At this point you may as well make an entire different game that mimics the features of minecraft but let's you explore the entire universe like in space engine

Minecraft players a decade ago: wow this is such a fun and expansive game! Minecraft players now: *has existential crisis about the scale of the universe*

If you were going to build your own chunk system, use transformation matrices as the location of a chunk. For example, a given chunks center is located at some massive BigInteger value, and the blocks in that chunk coordinates are all local based. Each blocks xyz could be 10, 10,10 but thats the distance away from the center of that chunk. Using BigIntegers to represent the coordinates of each block of every chunk will be a massive heap memory issue. The chunk could also be a planet, a star, etc, as the concept applies regardless. Using transformation matrices allows you to mutiply by translation matrices (3d rotation, 3d shear) to manipulate a chunk if needed.

I'm a few hours late to the party, but it was really fun playing around with the BigInteger/BigDecimal class as, most Java developers *very rarely* use it (Most of the time, we never go past Long limits), I actually had to resort to looking into the code of BigInteger/BigDecimal itself, and do deep dives of over 12+-year-olds articles/book sections to fully understand the limitations of this number. Even then I still don't really have an answer... (Solve that equation in the video, it solves to infinity) but generally, the limit (explained in English and not in the equation form from the video) is an array (Which can hold up to 2,147,483,647 elements) of Integers, yeah its stupidly large, I never really hit a HEAP issue, I have 64GB but I actually ran into a Number type exception (I Don't remember the exact exception that was thrown at the time) around the 300 million 0's mark (The number took about 3-4GB in HEAP from my profiler, and only took ~1,100,000 entries in the BigInteger array out of the 2,147,483,647 available elements) Profiler Screenshot: imgur.com/a/aPsu75m Though, you only need a number with 300 zeroes to do this (This is being *EXTREMELY* generous, I CANNOT stress how generous im being here, the number is even multiple times large than the cubic meters of the observable universe). So you would likely never even see a number being close to this high, you can argue you can do it with ~100 zeroes. Do note I'm not using mathematical names here (Like sexvagiliion lol), these numbers are far too large to care anymore, your gonna be working with scientific notation from now on. Here's a step-by-step guide (And invitation for other willing devs), on how you will want create this Minecraft fork: 1) Obtain unobfuscated, Minecraft Beta/Alpha code base. 2) Removed all collisions, entities, etc to make it easier to write data and handle the numbers we're gonna be dealing with (Credit to Daniel Pirkl for reminding us we can do this, as there are no cows or zombies on in space! Unless...) 3) Awesome! Go through the 10s of thousands of lines of code MC has now (your lucky you chose a beta version if you did 1.19 you would work with hundreds of thousands), to convert everything to BigInteger (This will be a LOT of work, not hard, but just a lot of replacing basic 1+1 with BigInteger#add BigInteger#subtract calls) 4) Beta/Alpha sucks for block palettes (For what we want to do at least), add the 1.7-1.19 blocks you want to this custom fork you now have 5) Backport any additional features from the newer version you want in (EG Textures, lighting, QoL stuff like command blocks, etc) 6) Create a world generator for this, Good luck LMAO, whoever can create a universe-like generator, that can procedurally generate random planets, stars asteroids & more, while also accurately generating things like pillars of creation that already exist in the universe, is a MAJOR MAJOR technological feat in and that of itself, in fact, you could argue this alone might not even be possible, but there's some corner cutting you can do: 6A) You can have pre-generated schematics for various astrologicalobjectst, and justchange theire coloring and whatnot based what they're are, you would have a very very broad range of life-sized planets & clouds that would get pasted into the world, to achieve a sense of "Random universe", and in a sense it *is* kinda random this way, but in its cor,e its just a bunch of similar schematics with slightly differentvariationss to it (Which, in realit,y is all planets are, balls of rock/gas with different chemical makeups and colors) Some games already do this for things like terrain, Rust does this for its cliffs! 7) Awesome, you got all this running, and your probably well over 2,000 hours invested into this project already. You likely have a whole team now as this is stupid to do alone, now its time to figure out whos gonna cover the server hosting costs, the storage you're gonna go through WILL be insane, but its definitely do-able (Imagine storing 100, and likely thousands of 2b2t servers or more in a datacenter). Expensive, but doable You'l start off cheap of course, maybe a few hundred GB, but as players teleport and explore around, you can guarantee that gonna hit Terrabyte's soon enough, even petabytese given enough time! These are just the basics, there's much much more that goes on into this than just these 7 things of course, but its a good starting direction if anyone wants to try and even attempt this... I see a lot of good comments though in how to do this, my discord is Dalton#0404 if anyone has any bright ideas for this, or wants to give it a whack/discuss this further, there is only so much I can say in a youtube comment before it starts to become unreasonable for a YT comment.

As far as your hard drive, filling up, you could just make it so that the game only saves any chunk/block data if the player actually edits something. If you don't edit something, it won't save the data to storage, but it'll still be able to recreate that area based on the procedural generation.

I propose the idea of using megameters (1 000km) or gigameters (1 000 000km) or even terameters (1 000 000 000km) instead of the standard minecrafts units of 1m while teleporting. I think units should be configurable with settings, depending on how precisely you'd want to move.

Pippen casually dropping a magnum opus like it’s just an average Tuesday. In fact, it’s Saturday really.

I think it'd work better with a program called Minetest which is like a open source minecraft clone made to very modifable. It would be a lot easier to jerry rig that kind of stuff into it.

"we may have been born too early to explore the stars but it's not too late to see the late and not in the right three condition two with and XR finger brain fork" - pippen 2022 so much inspiring...

"We have only mapped 1% of the stars in our galaxy." Megalodon people: "so you're saying there's a chance."

Pippen never seizes to amaze us with his insane editing and amazing storytelling. I think we all appreciate his effort into preserving the earth in its current form, digitally. Pippen, please heart this comment.

pippen marveling over the existence of a linear array is the funniest thing

NASA POV: sees video. oh. we dont need to go to mars. we can just play mars in minecraft

Pip: I want to build the whole universe 1:1 His volunteer builders: he wants us to do WHAT?!?

3:14 best part of the video

This is beautiful. I've always dreamt ofthe ability to fly around in the universe and see what's out there. I genuinely want to learn the skills to work towards something like this.

One potential option for planets is that you introduce a fairly simple server teleport system. When you enter within a certain radius of a planet, it does some pretty basic math to transform your position near the blocky round planet into a position on a Terra-1:1 style map. And as long as you're careful not to unwrap the map in a way that creates wierd terrain seems, it should be fine.

Now you gotta build the multiverse 1:1 scale.

Another philosophy lesson let's go.

One of the things that I love about your videos is contemplation. The questions we ask from our curiosity is what drives us forward and can be applied to almost any subject, but especially STEM subjects. Even if you’re wrong or widely inaccurate (as you say in the video), contemplation is what opens the doors to possibility and what ultimately started build the Earth in Minecraft. You didn’t have the skills or knowledge to do it yourself, but you contemplated and spread your ideas to others and collaboration turned it into a reality. That is powerful

I've not finished watching the video and i'm a little dumb but if someone in the far future had the time to build celestial objects on a 1:1 scale across multiple minecraft maps maybe someone could make a mod where you can go across worlds by walking far enough or going high or low enough

The first obvious thing to try concerning storage is to only save chunks that have been modified and just regenerate ones every time that have not been modified.

Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 and Minecraft is an entire World, Kerbal Space Program is an entire Solar System, No Man’s Sky is an entire group of Galaxies, and SpaceEngine is an entire Universe.

Next video: I Figured Out How To Build The Multiverse in Minecraft At 1:1 Scale

Just spent the past month being forced to use BigDecimal/ BigInteger classes in my college java CS class. Since everything is stored internally as strings and Arrays, floating point errors are removed. However, since its not a primitive, the value is stored in the heap which now becomes a issue of maximum ram and performance issues.

on the front of storage; the solution is to not store it! well, more specifically, we only store it if you edit the chunk. that way you could explore a literally infinite area and it would take no storage on your hard drive, the only time it would if if you placed a block in a 16x16x16 area, and then only that area gets saved

Every video he gives us a reflect on life that makes me think real hard about what he’s saying, not even focusing on the actual point of the video, it’s real deep, either way top tier content

No Man's Sky is truly an impressive achievement. Pipin, you'd enjoy the hell out of it.

13:19 This part is so funny out of context because he literally suggests to put a flat earth in a 1:1 representation of the universe

Can someone answer this for me but taking a step back from the universe in minecraft, what if you could program a dog in minecraft, for example what if some dogs were aggressive toward cats and some arent ?

This guy turns minecraft build videos into an existential crisis

That number you showed was so big that it’s infinitely scarier to me than any Freddy Krueger, Michael Myers, or leather face etc…😊

bro this guy must hav had a 100 page document for all the video scripts he has done so far

Even though it was a one second clip, you should play ARK, because it’s like minecraft with dinosaurs and it’s really cool.

Thank you for reminding me that Dark City exists! Time for a rewatch

The fact that this man is gonna have to eventually build Alton towers-

well guess im off to eat a sandvich

Okay as a game dev who actually has thought about stuff pretty similar to this, I feel like I have some things to say about this. First of all, using BigInteger for this sounds like a pretty bad idea. It'll be waaay slower than it needs to be and would all around be way harder than it needs to be. No, instead we introduce something new architecture wise, something I'd call like a "mega chunk" or something. Basically, we divide minecraft worlds into these mega chunks, which are the size of the 32 bit integer limit, then do all calculations relative to these mega chunks while saving which mega chunk were in. If we store the coordinates of our mega chunks as longs (aka 64 bit integers) the max size of our world goes up to 2^32 * 2^64 blocks, which is 7.92281625 * 10^28. The universe is about 10^26 meters across so the universe then comfortably fits inside our minecraft world. (In fact you could fit around like a million universes in this minecraft world)

the one big problem with this is that the universe contains lots of spheres and round things, and minecraft is very flat and has signle direction gravity. it would probably require an entirely new block game to get a satisfying space sim out of it, unless everything becomes a flat earthers wet dream

"And I have no clue what I said" Laughs in java user

Maybe the reason why I starting to lost motivation in playing Minecraft is because I started playing other games. Excluding the daily life activity, I often play other games other than Minecraft, this drastically decrease my play time on Minecraft; because normally when I got bored on Minecraft, I will do other real life stuff instead of choose another game to play. However new games does give me inspiration on what to do in my world though. (sorry for the long passage, just wanted to share my thoughts over the weeks)

3:06 I can believe it since in one of your worlds you played it for 0.81 YEARS in a single world

You're crazy. But I'm happy that there are crazy people like you in the world

I have an idea for the positional data: relative centres. Start all the universe off at some point (we can chose it to be the centre of the solar system, the centre of the sun, the centre of the milky way galaxy, the centre of the local group, et cetera), but then we have a distance in X,Y,Z format, to the centre of the location we are using as our "localised" centre of orientation. This could be done down to the planet, making it easy to teleport along a planet's surface using planetary coordinates. You could warp around your stellar system from planet to planet. You could warp around the galaxy star to star. It would likely require some interesting transforms, but you could store most of it down to the absolute level. Obviously, you wouldn't reasonably be teleporting a lightyear in the positive X relative to a planet, but this could likely have some limitations like, "You cannot leave planetary orbit without switching to stellar coords," and it drops you off at the distance of its furthest orbiting body in the direction you were going with some output of the necessary level relative coordinates to get to that place. In conclusion: there's a lot to unpack here, but also a lot to pack up relatively! We just have to manage precision errors and the potential of increasing integer sizes making normal travel a stuttery nightmare at far distances like in Minecraft due to precision limitations. The relative coords could help, admittedly, but I dunno how much.

Why does Pippen sound so dang inspiring?

I like the idea of the video. Take minecraft. Make a mod that changes 99% of the game. Say it's still minecraft after xD

You might as well be the narrator to the universe

Next idea: Multiverse in Minecraft. Make infinite amounts of universes.

Average hermit craft base

I am more surprised to see map of croatia at 1:00 than a whole universe in minecraft

this video is amazing, I do want you to play no man’s sky though, don’t be afraid. The atlas is watching.

okay, build the earth, just build the earth 1 to 1 scale, that's good enough

4:28 "Lots of other programs do this too..." Inlcuding Minecraft

Hey Pippenfts. Have you ever heard of a channel called wbc builds? It may be of interest to you, a smaller channel focused on realism and building a world focused on the early 20th century (1912). There are tons of lost landmarks on there and never built monuments that were proposed during 1912 and before. There is also a fair bit of lore behind everything too. Thanks for your time if you read this!

this man uses an absrurd amount of stock footage.

That big integer probably just puts many long's together, very simple and very effective

The fact that this is how we talk about a video game makes me feel like I don't want to know how NASA talks about real life space.......

About the storage issue, you can just do what google maps basically did, which is all the map is saved on the server (which has almost an unlimited storage) and when a user approach somewhere the server just sends him the chunks and voila, the user doesn’t need to save local data

I see a possible solution to chunk loading, load chunks you're close too, save the changes made, delete them once you're further away, and if you ever come back, use the data of the changes made to regenerate those chunks.

Now imagine the possibilities, literally No Mans Sky in minecraft, or starbound (but its minecraft and 3d!!!!) And then imagine all the possibilities with planet generation, mods, space exploration, mobs, biomes and more! One small issue though: the universe will most likely be a static world, and absolutely filled with quadrillions of blocks of emptiness inbeetween stars

I just want to highlight that the No Man's Sky thing about seeing another players discovery is actually wrong, it's actually extremely common to see planets and systems that players have discovered as the game starts every player in the same general area (obviously still a very large area because.. Space.) but it's as you jump farther and farther away that you stop seeing player discoveries as often. (there's also a player Atlas and coordinates and teleporters so it's pretty common to see a hub of player creations on a well known planet that has either rare resources or a unique item that players want)

1:35 - 4:09 :My teacher explaining to me why a square is a square

I kinda have a solution for the loading or not the chunks: while you fly through the universe the chunks aren’t loaded, but when you approach a celestial body then it loads and you can explore it or explode it or whatever.

2005 was almost 20 years ago... thx for making me feel old

This is absolutely madness

If this works out, this is more insane then some of the most important creations in the history of the universe.

No man’s sky is genuinely one of my favorite games of all time

My 3 braincells just turned into 2

I never thought a Minecraft youtuber would talk about SpaceEngine. I absolutely love to play this game.

One day we will have that data gathered by trillions of self-replicating probes at the end of space at the end of time we will have ad very close digital representation of the entire universe and for a while before the end, it will glories.

The whole idea is absolutely nuts! Then I read through Doltons comment and it's even more so, my brain is too tiny to comprehend this!

7:16 me and my bad humour 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

9:52 Weirdly enough I've been obsessing all day trying to remember the word antithetical and I just happen to hear it in your video lmao.

Great video! I knew you were not going to dissapoint! I really hope some crazy humongous-brained madlads give this absolute madness of an idea a try because this would be absolutelly insane to see.

Earth being flat works quite a bit better than other planets being flat. On Earth, we have the luxury of being able to mostly ignore the oceans. There are vast stretches of abyssal plain that are just not interesting to us. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said of other celestials. Their surfaces are mostly land.

I've already been working on a procedural generation engine not too far off of what No Mans Sky uses, at least in practice, for my server, I could easily adapt it to generate whole new *types* of worlds on the fly for a server. Mind you this is some dark magic to make it work, and is really *really* finicky, but it will be vanilla-client compatible, as it already is in testing, basically the system allows a Minecraft Plugin, NOT Mod to register new biomes and terrain on the fly and apply them to a new or (in prototyping testing) preexisting world. While this is all very experimental, I have a small Minecraft Server with it running.

Incredible!

I think the solution lies with immersive portals Have portals around earth (or another planet for that matter) in the universe Portals texture is planet as seen from space, 3d and all. When you pass through them you end up in the planets dimension, where it is flat In fact, with some clever portal usage you can make the Earth circumnavigable. Furthermore, immersive portals allow gor seamless transition between dimension, so no loading screens

You would still need to use a multi world plugin and it would have to be a server. Because some worlds are bigger than earth and would have to be placed on a minecraft world.

13:21 Flat earthers celebrating rn

alright time to get started

This video is the most amazing ad for No Man’s Sky

He's gone completely bonkers

This is getting into the multiverse theory. Eventually, we will create consciousness in minecraft and impliment it into The Universe in Minecraft 1:1 scale

that's great! let's start by disassembling mercury and turning it into a supercomputer!

biginterger and farplane2 with cubic chunks when?

0:34 EVIDENT!!

Well now this makes me want to play No Man’s Sky

Amazing video, speechless

I do have SpaceEngine, the game is beautiful and the price is worth to support the creator!

Maybe the universe generation could be used for world selection. Title screen universe. Each planet could be a world of its own with procedural terrain uniqueness and mob selection to make each planet different, allowing the game to feel like a new experience each time. No Man's Sky in Minecraft.

(Sorry my english isn't good) Have you ever heard about the theory of holographic universe? Maybe use this principle is a good way to save the data of universe. The loading of images without loading the entire chunck an their physics instantly could be a good idea to move through the vacuum

this is just too much insane

Poppens in 10 years be like: i bilister the entire metaverse in Minecraft

Ah yess sexvirgintillion my favourite number as always

Earned sub

i think it would be faster to create a code that takes in google 3d maps into textures and blocks and create it into limited blocks for 1 building so for example 1 building the code would take in the buildings majority colours and its light spots and use selective blocks say a house with bricks red concreete, grass and glass blocks and so on.

"there are 18 quintillion planets so the chances of you finding another player's planet is astronomically low." yet double dash gaming had discovered every single planet I land on

nms is not all that procedurally great. sure theres a lot of planets but most of them look similar to each other and i mean that. each biome is identical to each other to the point it feels like the same planet, theres no equator or biomes within a planet. sure you might get some unique variants but thats all it ammounts to unfortunetly. But there are a lot of interesting biomes though apart from the standard ones like glitched out biomes that are really cool to land on and explore

If it really was 1:1, you wouldnt even get to building further planets like neptune, you'd be dead by then...