1. Well the actual results are not surprising to me,but i would move the cones next to the camera guy and give him the stopwatch, make it easier on you haha. and have some shots between laps with the actual times going on there. 2. put that inside camera on the dash and give as a hood view or something, much better than your mug hahaha. 3. Do more scenarios.

I did 6 days at Team O'Neil. The first 3 days were around -15 F and sheer ice. The second 3 days were in the spring. Learning car control on ice and snow is one of the best Motorsports experiences I've ever had! The spring was a lot faster and presented slightly different challenges. I'm so jealous. I want to be there again. Go to Team O'Neil, especially in the winter if you can. It's freaking amazing!

This car sideways was as fast as the AWD car was keeping it neat and tidy. Interesting!

Brilliant videos, can't wait for the next ones!

Can you test how much of a difference LSD does on the snow? So a car without LSD vs one equipped with it?

Fwd next please

I made the same experience on a frozen lake a few years ago. The car was a E30 too, on street spike tyres. Sideways was faster, but with very low grip it was very easy to make a mistake. So in the end the difference between sideways and straight was very small.

Just found this channel and it's awesome. I'm not telling you guys to spend money or anything, but if you have the extra cameras, a video running around your track split screen with a windshield view showing handwork and a camera showing footwork at the same time would be incredible.

those E series cars aged like fine wine

Always a blast to see you drive and/or explaining, Wyatt! Keep up the good work of entertaining and teaching us things! Richard

This is an excellent production and true to the original KZfaq quality we all came to know and love! Keep doing your best and we'll keep liking and subscribing!

*imagines Eurobeat while he drifts the bimmer*

love these videos!

YES, my favourite episode continues.

I can't wait to visit team O'Neill school! I have been setting aside some money each month.... I may only be able to afford 1 day but I am going to make the most of it!

Keep it up. I love what you do. Cant wait for more of your making a race car segments.

Hey Wyatt !! You have too much fun at your job !!! Keep the videos coming !!!

Love this thank you so much!!!

You guys are doing great! Love the videos

Happy New Year!!!

great series, pls do more of these sideways tests!!!

I like this series

Love it!! I think so many people go by that slow is fast mentality because they just don't have the skills to take the risk. Love this demo great car choice also!!!

Do it with the Super Duty next.

this is interesting! now i really looking forward for the frontwheel drive test

no dislikes cuz you sir are the best!!! I always learn with you thanks alot!!!!

always nice videos... u guys know how to do it!

love it! One thing I wonder I keep seeing some rally drivers still slide a lot on the tarmac ... and I am almost I have read somewhere some WRC teams have a separate driver that is meant for tarmac races to slide less :). On the other hand, based on personal feelings I know for sure there are some corner types where sliding on tarmac feels faster even in a gokart or with my Subi during slalom days events.

Fun fun! :)

I'm looking forward to when these "get a little weird"!

This looks like me driving to work on the winter in my Mercury Grand Marquis!

Drifting is the best!

I did something similar on an ice track and tight turns. The acceleration lugging a car and slower acceleration was better than spinning and drifting. Like on glare ice when you idle away versus spinning hard and not moving. So on glare ice the results are a bit different.

As mighty master Walter Rohrl said - "Good drivers have dead flies on the side windows!"

I'm glad you guys can knock out some easy videos ... But it would be nice if people actually thought about things before asking bad questions ... haha

You are a good drifter bro

Brilliant video trying to getting in rally building the car maybe a bit oversize car bmw e39 but need to start somewhere

Fwd test time! Love these.

Great video! Can't wait for the front wheel drive version! I struggle with understeer while intentionally or unintentionally sliding so I hope you address that.

How much do you love your job? You guys must have one of the best jobs on the planet.

gotta do this in this in the fiesta st...

I'd love to see this in a vehicle with stability control turned on. Notably i'd love to see how the systems interrupt your driving line. I know stability control is for safety not speed but i'm curious if your going hot how it interferes with a knowledgeable driver.

love you guys vids I prefer sliding myself and have always made faster times that way

What you get is something like a balance point between your forward speed, the center of mass of the vehicle and the available traction of the surface. All of that then determines the correct angle to achieve fastest progress. A rally driver is always adjusting to achieve that and a drift driver is always adjusting to achieve an even bigger angle. ;¬)

So basicly driving faster gets you around the tack faster, who wouldn't have thought.

It's only fair now to do fwd

Maybe the BMW would do even better here in Germany, its homeland?? ;) Great video series again.

oh! P.S. Big Hello from Czech Republic!

as an e30 driver i would love to get some lecture on your e30´s but sadly i live in germany still good to get some videolecture

nice

It really does depend on application and a few other variables. I recently watched hot version where the Jun S2000 and a 2005 WRC Lancer from mitsu had a togur battle on dry tarmac and the S2K beat it handily but there are a few things there (setup for gravel and new driver to car, first time in seat) that don't make it a fair/direct comparison but still a decent example none the less. Good vid/series. Cheers from Newfoundland. P.S Have you done targa newfoundland//do you plan to and/or will you?

As a bit of a personal joke/meme, at 3:56 I played Initial D Jeja Vu ... I did not regret it.

I would love to attend your school... I have cousins in NH up your way..

Haha, did you lose the stopwatch?? Awesome videos!!!

Can you guys do a video timing the difference of snow/studded tires vs gravel rally tires. Would be nice to see the results before next month's rally sprint up there!!

Surprised the RWD time was only a few seconds off the AWD time in the snow, especially with the uphill!

How much a factor do you think the tread pattern has on the sideways grip of a tire? Most rally tires I know have blocks which go longitudinally as well as blocks which go diagonally, I assume for this very reason. This was covered a little bit in an earlier video you made "Rally Tires Explained." This may be a more general "practical" video, but its a point worth revisiting when you make Ep. 3!

Left wheel drive next

I would love to see these tests on tarmac.

What do you feel determines the difference in speed? I can see a few factors to look at. 1) Deformable surface - You tend to always gain an advantage using more aggressive driving on deformable surfaces. This not only includes how the surface shapes around the tire as the tire exerts force, but it can also include thrust from physical ejection. It can even include a reduction in friction with the intent of grabbing at the leading edge in front of the tire and moving it out of the way versus grip driving where you are more so always trying to climb over the snow. 2) Application of peak power and grip levels - To slide more often forces you to be at the operating limit most of the time. If you weren't at the limit, you would not be sliding. With the ideal being to maximize energy out and grip utilization, it's an easier method to position you in that limit region. Grip driving tends to mean you're sometimes at but often under the limit, both for energy out and grip utilization. It's much, much harder to balance at the limit when you're not always there. 3) Chassis inertia/handing balance - I'm not sure if these go hand-in-hand, but the basic idea is if a car is configured to understeer, you will often underutilize all 4 tires. You will hit the limit of one end or the other first and then sit there with some reserve on the other tires. A rwd is nice in that you can operate both ends independently through throttle and steering to balance this, if it's being done. The balance would also influence how you take a corner since you have to manage the chassis rotation somewhere (early, late, evenly through) and utilize grip to do so. The choice to oversteer and slide all the time can counter the imbalance and utilize all the grip versus having one end with some reserve left. This is generally how I've perceived the performance issue. Basically, if the car is configured very neutral, it would experience less difference between grip and slip driving (if surface deformation isn't playing a roll). As a car is configured more for under or over steer, now one needs to manage inputs to counter this and neutral out the car in any way viable for the available inputs. For an understeering car, you're a little more hamfisted with the inputs, doing more weight shift, trail brake if the bias isn't too forward, initiating rotation a little early, and end up heavier on the throttle. Basically you sit there fighting against the car's imbalance. Kind of as #2, the sliding method is a simple way to do this and ensure you're using all the grip and all the available power. The main difference between a neutral car and understeering car while sliding is a little difference in steer angle and throttle application, but in both cases you're sitting there using all 4 tires to a high level. Grip driving, you might leave 10%, 15% on the table on the rear end of the car as the front pushes. 4) Tire traction circle - There's many other factors like how the tire bites the snow/ice and generates grip (most tires traction circle isn't very circular and may favor straight line operation, some slide angle, or even a lot of slide angle. I've found many winter tires favor straight line operation, main tires specifically tailored for accelerate/brake functions. For example, Michelin's X-ice Xi2 was like this. The newer Xi3 is nearly circular. Most V pattern winters I've run have always favored some slip angle to generate grip. It didn't really matter the brand. If the design was a V style, it hand moderately less initial lateral bite until you got some slip. They all seemed designed to ramp up in grip levels, say up to 20 to 30 degrees. I believe the overall intent is for the tire to "catch" a slide and self straighten the car without the driver needing to correct. This style of tire would ultimately favor slip driving, from my experience...significantly, a rough guess a solid 10% to 15% greater grip levels with slip angle. Some of the testing to determine which components are affecting the time, you would need to tweak the surface and the car's suspension setup. I know to eliminate deformable surfaces you could run on ice. An ice surface will not generate the advantages snow offers (or mud, dirt, sand, gravel). #2 is just very, very difficult to do from a grip perspective. It's really a constant struggle and constant testing of grip and throttle levels just to attempt to keep yourself close. It's a hell of a lot of work to feel around that edge up from under the threshold and keeping yourself right there. I've tried for many years, and it's realistically the most challenging skill I've ever struggled with driving. It's way to easy to leave a little here and there on the table, and every little bit adds up and quite moderately. A great practical example is driving nearly 100% and driving at 80% or 70%. The difference is a lot of seconds. Just personally, I've commonly seen 2-3 seconds lost per minute just from a slight amount of laziness, say at 90%. It's just a lot, LOT easier to step over and just put the limit somewhere in the middle instead and just wiggle above and below as you go. That limit is far more visible and apparent when driving. For #3, you'd just have to tweak suspension settings and play with the same car configured for understeer, neutral, and oversteer. See how each configuration utilizes grip and power delivery for grip driving and slip driving. I would make the assumption a car configured for understeer will be fastest slip driving, but a car configured for oversteer will slightly favor tidy grip driving. #4 would be just trying a few different tires with known traction circle shapes/known behaviors.

What kind of tires are you guys using on these cars? Would be interesting to see a studded vs non-studded comparison on top of the slide/no slide comparison.

Not directly related, but one thing I noticed after playing around a bit, is that in my non abs car, the tyres wouldn't lock (as soon) if I didn't press the clutch. Dunno if that's something usual or anything, but it certainly is a peace of mind for me

Answer = sometimes... Momentum is the key, so whatever lets you carry the most speed through any given corner yeah.

Can you do your tests in a 1992 Nissan Sentra, and also in a 1990 AWD bone stock Subaru Legacy LS 2.2L? Please?

Do you know anything about the brake override system for new WRX Sti's? Any way around it to allow left foot braking? Can't seem to find anyone online who has been able to do it.

it would be nice if you had mentioned if you were using winter tires or just all seasons...

I like your series but.. hell there's snow and you just have a jacket and even rolled up sleeves xD. Whatever always interesting stuff, thumbs up from Italy.

Please, show the difference with and without esp system on this cycle.

FWD on dry asphalt? Should be interesting :D

great video! it hurts me to say this but I think the FWD when able to slide around the track might be faster than the RWD

what about not on snow? This result doesn't seem too surprising to me since on an extremely slick surface you have to be very conservative to do a grip run but on something where your tires can get more grip, it would allow you to go faster on a grip run and possibly slow you down on a drift one.

That helmet!!

There should be a crazy pants trial

How to jump a car? While mid air, should I press in a clutch pedal before I land or should I let of the gas or should I just floor it like i'm in dukes of hazzard?

Every time i see him outside in the snow his sleeves are always rolled up r u not cold bruh? 😂👍

I'd like to see this same test done on tarmac. And for petes sake, have the camera guy do the tuning

The Mac Demarco of the rally world

It all depends on surface, and how the car is set up. (This is how I think it is, thuogh I have not driven too many car type and drivetrain configurations, or any very high spec cars) If the car is set like any average car withuot mods, all drivetrains prefer very minor slide on tarmack, bit more on gravel and snow. If the car is set like rally car would be, on snow and gravel it often prefers bit more slide, but on tarmack it's very situational, with the exception of short wheelbase high power AWD and RWD cars that might prefer sliding more If the car is tuned for tarmack track, (Such as DTM, BTCC, F1, Indy. etc.) all drivetrains prefer grip, Some really powerful AWD cars might have some benefit on sliding, how ever that is very situational. or of the car is set to be slightly loose (Such as Nascar) In all cases slides CAN make the car faster, but having too much slide slows you down, althuogh on some cases (Such as ice racing car doing a tarmac hillclimb stage) even high amount of sliding wont slow you down too much.

Will you please do this again with a Porsche 911, a homemade EV with the batteries in the trunk, or at least with sandbags in the trunk of the E30?

next do fwd also a footcam would be sweat

FWD now, and do asphalt this summer =)

Nice videos as always! i have a 2002 wrx, i would be interested in knowing which tecnique is best/faster to approach a small snowy hairpin when the speed isn't enough to do a scandinavian flick using the standard way with the pedal brake. (in my case i use the handbrake once for sliding the rear in the opposite direction and once again to make the hairpin sideway) Thanks if you'll reply!

Do it again on asphalt in the summer.

Hi, can you tell which tires were you using?

RWD = More fun!

I wonder what the times would be like if you mastered the perfect line without skidding vs the best skidding time. IE, can the difference be made up with perfect line choice and practice?

How fast can the plow trucks make the course? Is plow braking legal? Plow drifting...

What winter tires you are using?

Why is there a bright stripe on top of the steering wheel?

Although I think I know the results, I would really like to see these tests on pavement. To be more specific, I want to know if it’s possible for a drift run to be faster than a grip run

What abaut front wheel drive

First 4 laps : BMW 😔 Last 4 laps : BMW 😃 😎....Hold my BRAKES.....im born to do THIS ☝️

Great video. I was wondering if sim racing like Dirt Rally has transferable skills to real world rallycross and could help you get a feel for moving sideways?

Where is episode 3????

I want to complain about something but I think I'm just jealous that I can't drift on snow in bmw e30. I mean what else u can ask for.

When is the next episode with FWD?

How much faster left-foot braking is could surprise most people, but I'd love to learn if I'm just pretentious.

Drifting. Just do it ✓

any fwd video coming on this?