This is why there should not be one guy at the top surrounded by “yes” men. All if us- even the most talented, most spiritual-seeming- all of us need to be truly accountable to others and also receive from the gifts we have each been given to help the body.
@bordendonna8 ай бұрын
But Cult leaders are always the guy at the top of the autocracy
@christianwoudenberg33938 ай бұрын
True, this is very hard in the charismatic movement nowadays because we base our ministry structures on degrees of friendship and emotional support for one another. Thats like glueing a Jenga tower you cannot just remove one piece, every person becomes a stumbling block. Leaders fill their boards with unconditionally loyal people (often less spiritually mature, codependent or close buddies, needing the friendship for ministry scale and affiliations) just to feel unified and it helps them when dealing with evil stuff. But it makes biblical eldership with impartial decisions, putting in consequence regardless of relational consequence.
@christianwoudenberg33938 ай бұрын
Just consider the advocates and the unreal cost it has for their entire testimony, background and network.
@bordendonna8 ай бұрын
@@christianwoudenberg3393 loyalty, donors, reciprocation…it’s all about self promotion, status and money. And there are casualties.
@annachurch53338 ай бұрын
I call this the charismatic pyramid scheme
@brarden18 ай бұрын
My family was there in Atlanta at the same time as the Enlows and we too lived in the community with many of the pastors. We were clueless about the sin that was happening behind the scenes. My children were in the church's school and we began to have concerns about what was being taught and how my children were beginning to behave. The unfolding of the story is now history but my children all left the church and will have nothing to do with the faith as a result of this experience. I am trusting God to set them free and bring them back to Jesus and the Kingdom but I am persuaded that we MUST bring all the false doctrine, lies and hiddenness into the truth and light. God is doing this shaking and we must allow God to bring correction and sanctification. Future generations are at risk.
@gretchen7628 ай бұрын
I'm standing and Declaring WITH YOU that What the Enemy has Stolen from YOUR CHILDREN HAS BEEN RESET and that your FUTURE generations Will Know The TRUTH of how GOD RESTORED Your family BACK To Him and Fullfilled Their Destiny God had for them before He Spoke the Earth and the Heavenlies into being! We declare Your Truth over This family of @brarden1 In Jesus's Name...Amen!~Nothing CAN Stop What Is Happening.......Nothing🙏🔥💪🏼🇺🇸🌎
@jamesphilips1948 ай бұрын
You may want to consider a good Christian counselor to help deal with the cult-like brain washing they experienced. I am a Spirit-Filled Christian whose seen this before. IHOP applies techniques to gain influence over children by destroying their trust of their parents as step 1.
@ezbody7 ай бұрын
Your children are 100% right, and they will never return to the church of liars, cheaters and abusers. How can it even be called a church anymore, when it's a den of thieves and brood of vipers? The so-called Christians have been cheating on God with a most primitive "grab them by their p.u.s.s.y" con-man. They have been slandering and dehumanising their fellow human beings. And because they refused to admit that they let darkness rule their hearts, they have lost their God, their children, their friends and their family. Most of them will never recover from this.
@conradaxe38956 ай бұрын
I'm sure that you mean well, but using "declarations" to control circumstances and people is NOT Biblical.
@jayhawk26892 ай бұрын
in the corporate world these men would be arrested!
@borneyraybergantine21248 ай бұрын
No man puts an abused woman alone with that wicked man.
@user-tw3cb8ns7p8 ай бұрын
God is shaking everything that can be shaken. I believe that this is a work of God in this situation.
@jayhawk26892 ай бұрын
IHOP is a cult
@LadyJaneJolene8 ай бұрын
These letters are indicative of a skilled manipulator presenting not so veiled threats. With spiritual authority overtones. He goes the extra mile trying to walk the tight rope of you can trust me, to I don’t trust you, to you don’t trust me, to I trust you will do the “right” thing. An exhausting attempt to try everything in the book to silence them. I think it’s high time that MB’s reign is over. Reminds me so much of the attempts Saul made to appear to be spiritual “Samuel- I saved all these livestock to make sacrifices to the Lord!” while walking in abject disobedience. And behind closed doors he was throwing spears and raving at David & Jonathan- the truest noble men around him. Perhaps the biggest red flag in all of this- is how many people believed Bickle was a righteous man. While he was actively grooming, gifting, lying to, fornicating, & threatening young victims. The church is crippled by a lack of discernment. If we want to believe a person to be good- we find ways to defend them at all costs. But it’s better to expose any red flag appropriately as soon as it pops up. How many could have been spared being deceived by this man had the signs of his sin been addressed early on and with firm decisiveness. Ravi Zacharias take 2. Especially grieving to me- because I have loved ones who got sucked up into this IHOP cult (which I started calling it after my own research years ago). They started following Bickle wholesale. And my warnings were treated with a great and mighty rebuke that I had no discernment and did not know the spirit of God. Resulting in broken fellowship. I know I’m not alone. 💔
@AlizaDasha8 ай бұрын
The big shots manipulated everybody's emotions and made them feel good and gave nice sounding prophecies and powerful encouraging words and wonderful music played to hypnotic voices. That's why everybody loved them and thought they were great ones of God. Yes undo the heavy burdens Folks must and should be vexed over evil and abuse and oppression. Rebuke them. Do not be silenced or take a bribe when you see evil and oppression and a bribe. Learn to do well. Seek judgement Relieve the oppressed. Do not be a part of extortion Or cover up Do not say I knew it not Undo, Yes undo, the heavy burdens Yes do break every yoke Loose the bands of wickedness Relieve the oppressed Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. 1 Corinthians 5 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you Revelation 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts Psalm 103:6 The Lord executeth righteousness and judgment for all that are oppressed. Proverbs 17:23 A wicked man taketh a gift out of the bosom to pervert the ways of judgment 2 Peter 2 3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not... 6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: Psalm 146:7 Which executeth judgment for the oppressed: which giveth food to the hungry. The Lord looseth the prisoners Deuteronomy 16:19 Thou shalt not wrest judgment; thou shalt not respect persons, neither take a gift: for a gift doth blind the eyes of the wise, and pervert the words of the righteous Isaiah 1:17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow. Isaiah 58:6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? Exodus 23:8 And thou shalt take no gift: for the gift blindeth the wise, and perverteth the words of the righteous Ezekiel 22:12 In thee have they taken gifts to shed blood; thou hast taken usury and increase, and thou hast greedily gained of thy neighbours by extortion, and hast forgotten me, saith the Lord God Jude 1 12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; 13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever 1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat
@DebraCossu8 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for making things clear. I'm so broken and sad being here 21 years pouring out my life and knowing nothing about all this. My heart aches for all who have been hurt, and that the current leadership team has known this before this came into public view, and knows this precious couple and those helping them, and that they are honorable and telling the truth. How can they continue to try and hide and cover up.... have they forgotten GOD knows all this and even more that has happened and been said. Jesus is the One turning over the tables and making truth know. This is no accusation; it is a real testimony of someone's real life story! GOD, PLEASE INTERVENE SOON, FOR THE GLORY OF YOUR OWN NAME!
@WakeUpandWinPodcast8 ай бұрын
Nothing is wasted. All of those years before the Lord, not in a "room". I remember you Debra! You are a true intercessor. Bless you friend!
@Mint-kj9kw8 ай бұрын
Debra.....your book rocked me as a young Christian.
@aimeepeterson53828 ай бұрын
I’m not great at using KZfaq but I think my comments here about Restored Voices Collective keeps getting deleted? Julie Roys has interviewed survivors who share about RVC. It’s a safe place to connect with other survivors. Boz and GRACE are friends of RVC.
@sherylturnerturner13528 ай бұрын
@@WakeUpandWinPodcast That is 100% correct.
@debravan-aalst47238 ай бұрын
@@lynnfarley7859 Jeremiah , when he was prophesying, had only one recorded follower, Baruch 🙏
@DL-ip4im8 ай бұрын
This email says it all. There is no remorse, no repentance, no denial. The financial plug just got pulled, veiled threats made… 10 I think. There’s something very wrong here!
@AlizaDasha8 ай бұрын
Acts 8 9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: 10 To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God. 11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries 1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat Matthew 7 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 2 Corinthians 11 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. 2 John 1 6 And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it. 7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8 Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward. 9 Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, 11 for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works
@kathiewalters8 ай бұрын
Con man
@lynnfarley78598 ай бұрын
Bickle would make a better Mormon- doing his multiple wives thing out in his compound openly. The luke warm self serving hypocrisy is so putrid.
@debravan-aalst47238 ай бұрын
He is a master of manipulation, a full on narcissist
@Tendervittle8 ай бұрын
This is just the beginning
@HushHush-xt7so8 ай бұрын
Worse than a narcissist, Bickle is a depraved, conscience-seared sociopath.
@cultdoctor1008 ай бұрын
Repentance requires true brokenness. Repentance is NOT asking the Lord for forgiveness with the intent to sin again. Repentance is an honest, regretful acknowledgement of sin with commitment to change. Repentance leads us to cultivate godliness while eradicating habits that lead into sin
@earlteigrob92118 ай бұрын
The hardest thing for me to get my head around is the this was all so premeditated and spanning so many years, even during the start of IHOPKC. Unbelievable!!!!
@user-cz6do6rx9i8 ай бұрын
You're right no more celebrity pastors.
@reidferguson33868 ай бұрын
For someone who says God told him never to defend himself - this entire exchange is nothing but an attempt at self-defense. But the most troubling is the single - deafening omission - he just never says “not guilty, none of this is true.” Why not? That’s not defending himself, that is simply setting the truth forward. But it would appear he is incapable of simply saying “no. None of this happened. She is simply mistaken, wrong, lying, whatever.” Why never a simple straightforward denial? That should trouble everyone.
@jamesphilips1948 ай бұрын
he answered that question yesterday when he confessed to Jane's accusations.
@m.e.b98 ай бұрын
Thank you. This is hard. the emails made my head spin and stomach hurt. BUT it must be heard. You are appreciated more than can be expressed
@WakeUpandWinPodcast8 ай бұрын
We know. We keep feeling like it can't get worse. Then it does :( Leaning into Jesus these days. Thanks for your kind comments.
@BrotherJohnElving8 ай бұрын
🙋♂ Blessings from Canada 🇨🇦 I am praying for all involved. God bless your family. Bro J 🙏
@lionjudah89008 ай бұрын
I attended Kansas City Fellowship (KCF) from 1988-1994. I respected Mike as a teacher, however, I will never forget around 1991-1994 a couple who were in leadership in KCF confided to myself and others that, "Mike is very cunning and crafty." They resigned from leadership and left the church. A year ago in December of 2022, the Lord gave me this warning about "wolves, imposters among the flock who either snuck in or became corrupted while in the flock." Jude 1:4, Acts 20:29-30 Friends our loyalty must to be to the Lord Jesus first and foremost not to people!
@marshayoder76278 ай бұрын
Lord lord have we not prophesied in your name?...but then God said said: I never knew you...we certainly live in the great apostasy
@AmericanDreamAlbum8 ай бұрын
This video is KEY. It’s important now, but will be important months and years from now. Make sure you keep all of these videos on an external hard drive also. Especially the ones you did live through KZfaq. Just in case…
@debravan-aalst47238 ай бұрын
That Mike Bickle has had the encounters he says he has had with the Lord does not ring true, evil spirits disguised as the Lord and Michael the archangel perhaps , but not the Holy One who hates sin🙏
@hyacinthbucket5938 ай бұрын
Of the hundreds? thousands? of supernatural encounters and visions I've ever heard of, I have believed exactly two. My first significant exposure to MB was the series Remnant Radio did on him a year or two ago. I like the RR guys, and they really admired him, but I got serious spiritual ick from the Bick. The way he sat there grinning like a monkey as he recounted his "prophetic history" really looked like "duper's delight" to me.
@HushHush-xt7so8 ай бұрын
@@hyacinthbucket593 Mike Bickle and Bob Jones were both fabulists. They made up long elaborate stories like fiction writers. Both were pathological liars, but the church is just not used to fabulists in our midst, so not many really doubted any of their tall tales. The default opinion was they are valid because you can't prove they are fake, instead of assuming they are fake unless there is great cause to believe they are valid.
@rebeccarachel26268 ай бұрын
I haven't heard from anyone in regards to Mike's wife. Unless she is complicit with his sexual and spiritual abuse has anyone inquired about her well being? I can't imagine what she is going through.
@pennymartin70198 ай бұрын
I also think of her often
@jasonc.n.48428 ай бұрын
I think she’s dead right?
@tracirogers97198 ай бұрын
No she is very much alive.
@myramoir40568 ай бұрын
No, she is not dead.
@startingovaries8 ай бұрын
I think Diane is more complicit than victim. Therefore she's as guilty as Mike.
@dj40058 ай бұрын
Shocking that Mike NEVER denies the allegations, he just tries to turn it all around on Doe and to rewrite the narrative and bring judgment and threats. I'm thinking Mike has lost his way BIG TIME!
@Peonies9258 ай бұрын
Narcissistic. This is what they do!
@ruthmayforth59338 ай бұрын
Yes, his repeated presuuring them to tell “God’s narrative” on this - as if that could in any way be different from the truth - was VERY disturbing.
@tmoon92978 ай бұрын
God's narrative on David was exposure of all his sins. And he had to live with the consequences for the rest of his days
@tmoon92978 ай бұрын
I think he confessed his sins privately to God without accountability to others and "pushed delete" like he has always preached and went on with his life and ministry.
@ruthmayforth59338 ай бұрын
@@tmoon9297 that is pretty much what he said he did in his email… very sad, sounds like Jude 1:4 to me: “For certain individuals… have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality”. He says he loves Jesus - Does he realize Jesus is THE TRUTH? He does not seem to love turth, but loves twisting it.
@thesnootyfox8 ай бұрын
“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.” “No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning.”
@deborahlee44418 ай бұрын
It really sounds like Mike is delusional. At times it sounds like he’s not all there. It’s disturbing. I really think that the birth of this ministry should be examined again. It is a very shaky start.
@Tendervittle8 ай бұрын
The first prophet bob jones left mental institution and hit the prophetic circuit/circus. Each prophet after more sexual deviant-> Todd Bentley is an actual demon🧌 bickle and his son were both taking advantage of women within their community. Money/power/sex/ white nationalist baby jesus - hillbilly spirituality
@HushHush-xt7so8 ай бұрын
Absolutely. Bickle says he went to KC from STL because of a personal prophecy by Augustine Alcala (?sp), who also prophesied his brother Pat would get healed and the healing would start a revival in KC. Then his bro died. Which makes you wonder if Bickle should never have moved to KC, that he moved on a false prophecy. The founding of IHOP is based on claimed revelations of Bob Jones, a very weird false prophet, and claimed revelations of Bickle. I believe they both lied about their grandiose revelations to draw people to their churches and ministries, so people would believe they were part of some special move of God. Total fraud. If somebody strapped a lie detector to Bickle that went off whenever he lied, I don't think we'd ever hear him talk for five minutes uninterrupted.
@starcazm.8 ай бұрын
Mafia Mike says: just press delete and move on!
@donnathompson7398 ай бұрын
This is all just SICK. the way MB writes in those emails sounds scattered, desperate, controlling, and frankly, immature.
@GutzyCall7 ай бұрын
Grateful to have found this type of space for information. I have removed myself from anything regarding this the day IHOPKC made an official announcement and I learned of the allegations. Thank you.
@wordsoflife428 ай бұрын
Dude, I'm like half-way through this and I'm literally sick to my stomach 🤢 thank you guys for doing this, I have no words for the sense of deep disdain I feel toward religious manipulation & language of this sort by so-called "leaders" in the church anymore. I dealt with this as a young follower of Christ, these men who fortify themselves behind walls of pretense and a fortress of "Bull Dung" (Leviticus 8:17). White-washed Christianity has been plaguing Christendom...so while this situation sucks, it has been very refreshing to hear your hearts that can actually see through the glass house ⛪
@brittanyparistx8 ай бұрын
Thank you again for continuing to report on this. Y’all have the best coverage and I just love you two!!! Y’all are an awesome couple and I pray your family and home are blessed and covered.
@chrisgemmell1028 ай бұрын
Mike believes in forgiveness without accountability or restitution or truth.
@debravan-aalst47238 ай бұрын
or true repentance
@tmoon92978 ай бұрын
He deceived himself and thought he got away with it. But God will not be mocked.
@judahg29038 ай бұрын
No one teaches n what you do after the confession and forgiveness part. You are right. I aught a class one on restitution, it’s all through the Bible. It’s the hard relational stuff we need to do to repair damage from our sin, even after full forgiveness.
@borneyraybergantine21248 ай бұрын
What makes a cult is they let others make the leaders becomes the final authority. Instead of scripture, the Holy Spirit. Diostrophis would not even let the Apostels speak truth into his life or the church of Jesus Christ!
@lauravictorious46708 ай бұрын
That is what Fauci became--he IS science.
@RjB5558 ай бұрын
Thank you for your consistent pursuit of the truth
@55decoy8 ай бұрын
What Mike's doing is manipulation. My ex husband did and said almost the exact same things to me last year when I finally realized who he was: a snake in the grass. Wolf in sheep's clothing. Reading/hearing these emails is TRIPPY how similar the things Mike said and what my ex said to me. The desperation when they're called to account.... Desperate for secrecy and "ask the Lord, He'll tell you I'm good. He'll give you peace. He told me I'm xyz... And he'll tell you too. Just ASK the Lord!" I'm convinced that both Mike and my ex really believe the bs they're saying. So so so deep in denial. Demonic.
@melissaschmitt44157 ай бұрын
Been there done that too! A RELIGIOUS NARCISSIST 🎯
@55tacoma8 ай бұрын
I have watched all your videos on the IHOP KC Mike Bickle mess, thank you for keeping us up on all this. I myself, was in a Christian Community “cult” back in the 1970’s, and sexual sin was rampant, which included my husband, who was a leader in the group. You suggested the “Shiny Happy People” video, which I never heard of! This led me to watch the “Duggar” stories about Bill Gothard and that whole mess! Wow! One important thing out of all this is we must be on high alert with great deception in these end of days! Jesus warned us many times, just look up how many times this word is spoken! Also, the word “snare”. Watching from Portland, Oregon❤
@shawncervantes88908 ай бұрын
Guys, the clinical/psychological term for his behavior/language is gaslighting. He’s gaslighting everyone. That is a classic trait of a narcissist.
@cultdoctor1008 ай бұрын
TRUE REPENTANCE IS A TURNING AWAY FROM YOUR SIN.
@zo3n1kos8 ай бұрын
I am sorry but I find it really hard to believe that he would go to Paris with multiple women and that no one knew about it?
@migrantson8 ай бұрын
Mike is lucky Jane Does husband chose to be a man of peace. If my beloved wife whole-heartedly confided in me the deep pain of her abuse that she has carried in secret for over 20 years and I had a chance to meet eye to eye with the abuser- and that man looked me in my face and said "your wife is wrong/confused/mistaken/lying etc (blah blah blah)" booooi......it would be REALLY hard for me not to lay hands upon the sick and faithfully impart upon him the blessing of a Pop-Eyes 6 piece Signature Hot with a side of cajun fries!... BOGO if our meeting is on a Tues, my guy...Have a KC Prophet lookin like a Son of Sceva in the flip of a page......GOD HELP US this whole thing is heartbreaking and infuriating :(
@joelwebster14518 ай бұрын
I mentioned something similar to your statement just a few minutes ago about the guys anger in proverbs cannot be bought off , sadly the guy is still under der Mike's spell
@migrantson8 ай бұрын
@joelwebster1451 thats a heck of a proverb...ABSOLUTELY, man.
@queenflint52638 ай бұрын
this..Amen!
@tmoon92978 ай бұрын
He needs some five-fold ministry through the laying on of hands
@migrantson8 ай бұрын
@tmoon9297 lol 4real tho ;(
@emilygurnee77778 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for bringing up the worship of celebrity pastors. These past few years have certainly been an exposure and unraveling of the idol that we have made it. Praying for justice and realignment… that we would fix our eyes on Jesus alone.
@jeffniebergall21488 ай бұрын
Hey thanks for covering the waterfront. So many people will be processing this for years to come and you insights will help the body of Christ move forward through this tremendously difficult situation.
@donnaeid28628 ай бұрын
After seeing these emails if I were at IHOPKC I would get up and get out of there! This is too messed up and we are called to guard our hearts! We surely need discernment in this hour! Now I just want to turn this off and go back to loving and adoring Our Lord and trusting He will bring this to a just conclusion! Wake up and win keep pressing for justice! It is so encouraging seeing the next generation deal with this issue with discernment!🙏🏼
@M_Soaring8 ай бұрын
RUN! RUN! RUN! FROM WHORE OF BABYLON!!
@Tendervittle8 ай бұрын
Signs wonders and prophetic words😂😂😂😂
@francine64858 ай бұрын
He drugged her...thats why she didn't remember
@debravan-aalst47238 ай бұрын
H e gave something awa when he said to Jane Doe that the house they shared would look basic ( conservative)from the front ( what people see) but would be very spacious at the back 🤷🏻♀️
@guadalupeeg50348 ай бұрын
I honestly don't think Mike is 100% well in the head. And his theology is nuts too...I don't get how people just follow him blind. That whole thing about Diane dying in an earthquake is sickening. If I were Diane, I would walk out and never come back.
@M_Soaring8 ай бұрын
She might also be under hie entire delusion :(:(
@Tendervittle8 ай бұрын
The church is desperate for cheap entertainment with a prosperity promise. The majority of the church will do anything but the works of Christ. Blind leading the blind
@louisewright87698 ай бұрын
the wife must have known about her husband Mike but she choose to turn a blind eye .
@koltrane708 ай бұрын
COME CLEAN MIKE!
@danielrickettsmusic8 ай бұрын
Blaise, I can confirm Joanna's story...I remember her mentioning this to me way back in 2004. I also have another friend from IHOP who told me that Mike told her that she was also able to be the next Misty...and this woman also rejected the offer. I don't recall if my friend was offered an apartment though.
@kristineeuribe43576 ай бұрын
Back in the day, mike Bickle and Rick Joyner were the ones to publicly call out paul caim for his sin. And at the same time then, Mike was already commiting adultry himself. How sad. I loved IHOP and went to preophetic congerences a little more than 20 years ago. This makes me so sick.
@clairstberry53158 ай бұрын
Thank you for your righteous pursuit of truth and championing the weak. Satan wanted to destroy the reputation of Jesus by making it seem that Jesus would side with lust and lies and raw power. Thank you for defendingGod’s great name with truth. He would scorn to build His kingdom on a lie
@loispappademos43698 ай бұрын
One other thing, God hates the sin of adultery....Mike is a married man....no adulterer will enter the kingdom of God.
@HerMajesty18 ай бұрын
I feel horrible for Diane. As someone who had been cheated on for many years, she must be crushed. She is as much a victim as Jane Doe. Her entire life has been a lie of her husband's making.
@loispappademos43698 ай бұрын
Yes, I am the mother of eight children and my husband also cheated on me. Such a hurtful betrayl.@@HerMajesty1
@clairstberry53158 ай бұрын
She knew. She had a duty to the youth to tell the truth She certainly knew.
@afaithf8 ай бұрын
how do you know she didnt know?
@mandysand56838 ай бұрын
@@HerMajesty1 Like Ravi Zacharias!
@damama42098 ай бұрын
Jane Doe has to break the soul tie she has with him as that was formed when they came together and that should only be with your spouse and no one else.
@laurareed26148 ай бұрын
Thank you all so much for your loving kindness in how you are PEACEFULLY SHARING THIS. BLESS YOU ALL. PRAYING 4 PROTECTION FOR ALL. HEALING COME LJC THE GOLDEN BOWLS BEING FILLED WITH LOVING PRAYERS PRAYERS RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENTS
@user-tw3cb8ns7p8 ай бұрын
My biggest question in all of this is where was his wife during all of this?
@vanderHoffTeachings8 ай бұрын
This email makes it worse for Mike, not better.
@Aliveanddreaming8 ай бұрын
Typos corrected: For such a time as this. I am not saying “thus saith the Lord“. But one of the things that comes to mind, is that God removed you from that place years ago after revealing some things to you that didn’t feel right to your spirit. Perhaps your time there was preparation for exposing the corruption now?
@SuperBrookeyT8 ай бұрын
I was on staff for 3 years in the mid-2000s and all of this is so shocking. Also, weird bunny trail but we were asked to sign an agreement as staff members that we wouldn’t drink alcohol. I mean all of this is sooooo manipulative and it makes me feel like I was a part of a big fat lie.
@judahg29038 ай бұрын
Whatever you did in sincerity unto the Lord is with Him and this dies not affect all the time of prayer and worship each individual poured out to the Lord if it was unto Him.
@MM-d2898 ай бұрын
You’re complaining of being told not to drink alcohol? Why would anyone who’s being translated from the world’s darkness to God’s light want to drink alcohol?
@startingovaries8 ай бұрын
It's a cult. You were duped.
@jamesphilips1948 ай бұрын
@@MM-d289 perhaps you can ask Jesus about that, he drank alcoholic drinks - "The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by her deeds.” Matt 11:19. total abstinence is a fairly recent American thing. the rest of the global church is free to enjoy without getting drunk.
@TheRealKenF7 ай бұрын
Seems like everything involving Mike is a big fat lie. No surprise though; once people become more popular in “ministry” they tend to fall away.
@mandysand56838 ай бұрын
I am an evangelical Christian but I never followed IHOP. I did not know Mike Bickle but have friends who followed this ministry. I am a victim of a spouse who was an Associate Pastor being unfaithful to me with my best friend. He also went on to have another affair a few years later with a coworker. All I can say is these email conversations sound like someone who is a manipulative narcissist who blames everyone else. He thinks he somehow has a free pass to sin. It's always everyone else's fault! These emails are very revealing of the character of this Pastor. I know that this is the time of separation of the sheep and the goats that first starts with the Church. God knows our hearts and our motives. It's time for everyone to search their hearts and repent. He's coming for a pure and spotless bride!
@carolyndavid79778 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for helping us to get a better picture of what is really going on. I am like you. I always respected Mike Bickle and the ministry of IHOP. This is so very heart breaking to hear all this. But, he must be accountable and not do a slippery slide away from accountability. I agree with that 100%. If he would just own up to his abuse and using scripture to excuse his sin ....it would clear the air.
@bethandryan8 ай бұрын
Hiii, amazing coverage you guys. I have greatly appreciated your hearts and research. The only thing I would add is the fact that Jane Doe’s report said that MB “ordered her a couple rounds of cocktails,” as opposed to alluding to many drinks, which might indicate something even more sinister. Not trying to jump to conclusions about what happened/didn’t happen, but figured I’d add the differentiation based on her statement between how likely it would be to black out after solely a couple of drinks vs a night of binge drinking, if that makes sense
@apisme90908 ай бұрын
I am thinking she was roofied, which makes this all so much worse.
@julieelliott-eickenroth73178 ай бұрын
It's likely he used a date rape drug. Which may explain why JD said MB was "gone all day" and no one could find him. He may have been scoring the drug so he could use it that night. Not saying I know for sure, but it's very possible.
@mgh9267 ай бұрын
by the sound of it he really commited a rape through illegal drugging against someone's will and against sexual consent, if this was the UK, he would immediately in jail.
@sallymatthews7296 ай бұрын
Flunitrazepam/ date rape drug is not hard to get. I’d bet on that.
@lavadamorrison45698 ай бұрын
Wow, all the gaslighting is intense. So much of this email is a lot of word salad, sounding so immature. So surprised that he is not more eloquent in his speech and in the way he puts his thoughts together. He is making veiled threats and some not so veiled. This is all coming from a grandiose narcissist. Add a little dose of being a victim making excuses as to why he cannot continue the communication, poor guy had fever that day.
@chrisabshier82808 ай бұрын
How convenient to have a personal policy where you stay silent in the name of not defending yourself
@faithworks2178 ай бұрын
There is a person in my life who has a tendency to gaslight, rewrite history, and when confronted about her past, sighs like a martyr and refuses to defend herself. That's because she did the things whereof she was accused and can't wiggle out of it.
@barryhammond98396 ай бұрын
Thank you for your honest and level-headed commentary! When I hear about yet another Christian leader manipulating his flock through "special visions" and "dreams" it makes me totally sick! Why are Christians not satisfied with just the gospel and instead run after people claiming to be apostles and prophets! People like Mike are definitely cult leaders -- sad to say.
@morganrainey1768 ай бұрын
Finally we get actual story of what Mike Bickle’s been up to. Lots of episodes about IHOP and Bickle and until now. Thanks for getting into the nitty gritty. I can’t believe Mike kept IHOP going this long.
@charliesmith123458 ай бұрын
What Mike Bickle did is terrible. But the bridal paradigm and the prophetic movement are FAR WORSE. These teachings will continue to ruin lives long after Mike Bickle is gone from the scene. Consider the number of shipwrecked lives by men like Todd Bentley, John Arnott, Che Ahn, Mike Bickle, Bill Johnson, Rick Joyner, Lou Engle, Kim Clement, Bob Jones, Paul Cain and Allen Hood!! People need to COME OUT of these movements entirely. Focusing on Mike Bickle's sexual sins (instead of his false prophecy and false teaching) is not enough to save the young unsteady souls from these wicked movements. You do not have to become a calvinist or a cessationist or reject the work of the Holy Spirit in order to clearly reject the NAR and their teachings.
@AC-kn4mx8 ай бұрын
What would you describe as the "bridal paradigm" and "the prophetic movement"?
@shannon-leighntshikose51788 ай бұрын
So now everyone must be lumped together. I don't that's fair.
@AlizaDasha8 ай бұрын
Acts 8 9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: 10 To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God. 11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries 1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat Matthew 7 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 2 Corinthians 11 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. Acts 8 9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: 10 To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God. 11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries 2 John 1 6 And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it. 7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8 Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward. 9 Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, 11 for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works
@borneyraybergantine21248 ай бұрын
Great discernment!
@suemeself69958 ай бұрын
And have you heard of count Zinzendorf and his sexual fetishes? 🤢 Mike loves him. He was also a freemason.
@ednang10988 ай бұрын
Do not be a judge unless God has called you or you are ready to be one. Please pray and see from the eyes of God. Yet, Mike was wrong about 20 plus years ago but is he still wrong or sinful today? If no, please let him go and move on. I am a major warning prophet and an apostle like Apostle Paul. Please read carefully. Please understand that it is true that we must obey the Bible including Matthew 18:15-17 for peacemaking (reconciliation). I have been praying for IHOPKC. Remember that we need evidence, witnesses to accuse a pastor or a minister (1 Timothy 5:19,20)! If not, the case in many years ago 20+ should be closed! We must understand also that the prophecy and the revelation of the truth from the Holy Spirit are needed for judgment against a pastor or a minister! Jane Doe was also responsible for this sin! Why she allowed it from the beginning? Why didn't she voice out at the time of this sinful act? Please be just!
@encouragingword11728 ай бұрын
Its all ridiculous to keep dragging this out. Complainants need to get an attorney, lay all the cards on the table and get this resolved. Women of this generation are not uneducated, oppressed or voiceless. Many Women have fought hard so others could have justice. Going along only means it continues and hurts others. Complacency and complicity are not marks of strong believers. All ungodly men will continue to do the wrong things if no one stands against it. Esther risked her very life. Mary was scorned. Ruth left everything she’d ever known. Abigail went against her husband’s decision. All were rewarded! The Bible is full of examples of strong female believers. If all 5 of the accusers were consensual (regardless of the reasons) then the problems definitely run deep on both sides but it still needs to be resolved ASAP for the sake of the church.
@heyyou98398 ай бұрын
Agree!! I say this as a feminist
@jarvisnelson47018 ай бұрын
Wait, what? Michael the archangel gave Bickle a revelation? Shades of Joseph Smith! That is enough for any Christian to brand ihop a cult.
@dij37818 ай бұрын
I have never heard of Mike Bickle or IHOP and I'm glad GOD spared me. He is a piece of work!
@Mint-kj9kw8 ай бұрын
Most people know IHOP because of the music (Misty Edwards, etc).
@shortfinancial8 ай бұрын
My wife and I just watched this one live when y’all released it. I’m an accountant and happy to volunteer my expertise in financial analysis like you mentioned. If you hear of a way to do this please let me know.
@JC-ew9zq8 ай бұрын
This is awesome, thank you
@godlychristian82578 ай бұрын
Did Diane’s real-estate company find - fund - donate or ‘sponsor’ the apartments - for these young women to live in - as a write-off from IHOP’s/ 501c3 ?
@shortfinancial8 ай бұрын
@@godlychristian8257 I will search for their Form 990, which would be public information. It likely won’t explain specific transactions like this, but it should show larger donors and affiliated entities which could help connect the dots. Otherwise, the best source to use would be their financial statements, which are internal and non public so that will be hard to do unless those are made public somehow.
@suemeself69958 ай бұрын
I looked up financial records for IHOP, and I think it's good to note that, while it looks like they paid their staff a regular salary, that they can hide extra funds in other places; and that they make more money off of book/cd sales, and raise their own support on top of that. I'd like to know where Mike got the money to fund these girls apartments, trips, clothes, etc. Was is ministry money- or was Mike paying out of pocket? Does Diane hold the records? That might explain how much she actually knew about it.
@ChelleSpoon6 ай бұрын
I’ve only heard of IHOP but never followed the ministry. Never heard of Mike Bickle until last week, perhaps two weeks ago. In 2018, Holy Spirit downloaded a book for me to write and soon after, He revealed the second half of this book. Pt1 is Hidden No More - You Should Have Caught Me Before I Knew Who I Was. This part addressed those who discovered their identity in Christ and no longer will allow themselves to be bound by controlling leadership. But the second half is what the Body of Christ is truly dealing with and that is the exposure of, not just leadership in the Body of Christ, but the WELL KNOWN leaders! PT2 is titled Hidden No More - For There Will Be EXPOSURE …EVEN GREATER. The man in this video just said “This is a judgment and we need to stop worshipping leaders, etc.” When we refuse God’s grace to repent, know that we give an open door for exposure. It breaks my heart to hear what Holy Spirit reveals in prayer, write about it, and then see it over and over unfolding. 😢
@ChelleSpoon6 ай бұрын
One more thing as you’re asking where is the $ coming from, there will ALWAYS be enablers! Rest assured they too will be exposed as well.
@MSA-uj7cp8 ай бұрын
Great, compassionate and insightful analysis and commentary of the situation... I really hope that Mike listens. He should repent, PRESS DELETE.... but also come clean, go public and resign from ministry. And then go through a period of restoration.
@afaithf8 ай бұрын
he should never be restored.🤮
@suemeself69958 ай бұрын
I think he can press delete on his career at this point.
@jamesba-xd7xf8 ай бұрын
nearly ALL of this could have been avoided if people rejected extrabiblical "prophecy" where some leader says "God spoke to me and told me XYZ". we only need the word of God, NOT the church fathers, extrabiblical revelations, etc. if you accept extrabiblical revelations then I can claim ANYTHING by simply saying " I was in deep prayer and Gods spirit came upon me and told me XYZ". if you object to my prophecy I will simply say " yes but I KNOW God told me". . the greatest enemy to Gods word IS extrabiblical revelation/personal prophecy. with personal prophecy I can go against everything in the bible by claiming God has just given me a "NOW" word from God as opposed to the 2000 year old word of God in the bible. AND Ive never understood this worship of celebrity preachers like bickle, john macarthur, michael brown, T.D. jakes, etc, etc. . . IHOP needs to be disbanded and SOLD with the money refunded to all the people who ever gave to IHOP. mike bickle IS IHOP. there can be no IHOP without bickle. NOW, SADLY here is my prediction.....about 40%-50% of people at IHOP will continue to support bickle/IHOP ......the same way Jim bakker and jimmy swaggert STILL have a following.
@SunshineCali1238 ай бұрын
You nailed it 👍🏻👍🏻
@JC-ul1do8 ай бұрын
This is another matter but do you recall Kairos 2017? This was held in Kansas City. This came after a group of people from the same “ stream” ( loosely) went to the vatican. This might be the next dive for people waking from this. Kissing the ring so to speak. This corresponded to Kenneth Copeland broadcasting livestream the Pope into their meeting and stating the Protest is over, ( Referring to the Protestant reformation) and capitulating to the jesuit pope. The attrocities done by the Catholic institution are plainly being revealed. So the problems run deep at Ihop. I have been a witness and believe that foundations are being revealed. The new covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-34 clearly states the intention of what Yeshua came to fulfill. Direct access to God which makes people individuals and not canned replicas of a charismatic leader. This is true healing. Turn directly to God and follow Him to heal from this trauma. I promise that is where authentic healing comes. This is what is happening in the earth. All that can be shaken is so that His Love can anchor and solidify us in who we really are. ❤✨Peace to every broken heart.
@user-th7gb7ge8o8 ай бұрын
My daughter worked as a sports head coach at 2 Christian universities and was appalled by the way the administration forced the coaches to look away when a male athlete raped a female athlete. So this is much more prevalent in the Christian culture at large than we realize. My daughter became very disillusioned with Christians and no longer goes to church, sadly.
@spoolsandbobbins8 ай бұрын
She’ll “go” again when God makes HIS changes. It’ll be because of pure love then, not entertainment or fancy feelings. God is about to pour out His glory.
@user-th7gb7ge8o8 ай бұрын
Thank you, Jeri, for your insightful and kind reply. It is sad and shocking how prevalent this stuff is in the various Christian institutions. It is good that it is being exposed. God bless you.@@wildflower985
@WriteByLisa8 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video. The ongoing manipulation and twisting is so upsetting. But the video is super informative.
@vestibulerock7 ай бұрын
Imagine if the King David and Bathsheba situation played out in modern day within the church? David had the husband killed of the woman he committed adultery with and got pregnant. He went into fixer panic mode and tried to conceal his sin but it didn’t work so he committed murder! If happened today we would yell “wolf!!!” “narcissist” etc etc !.Did God abandon David? In fact the next child of this “horrible” relationship built the temple and ultimately the messiah himself came from that relationship! This is man’s weakness. Mike is a man. It doesn’t discount what The Lord has done since. Mike needs to repent fully and accept all consequences and The Lord will redeem this.
@peterhartgerink40968 ай бұрын
I was never at IHOPKC except as a visitor, but my son lives in KC and I have followed IHOPKC teachings over the years. Although I trusted Mike Bickle for years, I have come to the reluctant conclusion that the allegations against him sound legitimate. So I'm not asking this question as an opponent of what you are doing. Truth needs to come to light. But I am a strong believer in transparency and accountability in these matters. So in that spirit, I have a question in regard to the email excerpt that you referenced. Are you able to offer any explanation as to where this came from? How can we know it's legitimate?
@joelwebster14518 ай бұрын
Mike bickle has been paying her hush money for twenty years he says people will call it a bribe .this poor husband is just now figuring this all out, the scripture in proverbs says that this man's anger can never be bought off ,by giving them money all these years Mike has been keeping the affair alive and this husband is just now figuring this out . Wow
@suemeself69958 ай бұрын
With ministry money? Now that should be uncovered.
@afaithf8 ай бұрын
he wa giving into their ministry with ihop funds
@kpage5928 ай бұрын
No this affair was over before jane doe and husband got married. But husband just found out. Hope that helps.
@ruthmayforth59338 ай бұрын
@@kpage592No, as late as 2018 she got a coded text from him, when he wrote “195” she said that meant “I love you”
@AlizaDasha8 ай бұрын
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock
@Sunny-sk6ln8 ай бұрын
BIG GREETINGS All over from France❤ you are soo cute both and sooo courageous! 😍Thank you for your voice in this disgusting situation 🤮! I know NOW why I was (the Spirit in me) never attrative to him on stage...being myself part of the HOP in switzerland during 4 years, we were always told to do so😮 but I would NEVER finish To LISTEN TO his videos somehow.... Beside the fact that ministrie should be OVER for him⛔️, I think he should be confront and JUDGE as every man on earth who abused womens using drugs and manipulation!!!!like Bill Cosby and.... I ALSO THANK GOD FOR MB'S NO REACTIONS & MAILS we CAN read (silence, manipulation...) THAT ABLES US, NOW TO HAVE THE LIGHT (ACESS) UPON THE WHOLE STINKY THINK🙏 THE REIGNS OF THE NARC'S HAS TO STOP😢!!! FOR ALL THE WOMENS AND VICTIMS OF THE WORLD IN JESUS NAME!!! 😭God starts His regaining POWER(with the church) and I hope this worldwide public situation will bring fruits and VICTORY TO ALL the secrets abuses AGAINST God's daughters that are agonizing(cause no one believes them) because they had NO support in their churches!!! 💖 for all the MB victim's gogogo OPEN YOUR MONTH, the WINDOW is OPEN💪don't give up❤ women's of God❤ and for Diane😢 oups NO words....can't imagine how you feel now🙈🙊😭💪💖
@joniford39798 ай бұрын
Thank you exposing wolves tearing apart the flock. It is not easy to do but keep up God's work of protecting the flock and exposing evil deeds done in secret.
@Star-dj1kw7 ай бұрын
25:40 😵💫the GREAT Mike Bickle’s strategy is to repent before he goes to bed each night?? That’s 3rd grader theology??? What about abiding in the vine Mike? 🙄 I know that’s not the point the victim is trying to make by contacting Mike- whether he is in rightstanding with God. But there is a biblical principle of restitution like Zacchaeus paying people to he stole from. Biblical repentance might absolve us from eternal separation from God but it absolutely does not absolve us from CONSEQUENCES.
@bethwoods60057 ай бұрын
Well said, our eternal salvation is secure, but we aren’t absolved from earthy consequences
@jarvisnelson47018 ай бұрын
WHAT A PASTOR BICKLE HAS TURNED OUT TO BE! Just read his words. They condemn him.
@tmoon92978 ай бұрын
IHOP says they are an expression of 24/7 prayer and 24/7 "WORKS OF JUSTICE". I can't even...
@bordendonna8 ай бұрын
Justice? Well lets hope justice falls back on them.
@GiuseppeJoseph5 ай бұрын
Before all this stuff came to light, I just sensed some kind of anger behind a lot of Bickle's teaching and speaking. I got the same vibe from Pastor MacDonald of Harvest Bible in Chicago suburbs. Same with Bill Hybels.
@tracirogers97197 ай бұрын
The greater the anointing, the greater the attack. Pray for all involved. Beware of deception. We battle not against flesh and blood but against principalities powers and rulers of the darkness.
@denalowry87108 ай бұрын
Could it be that The Lord wants the Prayer/Worship movement to be all about The Lord Jesus Christ? If a movement is based on big leadership or just the ministry- is it not out of order
@alinadeglymes87878 ай бұрын
Overly spiritual language is no longer admirable or exciting to me. It's become apparent to me that it's far too easy to wield it in such a way to disguise manipilation and control. I used to do the same thing too. I hurt vulnerable people and I hurt myself. There's no healing and no growth when we stay in the dark. And the damage we inflict on people only becomes worse when we fight so hard against truth. Truth doesn't sound like fancy words and poetic pictures and good intentions...TRUTH is powerful, clear, piercing light, and simple. I'm praying for Jane Doe and her husband to have discernment and to be protected from the confusion and manipulation. And I'm praying that truth will be fully known for EVERYONE'S healing...all that have neen effected...which is many people.
@otherworld118 ай бұрын
it is a trait of this cult to over spiritualize, create a special and confusing lexicon,. The theology is so corrupted that of course they destroy the faith of folks dumb enough to get sucked into their madness.
@rickorider8 ай бұрын
There is nothing new under the sun. This is exactly what happened in the early 1970s with the Exclusive Brethren led by Jim Taylor. He was found in bed with another brothers wife while on a ministry tour in Scotland UK. All those who support Jim Taylor said he was a pure man and it was an ambush to flush out those who opposed him. They even quoted David and Abishag and excused him for being in bed with this woman. It split the movement and over 8000 left the Exclusive Brethren world wide. They still continue today under Plymouth Brethren Christian Church but their same ideology continues today. They break up families who do not agree with their teaching and the current leader, Bruce Hales is almost equal to Christ. A despicable movement in the name of God. This Mick Bickle situation is just the same. He is unaccountable at the top until someone tells the truth. All very sad. He needs to come clean or it won't go well with him now this is all out. There will be those who still support him even if its all true.
@glassdrummer8 ай бұрын
I understand you're trying to get to the truth but I don't understand why it seems like you don't weight both sides of this situation equally. Isn't it possible that this woman and others misunderstood his words? I don't see the zeal you have for getting justice for the women applied with the same zeal to seeing Mike Bickle vindicated. Wouldn't it be better to hope and be in constant prayer that these allegations aren't true, rather than trying to convince yourselves and your viewers that the case is closed? It would be far better for the Body of Christ to pray the whole truth to come out, no matter which party is vindicated. If these allegations are true then Mike definitely needs to repent publicly and there needs to be accountability for his actions. But, if these allegations are totally false, don't we need to call the women (and the men who helped bring these accusations) out and they need to repent (and yes absolutely we would need to offer forgiveness to them)?
@saraherrick46757 ай бұрын
Really appreciate the stand you take Blaze.
@Simplysunshine877 ай бұрын
Completely narcissistic email. Everything is about him-even when he’s feigning concern for her reputation it all comes back to be about him.
@philipchaisson8 ай бұрын
Pretty sure "God's narrative" is just the truth. Bruh🤦♂️
@hyacinthbucket5938 ай бұрын
Hey, Wake Up and Win, I really am interested in how the whole Gruen thing went down, because MB got a whole lot of mileage out of it, so hopefully a true postmortem can be performed. I mean, I know how MB tells it; I've heard it ad nauseum. Would like to hear from someone NOT in the IHOP camp who was around and in the know. Preferably several "someone"s.
@shortfinancial8 ай бұрын
I was at Metro Christian Fellowship (fka Kansas City Fellowship) from 2004-2006 and know several of the leaders who I believe would have been there before Mike left to start IHOP. That would probably be a good starting point because they’re around the same age as Mike and I would think they witnessed first hand the Ernie situation.
@suemeself69958 ай бұрын
Ernie wrote a book on his findings, just look it up online. You can see what he said, as well as look up his audio recordings of his findings.
@HushHush-xt7so8 ай бұрын
@@suemeself6995I uploaded his famous takedown of Bickle in 1990: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nsmJi7eK39qnXXU.html There's a story Bickle circulated many years later, saying that Gruen had recanted. More lies by pathological liar Bickle. Gruen went on the record saying he had never recanted.
@annakirtley81718 ай бұрын
Amen! This is not a whispering accusation of the enemy. Its actually the Light shining in the dark.
@evangelistbobbypruitt7358 ай бұрын
So glad u guys r doing these videos cuz I've not found but a few out there and have been trying to find out as much as possible cuz I sent a close fam member there a really close one bout 20 yrs ago and steuart g was over the fire in the night program and another friend was in the internship for years n met her mate there but moved on eventually so I've sent many there and my close fam one I sent refuses to even watch any of this and is believing Dwayne Robert's is doing something wrong and it's impossible for my fam mem believe or to listen to what I'm gleaning from all I've seen in these. They were going up there some during the Israel fast and keep it on the big screen for watching with the other fam members every night esp liking Mike bickles Stuart and issac Bennett teaching and are not open to anything else! I too was hoping it's all false but now we can for sure see Mike is not what everyone thought! The first time I saw Ihop was in trailer no building yet but saw how it grew and affected so many ! It's very sad but I regret encouraging others to go but I am disappointed that my discernment was dull and I did not know it at the time ! Again ty both ! Peace and shalom!! Btw I'm still charismatic and this does not mean I'm chAnging my mind on the gifts of the spirit ie prophecy etc
@mimicaban95518 ай бұрын
the woman or the wife is the decoy that makes the man look safe.
@piopod90838 ай бұрын
You are wrong to state that Mike Bickle has a gift of prophecy - he has not, he is a false prophet.
@christybrinker8 ай бұрын
Mike Bickle is delusional, and needs a psychological evaluation in my opinion. This whole thing reminds me occults from the past. Like Jim Jones.
@M_Soaring8 ай бұрын
Demonic and delusional and reprobate!
@Tendervittle8 ай бұрын
The prophetic movement is a delusion
@bettycarmella11278 ай бұрын
Spot on with the Keith Raniere analogy. Thank yall🙏🏽
@tmoon92978 ай бұрын
This is way more deceptive and dangerous than Keith Raniere, because MB's teachings had a lot of truth from the Bible entwined with the prophetic history to make it seem "credible" to the charismatic Christian masses. It was a toxic mixture that was so harmful and confusing because of the way it distorted and added to the Gospel. This was made possible by using "the urgency of the End Times" as a context and foundation for the ministry. The Gospel of the Kingdom is enough and the unchangeably the same in any generation.
@lalalataylor3 ай бұрын
He comes off as SO self absorbed with SUCH an exaggerated sense if his own importance.