Yup , right there

I literally could not play the single player the other day, as the servers failed to verify I owned the game. I've owned the game for 20 years and it is tied to my Bnet. Disgusting business practice

Good thing they learned their lesson by Overwatch 2...

Correct. The fact you can’t play tft anymore was the worse thing in the whole reforged saga

Yeah, bad remakes/remasters come out all the time and the argument people give to defend their existence is always "You can still go back and play the original, the remake doesn't effect you if you don't buy it," but for WC3 that's not even true. The only way to access pre-reforged WC3 anymore if you don't already have an old install of it is to pirate it, nice job Blizzard.

I used to want to get into (Blizzard) QA because it kinda fits me. Tell me three things I missed out on?

@@GrubbyTalks Hi, never worked at Blizzard specifically, but I was at Take 2, Xbox, EA, and now Pokemon. Things you missed in games QA were a combination of low pay, no respect, limited upward mobility, and first to be laid off for contractors or offshoring. It's def not all bad, and I think it was much better than working at a bank or something, but it wears on you over time. However working at Pokemon is a breath of fresh air and truly one of the greatest companies to work for in the world. If only they made better products that I could be proud to have my name on. Nothing is perfect I guess.

excellent game. the only problem with the old w3 was people using Map Hak. I couldn't play

My co-workers call it pre-TSD as in you can see the bullshit coming even before it happens. There is nothing you can do because nobody who has power is listening yet you're the one who gets all the consequence.

@@seekittycat That's why you need to run away from projects led by people with "anything else other than making a good game" reasoning for why they are involved. I like the "pre-TSD" Imma start using that one if you don't mind :DD

Yeah thats probably the reason custom maps were such a big part of WC3 with of course DotA even leading to a whole new genre of games itself.

Where can I look at the code of WC3?

@@ageoflove1980 It also lead to League of Legends. Some oldtimers might still remember that the first DotA community hub was administrated by Pendragon, who then got a job at Riot and nuked the website.

because warcraft had an actual lore with real deal story tellers prior to wow everything elese is the fallout

It's because of MOBA's and being scared of that happening again.

I would say it's more of 'don't fix what isn't broken' instead of the bare minimum. ;)

StarCraft Remaster was made by the same team that later made remaster for C&C. For Reforged Blizzard hired other ppl.

Koreans didn't allow them to change anything else and they were smart about it. Somewhere is the development of wc3r something went so overblown and undercut. Maybe they believed themselves too much. I still hope they might do something about it, even thought it's so much effort to fix it now that probably nobody will bother. So bottom line is they listened to the community first for SC:R

i replied to someone else's comment with a long explanation but there is an actual answer to the mystery of how bliz can do such a good job remastering one game and then so terribly doing the next one; if remastering the first one made the realize they dont want to remaster games basically scr went about as well as it could have possibly gone & gave the nonces (kotick is on the black book) that run blizzard a clear picture of how much money a wc3 remaster could make and it just, wasn't going to be enough. blizzard doesnt want to make beloved games that people (expensively) play forever, they want to make enough money for the executives to be able to afford to go to Epstein's island and pay to feast on the innocent. so they shitcanned the project -- but being the boss overseeing a project that gets cancelled isn't a career advancer, so instead they just ran the project into the ground to kick it out the door as cheaply as possible (letting an artist do what they want with the visual design is cheaper than making them recreate somebody else's style exactly), and then when it flopped the guy in charge of budgeting who ruined the game by refusing to fund it got to go "see? im a genius for refusing to put money into the ship that i sank", and got a big fat raise out of it.

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holy shit, it does

this

The fact that this comment is hearted speaks volumes.

Blizzard has 7 mil active subscribers just in WoW, not mentioning other popular Blizzard games, meaning it's far from dead, perhaps people who worked in Blizzard and created it - they are no longer there, that's your reason I assume why you said blizzard is dead. On the other hand wc3 is not far from being dead, very low amount of people keep playing it.

@@vladimirkovalcik7504copium is strong with this one. What they meant is, blizzard as a company who cared about their players and were putting their soul in their products is no longer there. The 7 mill (prob much less, but not the point) of the people that still play wow, are in denial about what they dreaming about blizzard to get better is insane. It’s like seeing your pet die and just leaving it’s corpse around thinking it’s going to wake up at any moment

@@vladimirkovalcik7504 wc3 is as dead its been the last 8-9 years haha, its still awsome and is one of the only games i still play. Perfect RTS for someone that think starcraft is 2 fast.

@@ivandovranic5834 FYI he tends to use the heart button as a "I read this already" marker rather than agreement

Lol I call them the same but I'm not Russian 😅

Well yeah, they're all part of a whole. He's also a pro gamer. The original team understood the concept of visual fidelity, and being able to differentiate units. Especially in an RTS that is heavily focused on micro managing units. Reforged graphics work fine in a game like Red Alert. The devs clearly had no idea. Most of them had probably never played more than 2 hours of WC3

He really gets it

I feel like Blizzard outsourced the new icons to a designer with the task to make a fancier modern version of the existing ones

also having been involved in these kinds of graphical design processes i can tell you; companies doing remasters of old games hold up them doing new graphical designs instead of just up-ressing the old designs as if it's a value-add, but it isn't; what it actually is is them not being given the budget to recreate the old look if you want a high quality recreation of the old visual design that's far more expensive. you have to first find an artist who has the skill to produce what you're looking for, pay for an initial product to prove that he can get it within a ballpark of what you're looking for, then pay for revisions to dial it in. and there's multiple different types of graphic go into a game like WC3 -- the work you put in to get an art pipeline set up to do the model designs doesn't translate at all to icons, or visual effects, or sounds, or ground textures what instead happens when your publisher or the bosses approving your budget have already decided your project will fail, is they will reject your budget for re-creating the old game's graphical design using expensive but skilled artists whose skills moved them to the first world where they can demand a high price for quality AAA output, and order you to just go buy the services of a mobile phone mill in the third world whose whole sales pitch for their work is that their time is cheap. so you go & look for phone game artists who make asset packs for fantasy themed games, find a portfolio that looks like of like a modern version of warcraft (pretty easy to do since "offbrand warcraft" is a starting point for many graphic designers' portfolios), and when you send the budget for *that* person's B- services alongside their portfolio the boss rejects THAT budget too and tells you to just buy the assets in the portfolio, approving you to have revisions done on the worst of the assets they give you, recieving a product that runs the gammot from a D to a C- warcraft reforged is basically an asset flip, pasted over top one of the most beloved games of all time. probably what happened is the sc1 remaster went too well. essentially it went as well as it could have possibly gone, and didn't make enough money to compete with candy crush (which it was never going to), indicating to the bosses that no amount of effort put in to the wc3 remaster would actually make it worth doing, so they smothered it in the crib -- they've already started on it so it'd be a waste of money to just cancel it (0 ROI doesn't put the boss in a position to leverage a raise for ruining the project), so instead they kick it out as cheaply as possible while still having technically shipped a product. the community will hate it, but the bosses don't care because they and the shareholders don't give a f how the community feels about a project if their feelings about that project can't be converted into billions of dollars of microtransaction sales from children with unsupervised access to their parent's credit cards. plus, if they release it and it is universally hated, it makes everyone who *made* it be universally hated by underfunding it seem like geniuses for having underfunded it if the starcraft remaster had done better they could have imagined that maybe if the wc3 remaster does better it'll outsell fortnite or w/e coke dream they're cobbling together in the boardroom, but it made too visible how much money is in the remaster game for them and they just decided they aren't interested

​​​@@tabula_rosaI think the designers would be very bored just up-rezzing stuff, so they asked for some creative freedom. It worked in some item designs like grubby mentioned, but yes I agree in general it's very difficult to pull off unless the designer is very talented and the proper budget and time for iterations are catered.

Subbed when you asked me too. You're my influencer grubs

100% made up

art direction will always be more important than visual realism

Did he Karen, did he say that?

Don't force they pronouns on 8 year olds.

Why don’t they fix it… from the mouth of babes.

Oh hi Mark!

Really, WHAT THE HELL? Even I, as Blizzard was a broke indie company, I would pay Grubby a proper salary for this.

They at least could have been a more tactful about it. Sending bits and pieces of the ones they thought were the worse. You can manage doing like 10-20 in an e-mail. Sending a file of like 100+ icons is rough man. Tbh, they really should have hired him properly for just a month or something, so grubby could have improved it

I think they were more desperate than deranged.

and yet they got my money... i played 3hours before giving up. Sad

Counterpoint, Starfield.

1946 Hiroshima comes pretty close to wc3 reforged tbh

@@gabenvandenbrink9114 How is that a gaming history fail?

You would lower the volume I would increase it We are not the same

@@Dhomden mom n neighbours

It really was a fun and learning experience, as often I was told if something felt wrong they needed me to explain like you did/are doing in the video.

Thinking of incorporating loot boxes & subscription with wc3 😂

people are important. companies are not. dont trust companies. creators are getting old, leave companies. companies become different enteties when time pases and people go. stop trusting brands and look for products/people. Larian made BG3, great project. But what if their staff goes away, like 90% of it and Sven is going away? Should you trust them? No

Because the people that made those legendary games are mostly gone. Microsoft can potentially pour some money into fixing this, but that's on them. Would you rather risk that amount of money to salvage a product with a tarnished reputation or would you rather invest it in something that is new that will potentially give them a higher chance of making profits? That's pretty much what they are thinking. Granted they did express interest in reviving old titles so there is a possibility that wc3 could get fixed, but I'm not holding my breath. It's better to move on to greener pastures and accept that the old Blizzard is dead and play other games worth your time rather than keep setting yourself up for disappointment. If we are proven wrong that they do fix their products, then great! We have a reason to come back. Otherwise it's time to move on.

Nope. You can't fix this mess. You have to go back and start from WC3 again. That costs definitely more than just 2 mil. The whole design approach is different. WC3 focused on the playability of the game. Grubby explains many things don't look because of art reasons the way the do. WC3 reforged tried to look good and take a lot from genres where you navigate a 3d environment. What ends up happening is that you simply have no clue what is happening an the screen. It's like trying understand what is happening in a raid. It's not that the mechanics are complex but effects and people are all over the place. You have zero visibility and without addons and understanding of them simply no clue what is happening around you, not to speak of a birds view and you trying to understand what every unit does individually. The best way to do this is take the old engine and improve it for modern hardware. That way you have the old graphics at low settings and have modern textures for higher settings. But that way you are also limited by the old engine and can't replace models the way they did it. But let's be honest, no one wants them with worse gameplay anyways.

What's the problem with hiring some professional gamers/influencers and paying them enough compensation to let them advise on game development? Why don't we do this more often? That's such simple and community-oriented feedback.

I have always found it dumb that they merged the clients at all.

You really have any hope for Warcraft 4 at this point? Oh my sweet Summer child......

I wish I still had enough optimism to believe there will ever be a WC4.

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also as a wc3 nerd my whole life I would of much perferd if they just made classic with better graphics rather than a junky Reskin of everything