If Everybody Is Cheap, Nobody Is Cheap: Aris' Thoughts on Third Strike's Miraculous Balance

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Avoiding The Puddle

Avoiding The Puddle

Жыл бұрын

#ThirdStrike #Aris #CooperationCup
Nice analogy to SC2 in there
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@franklin8606
@franklin8606 Жыл бұрын
"if the akuma player is mexican enough, you arent touching the ground." has gotta be top 5 comments about 3s I've ever heard
@dingusdangus9299
@dingusdangus9299 Жыл бұрын
"How many characters have we seen today?" He says while watching a tournament with rules specifically designed to force character variety.
@sc065
@sc065 Жыл бұрын
Details are invisible to stoners.
@OrphanOfDarkness
@OrphanOfDarkness Жыл бұрын
Hey man alright
@saado99
@saado99 Жыл бұрын
@@sc065 Tengu stoners
@gemini4lyfe3001
@gemini4lyfe3001 Жыл бұрын
How are the rules "forcing character variety"?
@pingpong5877
@pingpong5877 2 ай бұрын
​@gemini4lyfe3001 did you not see the vid? It's woke af.
@shiryu22
@shiryu22 Жыл бұрын
wanted dumplings, got a foot attached to a super
@bumblebee9736
@bumblebee9736 Жыл бұрын
If you're a coomer - it ain't half bad, all things considering.
@I_EAT_QUARTERS
@I_EAT_QUARTERS 11 ай бұрын
bad luck brian
@spacearabica
@spacearabica 8 ай бұрын
the foot clan strikes when you least expect.
@jmondragon7776
@jmondragon7776 Жыл бұрын
Just got off of work. Got home and a new video drops. Got me some coffee and time to relax.
@Bigzoe202Gaming
@Bigzoe202Gaming Жыл бұрын
Hey alright
@pinatass
@pinatass Жыл бұрын
Dear diary
@jalcomics
@jalcomics Жыл бұрын
Got home. Got air fried steak. Aris time.
@miatomi
@miatomi Жыл бұрын
This video was my childhood
@TheSupremeSussy
@TheSupremeSussy Жыл бұрын
Hey, pour me some!
@TheDeadTexan
@TheDeadTexan Жыл бұрын
Even with the forced character variety in the tournament it was still funny to see the grand finals come down to a Chun mirror. Gotta love 3S.
@shivajones108
@shivajones108 Жыл бұрын
Aris always sounds so happy talking 3S
@gemini4lyfe3001
@gemini4lyfe3001 Жыл бұрын
3rd Strike is LIFE!!! 3rd Strike is CRACK!!!!
@Call555JackChop
@Call555JackChop Жыл бұрын
They should do the next Coop Cup at least 500 yards from a school so Kuroda can come back
@aquaspecter
@aquaspecter Жыл бұрын
What?
@FriedHedgehogBalls
@FriedHedgehogBalls Жыл бұрын
@@aquaspecter he tried to rape a 14 year old child
@ovahlord1451
@ovahlord1451 Жыл бұрын
💀
@OGMudbum
@OGMudbum Жыл бұрын
Such a shame. That guy inspired me into staying as Q and trying to learn parrying... I'm still a bit upset about that.
@gemini4lyfe3001
@gemini4lyfe3001 Жыл бұрын
​@@OGMudbum what did Kuroda do?
@defianthound407
@defianthound407 Жыл бұрын
Never gonna unsee that fd up Chun finger
@ihavetubes
@ihavetubes Жыл бұрын
Man you would think they could draw it better
@eddiestilll
@eddiestilll Жыл бұрын
people can talk about how much better the balance could be in 3rd strike, but there's something so magical about every aspect of 3rd strike imo. def a GOAT fighting game 🙂
@saado99
@saado99 Жыл бұрын
It just needs one more balance patch, it's been 25 years. It's literally only had 3 updates, how many balance patches and updates, bug fixes did SF4, SF5 get? Shitting on old games because of bad balance is always a low blow because the developers have no idea what people playing a game for 20+ years nonstop will come up with when it takes them a year to make a game in the first place.
@HarmonicResonanceScale
@HarmonicResonanceScale Жыл бұрын
A slightly nerfed chun li and ken would make 3rd strike perfect. Those two characters are so easy that it's toxic to the scene.
@jaykelley103
@jaykelley103 Жыл бұрын
@@HarmonicResonanceScale exactly. The problem isnt that they are cheap, but that their cheap shit is fairly trivial to pull off. Imagine if urien aegis unblockables were easy and didnt require weird charge partition bs
@saado99
@saado99 Жыл бұрын
I understand some of the complaints levied at 3S, there's truth to it, but it doesn't matter because the game is just extremely fun. It's so fast and there's never been another SF game with so much freedom in your choices and how you move. The system mechanics (parry) just open up the possibilities in the game in so many interactions and you hardly ever get that kind of experience in any other fighting game, that's why you'll always see this game played because of how unique it is not just in the SF world but fighting games as a whole no matter how many new fighting games come up. It's not balanced but like Aris said the open endedness of the game allows you to always have an answer even if you are at a disadvantage, whereas an S+ character in another SF game it's straight up unwinnable because of how limited you are. That's also what many players like Daigo dislike about it what parry can do in those oki situations, and the freedom of the system mechanics allows questionable OSs, but that's what makes 3S unique and special and free, if you take that away it would just be a boring SF game #1000. At least the developers had the balls to make a change and really open up the game, there's tons of other "traditional" SFs you can play but you won't get another experience in other fighting game like 3S.
@jeremiahsoto4120
@jeremiahsoto4120 Жыл бұрын
If you were drowning, I'd shoot you.
@dkblade27
@dkblade27 Жыл бұрын
Listen to this man. He double P'd Nica KO.
@jaykelley103
@jaykelley103 Жыл бұрын
@@dkblade27 damn that's tight. Nica can play any character
@saado99
@saado99 Жыл бұрын
@@dkblade27 lol don't gas me up like that 😅
@MrCactuar13
@MrCactuar13 Жыл бұрын
People need to stop pretending parry is the magical bandaid that enables the fun in 3S when it's really the cause of a lot of imbalance. Parry favors characters with good punishes, which is why bad characters like Oro, Hugo, and Q can pop off while losers like Remy, 12, and Sean are lucky if they get more than just a throw. But at the end of the day all these guys are going to lose more often than not to the characters with god normals and even more cheap bullshit up their sleeves.
@graver2570
@graver2570 Жыл бұрын
3S obviously means a lot of things to a lot of people and it really does seem like a game you could play forever with even opponents but MAN, does it allow for some armchair experts. Can't think of another game that brings out people who talk more out of their A$$ than 3S
@d3nj1n
@d3nj1n Жыл бұрын
XRD is the only other game I can think of
@TheSupremeSussy
@TheSupremeSussy Жыл бұрын
"this guy can't block chicken wing on wake up?! he's such a fucking scrub!" - third strike dad in his 40s who has to pick up his kids after work
@keepalit4371
@keepalit4371 Жыл бұрын
it is seen as THE game to be good at. everybody wants to pretend for prestige and what not
@yungskeleton-wotvffbe8939
@yungskeleton-wotvffbe8939 Жыл бұрын
It's because of its popularity. Usually you can tell who's bullshitting even if you don't play the game.
@anabstractworld
@anabstractworld Жыл бұрын
GOOD! Do you have ANY faqin idea how it looks like everywhere else? Buncha Socrateses talking and arguing about how the felt during cutscenes when the pixels moved from one end of the screen to the other. This a video game, talk about the gameplay or square off to netflix! anyway, yugioh
@stainz_4208
@stainz_4208 Жыл бұрын
Agreed. They ain't made a SF game this fun since this game. 3rd Strike is the pinnacle of the Street Fighter series.
@gemini4lyfe3001
@gemini4lyfe3001 Жыл бұрын
Facts but casuals and the so-called "hardcore" SF heads as well as Capcom havent figured that shit out yet...everything now is "easy mode"....shit even Tekken 8 is going the "easy mode" route 🤦🏾‍♂️
@yrh002b8
@yrh002b8 2 күн бұрын
Fun is objective. Normally people who grew up during Aris time see 3S as a cult classic. Not saying it's good or bad, it's purely objective. SFIV people will called that game the best for example.
@Lactovacilo939
@Lactovacilo939 Жыл бұрын
a 4th version with a few small balance changes and a playable gill would be so cool. They could do us a solid and add the stages from the previous versions too
@jaykelley103
@jaykelley103 Жыл бұрын
One can dream. The key word is *small* balance changes. Not a complete left turn into kusoge territory like that 4rd strike rom hack bs
@Lactovacilo939
@Lactovacilo939 Жыл бұрын
@@jaykelley103 yeah, 4 strike does have some good ideas though, like giving alex DDT an air option against standing targets on the ground, that was genius. We could have had that during the 3s online era the some vocal minority didn't allow it so we got the exact same game.
@dingusdangus9299
@dingusdangus9299 Жыл бұрын
@@jaykelley103 All you'd have to do is touch on the top 2 or 3 and the bottom 3 and you could leave everyone else alone.
@gemini4lyfe3001
@gemini4lyfe3001 Жыл бұрын
​@@jaykelley103 that shit is trash....the balance changes are simple....give Sean his 2nd Impact Tatsu and DP and his target combo link into Sa1 or Sa3....Ibuki needs one of her supers back from 2nd Impact and Remy needs to be able to link off crouching mk....thats it nobody else needs to be touched
@TrueUnderDawgGaming
@TrueUnderDawgGaming Жыл бұрын
The problem is half the Third Strike roster is not cheap. Some suck while others are gods lol. MK9 is a great example of everyone being cheap.
@servebotfrank4082
@servebotfrank4082 Жыл бұрын
I think Xrd succeeds in that as well. Even the worst character in the game has unblockable setups.
@WutTheDeuceGaming
@WutTheDeuceGaming Жыл бұрын
MK9, everyone has at least one broken aspect to them.
@thecrowningentertainment2421
@thecrowningentertainment2421 Жыл бұрын
“And it’s attached to a super!?”😂😂 Aris’ wit is so unique. It’s not something you can achieve through practice either. It’s a natural Aris brand of comedy that can only come from being fat, bald, having gout and living in Commiefornia. Thanks green man. May your days be long upon this Earph.
@ovahlord1451
@ovahlord1451 Жыл бұрын
hey alright
@jaykelley103
@jaykelley103 Жыл бұрын
Commiefornia is trash but aris is tight
@ImDaBaby
@ImDaBaby Жыл бұрын
nice 200 word essay amigo keep it down, will ya?
@twistedgambit9084
@twistedgambit9084 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the update
@IAMOP
@IAMOP Жыл бұрын
Same thing with MK9 Everyone was broken
@Ninjabob568
@Ninjabob568 Жыл бұрын
honestly i think tekkens balance is pretty good, take away akuma and its solid
@IAMOP
@IAMOP Жыл бұрын
@@Ninjabob568 true, apart from Akuma T7 is very balanced
@tonyinfinite5174
@tonyinfinite5174 Жыл бұрын
​@@Ninjabob568 umm y'all forgetting Leroy Smith 😂
@weirdo911aw
@weirdo911aw Жыл бұрын
mk9 was fucking sick (ive never played it)
@SUPERLINKX2
@SUPERLINKX2 Жыл бұрын
@@tonyinfinite5174 Leroy got nerfed and isnt as broken as he was at his launch
@TheDuke07
@TheDuke07 Жыл бұрын
lol n0pants going for full yt points with the censors
@Xenozillex
@Xenozillex Жыл бұрын
I wonder if advertisers really say "We dont want our ads on people who curse." or is it really youtube with their weird social engineering?
@5512mt
@5512mt Жыл бұрын
dying for coop cup full vod
@journeyman9454
@journeyman9454 Жыл бұрын
I don't think this tournament is a good example, this tournament placed restrictions on character choices by limiting how many of any character you could have on your team. This tournament is more of a fun get together nothing is on the line so of course you will see character variety. Also I'm pretty sure some of the choices are counter picks to other top tier characters. This is a also a team tournament where you only need to beat someone in one game to advance, giving the person no opportunity to adapt. So picking less used characters is encouraged because you can steal games with a knowledge check.
@WutTheDeuceGaming
@WutTheDeuceGaming Жыл бұрын
the result is always the same. Chun/Yun. You can structure a tournament any way you want, but as long as those two characters exist, this is what the final will always be. This is why 3S wasn't a mainstay during major tournaments. It's a Chun/Yun show every time.
@dietmarachleitner9319
@dietmarachleitner9319 Жыл бұрын
@@WutTheDeuceGaming most surface leveled take i have ever seen just admit you've never played it lol
@Voljetay25
@Voljetay25 Жыл бұрын
I never noticed tht table until now
@geoplex3490
@geoplex3490 Жыл бұрын
rewatchin this, sumn one in chat said "makoter". this right here
@TheNomadJack
@TheNomadJack Жыл бұрын
3rd Strike is the only Street Fighter that doesn't make me wanna throw up when I look at it.
@jaykelley103
@jaykelley103 Жыл бұрын
Alpha series looks nice too but yeah all the 3d ones look like the characters have downs. 6 included
@vidyastuff
@vidyastuff Жыл бұрын
thought I was the only one, that and super turbo
@SilversTaurus
@SilversTaurus Жыл бұрын
*LIGHTNING!*
@DocThuggly
@DocThuggly Жыл бұрын
Yun keeper-Jin loops are always the sickest shit ever
@burnin8trxx
@burnin8trxx Жыл бұрын
I like when he was talking about how 12 can still be ok 12 is punished for hitting a combo lol
@SSP2476
@SSP2476 Жыл бұрын
Soulcalibur 2 is so great It's rare to see people praise it like you do best 3D fighter of that gen hands down Tekken 5 doesn't come close in my mind.
@CI2oVv
@CI2oVv Жыл бұрын
for high level stoners "If Everybody Is Cheap, Nobody Is Cheap" its a quote from shrek 2
@dingusdangus9299
@dingusdangus9299 Жыл бұрын
What if two of those characters are 10x as cheap as everyone else?
@skunkface_
@skunkface_ Жыл бұрын
LMAO at Aris saying some people prefer pretty girls while 2 Remys are on screen
@BARRYCARRY
@BARRYCARRY Жыл бұрын
Same as killer instinct
@GoldF4TE
@GoldF4TE Жыл бұрын
A parry sfx would be a nice censorship
@thenomix-upmix-up717
@thenomix-upmix-up717 Жыл бұрын
Aris showing off his degree in phenomenology philosophy
@Apemopo
@Apemopo Жыл бұрын
dudley trying to get some dumplins :]
@007abzal
@007abzal 5 ай бұрын
Anyone know where the full vod is?
@maxterminatehole2086
@maxterminatehole2086 Жыл бұрын
this video should be title aris love letter to 3rd strike
@anabstractworld
@anabstractworld Жыл бұрын
i love this stuff. some fightan lessons? gimme that shet
@Harrytmik
@Harrytmik Жыл бұрын
As a wise man once said: "if you don't scare, I don't scare".
@PiquantPan
@PiquantPan Жыл бұрын
Aris is gonna come back to Street Fighter with SF6, the grand return of systems-based balance
@saado99
@saado99 Жыл бұрын
There's still a lot of limitations in the system mechanics, although they definitely at least tried to make it more "loose" vs SF5. 3S is so loose in it's mechanics it's like you are walking on clouds sometimes.
@sc065
@sc065 Жыл бұрын
Nah, he's going to make lame excuses for why it's shit after a few weeks then go back to playing random $7 horror games and talking about MvC2/3S being cool once every 4 months. I guarantee you, he'll try to convince people 6 is shit. Dude is just over the hill.
@Psy0ps1
@Psy0ps1 Жыл бұрын
​@@sc065 Hey alright, nobody gives a fuck. Anyway, hope you're having a nice day amigo.
@Sol-De-Invierno
@Sol-De-Invierno Жыл бұрын
@@sc065 SF6 is shit though. Less characters, woke trash, DLC crap.
@sc065
@sc065 Жыл бұрын
@@Sol-De-Invierno Peak Aris fan. Stay in school.
@nathannjh
@nathannjh Жыл бұрын
This game is a lot like +R. +R wears its influence on its sleeve. Every character broken, but everyone can win based on the system. Parry and SB are basically the same thing.
@nathannjh
@nathannjh Жыл бұрын
Only idiots thing Xrd is similar.
@saltyluigi4011
@saltyluigi4011 Жыл бұрын
Slashback isn't used a lot, it's just that even the lower tier characters got cheap stuff. Kusoge moment.
@drummachine77
@drummachine77 Жыл бұрын
Slashback is more situational than a 3S parry. Generally though I agree with the rest of what you said.
@Pacemaker_fgc
@Pacemaker_fgc Жыл бұрын
+R is much more balanced than this game. The gap between top tiers and bottom tiers in 3S is massive compared to +R
@grimgrimoireinstall6867
@grimgrimoireinstall6867 Жыл бұрын
Every character can win but a lot of +R matchups are absolutely brutal, which changes a characters ideal interactions and situations a lot.
@AegisRick
@AegisRick Жыл бұрын
I dont understand why Aris is downplaying Tekkens systems. I think that game more than exemplifies the idea of player skill with the game and mechanics over simply character balance. The generic options everyone has is a system in itself when a character has 100 unique attacks. This is after he just finished justifying how many miracles you need to best a true Mexican Akumer.
@boxheadfred3475
@boxheadfred3475 Жыл бұрын
All he is saying is the balance in tekken is boring because characters don't really have strengths and weaknesses highlighted they basically all have the same tools
@DoubleBeast
@DoubleBeast Жыл бұрын
What he's _really_ saying is that the standardizations in 3S & SCII are cooler. While he is wearing rose-tinted glasses, he did admit 3S is not truly balanced.
@commifaiL
@commifaiL Жыл бұрын
" I never liked that finger " LOL
@ruminating1596
@ruminating1596 Жыл бұрын
I think the magic stopped with 3s because it was the last true arcade game for Capcom. Yes, Japan still has arcades and SF4 was released first in the arcade, but they were already dead across the world outside of maybe Japan and Korea. I remember 3's, MVSC2, X-men vs Street Fighter, and Soul Calibur 2 at the arcades and even grocery stores had these cabinets. So these games had an insane amount of people playing them all the time finding new tech. It captured the true essence of fighting games. Now we have some A.I created soulless fighting games like SF5 that just feels dead. There's no charm to it. The "arcades" are now virtually created inside SF6 that's only accessible online.
@illusionjt4314
@illusionjt4314 Жыл бұрын
I agree
@Dropbare
@Dropbare Жыл бұрын
n0swearing
@CuteBridge
@CuteBridge Жыл бұрын
i love system mechanics
@fuutek9171
@fuutek9171 Жыл бұрын
What is this legendary “Mexican akuma”?
@WormyJester8
@WormyJester8 Жыл бұрын
5:24 Savage
@youcantkilltwice5596
@youcantkilltwice5596 Жыл бұрын
street Fighter ex2 plus / Excel mech was most OP thing in fighting games imo
@carlosaugusto9821
@carlosaugusto9821 Жыл бұрын
I think SFA2 custom combos are more broken
@mattb6616
@mattb6616 Жыл бұрын
@@carlosaugusto9821 yeah v-ism was pretty messed up
@PsychoJosh
@PsychoJosh Жыл бұрын
Street Fighter 4 was rancid ass from beginning to end, and I will die on that hill. 3rd Strike still the greatest SF game after all these years
@1MCElias
@1MCElias Жыл бұрын
👍🏻
@capt_howdy
@capt_howdy Жыл бұрын
praising 3S for it’s balance atpCap atpBigot
@warmcoffee226
@warmcoffee226 Жыл бұрын
Masterful command of grammar on the apostrophe there n0pants
@Altimittkun
@Altimittkun 2 ай бұрын
True. The parry and guard push in Soul Calibur 2 is such a broken system that if you're against someone spamming attacks, you can use your knowledge and parry that shit to oblivion. I've seen people parry each other over and over again until time expired.
@LeviathanCove
@LeviathanCove Жыл бұрын
Chat got wrecked by Lord Aris
@user-mj7zu5gf5s
@user-mj7zu5gf5s Жыл бұрын
that genei jin hp hp hp hp hp on crouching gouki
@PomadaGaming
@PomadaGaming 11 ай бұрын
5:28 LMFAO
@tsitteg1638
@tsitteg1638 Жыл бұрын
Social media ruined street fighter because capcom has not been able to allow a meta to emerge from their community since this game. There is an immediate backlash with tiers that are definitive or systems that dumber players rarely engage with or practice
@shanedavison6371
@shanedavison6371 Жыл бұрын
Another game to add to your list: Virtua Fighter 5. I call it open vs closed system. Hence why 3rd strike will always stand the test of time. Pretty sure max talked about this too. Here’s hoping sf6 gets added to the list. It’s interesting how setplay was a thing in 3rd strike but didn’t ruin the experience because of the parry system.
@wompastompa3692
@wompastompa3692 Жыл бұрын
Nice essay, amigo.
@shanedavison6371
@shanedavison6371 Жыл бұрын
@@wompastompa3692 it’s not that bad…. Solid paragraph, tops.
@saado99
@saado99 Жыл бұрын
I think he called it the most loose closed fighting game lol, which is kinda accurate. The developers of VF tightly knit what you can and can't do, but there's so much you can do in that space that it allows of a lot of player expression and possibilities. Too bad people used to call VF "chairs" because nobody plays it.
@shanedavison6371
@shanedavison6371 Жыл бұрын
@@saado99 thanks, you’re absolutely right. I think this is what is missing in modern fighting games. When you lose, you get triggered because there wasn’t a lot you could have done besides not let that situation happen. Versus losing and being like “damn, I should have done .” With parries, you always feel powerful, even on defense. With an open system, you can even have more character variety because no one particular archetype is too OP.
@MrValsung
@MrValsung Жыл бұрын
Would be interested to read from someone what exactly the 'game system' Aris keeps referring to that is implicit to Third Strike's balance despite the balance issues that are there. Is it specifically the implementation of 3s' parry mechanic? Is it some sort of nuance to push back on a per character basis (I recall that Soul Caliber 2 had an interesting push back system).
@exodia275
@exodia275 Жыл бұрын
It is specifically the parry mechanic. But the thing is, this parry is so different to every other game's parry mechanic in that it doesnt allow the enemy to be predictable at ALL. In games like sf4 there are literally block combos to build meter. In this game, if you try to do the same sequence of inputs again, a good player will fucking destroy you for it
@mattb6616
@mattb6616 Жыл бұрын
its just boomers, sf3 is a crazily unbalanced game and theres a reason outside of goofball exhibs like this you only ever see four characters in the roster used.
@elsamurai1220
@elsamurai1220 Жыл бұрын
​​@@mattb6616 I like third strike but it has its own problems. Namely character balance unlike what Aris thinks. Game is horribly unbalanced at the top level. Aris is talking about these mechanics but he's really only talking about the parry mechanic.
@saado99
@saado99 Жыл бұрын
@@mattb6616 unfair criticism, there has not been a balance patch in 25 years or so. Of course if there was big prize money involved everyone would pick the top 2-3 chars in 3S in a tournament setting, the game is clearly not balanced but that's not why people play it.
@exodia275
@exodia275 Жыл бұрын
@@mattb6616 u sound like someone that uses modern controls in sf6 because a qcf is too hard for you
@partyendsat9235
@partyendsat9235 Жыл бұрын
Omagaru Kage
@markdlaminiart7999
@markdlaminiart7999 Жыл бұрын
hi nopantz if aris reacted to hworang trailer please post it
@BlahNetworkBro
@BlahNetworkBro Жыл бұрын
I think characters now are way less shitty. No one is sfiv of sfv is as bad as Sean or even twelve
@XenonAgenT01
@XenonAgenT01 7 ай бұрын
“Makoto can kill Akuma in one hit” almost everyone except twelve can. And necro has over 30 different touch of deaths on Akuma and he’s far from op
@Nefariousbig
@Nefariousbig Жыл бұрын
0:17 AI generated sentence
@jaykelley103
@jaykelley103 Жыл бұрын
The aris ai is correct. The other sf games are just shitty tutorials for 3s
@joyuz6583
@joyuz6583 9 ай бұрын
You know your passion for the game is really what people need to see. Every character is sick even if it's a bitch Yun or a slimey Makoto, everyone is cool, and everyone is a bitch. This game is sick and cheap and we should all love every character.
@sofaking9404
@sofaking9404 Жыл бұрын
Cvs2 is not balanced, like at all. Roll cancelling, while you can argue gives even low-tiers new tools to work with also makes already strong chars stronger, blanka sagat iori for example. Id argue alpha 3 is more balanced, but V-ism kills X-ism so hard that char variety within X just dies.
@EternalGruntSetsu
@EternalGruntSetsu Жыл бұрын
7:20
@brushwagg7735
@brushwagg7735 Жыл бұрын
“Xrd? Who even heard of that trash? No offense, I just like making fun of things that suck.” classic
@WutTheDeuceGaming
@WutTheDeuceGaming Жыл бұрын
problem is, 3rd Strike really only has two cheap characters. Yeah, the game is busted, but only Chun and Yun are really OP. The one thing after them is Akuma tatsu, that's it. The high tiers are so far above everyone else it's gross. Urien, with his unblockables, still mid tier. MK9 is the prime example of everyone being broken. What did the grand finals always look like? Kabal/Cyrax. The statement of everyone being cheap so no one is, it's false.
@mildsome9713
@mildsome9713 Жыл бұрын
do you even play this game
@Afr0Thund3r
@Afr0Thund3r Жыл бұрын
@@mildsome9713 Right? Completely skips over Ken and Makoto and bitches about Akuma's tatsu lmao.
@Unit_00
@Unit_00 Жыл бұрын
"The one thing after them is Akuma tatsu" 😂
@Afr0Thund3r
@Afr0Thund3r Жыл бұрын
@@Unit_00 Finally, I found one of you bastards in the wild. Fuck you and your booger unblockables lol. You're a villain! lmao
@starlord1521
@starlord1521 Жыл бұрын
*cough* DNF *cough*
@twistedgambit9084
@twistedgambit9084 Жыл бұрын
A comparison too cheap but fun is a Tekken 5.
@zex69
@zex69 Жыл бұрын
Gold for the fgc
@KarasawaL30
@KarasawaL30 Жыл бұрын
People who only care about balance and think that's the most important thing out here telling on themselves
@mattb6616
@mattb6616 Жыл бұрын
but everyone isnt broken rofl. nobody plays half the cast because everyone thinks they suck. every tournament is 50 chuns and yuns and kens with like 5 character hardliners
@manuelpatino7863
@manuelpatino7863 Жыл бұрын
Say what, stoner?. Just in this highlight alone, you just saw Ryu, Necro, Ibuki, Twelve and Yang. This ain't your average mall tournament packed-full of scrubs, y'know?. 😂
@mattb6616
@mattb6616 Жыл бұрын
@@manuelpatino7863 yeah, it aint your average tournament because it's not a real tournament, it's an exhibition for fun played in a team format with single elimination lol. jebailey is playing in this.
@ihavetubes
@ihavetubes Жыл бұрын
​@@manuelpatino7863 good system mechanics plus top tier character and you have an advantage. There's a reason why tons of people pick Chun li in this game and ain't because of her thighs.
@saado99
@saado99 Жыл бұрын
those tournaments are FT2/FT3, coop in FT1 and anything can happen in one game when you just fought an opponent for the first time and have very little info on them. Broken is sort of relative, you can say that someone like Denjin Ryu is extremely broken because of how he can rob you, put that in any other game and he'd be broken but he's like uppermid or high tier at best in 3S.
@sc065
@sc065 Жыл бұрын
@@manuelpatino7863 Your comment is an average braindead stoner comment, though. If the people in this tournament were genuinely tryharding to win, they'd all be Chun/Yun/Ken. No one bothers anymore because we all know Chun ruins the game.
@keepalit4371
@keepalit4371 Жыл бұрын
This is the only opinion
@illusionjt4314
@illusionjt4314 Жыл бұрын
Tekken 7 is to balance even season 3, and 4 feel like season 2 is the best of t7 because characters have something unique with them that my opinion.
@N00BSYBORG
@N00BSYBORG Жыл бұрын
A lot of people don't understand what when "everybody's cheap, nobody's cheap" means but Aris explained it pretty well. It's a lot more about the system mechanics being cheap than the characters themselves. This is why DNF fell off while HnK is still seeing play like 100 years later even though HnK is way more broken.
@sc065
@sc065 Жыл бұрын
The "parries help level the playing field" thing is true to an extent, but 3S isn't a good example of "everybody's cheap" even considering parries. Chun is fucking cheap, Yun is fucking cheap, Ken is absurdly well-rounded and approaching cheap, you could make arguments for Akuma, even Denjin Ryu, but Alex, Q, Sean, Remy, Twelve... they are not cheap in any sense of the word.
@thelastgogeta
@thelastgogeta Жыл бұрын
@@sc065 Sure you meant to say Q not G, but I think part of it comes from how the more popular "cheap" characters have generally been labbed against for decades while some (not all - Alex can't catch a break) of the weaker characters still have their own rarer if weaker gimmicks and parry to cover for predictable play. The systems are strong enough to carry players and there is a little bit of sauce from Sean and Remy even if it is context sensitive and not free neutral options like what Yun or Chun Li have.
@sc065
@sc065 Жыл бұрын
​@@thelastgogeta Yes ofc Q. I play a lot of 3S and 5, can't remember my letters. Remy certainly has lots of sauce, I know an extremely good local Remy player that I can't touch.
@N00BSYBORG
@N00BSYBORG Жыл бұрын
@sc065 I didn't say the low-tier characters are cheap. I said parries are cheap which lets the weak characters pull off some wild bullshit. Yeah, Chun is cheap but she still has to respect the threat of getting parried because 3S is a very explosive game. One parry is all it takes to turn things around or straight up kill you depending on the character. Q is a bad character but you fucking die if he parries you.
@sc065
@sc065 Жыл бұрын
@@N00BSYBORG I know what you mean but I struggle to consider a mechanic "cheap" when everyone has access to it. But whatever you call it, yes it's a strong universal system mechanic. My issue with Aris's explanation is that he's also literally saying every character has some cheap shit even in the same universe as what top-tiers can do, which isn't true. Low-tiers can just squeak by with a few extra parries while their top-tier opponents need half or less of the same opportunities. TF2 and DotA are better examples of "when everyone's cheap, no one is."
@sweetshoez
@sweetshoez Жыл бұрын
It’s crazy how good this game looks still. Still looks better than 4 and 5 6 looks good but weird at the same time
@crows6591
@crows6591 Жыл бұрын
used to really only play 3rd strike but now sf6 is my favorite
@jaykelley103
@jaykelley103 Жыл бұрын
Sf6 isnt out yet
@furious_malic7808
@furious_malic7808 Жыл бұрын
@@jaykelley103 there are still ways to play it but you’re right
@jaykelley103
@jaykelley103 Жыл бұрын
@@furious_malic7808 damn they got the bootleg on lock? That's wild as af lmao. They were passing around one of the zelda game a couple weeks ago too
@furious_malic7808
@furious_malic7808 Жыл бұрын
@@jaykelley103 oh I don’t mean the actual full game but that too maybe lol. Mainly playing the demo or cracked beta parsec 😅 those are the ways I’d imagine people are playing it, I’ve only been playing the demo as of late
@shivajones108
@shivajones108 Жыл бұрын
Aris: Third Strike is a cheap game Commentator: ...it is a cheap game... Aris: See?! 😂
@derp2018
@derp2018 Жыл бұрын
why do i watch this stoner everyday its so bizarre
@adhamsalem9121
@adhamsalem9121 Жыл бұрын
i mainly play anime. but X. R. D. cracked me up.
@ultraheaven8968
@ultraheaven8968 Жыл бұрын
10 fr parry window , Scrub game
@c0mplex_Ale
@c0mplex_Ale Жыл бұрын
I mean SF4 and 5 are fun to play, but yeah they ain’t as fun as 3S
@PartyOnMyBlock
@PartyOnMyBlock Жыл бұрын
First the news and now n0pants censoring Aris.
@furious_malic7808
@furious_malic7808 Жыл бұрын
Nothing can take away the impact third strike has had on the FGC as a whole. It’s a all time classic. But I don’t think the parry is perfect. I think it can be both great to use, and see spectators wise but abit too much to deal with defensively. Requiring a ton of practice and execution on the entire cast. It’s a daunting game, even more than tekken imo but man it’s sick lol. I wouldn’t agree with aris that there hasn’t been a street fighter that’s been enjoyable since 3S, 5 was good but it had some annoying characters and some characters dominated the game, and annoying elements like crush counter with priority system. Just felt stupid lol but was fun for awhile in season 1 and 2 for me. SF4 was also pretty good, and a solid street fighter through its life, yes there were os’s and wakeups you had to deal with that allowed some players to steamroll you if didn’t know how to deal with it, but learning how to deal with any specific Situation is apart of any fighting game. I feel it’s abit disingenuous to say there hasn’t been a fun sf since 3S while in the same breath say SF4 was fun to watch lol. I feel Aris has funny opinions sometimes. SF6 i feel is heading in the right direction, but hope it shapes up well
@cybuster
@cybuster Жыл бұрын
aris would love dnf duel
@yrh002b8
@yrh002b8 Жыл бұрын
As long as it's Anime, he will not touch it.
@reisei1
@reisei1 Жыл бұрын
best souls 2 has the best pvp cause of the same reason
@sc065
@sc065 Жыл бұрын
God damn, Aris really reveals himself to be a massive FG boomer whenever he talks about 3S. 3S is a HORRIBLY balanced. The only reason so many characters are played is because the game has been out for 200 years and oldhead boomers are naturally going to gravitate towards their niche picks over the years of Ken/Chun/Yun/boredom and stick with them, and because of parries. Parries help level the playing field because they're the strongest mechanic in the game. Nothing else really matters if you can parry reasonably well and know your character somewhat well. A huge % of their commonly used applications are pretty easy to get down if you actually spend time with the game. And even with them, the game is terribly balanced. No one would ever say "Remy or Twelve are actually just fine!" if parries weren't extremely, overbearingly strong compared to everything else. Even with parries helping even the odds, Chun/Yun are 100000% massively, objectively better than low tiers. I love 3S and it is indeed a shitload of fun. But parries are too strong of a mechanic and there's a reason they'll never come back. A lot of people love to coom over the "theoretical infinite skill ceiling" but parries aren't a good mechanic unless you genuinely want the game to be all about parries. Don't listen to FG boomers.
@KarasawaL30
@KarasawaL30 Жыл бұрын
whats worse, FG Boomers talking about an old game they like or people in KZfaq comments being upset about it
@sc065
@sc065 Жыл бұрын
@@KarasawaL30 Your comment comes from a place of being upset. Wtf are you talking about? How about "stupid ass, useless comments that don't add anything but toddler-level dunk attempts"? I think you've won the "what's worse?" competition.
@moon-berserker8870
@moon-berserker8870 Жыл бұрын
​@@KarasawaL30 All these fgc boomers always praise third strike i honestly dont see the hype about this game its old and clunky very boring lol.
@delix8869
@delix8869 Жыл бұрын
I’d rather have 10 FG boomers than a single FG zoomer
@Afr0Thund3r
@Afr0Thund3r Жыл бұрын
@@moon-berserker8870 Just say you're trash at fighting games with no comeback mechanics. Old and clunky? Game's literally faster than 4 and 5 lol
@HarmonicResonanceScale
@HarmonicResonanceScale Жыл бұрын
Broken fighting games are the best. Take guilty gear for example. Everybody does dumb broken shit. Even the worst character has some scummy tech.
@wompastompa3692
@wompastompa3692 Жыл бұрын
NO ONE fucks with Dudley.
@HRKFUNNYMOMENTS
@HRKFUNNYMOMENTS Жыл бұрын
Chun 🍑Cheeks, Now That's GUD Meat🍖
@PatrykG59
@PatrykG59 Жыл бұрын
first hehe lol
@AG-wf2qw
@AG-wf2qw Жыл бұрын
fucking hilarious these sfv players in the chat crying about balancing 3rd strike 😂😂😂😂
@mildsome9713
@mildsome9713 Жыл бұрын
!who
@deviljinmishima
@deviljinmishima Жыл бұрын
sfv does have better balance than third strike
@AG-wf2qw
@AG-wf2qw Жыл бұрын
@@deviljinmishima no shit really ??? Y u think that is ? Please tell me y there was so many updates to garbage fighter 5 ?
@deviljinmishima
@deviljinmishima Жыл бұрын
@@AG-wf2qw maybe third strike would be a good game if it got that many updates as well lol
@AG-wf2qw
@AG-wf2qw Жыл бұрын
@@deviljinmishima lmao 3rd strike is far superior to sfv....wht do u mean by good game ?
@elsamurai1220
@elsamurai1220 Жыл бұрын
DBfighter Z is another one of those games where almost every character is viable because of the system mechanics. But of course Aris will never play it 😆.
@smugpug3093
@smugpug3093 Жыл бұрын
Aris surprisingly gave it a shot like 5 years ago ~ but yeah he doesn't play anime fighters at all. I don't blame him.
@benjaminyoung9694
@benjaminyoung9694 Жыл бұрын
Hes right. Other than 3rd strike and SoulC 2, and Melee, Every other game doesnt allow "potential"
@neloverg3774
@neloverg3774 Жыл бұрын
People complain about how clunky the lack of input buffer and shit maks shit makes a gems like melee feel because your input is your input no matter what. But imo that shit feels good when you Crack that first layer. Idk how tight 3S is UT 3S feels good to play years later too
@XezatSurgate
@XezatSurgate Жыл бұрын
third strike is a zoomer game
@clelvis225
@clelvis225 Жыл бұрын
Thoughts are trash and dumb to smoke
@tonyelectionfraud669
@tonyelectionfraud669 Жыл бұрын
This game sucks
@fuckyou7037
@fuckyou7037 Жыл бұрын
Fucking LOL! Aris vs. his stream monsters is a 10 - 0 matchup!
@antiquechodeshow2443
@antiquechodeshow2443 Жыл бұрын
"sfiv is fun to watch but 3s is far more fun to play " Honestly feel this. Felt like sfiv finals were extremely entertaining to watch and you could follow the action with just a rudimentary knowledge of the game . Where as 3s can be a little laborious to watch if you dont have intimate knowledge of confirms and matchups. 3s still is extremely fun once you get a handle of the game mechanics.
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