@@monotromatic2951 simple recommend that Naruto have a rival = ghost writing ingoring kishimoto had to build and write that character from the ground up this the equivalent of saying kishimoto ghost wrote op when oda got inspired by partial expansions jutsu y’all are unserious
@monotromatic29512 ай бұрын
@@brianmcmanus5126 Relax bro it was just a joke
@jeffjefferson28532 ай бұрын
Sounds more like Kishimoto wanted to write a talking animal story with a tone similar to early DragonBall, but the editor said no. I'd probably lack creative motivation as well if the editors shot down the idea I spent years developing
@MiketheNerdRanger2 ай бұрын
Basically the editor's notes were "write better, dammit!"
@hlomphokhauoe95652 ай бұрын
😭
@mangafan1._.7412 ай бұрын
He didn't he just said add a rival
@kuribro4432 ай бұрын
Tbf that's part of their job. To give feedback
@kyuutakitsune71632 ай бұрын
To be fair, that is their job
@anKad21422 ай бұрын
Sounds like Writer Rush or Editor Rush (just like Chef Rush)
@John_Skin18 күн бұрын
"What was Naruto going to be about before they added Sasuke?" "Ramen..."
@gamergaming52217 күн бұрын
Finally someone know this
@Couldnt_think_of_anything2 күн бұрын
Naruto becoming Hokage. Naruto would have been a different story without him but not necessarily bad
@gamergaming52212 күн бұрын
@@Couldnt_think_of_anything imagine calling a authar bad because his editor did his job
@gamergaming52212 күн бұрын
@@Couldnt_think_of_anything how can a bad writer make an iconic series with millions of fans and is considered one of the big three
@Couldnt_think_of_anything2 күн бұрын
@@gamergaming5221 I didn’t say it was bad
@BradmyrEdits2 ай бұрын
The authors are the creatives, while the editors are responsible for making things marketable. I do feel editors need more of a recognition.
@shiningarmour6805Ай бұрын
Yeah, basically editors are the sculptors. They shape the art
@arnowisp6244Ай бұрын
I feel like Many of the Wokeness in the West is due to Editors too scared to Criticize terrible writing.
@nodripfruitАй бұрын
THAN WHAT THE HELL JUJUTSU KAISENS EDITOR DOING
@Shino9K29 күн бұрын
what? idk man the editor made kishimoto change Naruto from a story of animals to a story of humans then he helped kishimotos named the jutsus and he added in sasuke idk man I think these 3 points alone makes it thoroughly obvious that the editor did way more than sculpting an existing story he pretty much erased and made each of kishimotos idea 100x better
@oldlife3yearsago...92127 күн бұрын
@@Shino9Kexcept half of that is isn't true you people don't know your stuff that was kishimoto's ideas
@DanielMWJ2 ай бұрын
"Where did you learn that jutsu!?" "I made it the fuck up."
@XIC8D2 ай бұрын
It would be cosplayers and lore fans hell
@The_Divergent2 ай бұрын
I wonder what will happen to wiki if it comes true
@manitshukla5682 ай бұрын
**SENATOR ARMSTRONG INTENSIFIES**
@averagekan87972 ай бұрын
@@manitshukla568LET YOUR COUNTRY CONTROL YOUR SOUL
@calvinmcneil98242 ай бұрын
I mean technically speaking Kakashi did accidentally create the Chidori when he tried to add lightning Chacra nature to the Resangan
@OatmealTheCrazy2 ай бұрын
"What was Naruto going to be before" A chibi fox spirit who messed with people through magic
@definitlynotbenlente76712 ай бұрын
Kind of want to see that show
@desuyodesuyo602 ай бұрын
i'm pretty sure it was supposed to be a Ramen manga before a ninja story 😂
@Marcus-oc4mw2 ай бұрын
@@desuyodesuyo60nah it was said Naruto was originally supposed to be the original Nine tailed foxes child
@dorujitsuerinthng74312 ай бұрын
Expect shouting Sa....su.....ke everything 😂
@Marcus-oc4mw2 ай бұрын
@@dorujitsuerinthng7431 but Sasuke wouldn't have existed if the editor didn't force Kishimoto to add him
@effecteyvee864Ай бұрын
this is literally what every editor of your favorite shounen mangas do, the fact that he was able to tell such a complex and intricate story with sasuke shows he's a writer who took a useful piece of advice and made it his own, which is what all good writers do
@red1bk190Ай бұрын
Yeah i hate these types of videos man. I'm sure most people here have not actually read Naruto because Kishimoto put some real soul into that mf story
@shietcard964923 күн бұрын
EXACTLY OMG UR THE ONLY PERSON SAYING ACTUALLY SMART SHIT
@user-vk9cn7mg7e20 күн бұрын
Yea i really dont get the point he made. Okay, editor added this character into but the author is the one who wrote and mended thr story to include the character and be part of the world
@orrissonpereira107020 күн бұрын
@@red1bk190 He also copied Star Wars story for Shipuuden. Think about it: Naruto: Luke Skywalker Jiraiya: Obi-Wan Minato/Pain: Anakin/Vader Green Frog: Yoda And the relationship between all of them unfolds the exact same way.
@pedromorales519115 күн бұрын
😊😊
@VGInterviews2 ай бұрын
Same for Toriyama's editor, he pretty much saved dragonball every other week
@ncrveteranranger44542 ай бұрын
Toriyama: So the next villains are going to be a pair of robots, what do you think? Editor: Lmao, no. Nobody wants an old geezer and fat guy to be taken seriously. Toriyama: Ok, I'll keep those two, but these new robotic cyborgs will play the lead role of the villains instead. Editor: Lmao, no. Those are just some brats. Give us more. Toriyama: Fine, this is the real villain. He needs to absorb the last pair I showed you to transform into his final form. Here's what I got for his designs, I'm very proud of the last one. Editor: Finally, a character worthy of being the villain, except that last form is God awful, it's hideous even, add a third form I beg of you! Toriyama: THERE, I FIXED IT! Anything else??? Editor: Nope, all good.
@d.n5287Ай бұрын
@@ncrveteranranger4454and it was peak.
@javxion6576Ай бұрын
@@ncrveteranranger4454So that's why Dragon ball's writing is all like that?
@ncrveteranranger4454Ай бұрын
@@d.n5287 aye, that it was
@ncrveteranranger4454Ай бұрын
@@javxion6576 correct
@GameyCaleb2 ай бұрын
I read that the chunin exams were also the editors' idea, which is probably the best arc in og naruto
@chitt772 ай бұрын
Lee vs Gara in the chunin exams is hands down the best fight in og Naruto no question
@xanidydexidy2 ай бұрын
Nah Sasuke retrieval is peak
@joaovictor33122 ай бұрын
@@xanidydexidy YES sasuke retrieval is literally the best arc in Naruto and one of the best in all shonen
@leonardohorrbackcandeo51772 ай бұрын
Yes, the chunin exams was the editor Idea, but plan was only do a tournament arc, only because was popular. Kishimoto that did all the exams, and the characters.
@perogun2 ай бұрын
I'll be honest i didn't enjoy the chunin exams as much as everyone did. It could've been shorter
@Mrs_Muns0n2 ай бұрын
"What the hell was Naruto gonna be about before they added Sasuke." That got me💀
@DanielMWJ2 ай бұрын
ANYTHING ELSE would have been aces.
@valenschristianyosua2 ай бұрын
Becoming Hokage......duh
@abhinavg-----94342 ай бұрын
@@valenschristianyosuayeah he would've trained some, defeat some rogue bandits and become hokage _end of story_
@thelostwanderergames42872 ай бұрын
There wasn't going to be a Naruto Shippuden. If I recall correctly
@redblue41272 ай бұрын
@@abhinavg-----9434Or, just go on a story that wasn't vaguely a onesided homoerotic pursuit.
@dr.hiccup573Ай бұрын
TenTen is a character. That’s all the proof we need. The most “what the fuck do you even do” character in all of manga.
@MurasakiTsukimaruАй бұрын
Explicitly only exists to round out Gai's team
@seikuo36Ай бұрын
@@MurasakiTsukimaru I swear the only thing i remember of TenTen is her fighting her clone at the start of naruto shippuden and she just doesnt exist for the rest of shippuden
@MurasakiTsukimaruАй бұрын
@@seikuo36 Things she does in the manga: Pretends to be weak before chuunin exams start. Stands around while Lee or Neji do things. Gets offscreened by Temari. Fought her clone. Told off Kiba for insulting Ino for being upset Sasuke was finally being treated like the traitor he is. Picked up one of those Rikudo Sennin weapons, instantly passed out from trying to use it. And finally, had a dream world where Gai and Lee were cool (perhaps the most insulting of the women's ideal worlds, since at least the others revolving around men were women who had crushes/love interests).
@SeptemberusАй бұрын
I actually really like her skill design revolving around using items. But too bad she got shafted like 99.99999 percent of the story.
@shotzcapalotАй бұрын
@@Septemberusye bro ninja tools not gettin you nowhere not in that era, not in any era
@AqwtinyАй бұрын
I wonder where the idea that a creative made every single aspect of their show. I don’t think this makes the author a bad writer. If anything it makes him a better creative to take suggestions and make them blossom.
@AvaricioDues2 ай бұрын
The original story was of a Kitsune named Naruto who used his shapeshifter powers to cause trouble and pull pranks around a village before maturing and growing as a person
@sor39992 ай бұрын
Yeah, originally, Naruto was supposed to BE Kurama, an incarnation of him, instead of Kurama simply being sealed in him as a different entity. This explains why he was outcast and the glaring plot hole of him being treated badly despite being the hokage's son and a valued jinchuriki. Now we just meme about the 3rd being a bad caretaker.
@BroJo6762 ай бұрын
@@sor3999Naruto was initially meant to be Kurama's son.
@inugalazerozone61562 ай бұрын
Make sense and yeah he was treated too badly for being a Hokage son that literally a hero's son who saved the village. It's very strange and make everyone in Konoha seems like a jerk in early Naruto.
@TheeOK12 ай бұрын
And the og will remember that naruto was originally gonna be about wizard
@petersimpson4648Ай бұрын
Judging from the fact that OP included some concept art and panels from the "original draft" of the manga (if that's the correct term), I think he knew what Naruto was originally about before he asked.
@XandertheStoryKeeper2 ай бұрын
Imagine a world where we got Kishimoto's original Naruto. A fox Naruto running around pulling jutsu out of thin air on his quest to become village leader.
@fatnin132 ай бұрын
I mean, I can see it as a decent gag-manga. It's just Kishimoto wouldn't pull this off if he actually had the chance for that. It takes a a guy who knows comedic timing way better than him. Like Sorachi Hideaki, for example.
@redflame53662 ай бұрын
It would then be called the Big 2 instead of the Big 3
@jorgegfigueroa97552 ай бұрын
So basically a Sonic video game but with ninjas
@Arkosano2 ай бұрын
@redflame5366 it would still be the big three it would most likely just be gintama instead or hunterxhunter
@fatnin132 ай бұрын
@@Arkosano Funny thing is... I actually thought about that, but I don't think gintama would easily capture the same spot as a Naruto replacement. Even though I'm a massive fan and consider Gintama the greatest out of the Big-3 generation battle shounens, there's no way it could be as big in the west, as Naruto's become. In Japan no problem, but the west wasn't ready yet for this type of show. It's like mixing Freakazoid and BTAS in one essence, localiser would have no idea how to sell it to a north-american kid. The other shows had the appeal and recognizable themes: pirates were thriving in the 2000's, Ninjas were still all the rage. Hell, even Bleach has the whole high-school angle at the start and a kid with a family from our world. Gintama is... Not very marketable as a title for the west. An alternative period action-parody about the mid 19th century Japan, being colonized by aliens instead of Yankees? Nobody's gonna watch that, even if they put it at Adult Swim. It's way too japanese for the time, i'm afraid. Even then it would show up on TVs way too late to become the same impactmaker as the OG big three.
@kohaiame2691Ай бұрын
In Kishimoto's defense he had to put out chapters weekly. If he was allowed more time to think about the possible directions the story could go, and think about the other characters he was forced to forget about while focused on the main characters and big picture. Given more time he probably could have done a lot better. People don't understand how difficult writing can be until they try. Add in a really short time frame and anyone would start to choke with the amount of characters and things going on in Naruto. Given the circumstances I think he actuallly managed to do okay; and wrap up the main plot (Naruto & Sasuke) in a pretty satisfying way.
@CTomCooperАй бұрын
The whole Kaguya thing lost me. I was more into Bleach back in the day, but Naruto wasn’t bad…er, until that twist.
@alexanderfate8447Ай бұрын
bruh, did u not watch the video? the editor being the true good writer of the manga is not the norm for mangaka. kishimoto just doesn't know how to write
@christianryan9989Ай бұрын
@@alexanderfate8447 So you’re telling me that his editor made suggestions that completely changed the landscape of the entire story, adding in characters and plot points, changing his entire vision for the series making it nearly unrecognizable and….he wrote one of the best selling manga in the world that is STILL ongoing and successful? Heralded for some of the best character development, some of the best fights and some of the most fleshed out lore in a series up to that point? You’re right, what an awful writer lmaooo
@thefakebriskehАй бұрын
People think kishimotos a bad writer for not writing complete arcs for background characters that are just backdrops, every series has them, your favorite series has them, kishimoto isn't a bad writer
@thefakebriskehАй бұрын
@@alexanderfate8447you didn't watch the video stupid. The editor didn't write sasuke, he gave him the concept for the character for which kishimoto wrote as the dueterotagonist. Kishi haters straight up making shit up now 😂
@ThisSetter2 ай бұрын
Wow an editor helped a manga artist. Incredible and I'm guessing the editor made the characters so enjoyable made Sasuke and Itachi such good characters and made Naruto the phenomenon it is.
@swagnegrocongucci1343 күн бұрын
Partially, yeah. The series would've totally collapsed at many points without him. Including the beginning.
@HopeeInk2 ай бұрын
Ngl the editors @ shonen jump know their shit, they saved many of our favorite stories
@doefarris21892 ай бұрын
Promised Neverland chapters only managed to get sent in to the office after the editor went out for a smoke and got locked outside.
@ggwp638BCАй бұрын
Editors are often times unsung heroes of many of the stories we love, and more often than not take the blame for things we don't like.
@Jaydavid25.Ай бұрын
Nah, from what I heard they mess up a lot too...
@FFangsYtАй бұрын
@@Jaydavid25.depends on teh individual
@lapplandkun9273Ай бұрын
@@ggwp638BC Eh. They can be both good and bad. Apparently, Kishimoto originally after land of waves wanted a mission based arc for team 7 but his editors suggested a tournament based one since Hunter x Hunter also did one, and then we got the chunin exams, the arc where the side characters were only relevant and had good and bad things
@Steven-eu7pi2 ай бұрын
That’s why editors exist. They are the second opinion to the authors’ ideas and the ones who suggests the changes, for the better or worse, a lot of series might have ended up different without them :v
@Daicidus2 ай бұрын
most editors do not create the major plot points of a story , that is called being a writer.
@alexandervazquez77702 ай бұрын
@@Daicidusyeah that's not how it works and manga considering multiple very popular mangaka's editors came up with major plot points. Hell the Android and Cell saga's would have been completely different if it weren't for the editors; the entirety of dragon Ball would actually be different considering they made toriyama change the tone from less comedy to more serious and action-packed.
@Steven-eu7pi2 ай бұрын
@@Daicidus They aren’t. Their role is to give their opinions about the authors’ ideas, and to suggest changes for the better of the story. Just have to look at Dragon Ball or One Piece, characters would have never existed and events might have ended up differently if it wasn’t for their editors. Android 17 & 18, and Cell with his transformations weren’t part of Toriyama’s plan, not until his editor from that time suggested to keep adding new characters/transformations until he was satisfied, which might have changed Trunks’ flashback story. Then for One Piece, the introduction of the Supernovas was the editor’s idea and not Oda, the reason being that he wanted more things to happen during Sabaody arc.
@davidlondon76312 ай бұрын
That's why editors exist They are the second opinion to the author's ideas and suggest changes for better or worse a lot of the series might have ended up different
@TheRandomMuffinMan2 ай бұрын
@@DaicidusThey’re a part in that too. Look at Dragon Ball. An editor is the main reason why the Cell Saga is what it is. Without that editor we wouldn’t have gotten Android 17 and 18, we also wouldn’t have gotten cell and I think his forms too.
@floragraves51672 ай бұрын
The editor needs his own holiday bc he contributed SO MUCH to a beloved series
@postblitzАй бұрын
A good writer accepts feedback and adapts accordingly.
@mharris10552 ай бұрын
Even if Sasuke is 80% of the story like you said, the editor just suggest giving Naruto a rival. I'm not surprised if Kishimoto just clicks and he just snowball from there
@rachmapratiwi55512 ай бұрын
You got it
@elektra85352 ай бұрын
Thats how it works, the editor is the necessary second opinion a mangaka should have or to give him guidance, like giving Naruto a rival (Sasuke). Similar story with Toriyama and how Cell and android 17 and 18 came to life after his editor didn't like dr Gero and and android 19 design (and later he didn't like 17 and 18 lol)
@Hi_My_Names_Ryan2 ай бұрын
The chunin exams were ALSO a editor's note. You REALLY think Sasuke's haphazard story line wasnt written on the fly by a handful of editors? It literally read that way back in 2015 when I read it😂 I always knew that two different people were writing certain ppl. The motivations flipflop ALL THE TIME
@dcardigan132 ай бұрын
@@Hi_My_Names_Ryan yeah, I have to admit, it was shocking how things escalated so suddenly and so fast after 2 to 3 volumes of Naruto. The side plot literally got out of hand and snowballed into a necessary sequel 😂
@mrsplashman8308Ай бұрын
@@elektra8535the editor didn’t suggest sasuke he just suggested a rival
@Mystic_Shiki2 ай бұрын
The best thing about Kishimoto- Using folklores and mythology in the stories The worst thing about Kishimoto- Writing Female characters
@Blackvoidwithwhiteside71932 ай бұрын
@hemantjain2387yea , dragon ball , bleach , heck even one piece some times
@crackbane13302 ай бұрын
What do you mean female characters
@teathie82242 ай бұрын
@@crackbane1330I mean, Sakura is universally hated for being written as a crazy love-sick fool. She’s supposed to be as important as Naruto and Sasuke as the third member of their team but she gets basically no development compared to them. And, the amount of good female characters is heavily outweighed by the amount of good male characters. I’m not saying that there are no good female characters, just a few. When you think of female Naruto characters, few come to mind and fewer are well written. Consider the senseis. Kakashi, Gai, Asuma, and Kurenai. Those three male characters got their moments to shine and be cool. Kurenai got one fight against an opponent that her greatest strength was weak against then was just pregnant and didn’t matter anymore. Again there are well written female characters, but damn is it hard to find them.
@crackbane13302 ай бұрын
@@teathie8224 first of all how do you know she was meant to be more important that's like sayin leorio (hunter hunter ) was supposed to be more important, the author is telling a story not telling sasuke's , sakura's or kakashi's story , he gets to chose who he wants to focus on . And also the argument that there are more males of females , what did you want 50/50 , equal amounts ?
@adaman.shr.35382 ай бұрын
@@teathie8224... Isn't the shonen for young boys not girls.
@theodora59932 ай бұрын
Idk but the original idea was kinda wholesome
@lulcy95Ай бұрын
What's more important? Coming up with an idea? Or executing the idea?
@victorbruno45842 ай бұрын
Every mangaka has an editor that gives them ideas for the story
@kylehearnden4562Ай бұрын
Yea, Oda's assistant was the one who suggested adding more to Sabaody, which resulted in The Supernovas. And Toriyama's editor famously kept pushing him to change the villains for the Cell Saga. All the way from Gero to Perfect Cell.
@sageblast3143Ай бұрын
Yes but in some cases the editors are the ones who cause the series to fall apart
@priyowicaksono6424Ай бұрын
Yea but not everyone is as impactful as kishimoto's editor
@shotzcapalotАй бұрын
@@kylehearnden4562my memory of op is foggy but is the supernova one of the niggas luffy cracked back into the manga panel 😂
@smokemoke8663Ай бұрын
Okay, but one piece while not being as good would still be a great story if oda wrote it himself. If kishimoto wrote Naruto by himself, we’d have a bland repetitive story where there was no goal, rival or even other notable clans and it Naruto would be an unlikeable jackass til the end of the manga.
@FRISHR2 ай бұрын
It’s like the creator of Batman (Bob Kane) who wanted to make Batman a blonde man wearing red shirt & bat wings, but the writer (Bill Finger) changed Batman to wear grey suit, black cowl & cape in the final design. Bill Finger even added the batmobile, batcave, Batman’s gadgets, Alfred, Joker, Robin etc.
@MurasakiTsukimaruАй бұрын
On the other hand, iirc, Kishimoto got a different editor around the Pain Arc I think it was? And it shows as the series begins to spiral until we get "Hey, remember how chakra is inherent in all living things and running out will kill you? Well actually, it's because a goddamn alien ate a fruit and everyone got chakra because of her sons sealing her in the moon." Or you know, Naruto hyping the dude who murdered his parents, and Neji, and tens of thousands of people in the last few hours.
@ct_devoid22 күн бұрын
Isn't this what editors are for. To help make a story better with helpful advice and observations.
@FeatsDaily2 ай бұрын
A good editor brings out the best in writers. Sounds like excellent collaboration, teamwork and trust to me.
@BeastOrGod2 ай бұрын
"Ideas are cheap, execution is everything." Kishimoto is genius to make that idea a flesh and blood character.
@jollyj48972 ай бұрын
Thats got good qoute. Did u get it from anyone?
@coopergriggs27712 ай бұрын
How are you supposed to execute a plan If you don’t have plan?
@Leviathan77772 ай бұрын
um actually its a drawing and drawings dont have flesh and blood.
@michaelmitchel34712 ай бұрын
@@coopergriggs2771also good counter. At the end of the day its just a quote
@Noobnormality2 ай бұрын
@@coopergriggs2771... The idea the editor gave to Kishimoto *was* the plan.
@Imamotherfreakingavocado2 күн бұрын
He's still a good writer, no matter how different things were in development, he still wrote the story lol
@Danosauruscrecks2 ай бұрын
People don't understand how important a good editor is
@slickricky7692 ай бұрын
People forget that the editors usually make the story work… like Toriyama hated his editors but that’s how we got Cell …
@Adactylous2 ай бұрын
My face when I spread misinformation
@thatoldwasabi2 ай бұрын
From what I remember, it was the jump magazine that forced Toriyama to create cell (Probably through the editors)
@Xx_SuperPenis_xX2 ай бұрын
I love spreading misinformation on the internet
@ShadowSkyX2 ай бұрын
And 17 and 18 19 and 20 were supposed to be the real androids they fought and lost to. Editors whined about it and that's how we got 17 and 18
@thatoldwasabi2 ай бұрын
@@ShadowSkyX yeah, I mean we got one of the greatest arcs ever cause of it, but I'm sure Toriyama hated it 😭😭
@Valid_opinionist2 ай бұрын
Editor in most mangas: Does their job Communities: BOOO BAD AUTHOR
@bandai76022 ай бұрын
You mean op toxic community shtting on naruto everyday is their daily quota. They love pissing off naruto community for em to feel superior. and to go down this low by slandering kishimoto's finest work. 😢 Pure disrespect.
@xgshwiainr2 ай бұрын
But I mean Naruto wouldn't be Naruto without Sasuke
@kasunova1512 ай бұрын
@@xgshwiainr this video is misleading. the editor did not come up with sasuke. kishimoto still wrote and came up with sasuke's character on his own, it was just the editor letting him know a rival to naruto would be good.
@ImNotEpix2 ай бұрын
@kasunova151 still, the fact that he was in the drawing phase in his manga and the editor had to suggest to add the second most important character in naruto is crazy. at that point it's no longer editing, it's drafting.
@pmanattack73632 ай бұрын
@@ImNotEpix genuine question: how much input is normal from an editor in a shonen jump manga, especially for new authors? On its face it sounds like a big deal, but is pitching/suggesting large changes to story and character dynamics that outside the normal constraints of the industry?
@kiniey805112 күн бұрын
The editor is now the inventor of "Backseat Writing".
@thisissketchy933913 күн бұрын
I've seen what Itachi's concept design looked like, that editor is a savior from the high clouds
@ivansertic70212 ай бұрын
He might have added sasuke because of the editor but that doesnt mean that sasuke was written by the editor
@emptyblack46202 ай бұрын
Honestly if he had been he'd probably have turned out at least 50x more interesting. Sasuke is just kinda.... well, I'll just say he's got more plot armor than the rest of the characters combined and he's still boring
@azechase65972 ай бұрын
You can tell bc the character fucking sucks
@shivanim11582 ай бұрын
@@emptyblack4620Bro, Naruto literally has a nine tailed fox in him who is supposed to be more powerful than all the tails combined (like whenever it felt like Naruto was losing, kurama came in and it was something new always) and not to mention his Talk no jutsu. Like how can anyone have more plot armor than that ? At least Sasuke had skills as a ninja to back it up
@emptyblack46202 ай бұрын
@@shivanim1158 The man literally died to killer Bee TWICE in one fight, and has never won a fight with out the win being handed to him. Bee beat his ass, Itachi basically killed himself, Naruto wasn't trying to kill him in the first valley of the end fight or Sasuke would have just died, he got his ass saved from Garra, the list goes on. I think the only fight he may have won on his own was against an almost dead Orochimaru, and honestly I'm not sure that counts.
@shivanim11582 ай бұрын
@@emptyblack4620 And you think Naruto has ever won a fight without Kurama or talk no jutsu? Or wait an ass pull ?
@chasinslade-davis95432 ай бұрын
Kishimotos biggest flaw was his short sight, he didnt look too far ahead of what he was currently working on, and unlike oda who not only looked ahead but also made sure future chapters were consistent with the past
@Mercantilist_Orca2 ай бұрын
Oda is known for making shit up on the spot, such as the super novas, zoros backstory, THRILLER BARK, Baroque works, Enel and every single devil fruit up until punk hazard, where he implies in an sbs that he had thought of ONE name for a fruit, the magnet fruit, but he states multiple times throughout part one that he just makes up the names and sometimes the abilities, bro oda is easily the worst offender of this, great writer, but Manga is not a medium that encourages planning out arcs, that's how you get flat arcs, the only arcs I can prove he planned is enies lobby and since that's the best arc in the series, it's probably what he should have been planning.
@levighoul17102 ай бұрын
He took a break to find out what the one piece actually is recently 💀
@chasinslade-davis95432 ай бұрын
@levighoul1710 that was a joke, authors can just take breaks yk
@racool9112 ай бұрын
Is Oda the best comparison here. He's probably more short sighted than Kishimoto lmao.
@stevetherush11932 ай бұрын
lies, and using oda to compare here is just funny
@terrysherron258114 күн бұрын
Bro is there a full video on this, this is funny as fuck
@extremeNdry19 күн бұрын
Naruto made us cry so hard several times during the series/manga. That's not easy, and that's a sign of good writting. Editors help writers in every type of publication. The plot, the structure of the story is 90% own by the author. And, my lord, Naruto has one of the best structured stories I have ever read. Plot twists, character development, emotional connection,... Naruto is a piece of art in this subjects.
@professorspectre54252 ай бұрын
Kishimoto is definitely a good writer considering the fact that he wrote the thing, but you also have to understand that in WSJ the editor acts as a direct collaborator and can dictate elements of the story and where it's going to go. This only looks bad because Kishimoto outright told you the suggestions of the editor, but I can guarantee you the case is the same for every WSJ manga.
@chargemankent2 ай бұрын
He is a good writer, he's just not a consistent one.
@ShatteredGlass9162 ай бұрын
WSJ? Wall Street Journal?
@rubemmanuel74902 ай бұрын
He is a consistent one@@chargemankent
@standproudsukunayouarestrong2 ай бұрын
@@chargemankentwriting a weekly manga is not easy( e.g he wrote kakazu vs kakashi in hospital thats why it was rushed).I suspect he was burnt out by the end snd just wanted to finish the manga and give it a satisfying ending(more than which can be said for hxh unfortunately)
Yah but a editor that dose the work to make your story readible lol nice try naruto fan boy
@xanidydexidy2 ай бұрын
Adding sasuke is crazy tho 😂
@cyclops1012 ай бұрын
What are you yappin about luh boy??🤨
@Erick-ld5ny2 ай бұрын
@@Dannnyyyyyyu brother is talking about writers while saying “dose” not “does“
@abdallahhakeem51852 ай бұрын
@@Dannnyyyyyyuit might come as a shock but that happens with a LOT of editors
@DragonFruitXVIАй бұрын
Creativity and writing skills often don't go hand in hand.
@sabin1832 ай бұрын
I love Kishimoto's writing My favorite part is from the Pain arc where he said, "What about my family, my village, my parents" 🥶
@koinu_kuma83602 ай бұрын
He might not be a great writer but he is a good author as he listened to his editor when it mattered the most.
@NebyuGameFreak2 ай бұрын
Kishimoto has stated several times that "he's growing as a writer." There were plenty of changes made by his editor, but he still had to come up with the villains' backstories, fight scene choreography, and emotion in the story. Also, this is a very common thing with editors in the manga industry. Originally Toriyama wanted to have Dr. Gero and Android 19 as the main villains for the Cell Saga. But he got corrected by his editor so Toriyama changed it to #17 and #18. His editor said "These are just two random f#cking teenagers." So that's when Toriyama came up with the idea for Cell. Also Toriyama wanted Cell's 2nd form to be his final form, but his editor suggested to give Cell a third form. That's why the Cell saga is so f#cking long *LMAO*
@taepyeoon82452 ай бұрын
Yeah he's grown so much stealing from others works like JoJo, mgs peace walker, hxh, one piece raizo
@stinky97032 ай бұрын
@@taepyeoon8245influenced or actual stolen?
@LuciferArc12 ай бұрын
The villains hard carried the entire story. Naruto fell short where it counted most imo. He had no answer to any of his opposition. Kishi gave naruto nothing to show for all of his hardship and growth outside of power ups. Think about it. What great quotes does naruto have....now do the villains. Lelouch had answers to these types of antagonists. Just swap charles for madara and schneizel with pain. Lelouchs responses to them in ther final confrontations aren't even complex....naruto should have easily reached the same conclusions through his experiences and what he's seen from others....but we got nothing.
@redzee6472 ай бұрын
@taepyeoon8245 bro I don't understand what you are try to say, raizo, that guy from one piece who was completely based off of Naruto?, NARUTO was made 10 years before the introduction of raizo, its just oda wanted to take reference from his friend kishimoto Hxh, he took inspiration from ONE of the manga panels of hxh, many writers take reference from one another JOJO??? you mean that main character guy hair is yellow, and Naruto's hair is also yellow, is that what you mean by stealing???
@sirjulious1012 ай бұрын
Grown as a writer? The story got worse all the way till Boruto.
@jwilsthem.c3780Ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure a lot of our favorite Mangaka Were given help and ideas from their editors especially when they have to write a chapter a week
@nathanpfirman6256 күн бұрын
This is equivalent to a patch note on a game saying “added the player character”
@seastar-qw2qg2 ай бұрын
I mean the female characters are proof. Not saying hes a bad writer but he needs work
@redninja30562 ай бұрын
I mean why didn't the editor do anything about that? If the editor gets the succes he should get the failures too
@redninja30562 ай бұрын
@ricky18redblack31 I used to think just like you then I saw how well black clover handled the female characters which is still unmatched and wished Sakura was the same
@vinlolship33082 ай бұрын
@@redninja3056I mean is the success of Naruto even comparable with black clover, objectively speaking?
@redninja30562 ай бұрын
@vinlolship3308 lol no but literally everyone knows black clover has way better female characters then naruto
@vinlolship33082 ай бұрын
@@redninja3056 my point is that the formula Naruto used was conducive to its success given the similarities between the two.
@PhoenixKeebs2 ай бұрын
Without Kishimoto we wouldn't have gotten the most clipped anime speeches of all time. To this day I still see Naruto speeches more than anything else.
@Novictus2 ай бұрын
Why? Friendship speeches are in every anime
@ayushborkar80892 ай бұрын
Naruto has great speeches but Erwin's Speech might have been more clipped than any single speech of Naruto.
@user-wc6qx3zw4x2 ай бұрын
@@ayushborkar8089Nah there is just one two speech from Aot including the Eren one but in Naruto a good amount of characters has given some of the greatest speeches Like the Speech of Madara about the accursed world, Pains speech about the cycle of hatred, Itachi's speech about a perfect being and many more And each one of them is more famous than Eren's speech
@gitarooman29952 ай бұрын
@@user-wc6qx3zw4xthose edgy speeches suck. They are basically a 13 year old's edgy views of the world. There is little substance in any of those speeches you named, just coping with their crappy decisions, except for Itachi. The Rock Lee and Might Guy speech is mt favorite tho.
@harmoen2 ай бұрын
@@gitarooman2995 you really said "except for Itachi"
@jennxox11115 күн бұрын
Thats what editors do. Its their whole job to help guide authors and make suggestions. I agree they deserve more recognition but they still arent the one writing the story. The author has to take the feedback and make the changes to their story. Some writers even have multiple editors. It doesnt make the author a bad writer when they recieve help.Most writers are thankful to their editors for helping them through the writing process
@RastaHenkie59 минут бұрын
I need to hire this guy imagine the Rizzo I would have with him editing me🤣
@user-wn5ts9vo4v2 ай бұрын
I’m not much of a Naruto fan, but the side characters are so interesting with their abilities and potential, I wish kishimoto fit them in nore
@kohaiame2691Ай бұрын
Me too. I think one of the things that could have been done better was using them more. They had a lot of wasted potential, but I don't blame Kishimoto for that though. The man had to put out chapters weekly; and was likely scrambling while trying to focus on the big picture, and the main characters. He probably should have been allowed a hiatus so he could focus on just planning for awhile. Given time he could have planned separate arcs for his other characters that would have allowed them to do and be more.
@apoorvjoshi2383Ай бұрын
tbh so many side characters, just discarded. Kimimaro was the only member from his clan..and he just showed up and just..dies. Rock lee was not used to the best of his abilities after the chunin exam arc. Mei Terumi is quite frankly an anomaly among shinobi, yet she isn't expanded on...at all. Tsunade is written soo badly despite arguably being the best sannin(just my opinion). Orochimaru deserved much more recognition. His villain arc felt weak. Kaguya's entry and Naruto and sasuke being hagoromo's sons was a very abrupt revelation. It should have been foreshadowed. Same for Itachi's truth.
@hakubestgirlАй бұрын
problem with Kishimoto is that he just had to give every single cool jutsu to the Uchiha. the Tsukiyomi was already cool enough to be the default Mangekyo Sharingan ability but nah they also had to have inextinguishable fires, teleportation, literally rewriting reality, etc. those abilities could've been given to side characters
@cloudj232Ай бұрын
@@apoorvjoshi2383 Stop crying. A character isn't wasted cus YOU wanted to see more from them. All the names mentioned played the role the author wanted them to.
@cloudj232Ай бұрын
@@apoorvjoshi2383 Rock Lee got expanded and was meant to die before part 2, but he stayed alive because of popularity. Kishimoto never had plans for him beyond the retrieval arc, and I'm glad he kept it that way. What's actually bad about Tsunade's writing? Orochimaru killed 2 kages, almost destroyed the leaf and got his hands on the 'last' Uchiha. He had people like Kakashi trembling in his presence, rattled Naruto to the core, so how did his villain arc feel weak? Naruto Sasuke carrying a cycle had been hinted before shippuden you just didn't see it. The Itachi's one is down to opinion but having rewatched the anime Itachi motive for killing his clans felt like some BS, so I think he was always meant to have a reveal.
@SimplyMarkus2 ай бұрын
“I’m convinced Kishimoto is a bad writer!” proceeds to give no good examples? 😭
@markigirl2757Ай бұрын
Honestly it really doesn’t need to be said. As a former Naruto fan looking back I cringe at some of the writing choices Kishi made 😅
@SimplyMarkusАй бұрын
@@markigirl2757 like?
@dominicpiovesan1715Ай бұрын
@@SimplyMarkus if you have to ask you haven't seen it dawg
@mememaster9703Ай бұрын
dude you are goyslopped
@SimplyMarkus25 күн бұрын
@@dominicpiovesan1715 I’ve read it twice, once recently. Stop dodging my question with dumbass statements like this, instead just answer my damn question 😭😭😭
@FruitOfHavoc2 ай бұрын
Didn't you know that every pro mangaka has one or more editors assigned to him by the publishing company they work for, and said editors are as much an asset as the mangaka themselves, if not more? Young mangaka paired with experienced editor, old mangaka paired with young editor, they grow together and learn new things together. You don't see their names on covers, but they effectively are co-authors of every good manga you've read.
@Chaosmite25 күн бұрын
Good writer always have good advisors
@Rahul_23582 ай бұрын
He's not his editor thats his financial advisor 😅
@NotDIO1232 ай бұрын
It's not just a Kushimoto thing, manga editors have saved countless manga from being garbage. For example Goku's design was totally different until Toriyama's editor told him to change it.
@Novictus2 ай бұрын
I Stan monkey Goku
@omniken24942 ай бұрын
Gokus original design was just a take on the monkey king from myth….its not dogshit lol..
@redninja30562 ай бұрын
@omniken2494 and would've been a complete rip off if he didn't change it which does make it dogshit
@omniken24942 ай бұрын
@@redninja3056 not true. It would have been a anime version of the monkey king. Thats not a rip off nor does it make it dogshit XD your essentially calling the OG Journey to the west story dogshit
@redninja30562 ай бұрын
@omniken2494 yeah which would be a ripoff which is what makes it dog shit goku wouldn't have an iconic design he would just be known as that character that looks like sun wo Kong which would make the character design dogshit because it's a ripoff
@nikoisland673115 күн бұрын
The characters being animals could be fun
@deadringer-cultofdeathratt8813Ай бұрын
Kishimoto: my manga Editor: OUR MANGA 🐰
@sherlock13holmes2 ай бұрын
I'd actually be curious what Naruto would be like without Sasuke. Like a Naruto that didn't chase Sasuke all over the place and instead delved more deeply into other aspects on the show and the main plot with the Akatsuki and all that. It could be interesting if done right
@syedhamzaali63432 ай бұрын
They need to recreate Naruto like the OG without super powered ninja aliens bs
@valenschristianyosua2 ай бұрын
The only arcs where naruto is actively chasing after Sasuke were the Sasuke retrieval and the Tenkaichi bridge arc
@sherlock13holmes2 ай бұрын
@@valenschristianyosua that's true, but Naruto trying to get Sasuke back was a major plot point in Naruto. It was his motivation of a lot of his actions
@valenschristianyosua2 ай бұрын
@@sherlock13holmes Not really, most of his actions is motivated by protecting his village and friends. Rescuing Gaara, Helping Shikamaru, Saving the village from pain, Helping in the war. None of these has anything to do with bringing Sasuke back. It only felt like a lot due to the memes
@sherlock13holmes2 ай бұрын
@@valenschristianyosua I'll agree to disagree
@geetadhumane57932 ай бұрын
That's the job of an editor.. To edit down the most crazy ideas the writer has.... Kishimoto may not have the crazy twist and turns Isayama has and not a grand story like Oda... But no one tackles human emotions better than Kishimoto. Naruto ain't the best story ever written but the weight of emotions it made feel is insane
@daddyvegan93252 ай бұрын
No one tackles human emotions better than kishimoto? Mate what the actual fuck are u smoking. His writing is no way near that level of praise, no even in the wildest dream bruh 💀
@sextondickerson99112 ай бұрын
Bro i can name some romance mangas with more emotions than naruto like bro both the mangas you named have more emotions than naruto
@mevincool2 ай бұрын
@@sextondickerson9911Jiraya death holds more emotions than ace death. Shit wb death held more weight but carry on
@user-wc6qx3zw4x2 ай бұрын
@hemantjain2387Outside of big three maybe someone like Togashi can rival him but within big three no can rival him when it comes to Emotions
@gitarooman29952 ай бұрын
Dude absolute cap. Naruto got real cheesy and dumb in Shippuden, ESPECIALLY after Pain. Every arc is "I have trauma and now I am a mass murdering war criminal." "Ay bruh I know how it feels, but you gotta stop for real... ✊️😔" "Oh ok."
@airborne953410 күн бұрын
The editor’s a real hero
@Kenny-iy1poАй бұрын
He's one hell of an artist though
@Swagjutsusolosfiction2 ай бұрын
The editor also ruined some things. Like them not letting kishimoto kill of neji.during the Sasuke retrieval arc. I feel like it would've been good for naruto and Hinata relationship and character development. Plus there is a lot of Naruto fans who hate Sasuke and most of them Sasuke haters thought naruto would be better off without Sasuke, and it's pretty funny when you realize Sasuke was kishimoto's favorite character.
@piyushgelera27982 ай бұрын
If it was not editor Then there would not have been sasuke only And the entire shippuden was just "Sauske come back😭"💀🏳️
@mrcat45082 ай бұрын
I feel like the minute they made his story about defying fate, they should have kept him alive to prove he isn’t bound by fate when he dies it proves he was right
@randomboys10002 ай бұрын
Sasuke was never kishimoto's favorite character 😂 wtf are you talking about
@Recon-6012 ай бұрын
@@randomboys1000 this has actually been stated by him like- several times
@Swagjutsusolosfiction2 ай бұрын
@@mrcat4508 true that would've better, but that's what happens when you only have a week but unlike most mangaka kishimoto has a editor who make him change this so kishimoto technically has less than a week to complete a chapter
@TheDeathmail2 ай бұрын
That doesn't mean he's a bad writer... The fact that he was willing to listen to advice from a more experienced editor is proof he's a good writer. And yes, there were plot holes... But some of them were necessary (Hiruzen is a huge one; a good grandfather AND neglectful at the same time) for the sake of the story to work. And in the end, it was a manga being pumped out weekly... But he actually did everything quite well and wrote a great story that touched millions...
@IlIllIIIlll2 ай бұрын
Being able to listen to others doesn't apply only in writing it can also be applied to life. Id say hes a good person but not a good writer.
@blizzard11982 ай бұрын
Being a good grandfather get neglectful is not a plothole, can you guess how many times that has happened in our world?
@jin47122 ай бұрын
There little to no plot holes in the series but I agree with the rest
@IlIllIIIlll2 ай бұрын
@@jin4712 little to no plotholes?
@jin47122 ай бұрын
@@IlIllIIIlll Yeah. Nearly all, if not all, are explained within the series or were never plot holes to begin with. Not many people know what a plot hole actually is. The “plot hole” op stated is a perfect example of.
@yoshitheonly16 күн бұрын
Bro had all the ingredients but didn't know how to cook 💀
@vispaljunior2429Ай бұрын
In this day and age everyone is an expert in everything.
@fede68112 ай бұрын
I want a sitcom about them being roommates lmao
@luckyadrianhutapea2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the editor out there for not only making Naruto but any other series becomes good
@bubblehaze2285Ай бұрын
Originally, Naruto was about ninja making ramen noodles. Then the idea of ninja village got some spot light and we have this 👍
@redduskironsky1058Ай бұрын
"Sasuke was added to your inventory. To view him, open Key Items inventory".
@KingNerdius2 ай бұрын
That editor is goated
@unoriginalcreator49022 ай бұрын
People don't seem to realize this, but Naruto was originally meant to be about a demon fox forced into human form living in a society. He loved pranking people with pitfalls, tinkering with his scooter, and didn't give a crap about people. Most of those things were changed after the original Naruto oneshot came out and got picked up, but literal final hour stuff happened on the eve the first chapter of Naruto was going to print, where they changed Naruto from the demon fox to an unlicky youth made to be the host of the demon fox, so the Scroll of Forbidden Jutsu Naruto finds was originally the Scroll of Sealing, which locked away the demon fox's power. The people looking for blood had legitimate reason to be afraid of Naruto before the rewrite - demon fox geting back his power would be Game Over for them. The more you know.
@Kos4EvrАй бұрын
The creator of SAO needed this editor
@IsaiahCarroll95Ай бұрын
Well, Kishimoto has definitely grown with how he's been handling Boruto - Two Blue Vortex thus far. I would live to see other creator's editing notes.
@armenarkamen2 ай бұрын
Why do i feel like the editors for naruto are not the same for boruto
@Myccic2 ай бұрын
Borutos better than naruto😭
@thelostwanderergames42872 ай бұрын
@@Myccicin no way shape or form. Boruto part 1 is worse than Naruto part 1, and y'all boruto fans were saying wait for part 2 and it's better but still worse than Shippuden(excluding war arc)
@Myccic2 ай бұрын
@@thelostwanderergames4287 boruto 2bv is so clear of 99% of naruto and im a naruto glazer😭
@joseeugeniomonteiro60332 ай бұрын
You are right. Editor change frequently. Oda had 10+
@tristan67732 ай бұрын
kishimoto wasn’t writing boruto until just before the time skip pretty much. and boruto manga is actually readable now.
@tulin_enjoyer2 ай бұрын
Damn we almost had ninja Beastars.
@tjthoma72952 ай бұрын
Would've flopped.
@tulin_enjoyer2 ай бұрын
@@tjthoma7295 yeah probably. Loved to see how well It would've done now, tho
@max5004Күн бұрын
Kishimoto always cooks. He made the most popular franchise like dragon ball.
@Keeby.24 күн бұрын
That editor is basically a co writer
@Ometecuhtli13thGate2 ай бұрын
The resemblance of them being animals to a degree is still there.
@arielleagustin82802 ай бұрын
Naruto was literally the fox in the pilot. I read that one first and was so confused why it was completely different when I read the first chapter. At that point the only characters I knew were Naruto and the Hokage
@nicolasjamo2 ай бұрын
Talking animals or summons as instructors could be very interesting
@sjraneyumo6049Ай бұрын
Never really thought of Naruto as a masterpiece.
@robixbsp18492 ай бұрын
He saved us from minato's jutsu names.
@Shiirow2 ай бұрын
I was always convinced that Kishimoto was just an idea guy, he could come up with some of the wildest things. He just wasnt very good at materializing is all. He needed a wing man to draw all that shit together. He was Naruto, he just needed his Sasuke.
@mennnn9722 ай бұрын
and who was the editor💀
@MrMixfits2 ай бұрын
Editor is the co writer of every hits
@thabangsibanda3282Ай бұрын
That's part of the editor's job, this is quite common I don't know why this is surprising. Many mangas have been influenced by editors
@nerdcorner26802 ай бұрын
Kishimoto’s writing style is that of a fairy tale, very vague, yet uses that for awe inspiring. I personally don’t like this style, but you have to admit that Naruto told as a bed time story works so much better than most other anime told that way
@omniken24942 ай бұрын
What
@nerdcorner26802 ай бұрын
@@omniken2494Basicaly writing style is similar to fairy tales’ (Grim Brothers for example)
@jin47122 ай бұрын
I genuinely have no idea how you came to that conclusion 😅
@BigJC7772 ай бұрын
You're on something good ngl you aint cooking shit
@austinneveau93872 ай бұрын
so basically, like most written stories, it was a collaboration.
@theonetruefusion8533Ай бұрын
Patch notes release 1.0 - added a second protagonist
@garrett87072 ай бұрын
Multiple hands in the writing process is important. That’s why the Star Wars prequels dialogue was so rough. In the originals, the actors made changes to the dialogue to make it make sense and make it feel natural, but for the prequels, the actors viewed the script as too sacred and didn’t do that much changing because they were working on Star Wars
@Dreamingofyou3172 ай бұрын
He’s a great writer who brainstorms ideas with his editor.
@MadRaptorGaming2 ай бұрын
Being a good writer is not just about writing, it is also about recognizing when other's input will work for the story.
@androidunderground40Ай бұрын
Thank god for the editor 🙏
@corruptangel6793Ай бұрын
I remember hearing somewhere that the original idea Kishimoto wanted was basically Dragon Ball meets Godzilla.
@IkkyArean2 ай бұрын
masashi: imma make a ninja furry anime about a fox with no story at all his editor: nuh uh
@markgabrieledano53092 ай бұрын
In that sense oda is also not a good writer
@brianmcmanus51262 ай бұрын
No serialized mangka atp they all have editors
@markgabrieledano53092 ай бұрын
@@brianmcmanus5126 I know but this video is making it seems like kishimoto is a bum for having an editor when everybody has one.
@andy62012 ай бұрын
Not for having an editor, for having the editor make MAJOR descisions for kishimoto. Atp you could call the editor the real writer. What the hell would the show even be if assume was just gone. Imagine if oda's editor had to add in ace of shanks. What would even be the point of luffy bring a pirate then.@@markgabrieledano5309
@BigJC7772 ай бұрын
Lol nah oda did most of the work for his series and didn't get told to litterally just change his story cause it wouldn't work. His story is also well written compared to naruto even with all those editors
@brianmcmanus51262 ай бұрын
@@BigJC777 supernovas literally wouldn't exist without oda's editor please shut up with this stupid agenda every mangaka has an editor that makes changes to the story its literally there job
@blackbunshin15428 күн бұрын
God bless this editor for that, thanks to him I have my son
@MarcoRodriguez-ci3pgАй бұрын
This explains why a lot of things just drop off or lead no where or it's not developed better