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I'm Frustrated With Interviewing.... | Being a Generalist, Job Advice, etc

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CertifiedCurls

CertifiedCurls

Жыл бұрын

I was on a long road trip and wanted to talk about how my transition to Network Security has been going. Let me say it sucks! I have been interviewing like crazy and still haven't been able to find the job I have been looking for. Plus, the jobs I want don't offer me the role due to my lack of experience. I'm just frustrated with interviewing for jobs.
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@brandoj5042
@brandoj5042 Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate your honest and candid videos on the IT industry. For the last 10 years I was a technician for a large ISP and finally realized it’s a dead end career path and decided to transition into IT. With the little bit of networking and general computer troubleshooting I did at my current job I started working on my CCNA in august but also started applying to “entry level” IT jobs at the same time. After a handful of interviews and several out right rejections I finally landed a job with a bank as a field support specialist. (After salary negotiations I’m actually making slightly more than my current job of 10 years!) I start 12/19. It’s perfect for me it’s a generalist role with a mix of remote and deskside support. I get to touch a little bit of everything from software hardware networking and VoIP. My goal is at least 2 years here finish my CCNA and move on from there to a higher level network associate or network engineer role. But once again thanks for sharing your perspective I found your channel around the time I decided to start a career change and it’s been very insightful. Good luck with your job search.
@jonathanleak7263
@jonathanleak7263 Жыл бұрын
Yes this is me right now! I'm the back up to wireless, voip, security, and never specialized in anything. That is until the wireless specialization just opened up, so I'm headed in that direction :)
@certifiedcurls
@certifiedcurls Жыл бұрын
Oh man! I have the utmost respect for folks who specialize in wireless. I cannot understand how y'all do it but you do lol
@treyjuarez4692
@treyjuarez4692 Жыл бұрын
The HunterxHunter plug!! Love Killua 😊 I felt this - from a fellow Network Engineer
@MrJamkev
@MrJamkev Жыл бұрын
This is so weird I had a little self-reflection today about this job-hunting process. I have been a network engineer for the past i would say 7 years, and recently got my cloud certs along with a master's degree in information technology. I am very proficient with AWS, Azure, and currently developing my python skills for automation since I no longer want to even write one line of java (hate it). However, I have been trying to get a specific job in the cloud field, and man can I tell you it's been frustrating. Getting tired of getting those emails saying they have decided to move on after the second or third interview. i even start presenting my personal cloud projects and other network/system projects that i create on my server-esix but still no luck. My gf brother is huge in cyber at the corporate level security and my cousin is also very huge in google cloud and is also a software developer so i try to ask as many questions as i can to pull from each what i can to make myself more marketable but still no luck. In my current position, I work mostly with APC, extreme network, and cisco in the network and data center roles which require me to touch a little bit of everything. But now i feel like that's not helping me. Don't get me wrong, i get alot of job offers but i won't leave a government for anything less and i actually want a specific job and not just whatever is available. I am trying to get a job in Houston TX at the moment.
@alphabanks
@alphabanks Жыл бұрын
It's only a matter of time for you since you are already putting in the work to develop your skill set.
@certifiedcurls
@certifiedcurls Жыл бұрын
Oh it is for sure coming to you! When you are looking for something specific, it gets harder from what I have experienced. Take something from each interview you do and you get better at answering the questions. The biggest thing is to try and tie in your current experience and how it can be an asset. Also, try to get them to see that all you looking for is a chance lol It's coming though, you are doing everything you possibly can. the good thing is you have a steady job and have the time to do it correctly
@steelsteez6118
@steelsteez6118 Жыл бұрын
@@certifiedcurls Amazing advice. Couldn't have said it better myself!
@samjones4327
@samjones4327 Жыл бұрын
Hey what’s up Lise! Thanks for this video. It was super informative and thanks for the advice👍🏽 You’re always on point and I appreciate you and all that you do for us💯 Be well, Be safe, Peace🥳
@Grind.on.demand
@Grind.on.demand Жыл бұрын
Look on field nation for private contracts to get experience.
@bunnygopoof
@bunnygopoof Жыл бұрын
It's a long game, but taking a generalist position at a company that you know has the specialist position you want may be the door in. Good luck and thanks for the video!
@Patrick-iy1rb
@Patrick-iy1rb Жыл бұрын
Insightful as always. Love the Killua shirt btw :)
@certifiedcurls
@certifiedcurls Жыл бұрын
Thank youu
@alphabanks
@alphabanks Жыл бұрын
IMO the industry is moving away from specialist technology is moving to fast to specialize in one thing. The problem with a lot of generalist is they don't build out a marketable skill set for example all they focus on is Microsoft infrastructure. They refuse to cross train or jump on other projects. If you are a generalist you need to focus on Linux, Cloud, Kubernetes, networking etc. Being a well rounded generalist can separate you from the pack. Even our security guys fall in the category of generalist they work on multiple areas under the security umbrella not just one aspect of security. I will always say the best companies to work for are medium size companies that have a good IT budget you will be placed on a small team and expected to do everything. You really don't learn much when you try to work for these large multi national companies most tech people in those jobs only know how to do one thing. I speak from experience I started at a medium company than went to a large one.
@certifiedcurls
@certifiedcurls Жыл бұрын
I can some form of that but to me no matter what field of work you work in, specialized people always get paid more for their skillset. Working at smaller companies to allow you to get hand on different pots so I think it is very valuable to be a generalist. For me, I'm tired of not being one lol
@ViewerOnly95
@ViewerOnly95 Жыл бұрын
This is somewhat similar to what I'm dealing now. Trying to go from a NOC analyst kind of role where all I do is monitoring and alert the correct people and/or vendors limits me and my skillset. I've been trying to gain experience through labs but hiring managers aren't looking for labs, they want proven experience (this may vary but just my luck) Due to not having the desired experience they use that to justify a pay cut or a title reduction or both. Being so close to the holidays haven't been fun either, I've been met with a lot of rejections due to end of year budget holds or hiring freezes entirely until next year. Hopefully everyone battling the hiring ups and down are met with some luck and become prosperous. Only a matter of time before we all get placed in better positions!!
@jamesleecoleman
@jamesleecoleman Жыл бұрын
Being a generalist kinda sucks but its a great way to see what you might wanna do but if you got more than one thing that you enjoy learning about or doing... what do you do? I'm sorta struggling between information security and computer networking but I wanna work remote so I'm all like looking into cloud and Linux stuff.
@robertshowe2417
@robertshowe2417 Жыл бұрын
100% Everyone seems to want experience for jobs that there are not enough people with that experience to fill, result we can't get that specific experience. Did you get your NSE4? That opened more doors than anything for me. (NSE5 almost done now)
@laramecodes3520
@laramecodes3520 Жыл бұрын
Security is weird. I was recently promoted to a IAM Engineer position. Some of it is who you know and your network.
@neauxmad1048
@neauxmad1048 Жыл бұрын
I wasn't going to but I feel like it's better for me in the long run to take lower pay now while I don't have many responsibilities so I can gain more experience.
@certifiedcurls
@certifiedcurls Жыл бұрын
Oh for sure!! There is absolutely nothing wrong with taking a pay cut or taking lesser pay IF you have a plan for doing that. If you know you are only taking it because you know once you get experience in a short time, you can potentially double it. The return has to be greater
@maged4087
@maged4087 Жыл бұрын
Same situation, I am finishing my degree in Dec and I am looking for job for days and I don’t find job yet
@certifiedcurls
@certifiedcurls Жыл бұрын
It's a rough time out here
@ProxyPacIT
@ProxyPacIT Жыл бұрын
Just remember security means security, in security you will not get to work in firewalls in the way that you think. Security is an auditing role, does not enable you to work on firewall rules like a network engineer role
@certifiedcurls
@certifiedcurls Жыл бұрын
I'm not pursing a cyber role I'm pursuing security in the networking space.
@dmaloney1095
@dmaloney1095 Жыл бұрын
Not true I not NetSec teams teams that implement new ACL,url filtering and FW upgrades. The net teams deals with daily operations
@lawrencebolt3540
@lawrencebolt3540 Жыл бұрын
Hi, I want to specialise in security after my ccna. Any ideas on the best path to go down to get paid without wasting too much time? Thank you,
@ftnetops4264
@ftnetops4264 Жыл бұрын
If you don't have the work exp for the CISSP, I assume you may have looked at the work exp waiver, or associate designation. Not an easy test, but not harder than say, a CCNP, but would be the golden ticket for a lot of security jobs. I did a straight security gig for one year, and that will be my last. Too little $$$ for too much risk, and the companies still cut corners on PCI and HIPAA (won't spend for appropriate tools).
@debizzle3
@debizzle3 Жыл бұрын
Do you have networking sercuirty certs? You may have to let the certs get you in the door. Im a net engineer as well, but for the security side with the certs , most employers almost seems to over look experience or years. But the problem is you have to retain what you have studied because they grill you in the interviews hahaha
@lawrencebolt3540
@lawrencebolt3540 Жыл бұрын
Hi, I'm about to sit my ccna. Will be looking to learn python and AWS cloud architect to give me a well rounded skillset. My aim is to then specialise in security. Could you outline a good path to take ? Thank you,
@debizzle3
@debizzle3 Жыл бұрын
@@lawrencebolt3540 yeah I have good ideas but 8t sounds like you still trying to decide what you want to do. If you want to do security why not pursue it right away after CCNA . No point in getting the other stuff right now if you know you want to do security. Security is also a big space, so if you want to do networking security start with ccna or CCNA security and just work your way through the cisco security tracks. Different security vendors have different certs such palto alto, juniper, fortigate, all have security certs.
@lawrencebolt3540
@lawrencebolt3540 Жыл бұрын
@@debizzle3 hi again! Yes thank you for the advice, I've heard of palo alto. I'm new to the IT industry and I'd like to set myself apart by specialising in security. I heard cloud is the direction IT is going in and every security operative will need to know a bit of coding hence my initial plans. So in your opinion I shouldn't worry about coding or cloud? Thank you again, I'm really just looking to understand as much as possible from different people in the industry 🤲
@steelsteez6118
@steelsteez6118 Жыл бұрын
@@lawrencebolt3540 if your overall intention is to go the cyber security route, don't "waste" your time with ccna. I put waste in quotation marks because technically you can't *really* waste your time getting the ccna as it's a fantastic cert to have but based on you want to do your time could be better spent elsewhere. That is a huge time investment (especially the new ccna) and you're going to spend a lot of time learning more advanced networking topics you'll likely never or rarely use in the cyber security field. My recommendation, if your heart is truly set on security, would be to pursue a basic networking cert first like net + (ccna will go way too in depth for what you'll actually need) so you can understand the basics of the tcp/ip stack and then pursue your cloud and cyber security certs. Yes, in that field cloud, a scripting language, and security skills will be very relevant and necessary... Networking skills? Ehhhh. Basic networking skills and you'll be fine. Now, with all that said, how do you know you like security? I feel like everyone just thinks they want to be a hacker these days cause they hear all the cool buzz words and see all shows that feature hackers. Security is a tough 24/7 field. Be prepared for a lot of on call. Not saying it's not rewarding, it's just not what a lot of people think it is once they start working in a cyber security role. To be honest, and to give you a more real world answer, you won't really know what you like until you start working in an IT role. You may start off in security and then realize that you actually love networking instead. Or maybe you much more prefer cloud engineering than security. Who knows, maybe you end up falling in love with devops. Your decision will change based on what technologies you get to play with. Most important rule is build a basic but strong foundation in anything you decide to go into and then delve deeper into the technologies as you gain real world experience in a role.
@lawrencebolt3540
@lawrencebolt3540 Жыл бұрын
@@steelsteez6118 Thank you alot for the advice! I've been studying for the CCNA for 5months roughly and will sit my exam in 3 days, seeing as I've come this far I might as well finish it now lol Honestly thank you for everything you wrote and taking the time to answer me. I've screenshot your reply as you've given me alot to think about. God bless you.
@patriotdefender5454
@patriotdefender5454 Жыл бұрын
Could I ask your honest opinion (and anyone else is free to chime in). I currently have a job where I've been for 6 years. I have a BS in Computer Forensics and I started out Helpdesk (only job around here), was promoted to Network technician, eventually went back to Helpdesk (hurt my back moving a printer and didn't want to hurt it again), eventually became the Helpdesk lead, then was promoted to Application Support/Cyber Security. In my other roles, I always fell under the manager of that area of IT. Now, even though I answer to the manager over App Support, the director of all of those depts has gotten more involved with me. There was a lot of security software, updates, etc that we have been rolling out (like 3000 PC's or so) so its a large task. Everyone had their piece of the pie to work on. As I chopped away at my "list" to work on, there were days when I did more work than others. All of this is rolled into a ticketing system (ugh) so that way people know what's been done. Some days, I had more tickets than others. The first time, I was approached by this director and was asked my opinion on how things were going with work and if I had noticed any issues with the "process". I didn't realize this was code for "Why aren't you putting in more tickets?" (mind you that I have put in more this year than anyone else in App Support). I told this individual that there were some computers where things like "updates" would be faster than others and even some cases where users needed their devices and they had to postpone, etc. I thought this took care of the issue but a few weeks later, I was once again asked if I was encountering any issues with the process and why fewer tickets on some days than others (no one else is getting this criticism except me that I'm aware of). Once again, I restated everything that I had before. Now... a bit of a side story. We have an anonymous opinion survey at work (like 2,800 employees) and I always fill it out and I'm honest with it. Keeping that survey in mind, lets jump to the week of Thanksgiving. I was here working even though others were already gone and I get a knock on my office door and its this guy, he asked me to come down to his office. He then asks me, "Do we have a problem between the two of us" while he glances at his computer. I realized that opinion survey was NOT anonymous and someone has confirmed to me that directors and administration know who writes what and this guy must have taken my comments as negative towards him. I had criticized the lack of communication in the dept, and the redundant processes that they had in place including in house apps that this guy kept trying to develop for us to troubleshoot PC's and use only to then pull us away from said application and then work on something else and THEN go back to the first application... anyway... I'm sitting there in this office like oh no.... what's about to go down. He then launches into this speech about how I had been "streaking upwards" when I was lead in Helpdesk but am now plateauing. He then asked why there had been one ticket on Monday. I explained that to him and that I had other items I was working on that day as well but I don't think its good enough for him. He continued on about how I needed to be a "pusher vs a puller" and not wait for things to be given to me even though I was actually going out and getting tickets from other people to do if they were sick, etc. I had covered other peoples jobs while they were out for months before this, am doing so now, and he had literally seen me the previous day walking down the hallway with a stack of tablets under my arm to work on. With all that being said... should I be looking for another job? I'm at the place now that when I hear this guy come down the hall, my chest literally gets tight. Its all about the stupid tickets! Your thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks!
@jacquelinehoward5445
@jacquelinehoward5445 Жыл бұрын
I am not in the IT field, but I have dealt with many bad managers in previous jobs. It sounds like you are being targeted and bullied by this director/manager. The survey should have been anonymous. The fact that the place you're working at allowed the director and anyone else to know who said what is a red flag. The place doesn't value employee privacy. The director also speaks in riddles to you "any issues with the process?" instead of just asking you how things are going or if you authentically need any help with anything. This is also not good and shows a lack of communication skills (it is passive aggressive behavior) and a lack of respect towards you as an employee in charge of so many important things (yes, more important than tickets!). You yourself noted communication issues at your workplace, and the "moving us to something else, only to move us back!" issue your director/manager has shows real disorganization. I have had near panic attacks at work due to an overbearing boss twice. My chest would tighten whenever they were near, my heart would start beating fast, and I even would struggle to breathe. I am at a point in my life and career where I just refuse to put up with the nonsense from places of employment anymore. If you are not already looking for another job, yes, I recommend you do. You seriously deserve respect at any workplace!
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