How To Remove ANYTHING Using The Clone Tool in Luminar NEO

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The clone tool is HERE! In this Luminar NEO tutorial I'll show you how to make the most of this powerful tool so you can remove anything from your photos. Get NEO here: bit.ly/Luminar-NEO Use discount code ATNEO
We can use Clone (also known as clone and stamp) to remove objects OR duplicate objects. In this video I'll show you my techniques fro removing just about anything. Thaknks for watching I hope it's been helpful!
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@nathanthournmy6478 Жыл бұрын

Maaate. That was another great knowledge drop. The final clean up was very impressive. Thanks for showing those techniques. Defo the best Luminar teacher out there!!!

@Pondou Жыл бұрын

Apart from being a great tutorial. you managed to get a very nice personal touch too! Say hi to your very understanding better half!

@johndwilliams Жыл бұрын

I've struggled with the more advanced Photoshop techniques and your videos have made me realise that Neo is a credible alternative for what I do. Your videos are detailed and easy to follow and the only ones I watch concerning Neo. I enjoy your architecture videos, too. If I had been younger I would have loved to have followed that path. I even have a tilt/shift lens for my Sony!

@frankdevita7667 Жыл бұрын

Anthony that was absolutely excellent! The various techniques you demonstrated has certainly given me a better grasp of its proper use. As for closing and reopening the tool throughout the process I find that it is not unlike working in a series of layers. Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge and skills!

@reverencehunting Жыл бұрын

That tip about closing the tool and reopening it to create a log of the history is absolutely GOLD!!! Thank you so much!

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

Very welcome!

@flookoco2008 Жыл бұрын

I’ve dabbled with photo editing for years but this video taught me so much about the use of clone and edit tools, thank you Anthony.

@wa8khp-468 Жыл бұрын

EXCELLENT. I believe U are the best Luminar Neo YT photo editor! I have watched many of them. Your understanding of Neo and the creative way U approach a problem are amazing, U always explain the options and show several ways to solve the editing function. Thanks and looking forward to your next YT vid.

@peteschenck9655 Жыл бұрын

Brilliant video once again! Your method of instructing is second to none. Thank you!

@bgovan64 Жыл бұрын

Anthony, One of the best tutorials for Clone/Stamp. Great for someone who has used in the past like myself and for those new. Simply brilliant. And yes the ‘Cmd Z’ function is a necessity with this tool. Let’s hope Skylum listens and implements or at least tells us whether they will or not.

@Onkeldoc1234 Жыл бұрын

Fading the overlook Slider with one click is huge! Love it, thanks so much for the tip.

@bySterling Жыл бұрын

Fantastic vid and showcase AT!

@jimroberts6336 Жыл бұрын

Hi Anthony, Over the last few years, I've appreciated your teaching so very much. A very special THANK YOU for your explanation of the CLONE tool. I have clone tool from an older pro Microsoft program that includes an UNDO tool but it wasn't nearly as comprehensive as this one. Your comments about matching corners and the concept of the geometry of items in the image is greatly appreciated. Your simple explanation of closing the tool and re opening to eliminate loosing everything was really important. THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL OF YOUR EXCELLENT IDEAS.

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

Thanks Jim! Really appreciate your kind feedback!

@roderickmclean9927 Жыл бұрын

Anthony, thanks for the EXCELLENT tutorial. I’m sure a lot of followers will thank you also for your simplistic approach to teaching the confused.

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

Thanks Roderick!

@michaelhale416 Жыл бұрын

You make it look so easy. Love the tips about matching lines. This will open up a whole new phase in editing for me. Thanks!!!

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

Thanks Michael. You'll find it easy too with a bit of practice.

@davidr9104 10 ай бұрын

What a game changer! I absolutely needed a way to rescue a sunrise photo taken through a window (3 suns!). Fantastic tutorial!

@macsprotte1436 Жыл бұрын

Another great demonstration. One of the go to channels regarding Skylum products

@kenalexander8714 Жыл бұрын

An excellent video Anthony with lots of expert advice and tips, especially shutting down the tool in case of mistakes. Very useful tool thats been a while coming, but still not fully complete without the Ctrl Z.

@clarashook3398 11 ай бұрын

This was a fantastic tutorial! Thank you so much for covering these basic Luminar Neo tools. It was incredibly helpful, and I hope you'll keep doing these tutorials.

@AnthonyTurnham 10 ай бұрын

Hi Clara. Glad it was helpful! The channel supporters are slowly growing and that certainly helps me justify the time creating the free content :)

@arpearce4416 Жыл бұрын

Anthony, again I've learnt so much! thank you

@tabbycatman Жыл бұрын

Another excellent video! I second all the previous comments, I couldn't improve on any of them. Many thanks Anthony.

@jeffdegregorio7391 Жыл бұрын

Great that Luminar Neo can do this now - even better than before in the past! BTW Anthony, all your videos ROCK! Thank you for the great videos you create for us! I have learned a lot from them. I would also make a shout out for Jim Nix and all the rocking videos he's done too.

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

Thanks Jeff. I'm glad you've enjoyed them. And yes, Jim rocks it too! Great guy, great videos.

@tomprzytula Жыл бұрын

This is pure magic! Can wait to try it at home. Thank you Anthony!

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

You're welcome Tom

@DroningaboutIreland Жыл бұрын

Superb Anthony you made it look easy and top tip about closing the tool down each time so you don't lose the lot if you make a mistake, thank you 👍

@johncameron6853 Жыл бұрын

Can't thank you enough for that vid Anthony, it's just what I was looking for👌, your missus is a good sport by the way 10/10 for her👏

@sigurdrille9693 Жыл бұрын

A perfect video for this long sought after tool👏! Thank you, Anthony, entertaining as always 🙂 And yes, I certainly miss “undo” also….

@emeregildo100 Жыл бұрын

Quite aumusing Anthony! Cool video!

@philclaytonphotography 9 ай бұрын

Thanks Anthony this is excellent news and I am looking forward to doing some awesome cloning this Winter!!

@Centauri27 10 ай бұрын

I've used Clone tool in both Photoshop and Luminar, but as usual I pick up many useful practical tips from you, Anthony! This is an excellent refresher course. And great workaround to overcome their lack of undo! I had assumed there was undo, as I'm so used to this history in LR and PS.

@AnthonyTurnham 10 ай бұрын

Thanks Carl. Thankfully undo has been added since this video was made.

@mkwalk2385 Жыл бұрын

Another great tutorial! Thanks Anthony.

@ekpunjabi38 Жыл бұрын

Loved it !

@MCCC72-77 Жыл бұрын

Anthony, thank you so much for your help on this tool. I’m so glad they added this back to Neo, as using the erase tool only was starting to get old and tiresome.

@jwp2166 Жыл бұрын

The most helpful clone tutorial ever! Many thanks.

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

Thanks

@joshuadanger904 Жыл бұрын

really appreciate this video! Good tip on closing out the clone tool to hardcode the changes. Thanks!

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

@colinmelhuish1254 Жыл бұрын

So well done. Really showed the way. Thanks for posting.

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

No trouble Colin. Thanks.

@tonymurphy9112 Жыл бұрын

So Cool, thanks for showing us 🤗

@Sven-R Жыл бұрын

This was really useful! Thanks!

@EricGross Жыл бұрын

Terrifically helpful video. Thanks so much!

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

You're welcome Eric

@philyoung4804 Жыл бұрын

Brilliant and very useful. Thanks.

@robertmeyerson1618 Жыл бұрын

Thanks !! Very helpful.

@ivanfojan8859 Жыл бұрын

Great video mate and a good save at the end with the missus :p

@ThomasSielaff Жыл бұрын

Such great instructions!

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

Cheers Thomas.

@scubarocksrocks7341 Жыл бұрын

Hi Anthony, thanks for the tips... Power man!

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

Any time!

@MrJohnnyMel Жыл бұрын

That looks very satisfying, thanks Anthony clear, precise and entertaining as usual

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

Thanks John. I'm not sure who Andrew is, but I'll take the kudos anyway 😜👍

@MrJohnnyMel Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyTurnham haha! Just successfully used the cloning tool to sort that out 😅 sorry

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

@John Melhuish Haha. All good John! 😜

@phillipsheridan Жыл бұрын

Fantastic tutorial. Thanks...

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

You are welcome!

@jean-mariedesreumaux3444 Жыл бұрын

merci, tuto très bien expliqué et documenté, bravo

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

Merci beacoup 😀

@jlopez7596 Жыл бұрын

Well done as usual! I tend do this in PS because the erase tool in NEO seems to crash or takes 10 minutes to render. I will definitely try this to see if it offers better results. But yes ctrl z is absolutely necessary.

@dizzydisciple 10 ай бұрын

Epic intro lol. Thanks for this, bro.

@TLeightonWomack Жыл бұрын

Great tip to close the clone tool down often. Hopefully, they will come out with the control Z soon for it.

@guysingleton3908 Жыл бұрын

Never been impressed with the clone tool before, now I know it was because I wasn't using it properly. Thanks for a superb tutorial once again.

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

Thanks Guy!

@ArminHirmer Жыл бұрын

Great one

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

Thanks Armin

@bramelsheretan Жыл бұрын

thinking about the history states, I actually think Neo has a nice system, providing you remember to activate another instance of the tools used.

@DirtyCuttinScoundrel Жыл бұрын

really appreciate your content you're the only one that dos a great job explaining and showing, and u sound like book on tape lol

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

🤣 Book on tape! I've not had that one before!

@yeungeric6347 Жыл бұрын

Hi Tony, I don't know if there is a bug in this version. After you have done your clone works, if you click to the Catalog, click develop tool and back to the clone tool, your previous clone works are all gone. Is it that difficult to create an "Apply Button" in the clone tool to fix this..........

@felixthecat1882 Жыл бұрын

Hi Anthony! Great video on the clone and stamp tool! Yes, I now have it! I often get it wrong when trying to erase some items using the clone & stamp tool, thanks for the tips on matching up similar areas to clone. 😾 Say Hi to your wife, it seems you are introducing your family on your videos - great!!! 😸 By the way, was that steam train in New Zealand or from elsewhere? Regards from Felix the Cat. 🐱

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

Thanks FTC. Yes, it was a steam train from NZ South Island. It's maintained by volunteers. I'll say hi to wifey!

@2020Decoder Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this great vid Anthony. I had a go with the NEO trial last week (FYI, I tried your code at checkout and it didn't do anything, which I've informed Skylum about and they sent me their own code so you may want to look into that) - I couldn't believe there wasn't an undo button, let alone the ability to use CTRL+Z.....it beggars belief! Hopefully soon though!

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

Thanks Tim. Hmmm, interesting about the code. Yes I'll reach out to Skylum and check on that. I know sometimes if there's currently a promotion already running it supercedes any codes. Cheers for pointing that out!

@ronwilson9855 Жыл бұрын

Love it, Love it, Love it. The tip about going out and back in to clone is so good, I had use the clone tool in Ai, but that doesn't work, is it possible to relocate the target cross? there are times when I wanted to clone a specific part useing A1 then clone the other side of the picture and it kept picking up were the target had moved to, or is this an Ai issue and not a Neo?

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

Thanks Ron! Yes it's working as it should. It will always take its reference based from the initial target UNTIL you hold alt/option and click somewhere else. That changes the source point.

@makeva100 Жыл бұрын

Can you tell me something abort the neu program from Luminar: Skylum IMGMI?

@peterkilfoyle2756 Жыл бұрын

Anthony, can the cloning be done with all photos or just raw photos?

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

All photos Peter. Unlike me, I was actually editing a jpeg in this one.

@wrightbytes 7 ай бұрын

Is there a way to reset the clone tool without clicking clone again and resetting everything within clone. Im talking if you want to clone a few different areas and gen erase wont work. Thanks

@angusyuen4485 2 ай бұрын

great tutorial video. Could you provide guidance on how to remove the cage wires in front of the animal. I've attempted GeneErase and Erase without success. I took picture of bald eagle behind the fence.

@AnthonyTurnham 2 ай бұрын

Maybe something for a future video. Thanks for the suggestion.

@rustybinges3263 Жыл бұрын

What could be done about the people reflections on the train? I only noticed in one area. Wonderful tutorial! Very helpful!

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

The erase tool could probably handle that. There are passengers... perhaps it's them you can see through the window?

@davidusprich4017 Жыл бұрын

Great video! I was able to remove several distracting items from some photos. Is there a way to move (scroll) the photo in NEO? I know there is the smart zoom but it's not super easy to get the photo sitting where you want it to make some cloning edits, especially at the edges. Maybe I'm missing something??

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

Yeah sure, so just hold the space bar, click and drag. You'll be able to scroll around when you're zoomed in.

@davidusprich4017 Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyTurnham Thanks!

@themarksmanABP Жыл бұрын

The one issue with the clone tool in neo is this... you can't flip a clone or rotate the sampled area like you can in photoshop. I do dog photography and lead removal can be a nightmare if you cannot flip or rotate the sampled area. For example, a dogs body has curves on hind legs, head, neck etc. When doing lead removal, only working with existing directional lines from a sampled area won't always cut it. They just need to introduce the flip and rotate feature and it would be perfect

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

That would be a good addition to the tool!

@andyreynoldsiprovid133 Жыл бұрын

I was going to say the same thing. We need rotate and flip on the clone tool.

@RichardsWorld Жыл бұрын

I swear the older versions on Luminar had object removal or spot healing brush.

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

It still has erase which uses AI to calculate what it thinks should be in the areas you remove. Maybe you're thinking of that. It's similar to a spot healing brush.

@JuanPerez-sv8qs Жыл бұрын

Thank you for yet another great tutorial. Lamentably my MacBook Pro with M1 Pro chip couldn’t handle this. There was a delay of 15-30 seconds after every single clone pass making the use of this tool horrid. The program did crashed and my laptop ran out of ram (50 Gb). This was the only thing running on my 6 months old computer. Am I missing any settings to get Neo to run smoothly? As it is now this feature is useless on my machine. Please advise.

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

Hi Juan. I'm not sure what's going on there. I'm only running 32gb of RAM on a 3yr old machine but it's fine. I'd reach out to skylum support and discuss along with your MacBook specs.

@JuanPerez-sv8qs Жыл бұрын

I restarted my system and check its properties. I have 16 Gb of ram on chip. Machine must be using virtual ram up to 50 Gb. I tried the clone tool again. It doesn’t do anything now. Zero function.

@JuanPerez-sv8qs Жыл бұрын

Good day Anthony. Out of frustration I left my computer off for the past 2 days. I tried Luminar NEO and the clone stamp tool again today and… now it works exactly as it is supposed to. I have no explanation. Again, thank you for your excellent tutorials!

@jerrycurtis98 Жыл бұрын

I think Skylum is digging a hole for itself with that Extension package. I paid $107 for the program, but I'm not going to pay $179+ for the Extensions. Those features should have been included in the program. Adobe and others put improvements into their updates. Maybe I would buy individual Extensions for $25 each, if that were a possibility - maybe. I wonder if they thought about what features to leave out of the base program so they could charge for them later. I like your tutorials - very informative.

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

Thanks Jerry. Yeah, maybe we'll see the extensions split out into individual purchases in the future...

@lifeofluke6279 Жыл бұрын

Hi, do you watermark your photos when you send them over to a client for proofing, would you recommend it for me to do. I am starting my own air bnb photography business. Sorry for all my questions :)

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

Hi Luke. Yes, I watermark my proofs. Low res, watermark and border that contains the filename. That serves 2 purposes. Easy reference and harder to use.

@lifeofluke6279 Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyTurnham Thank you, once they have decided the proofs they like and you have to do a full edit on them, do you then watermark the final photos for them to have a final say if thry are going to buy them and then you send them the final version without a watermark

@davidparker7156 6 ай бұрын

can you clone from one picture to another picture?

@julioestebanperezescudero6246 Жыл бұрын

When dealing with perspective in Photoshop there is vanishing point. Does Luminar have a similar tool when dealing with stronger perspective?

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

You cam adapt perspective with the transform tool within develop but it's not the same as the VP tool in Photoshop.

@julioestebanperezescudero6246 Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyTurnham Thanks for your clarification. 🙏

@elisestewart6202 Жыл бұрын

How do I do just you basic 1 step undo… Command + Z or Control + Z in Lumina Neo ?

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

As I mention in the video, for some reason this function has currently been overlooked.

@JanWright Жыл бұрын

ANyone having problems with latest release open an image it closes edit a photo it closes if you try and export it says proccesing and locks up tried on a few pc all the same

Жыл бұрын

Hi. I'm using Luminar Neo as a plugin for Photoshop. I am not convinced of the benefits of AI of Neo. Cloning and erasing looks like poor version of competitive tools in Photoshop (and some other applications). Can you tell some words about getting benefits of Neo's AI?

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

Hi Marek, I've covered this in several videos already. If you have PS and are comfortable with it then no reason to change. If you're just getting started, NEO (rather than AI) is a really great choice.

@donaldturnbull654 Жыл бұрын

I can't seem to get the Clone tool to work on my laptop. It is a Dell Inspiron 7500 2n1 with 16 GB of ram and Windows 11. I click on the source but I can't get it to actually paint anything. Can you help?

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

Hi Donald. Not sure why that would be I'm afraid. Try the Skylum help desk, they may know something I don’t. Best of luck!

@MrFirstdance2000 Жыл бұрын

I'm really not liking it yet. I was use to using the clone tool that Photoscape XPro has and there's no delay and I click on and off without having to go back and reset it each area of the pic I want to delete something. Now, let it be said that it's new and perhaps I've not gone around the learning curve enough, yet. I'll rewatch yours and one more to see if its something simple I'm missing! Thank you, though, for your invaluable tutorials!

@phlotographer Жыл бұрын

MFD -- nice to see someone else using PSX Pro. The one thing I have not good in the program is their cloning but likely I just am not doing things correctly. Would be nice if someone created a tutorial related to this topic. I have NEO and with a new super duper computer I likely will soon start using it although I do like PSX and have created my own user manual and if I can figure out how to use cloning better will have to add a section to it. I view everything I can for both all of the Skylum Luminar iterations as well as PSX Pro but there is just a lacking of tutorials for PSX at the moment. Like the ability to do text etc plus frames. Hope to see a response because I have not been viewing tutorials for about 9 months since being hospitalized 2 months and more time learning to walk again after an auto accident plus redoing my system after my son created an excellent computer for this old goat.

@rather-reverend Жыл бұрын

Hope the Missus didn't catch you before you made the lovely lady disappear! ;-)

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

😬😄

@RJMCTV Жыл бұрын

Hello. Am considering getting Luminar, but surprised this is being billed as a 'new' feature in 2022. I realise this is not Photoshop.. but haven't tools like this been available in PS for many many years? It's kind of putting me off getting Luminar, in that now wondering if this app is not up to speed as other modern photo editing apps, if cloning is something that is very new for Luminar? Can you reassure me?

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

Hiya. Yeah it was a bit of an odd one, but Luminar put a lot of faith in their erase technology which uses AI to do what cloning does manually. However, cloning is still a better option and finally it made its way back into NEO. I wouldn't let this put you off though as most of their other technology is excellent and they're often being followed. For example the AI sky replacement was in Luminar long before Photoshop. The enhance AI has been mimicked by other apps. The clone tool was an anomaly. Hope that helps 😀

@RJMCTV Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyTurnham perfect..and yep makes sense. I am definitely going to give Luminar Neo a go. Nothing to lose, as they offer a 30 day money back, and it's not that expensive either on the monthly plan, to give it a try. Thanks

@Hillol Жыл бұрын

Nice video Anthony. Great learning again. Your wife is beautiful. My best wishes to her.

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

@leotrotzky Жыл бұрын

Without undo-redo Command-Z, this tool is incomplete. Any idea when this will be coming?

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

Hi Danny. I've posed the question and am currently waiting to hear back. The closing of the tool and opening a new instance is a satisfactory workaround for saving history states in the meantime.

@grahamtowers5513 Жыл бұрын

I've tried this on a photo containing cattle in a field with a wire fence across the bottom of my photo, I decided to clone the grass to remove the fence as these cattle had very long horns and I wanted it to look like they weren't fenced in as I cloned across the fence it brought in the legs and hooves of some cattle, I hadn't even selected thier hooves just a patch of grass, I gave up tryng in the end as it wasn't working

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

You may have had the feathering of the brush too high and therefore picking up and replicating the pixels in the periphery without realising. Perhaps try resampling (alt + click / opt + click on mac) new areas as you go too. In my experience it's a really reliable way to patch up an image and remove unwanted distractions. I'd give it another try.

@grahamtowers5513 Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyTurnham Tried again with a different picture & got exactly the same result, clone doesn't work. I have no idea what you mean with feathering, I'm just not good at editing

@laurastreetmedia5299 Жыл бұрын

Have you ever made a luminar video about how to deal with the multi gigs of data that builds up after editing photos because it saves each single thing you do as a separate picture? I think when the file gets too full, it crashes and then I have to make a new folder for it and lose things. This has happened multiple times. Love the program, just this stuff is not cool.

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

Hi Laura. I'm not sure what you mean by "it saves each single thing you do as a separate picture". Where is it saving these pictures to? Are you on Mac or PC? Thanks.

@laurastreetmedia5299 Жыл бұрын

@Anthony Turnham thanks, I'm not real tech savy. As far as I can tell It saves each edit as a separate file in the luminar folder on my windows PC. I have had to clear it a few times because one time it was 20G! Hope that helps.

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

@@laurastreetmedia5299 Hi Laura. I'm going to take a guess that you've found the catalogue's previews folder. At a glance it'll look like a few versions of every image. If you catalogue has a lot of photo, even though these previews are smaller in dimensions and filesize, they can quickly add up. 20gb isn't unusual. Personally to avoid bloated catalogues I prefer to create seperate catalogues for my different genres. Family, landscape, architecture etc. sometimes even making new catalogues just for specific jobs.

@laurastreetmedia5299 Жыл бұрын

@Anthony Turnham yes, that is it. I'm really surprised at how crippling this was for my computer data and wasn't aware of it before I purchased it, but i really love luminar these last few years and will stick with it because I don't think I'm capable of learning the more technical programs and your tutorials are showing me even more than I thought was able to be done with it. Excellent channel. Thanks for the replies.

@geofffoote1146 Жыл бұрын

This seems to be a very basic implmentation of clone & stamp. No setting to make the source non-aligned &, as has been mentioned many times, no ctrl-z to undo the last strokes.

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

Hi Geoff. Thanks for the comment. Just checking what you mean about making the source non-aligned? Cheers.

@geofffoote1146 Жыл бұрын

@@AnthonyTurnham Hi Anthony, in Affinity Photo there is an aligned source option which can be checked or unchecked. When selected (default), the origin of the sample remains a fixed distance from the pointer. If this option is off, the origin of the sample always returns to the sample location defined initially. This can be useful at times to avoid repeated reselection of the clone source.

@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын

@@geofffoote1146 Ah, yes. Thanks for clarifying. I know exactly what you mean.