making her examine her own actions and the effect they have on her friends. As she's got such a clearly-defined relationship with one of the main protagonists I'd say she slots comfortably into "Devil's Advocate".

I just don’t really see these clues you’re talking about with Tara in either 5 or 6. Unless she has a major 180 in the next movie, it will be a very unsatisfying killer reveal for her. As for Mrs. Loomis, she’s H.I.P.S. It’s not a defined enough relationship that she has with Gale that she would be D.A. Her cover places her at Windsor because she’s press who is reporting on the murders. That’s the thing that defines her character. If she were D.A. she would have a clear agenda with/against Gale (like Jennifer and Judy do) and we would at least have an idea of who she is personally. She’s also got like 2 minutes of screen time prior to her reveal. Trust me. I invented this 💁‍♂️

@@ZackCherry See, I love these kinds of debates. To me, Mrs Loomis at least has a relationship to anyone in the main cast, which is more than Mickey does (they cut out the scenes of him being Syd's roommate, and nobody seems to bother about him when he literally disappears for half the movie. Also he looks at least 10 years older than anybody else. Who even IS this guy? What's he doing there?) "Debbie Salt" has a very well-defined professional rivalry with Gail that's part hero-worship, part envy. Yes, it's her cover, but it also gives her a chance to have some great moments (I love when she comes up to Gail after Randy's murder and is like "How does it feel to know there's someone out there, waiting, watching your every move?") It's less the amount of time she has, more the quality of its use. As for the hints to Tara... - There's Richie straight-up accusing her (which is something Scream does a lot - they have someone say something that they think is untrue, but then turns out to be correct later on - for example Syd distracting Mrs Loomis with "Isn't Mickey supposed to be dead?" two minutes before Mickey leaps up like a diving salmon.) Overtly this moment was just put in to set up the "I guess you're not as convincing as you thought" moment later on, but this is a Scream movie. D'you think that's all there is to it? - There's Sam handing Tara Billy's knife. Not exactly subtle symbolism there. - There's Tara's approval of Sam's stabbing, which goes a little beyond sisterly affection. And her almost euphoric reaction to stabbing Ethan through the mouth. - Talking of sisterly affection... Tara's attitude to Sam is really inconsistent throughout both Screams 5 and 6. To the point where it can't be explained by character growth. - Again, there's LOTS of parallels to the previous killers (in particular Amber in Scream 6, but there are a couple of subtle callbacks to Charlie and especially Jill in some of Tara / Sam's interactions as well). - And finally, if we're talking about Screams 5, 6 and 7 mirroring 1, 2 and 3... 1 is the love-interest, 2 is the vengeful parent, and 3 is the half-sibling... I'm sure I've missed out a few here. I know there were some more subtle callbacks I picked up on in Scream 5 that I couldn't remember now. Let's just say that I think they've set up Tara as a possible killer in Scream 7, and honestly I hope they run with it. It would be lame if we have so many returnees in the franchise now, and none of them ends up as a killer.

Dermot Mulroney FEASTED on the scenery in the final act. Not even scraps were left behind. So over the top.

yeah Mulroney felt like a sitcom dad, so hard to take seriously. It might as well have been Tim Allen doing his Home Improvement grunts as he unmasked himself.

Good pick up on the taser thing, I didn't think about that until just then. Now I'm more disappointed at the movie haha