Haha

Probably 4. Number 3 was reborn

@@dolod777 I think the major ones were 6.82(reborn), 7.00( added talent trees), 7.22(Aghanim's specter for everyone), 7.32 (Aghanim's shard), 7.33(map expantion), I we might even be able to break it into even smaller eras if we tried, but dota 4 is too low, lol

I played since dota 1 and after a 10 year break I could still basically recognise everything, except for neutral items and talents i suppose. Most heroes worked exactly how I remember. This is the most serious change I've ever seen lol

@@GrubyTolek I think that's the beauty of dota is that even with major patches like these a lot of the heroes still retain their identities and function the same as how they originally did. I feel like not a lot of games can undergo such drastic changes without altering so much of the original identity.

Grubbo.... the Dota is still in your PCoket.

@@GrubbyTalks 😆✌️

@@GrubbyTalks we are sharing the same problem, can't bring myself to uninstall it lmao

almost 12 hours

When Grubby said about "some people doing over 10 hours videos" I immediately thought about Purge

I know what video I'm about to watch :)

And I love it! All of the people complaining never played dota for over a year 😂

Yeap. Also valve isn't afraid to experiment. Worst case they can roll back the update. And even if players dont return they still got that steam money, they wont be in any hurt whatsoever.

This.

That makes a lot of sense!

​@@GrubbyTalks Yeah, i nolifed last 2 days, played like 7 or 8 games (i have 3 kids, wife and my own business xD) after patch dropped. Havent played since... Like 2 years

I played a few games on the weekends and then dont olay for months 🥲​@@Thalaranthey

My friend list is filled with people playing now.

Or the oposite

That's really interesting lol.. don't you tell him? That the world has changed

@@GrubbyTalks It's funnier to see his live reaction.

Zeus uses manta now??

Ye, arc lightning every auto with shard that applies on illu. I would buy 6 manta on Zeus if possible.. It feels so good to hit those autos.

@@OfekAzulay gives him the ability to farm faster and push waves with the shard + illusions combo

The issue might be that in league, every matchup is playeable, thus if one champion is broken, it's really hard to counter if the player is on equal/better skill level. In dota you can just counterpick/itemize in a way that just neutralizes the manace

*sven laugh*

It's in the inherent design philosophy of the game. In league, there are several aspects that make balance such a razor-thin wire in contrast to dota: 1) League inherently has less mechanics (when I say mechanics I mean stuff like high-ground vs low-ground, day-night cycle, neutral items, illusion based heroes, etc. etc.), meaning champions in League have fewer niches to be balanced around. For example, Nightstalker in dota is balanced around the day-night cycle which simply doesn't exist in League. 2) Champions are designed to fit a certain class archetype, meaning item build diversity is reduced and team comp diversity is reduced. In dota, draft counters are more obvious such as Slardar's ult providing true sight over a target which counters many heroes that like to go invisible. 3) Simplified items; League does not like strong unique items especially with actives on them. Dota has these items which can drastically change the way heroes play and are used to more heavily counter-build opponents. E.g. If Rikki can't go invisible because of Slardar's ult, he can purchase any number of items that provide him a dispel (self-cleanse) so that he can remove the true sight. There's a lot more than this, but these are some of the fundamental aspects that make League not adaptable to change. It's what shoehorns league into a 1-1-1-2 lane composition. It's what makes League so snowbally. It's what makes a stale pro-meta where there's very few deaths, very little action, and the game is decided by 1 teamfight that let's the enemy push down 3 turrets and nexus. And the few times League was able to innovate their macro, what happened? Master Yi + Taric funneling was removed. Support items and jungle smite have been heavily restricted. Janna top was nerfed. Small things that people were able to abuse just completely broke League as a game because there's so little choice of counterplay in any drafting or itemization options offered by League.

On the flipside, you can quit League and come back with most of your knowledge and skills intact, I can guarantee the complexity-creep from all these big updates does drive new players away, MOBAs were always complex but the simplicity of '4 abilities and 6 item slots' helped form a playerbase back in the day.

@@glimmerkepu It does. Accessibility is definitely League's strength, though at times I feel like Riot could do with leaning a bit more to the complexity side of things. They already have a very established and loyal fanbase and a lot of players are craving for more. TFT and Arena are just two things they managed to capitalize on in the entirety of League's lifespan.

More like Heroes of legends 2 with the new passives

Och hush you complainers. Copying hood parts about other games with new spin is literally the best thing they could do. Also patch is SUPER fun

​@@Thalaranthey i dont see it as complaing, i see it like sorta natural evolution Im glad dota2 is on that track and hope it will compel lol to change more and maybe we get new era of better mmos

Heroes of the Legendry NewDotA 2 if we implement much more personas that barely recognize the base character like Heroes of Newerth

He used to play but quit due to toxicity.

aghs also used to just numerically buff a select few heroes ults and iirc not anything else. Honestly this is what games as a service should be, not just maintenance but a live growing game, this is the kind of thing that makes you wish you were still a kid and actually had time to invest in a game. Yeah as with any change you'll turn some people off but imo it's better to die evolving that dwindle in stagnation.

You used to be required to buy couriers. First it became a thing in low level pubs that people use chicken couriers at all, then the meta became only 1 guy buys the chicken for everyone. You could also use items from the courier, dagon crow became a pubstomping thing. At one point I think Valve even supported that by giving flying couriers mana at base.

@@lagg1e oh yeah i vaguely remember a courier using pipe and cycloning people with euls.

He is too pussy for dota community. Criticism is "toxic' apparently so he sticks to solo games like elden ring now

Not everyone liked the talent trees. We lost the attribute bonuses that were part of the builds. The talents made it easier to balance the hero scalings. With this one, most of the scaling of passive ablities is lost. It's the same type of change as the talents and there will be a % of players that don't like it. The narrative is that they add more RNG amd decrease skill options, so player skills are more limited to APM vs inovative strategies. But sure, let them try and convince us otherwise.

​@@TheUnkowhow do they add rng

​@@TheUnkow the talents do make strategies more innovative, no? That's how you innovate: give more options. I think you just don't like that your builds are counterable. I think this is how Dota 2 should be balanced.

@@zacsubach What can you pick on level 1? Skill 1, 2 or 3 ... What could you pick on level 1 before? Skill 1, 2, 3 or Attribute bonus. The branches of decision were far and wide with those bonuses, people could ignore bad skills or skills that weren't fit for their build and get +10 to stats (ultimate orb). Leshrac without lightning, ShadowFiend without first skill, Weaver without the useless spiders, Phantom Assassin was a mennace without the first skill (they had to make the dagger overpowerred so people would actually start picking it), Chaos Knight with only level 1 stun (more stats were amazing on illusions), Luna without the first skill ... yes, there is a reason they linked the first skill to the ulti ... because she didn't need it otherwise, except for maybe the interupt (if it had one) ... I can go on and on, some builds as I say were not too common, but were actually viable. The talents were an interesting change, eye catching yes, but what it made is, it gave the illusion of diversity where the diversity is visual, while the gameplay strategical opportunities were lowered.

@@TheUnkow you can still pick atributes level 1 no one does that ever

Reverse reverse polarity instantly crosses my mond 😂😂😂

Stop trying to goad him into jumping back into this toxic cesspool.

@@HighLanderPonyYT not all people are toxic like you. We just miss him making dota content like this.

@@HighLanderPonyYT stop being toxic by telling people what to do.

@@moebino2685 stop being toxic by telling commentors what to do. Boo hoooo

@@hypno5690 grow up

Don't tempt me Nabil

I laughed out loud when I read his innate was predicting the rune spawn side

that would be great so my friend don't need to coach party anymore and just watch us the whole time XD

Far Sight is already a thing! But it’s locked behind a tier 5 neutral item, the Seer Stone, which cannot be found before 60 mins game time.

fun for new player

It's not easy. I found learning League was actually too hard, while learning DOTA2 still at the same time. It's really hard!

@@GrubbyTalks my wife started watching league since worlds and I’m amazed she is really into it now without playing the game. I really want to get into Dota2 so you have any intro videos ?

Firetoad? You mean snowfrog?

@@mathieutaillefer8418snow frog? Do you mean water peeper?