Isiah Thomas Hospitalized & Returns After Karl Malone Elbow (47 Stitches, Near GW)

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Ryan Van Dusen

Ryan Van Dusen

3 жыл бұрын

December 14, 1991 - As the story goes, following the Team USA Selection Committee's decision to bypass 1990 NBA Finals MVP Isiah Thomas in favor of John Stockton for its 1992 Olympic basketball roster, Thomas just happened to explode for 44 points in first matchup with Stockton near the start of the 1990-91 regular season (his highest point total since 1983).
"It just sort of happened," Thomas said at the time.
And as the story goes, in the first matchup following Thomas' circumstantial scoring statement, John Stockton's 6-foot-9, 250-pound teammate Karl Malone just happened to turn his body and lead with his elbow while contesting an Isiah Thomas layup early in the first quarter.
The results were equal parts chaotic and gruesome. As blood poured down the face of a flattened and dazed Thomas, Pistons reserve guard Darrell Walker took a swing at Malone before being corralled toward the locker room. Meanwhile, Bill Laimbeer and Pistons coach Chuck Daly vacillated between looking after their fallen brethren and working over officials to ensure Malone receive his proper comeuppance.
Laimbeer, the godfather of excessively physical fouls with an honorary degree in sweeping the leg, knew shenanigans when he saw them.
"That was basically a premeditated situation," Laimbeer assessed. "Why? Because he lit them up for 44 last time and (Malone) didn't want to embarrass Stockton again."
Shooing away a stretcher, Thomas rose to his feet under his own power, where he was then quickly transported to LDS Hospital, where he received 47 stitches (at least 15 inside, over a two dozen outside, according to Daly).
Nonetheless, three quarters later, a familiar (albeit slightly disfigured) face checked back into the ballgame. Cleared of any sustained neurological trauma, Thomas returned to play the final six minutes of a contest he'd begun just over 47 stitches ago. His late jumper and two free throws helped push the Pistons to the precipice of victory, but a last second Isiah Thomas layup and heave went begging, sealing a 102-100 Jazz victory.
Afterward, Thomas commented on his improvised traffic accident with Malone's elbow.
“It felt like I’d been shot in the head,” Thomas said. “It was a hard hit. . . . I was a little scared."
Malone, meanwhile, played the plausible deniability & deflect card - a classic in the era of bodyslams and clotheslines.
“I didn’t do it intentionally,” he said as he left the Delta Center. “It’s amazing. (The Pistons) do the intentional . . . like they do and get away with it. But we do something clean--we do something by accident--and they make a big deal like that.”
Official Ed Middleton disagreed. "Isiah took the ball to the hoop. Karl went after him. In our estimation the foul . . . was a flagrant foul . . . the contact was unnecessary and excessive."
The NBA agreed. In addition to being ejected, Malone was fined $10,000 and suspended one game.
Years later, while accounting of a litany of his and his teammates own transgressions during the Bad Boys era, Thomas still believes Malone's elbow rises to the top.
"I think it was the dirtiest play I have experienced in the game of basketball in my life," Thomas said of the play. "I don't think I've seen anything as vicious and as intentional to a player. I still don't understand it."
Later in the decade, Malone would also render San Antonio Spurs center David Robinson unconscious with a swinging left elbow to the temple. • Video
Sources:
Mike Sorensen's 1991 recap: www.deseret.com/1991/12/15/18...
Terry Foster's 2014 re-visit: archive.sltrib.com/article.ph...
LA Times: www.latimes.com/archives/la-x...

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@jamaalthecashier
@jamaalthecashier 3 жыл бұрын
After all these years, I had no idea he came back. Thank you for this upload. That’s toughness right there.
@smokescreenOG
@smokescreenOG Жыл бұрын
today's players would take a week off lol
@Jenny010132
@Jenny010132 3 жыл бұрын
When Bill Laimbeer is freaking out about your injury, you know it’s bad.
@poocrayon4588
@poocrayon4588 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah Laimbeer would have been trying to fight any other team but he took a look at Karl and 7'4 and solid Mark Eaton and didn't even make a move lol.
@iampioneer81
@iampioneer81 2 жыл бұрын
Wow.....never knew he came back. That says it all about who he was as a player.
@antellsanders1014
@antellsanders1014 Жыл бұрын
Zeke was built different. The best little ma. In NBA history
@philipboles7810
@philipboles7810 Жыл бұрын
I just watched Isiah Thomas interview Carl Malone on his show! Never one time did this injury come up by either man! I would have loved to hear the conversation between the two! After all of these years Isiah still carries the scar above his eye!
@JakeBayCity
@JakeBayCity Жыл бұрын
LeBitch would have been out a month
@beezy22
@beezy22 3 жыл бұрын
Plus years later in the 2004 NBA Finals The Pistons got redemption against Karl Malone when the Pistons beat the Lakers and Malone sat on the bench not saying a word…
@jeffreymancini409
@jeffreymancini409 2 жыл бұрын
Karl Malone was never a money player. Same with John Stockton, Hot Rod Hundley and Jerry Sloan.
@merchantsmithimages
@merchantsmithimages Жыл бұрын
Malone was finished. His knee was shot.
@joshuastinson3013
@joshuastinson3013 Жыл бұрын
One the ballsiest things I've ever seen in basketball. Brings tears to my eyes. Zeke is under-rated
@jackfanning7952
@jackfanning7952 9 ай бұрын
Zeke is under-arrested.
@joshuastinson5600
@joshuastinson5600 9 ай бұрын
@@jackfanning7952 so is your mom
@jackfanning7952
@jackfanning7952 9 ай бұрын
@@joshuastinson5600 Brilliant reposit! Did you stay up all night thinking of that, mouth breather?
@demetriushooks9323
@demetriushooks9323 Жыл бұрын
These NBA players these days will break a nail and will be out the whole game
@jordansoviet23
@jordansoviet23 Жыл бұрын
Not just whole game but they will also not play as long as two weeks.
@jimjones8684
@jimjones8684 Жыл бұрын
And he balled out
@abogadorolandzuhlsdorf8084
@abogadorolandzuhlsdorf8084 3 жыл бұрын
great effort by thomas
@jareddavidmanifold313
@jareddavidmanifold313 3 жыл бұрын
This incident happened after Zeke schooled Stockton at the palace if I remember right. I don't like karl Malone he was a scumbag on and off the court. His career ended in game 5 at the palace 2004 finals. I loved watching that Laker team lost but I especially liked watching karl Malone pout on the bench it felt like payback in a way.
@rapereggae7961
@rapereggae7961 2 жыл бұрын
Karl is a horrible person
@PD-we8vf
@PD-we8vf 2 жыл бұрын
44 points
@ItsLikeaPodcastorWhatever
@ItsLikeaPodcastorWhatever Жыл бұрын
Bro hook it to my VEINS! Also, to sweeten the pot, a daughter he didn't claim, (Cheryl Ford) won a WNBA Championship with the Detroit Shock in the 2003 season. I love basketball Karma the most.
@MrWoodstar1
@MrWoodstar1 9 ай бұрын
And, what was really interesting about that was Laimbeer was the coach who guided Cheryl Ford to that championship, and Malone was in attendance with tears in his eyes. Imagine that.
@brandonkropp7769
@brandonkropp7769 Ай бұрын
Could you imagine driving the lane at full throtle after just taking 47 to the head. Pistons were legenday. Im fine if you call certain players dirty. But every team had dirty players back then. Pistons were just mentally tougher. And it drove everyone nuts.
@LIBREPUB
@LIBREPUB 19 күн бұрын
RIP HOT ROD & Minit Lube
@raphryanmaniego9507
@raphryanmaniego9507 Жыл бұрын
This design is very Chicago Bulls
@tajj4455
@tajj4455 3 жыл бұрын
Karl = 0 Championships
@maxpeck4154
@maxpeck4154 2 жыл бұрын
Makes me smile every time I hear that.
@jeffreymancini409
@jeffreymancini409 2 жыл бұрын
Malone had a propensity to fold like a cheap suit at crunch time. The Mailman never delivered!
@Lonewolf_665
@Lonewolf_665 Жыл бұрын
​@@maxpeck4154keep crying
@maxpeck4154
@maxpeck4154 Жыл бұрын
@@Lonewolf_665 No one "crying" here. 🤣
@Max-wd6og
@Max-wd6og Жыл бұрын
How tf did he return 😂
@cheese3enjoyer
@cheese3enjoyer 6 ай бұрын
why show the rest if they end up losing
@dasfette
@dasfette 7 күн бұрын
Because Zeke came back and almost hit the winning shot.
@bryggreen77
@bryggreen77 Жыл бұрын
Still say this was a basketball play
@jimjones8684
@jimjones8684 Жыл бұрын
He shooked stockton u seen stockton get shook too the left
@hang-the-dogs
@hang-the-dogs 9 ай бұрын
@0:12 Lame beer seems to start counting from 1-10
@wudycarreno5315
@wudycarreno5315 2 ай бұрын
El que a hierro mata a hierro muere
@davekelly1719
@davekelly1719 2 жыл бұрын
Bruh if we had these refs today No call would get called You'd have to run somebody over with a mack truck to get a call
@smokescreenOG
@smokescreenOG Жыл бұрын
and that's the way it should be.
@beezy22
@beezy22 3 жыл бұрын
Not defending karl Malone but when Karl Malone gave isiah the elbow, the Pistons were heated and complaining about elbows thrown by Malone…that’s hypocritical because through the years the Pistons threw elbows and got people off their game…but after the Pistons were swept by the Bulls in the 1991 eastern conference finals, they made a move that messed them up big time:letting Vinnie Johnson and james edwards leave after the season…Chuck Daly And Jack McCloskey left after the 1991-1992 season ended…RIP Mark Eaton Chuck Daly Jack McCloskey Larry Miller And Orlando Woolridge…
@Swove2204
@Swove2204 3 жыл бұрын
The analogy that always came to mind is the kid in the classroom who's constantly thumbing their nose at rules and expectations and receiving a series of consequences as a result. However, when ANOTHER student breaks one of those same rules, that first dude is almost always right there making sure the new kid's not getting away with the thing he's always punished for. It's probably also worth noting that the one guy to come flying in throwing punches was Darrell Walker, just 23 games into his Pistons career and someone who himself had tussled with the Bad Boys when he was with the Washington Bullets. I think that likely just speaks to the ride-or-die mentality teams often have where, if you're with us, you're with us. And if you're not, you may as well be the enemy (see: Rick Mahorn's return with Philly in 1990).
@beezy22
@beezy22 3 жыл бұрын
@@Swove2204 I’ll look at the sixers Pistons 1990 match up later tonight…Miss NBA old school..plus when the Pistons let Rick Mahorn get picked by Minnesota after winning the 1989 title, that was the beginning of the cracks of the armor of the Pistons bad boys…
@gc4479
@gc4479 2 жыл бұрын
Yep and the legend of MJ continued‼️
@maxpeck4154
@maxpeck4154 2 жыл бұрын
That's the key. The Pistons got in other players' heads and got them off their game. They played within, and bent, the rules in the league at that time. They were labeled as dirty doing nothing different than every single team in the league was doing. They were just the best at it. And, they were doing it to, and succeeding against, the biggest stars in the league at the time. I lived this entire era and with Detroit it was always about getting a mental edge. They also happened to be a really phenomenal basketball team. I defy anyone to find a single incident in which a Pistons player went after anyone EVER with an elbow like that with the intent of hurting them. Violence, causing harm was NOT what it was about. It was a mental chess match, and the players that fell victim to it would label Detroit as dirty, bad for the game, etc... Ring Count: Zeke 2, Malone 0. ✌🏻
@Antonio_bandana0u812
@Antonio_bandana0u812 8 ай бұрын
Anthony Davis would have taken the whole season off
@northernlight1000
@northernlight1000 3 жыл бұрын
Everybody around the NBA was actually really happy to see Karl malone give that elbow! from the players to the organizations to the fans it felt like justice for what and how the bad boys had played like for years and Thomas was the leader of all that
@Swove2204
@Swove2204 3 жыл бұрын
The Pistons certainly dished it, but they ate their share of hard fouls over the years, too. This was not the first time Isiah had absorbed a mid-air body check or clothesline. In fact, it was at least the third such incident over the previous eight months. The way it usually went: Isiah takes a hit, teammates check on him, Isiah takes a moment, then gets back to his feet and shoots his free throws. Isiah absorbs Kevin Willis flagrant foul: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p8WblZOZx7unnYE.html&ab_channel=RyanVanDusen Isiah clotheslined by Doc Rivers: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qdOYaqd0vdGxYH0.html&ab_channel=RyanVanDusen This would be in addition to Isiah eating Bill Cartwright elbows for years (until the fight at the end of the 1989 regular season in which Thomas broke his hand) and Magic Johnson's forearm to Isiah's face in the '88 Finals (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/atFxZ5mAvtvUepc.html&ab_channel=RyanVanDusen). The Pistons in this event did seem to object to the head-hunting nature of Malone's strike (and the resulting serious injury). But even then, former Pistons forward Rick Mahorn set a similar precedent when he elbowed Mark Price in the head during the 1989 regular season (a clip I've never personally seen but would like to find at some point for the sake of context).
@itcouldbeclark
@itcouldbeclark 3 жыл бұрын
@@Swove2204 As you have no doubt documented, there was one standard for Detroit, another for everyone else.
@jeffreymancini409
@jeffreymancini409 2 жыл бұрын
So where were you when the Celtics were thugging on the Lakers? Oh that was different. Yeah sure.
@poocrayon4588
@poocrayon4588 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah Laimbeer would have been trying to fight any other team but he took a look at Karl and 7'4 and solid Mark Eaton and didn't even make a move lol.
@jeffreymancini409
@jeffreymancini409 2 жыл бұрын
@@poocrayon4588 Explains why the Utah Jazz have never won a championship. Perhaps if they were more concerned with winning basketball games and not seeking mindless retribution you could have something intelligent to discuss.
@itcouldbeclark
@itcouldbeclark 3 жыл бұрын
The very idea that people celebrated, and continue to celebrate, Malone's thuggery is disgusting.
@tevinsherrill5653
@tevinsherrill5653 3 жыл бұрын
Because the Pistons at this time could do no wrong, right?
@itcouldbeclark
@itcouldbeclark 3 жыл бұрын
@@tevinsherrill5653 Deal with what I did write, not what you wished I'd written.
@valiant971
@valiant971 3 жыл бұрын
Isiah was the dirtiest player in the league and deserved far more than Malone gave him.
@BR3b3l0
@BR3b3l0 3 жыл бұрын
Nah, Laimbeer was much more of a prick.
@valiant971
@valiant971 3 жыл бұрын
@@BR3b3l0 True enough, but he was just a foot soldier. Thomas was the general. What's important is that we agree that the Bad Boys were assholes.
@PD-we8vf
@PD-we8vf 2 жыл бұрын
Criminals the jazz are.
@TheJbhoke148
@TheJbhoke148 Жыл бұрын
Yoda, you are
@jeffreymancini409
@jeffreymancini409 2 жыл бұрын
There is a real reason why Jerry Sloan, John Stockton and Karl Malone never won a ring. They loved each other too much. Quite simply the Jazz were not tooled to ever win a title. They lacked the toughness needed to win a ring. Same old excuses year after year. Whiners!
@truthh8322
@truthh8322 3 жыл бұрын
47 stiches? Don't see how from an elbow. I got bit by a dog near my eye when i was a kid. After plastic surgery i was only in the 30s
@Swove2204
@Swove2204 3 жыл бұрын
I imagine a series of factors may play a role in deciding how many stitches a particular wound may require (versus other medical interventions). In Thomas’ case, I have seen some suggest it was as few as 40 stitches but most precise reports stick it at 47 (some stitches inside, some outside). From The Salt Lake Tribune: “Thomas needed 47 stitches. His head swelled up, and even though he returned to play seven minutes, he was hospitalized and missed two games. "My head; it was just ugly," Thomas said. "When I got home my wife started crying. There was so much swelling on my head." archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=57716635&itype=CMSID
@gc4479
@gc4479 2 жыл бұрын
Malone was strong as hell‼️
@randysandberg5615
@randysandberg5615 3 ай бұрын
Wrong. He was NOT hospitalized. He was stitched up in the locker room. Big difference.
@JW-id2yu
@JW-id2yu 3 ай бұрын
The announcer said he went to lakeview hospital in this video
@jareddavidmanifold313
@jareddavidmanifold313 3 жыл бұрын
I only disliked the video because of the bullshit other than that I liked it. Not sure that even makes sense
@LilBrother94
@LilBrother94 5 ай бұрын
Before Jordan ended the bad boy era.
@MrWilsantiago
@MrWilsantiago 2 жыл бұрын
Pistons were dirty players. Sorry, but Zeke got what he deserved.
@envyops
@envyops 7 ай бұрын
Never heard anybody but fans that never watched him play call Isiah a dirty player. You thinking about Chris Paul. He got a compilation. Plenty of players call Stockton dirty, but none of them say that about Isiah.
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