A good ethanol-free fuel will be ok formuch longer.

This should be buyer beware for every hybrid owner.

If you can't find ethanol free fuel in your area then it's a good idea to always add some fuel stabilizer before filling up. Also, good standard practice is to only fill the tank one-quarter to halfway so you're more likely to actually use up that fuel before it starts to go bad. It's a strange predicament to be in - your car is so energy efficient that your gas can go bad before you even use it up. Forget all electric vehicles like Tesla's, that man just drove 1200 miles and it only cost him $30 to fill back up!

@Glenn Wellington Lol. Okay, so $60 to go 1200 miles. Gee, that's terrible! /s

@@glennwellington6656 - When you compare the Prius Prime or Rav4 Prime to any EV, sure, you have to buy some gasoline, and electricity itself isn't "free", unless your town has some free EV charging stations (there are a few where I live). But overall, the cost of gasoline and electricity to drive a Rav4 Prime is going to be about 6¢/mile, given a 50/50 mix of short trips made in EV mode, with longer trips in HV mode. A conventional Rav4 (the non-Hybrid version), is going to cost 12¢/mile for fuel (that's at $4.00/gallon), and the non-PHEV Rav4 Hybrid about 10¢/mile. So now let's look at a Toyota BZ4X. It's about the same size as a Rav4, with a 240 mile EV range. If your home electric rate is 23¢/kw-hr (the national average in July 2023), driving a BZ4X under ideal conditions will cost 6¢/kw-hr. That's on flat terrain, at average speed no more than 55 mph. No use of heat or air conditioning. In the real world, very few trips in a BZ4X can be accomplished without having to recharge at 180~200 miles, because most people drive 75 mph, not 55, and there are always some hills unless you live on the Great Plains I guess. Now the "Range Anxiety" factor rears it's ugly head. If you take even occasional long road trips, or you live somewhere with really long, cold winters, you will be much happier with a PHEV than you will be with a pure EV of any make. No range anxiety at all with a PHEV. If it gets really cold where you live, the ICE engine in a PHEV will be a whole lot better at keeping frost off the windshield and keeping you warm and comfortable, while still giving you at least 38mpg (Rav4 Prime) or 55 mpg (Prius Prime).

If you saw only 1 chicken then you drank way too much..... I believe there were 3 or 4 chickens.

@@henryhonda8408 Five chickens from around 25:01 for approximately 10 seconds.

You spot that very well

It is an excellent option. I think this car is going to be HUGE if Toyota can build more of them. You don't need to think about your trips like in an EV. You just go with whatever energy you have and you KNOW no matter what it is going to be super efficient

@@JamesKlafehn - I'm on the waiting list for one myself here in New England. My mom will likely have to wait in Texas for 2021. I think she'll like the ECO mode as well as the EV range for day to day stuff. I do hope Toyota ramps up production and even puts more of this technology on their other cars.

@@3moirai I hope you can get one!

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I am driving a ‘16 Rav4 XSE and love it. I get an avg. of 32 mpg. I have no problems with the car except I wish it had better gas mlg. and would certainly take the more powerful car.

Hell yeah! 😁

I was really very shocked as you can probably tell at the end of the video.

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So what r u dissapointed about on uour Prime??

My 2019 Prius Prime has about the same behavior: when the Low Fuel warning light comes on, there's still about 3 gallons left. When the fuel gauge touches "Empty", there's about 1.5 gallons left. I've never run it completely out of gas, though. The lowest it ever got, it took 10.2 gallons to re-fill, so there should have still been about 1.2 gallons in the tank.

With a T-Rex Camper :)

I have this car and I never been more satisfied with a car purchase 😭

*Flash forward 1mo* Moves to new presidency. First move, shuts down oil pipeline, gas prices about to spike. *Flash forward 300k miles* Teslas still driving fine with 80% range, laughing at you as you start looking at your 3rd Toyota.

I'd rather have this too. But that expectation is idiotic wishful thinking. That's what we do in the US. Gas is cheap, people buy bigass trucks, when it's expensive, people buy small cars.

@@veganpotterthevegan Plug in hybrids are a joke. Why not complicate the system by adding both fuel and electric, with thousands of useless parts, when you could literally have a system as simple as 1: Battery pack 2: Battery management 3: Motor controller 4: Motor

Keep watching. At some point I will be driving down to Raleigh NC to meet up with Kyle from Out of Spec Motoring. We are going to take it around his race track. Im also talking with Rich Rebuilds to race his Model X. More soon.

I usually like to take my corners (or freeway exits) while in trail mode. It makes it easier to take those curves sometimes.

haha thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!

Thank you so much for sharing! I have a lot more Prime content coming soon so thank you! Yeah it was an eye opening trip. Really quite mind blowing. So far a lot of my miles have come from longer trips. But usually I am local. Up and down a lot of hills. I am just an efficient driver when I want to be. lol I use sport mode for added regen when slowing down. Eco mode normally. I will use neutral when going down a hill to coast further. I dont tail gate or do any hypermiling though.

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lots. lol. That is mostly EV usage.

Wow.... good to know

You just have to look on whatever the vehicle is and see how many gallons is supposed to be left once the warning comes on. 2008 Prius it's 3 gallons remaining when the warning light comes on. I use a conservative 40 MPG, when doing calculations. So that would give you 120 mi once The warning comes on. In the second generation Prius not a great idea to depend on this. They used a rubber bladder inside the metal gas tank. And that rubber bladder sometimes does not expand and contract exactly the same way depending upon the outside temperatures. So you can sometimes have a slightly different volume than the car thinks is in there. My car has never had this problem and every time I have driven it below the warning light and done a measurement it's extremely close to what it should be. third generation Prius and up they went back to a metal or solid plastic tank and ditched the flexible rubber bladder.

Claude Binette: So the total KM was roughly how much??

@@db456 I went out of fuel after 225 km past the refuel warning. Had a 10 litres jerry can with me and i was able to add another 45 litres a few minutes later at the gas station. Got a Hybrid system fault when i went out of fuel but, it went away the next day by itself.

Claude Binette: brilliant!

A car shouldn't allow a full run out of gas.

Thank you so much for watching and commenting!

Good to know

That is true, however doing it once or twice is not going to cause a problem. Also in a modern vehicle that car realizes there's no more fuel and would stop trying to run the fuel pump.

I didnt run it out of gas. DId you watch the video? Also, there are no warnings about it in the manual and when I called Toyota before I did the test they said it wouldnt hurt anything.

​@@JamesKlafehn Did you talk to an actual mechanic? I'm surprised a mechanic will say that. It might be alright to run your pump dry once but its still not good in my opinion. The lowest level of the fuel level sensor is not touching the bottom of the tank, I assume this signals the ECU to stop the fuel pump but in this case your tank still has some gas in it. These RAV4 are smart and will not let you use pure electricity for long periods too because you can end up with stale gas after 6 months if you don't use it.

@@techburnsca I don't think modern cars let their tanks run fully dry. I know Mercedes for example will mimic the car losing fuel if you drive it till it is very empty. The ECU will create a controlled spluttering and jerky motion making you think it is fully empty and allow you to pull over. It makes sure that when you fill it up again it starts immediately and is ready to go and also that the fuel pump never gets dry. They've implemented it for years so I'm sure other carmakers have it too.

That what “The car care nut/Scotty Kilmer” says on KZfaq. Keep at least a 1/4 tank or you’ll burn out the fuel pump eventually normally

If I can find an XSE with the premium package Id sell mine.

Toyota makes these. very simple to own. They have large buffers on the battery to protect it and they programmed it so that the gas engine turns on at least once a year to move gas around. Toyota is very conservative and they did a good job on this car.

It all depends on how it's being used. lots of stop-and-go traffic you will get more range, if you're doing more constant interstate speeds you will get less range. You can also check the various modes you can put the car in. There are quite a few options, you may find messing around with that gets you more electric range.

Toyota and their computers manage all of that.

Good ol car car nut

I didnt notice if the estimate changed. Their estimate does very based on how efficient you are driving so maybe.

I see it as hugee city advantage for avoiding fuel consumption on IDLE for hours in traffic and you get a good tank capacity that can drive you rough 500 miles .

There is he tried to use it at the beginning. The vehicle declined his request due to HV battery fully charged

@@AmperageY That's not the same thing. Some vehicles have drive modes such as "charge the battery", "EV only", "hybrid", and "save the electric". The latter may charge but definitely does not require charging the battery and is for when you know you will need or want to maximize "EV only" later in you driving. Perhaps you will be driving into the city on an EV only day, or (like me) simply want to make sure I can drive all the way into, around and back out of the parking garage without running the gas engine.

@@Sylvan_dB right but I referred to hold the whole time, he tried to engange "charge hold" but some vehicles decline this if the SOC is too high even if it won't charge the battery further. Example the i3 Rex won't let you HOLD (not charge) SOC until you reach 75% or lower. Similar with this one from what it looks like. The Volt too won't hold at 100% and will just proceed to use electricity until its just discharged enough to be able to engage regen on demand to its full potential

@@AmperageY So what I hear you saying is, "No, the RAV4 Prime does not have a 'save the electric' function." IMHO if it won't save full charge, it is forcing me to use and not saving electricity for future use.

@@Sylvan_dB not quite never said the vehicle didn't have the function just that it declined to engage such fuction(and thus I said it wont allow it due to the HV battery being charged), it does have the function but it won't let you save all 100% of the battery for later use and so I further explained other vehicles that also limit how much battery you can save for later like the i3 only being able to save 75% for later use and the Volt.

I love it! Doesnt even compare to a hybrid. I never use gas. Its basically an EV

@@JamesKlafehn Cool! thats what I was thinking. Though we might settle on the Hybrid limited. The Prime is just too long a wait, and we're so down the wait list

@@kzukez yeah they are certainly hard to find!

I swear I heard on of them peck my car when I was filming! grrrr

I dont think I have an problems with my fuel tank at all. I keep seeing posts about this but I dont see any problems. I had more fuel left plain and simple.

I dont usually name my vehicles. I named my Model X Eleanor after the mustang from gone in 60 seconds. But I shouldve known I was cursing the car. The car is trouble in the movie and it was a nightmare in real life

Toyota planned for that. They have the gas engine turn on every once in a while just to circulate the gas so the gas doesnt get stale in the lines.

@@JamesKlafehn It's not enough to circulate the fuel, the fuel has to be used or it will go bad in 3-6 months unless you use some sort of fuel preservative additive and that will only give you perhaps 12 months. It will go stale in the tank. KZfaqr The Car Care Nut who's a master Toyota technician specializing in hybrids has mentioned this here; kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iat7Y9p_xK_Vl3U.html He goes into detail on how it destroys the fuel system for the ICE in the first section of his video. Fuel is either use it or lose it. It's not just the gas in the lines, it's also the gas in the tank.

PA is nice too. I love NY but not our taxes. Its horrible. Too expensive to be here.

@@JamesKlafehn With each move, I look at what the locality percentage is and what the taxes are. Is there a cost balance or cost offset to living in a particular area? I'm very mobile and no wife or kids, so this is all very easy for me. My dog never complains (haha). Florida has no state income tax and the cost of living is low. PA has 4.4% state income tax for my income level, but the 33.98% locality pay eclipses that tax. Plus, the cost of living in Lehigh County is very low. I miss the snow. I lived in Eastern Washington for about 3.5 years, before relocating to the Tampa area, and loved the 'seasons' and the snow. I lived the vast majority of my life in Hawaii and thought I wouldn't be able to cope with the cold, but I found that I enjoyed it. The one (negative) is the cold mixed with wind. That was horrible, but there's a "negative" anywhere one resides. If I do end up in Lehigh County, PA and like it there, I may call it home. We'll see. Take care, Sir.

@@WailuaMark Google Ithaca NY and you will see. Property taxes are some of the highest in all of NY. Prices here at restaurants are comparable to NYC. Sales tax is 8%. Very expensive to live anywhere downtown or even within a few minutes. A lot of people save money by buying outside the city but the county is still very expensive. Central NY is very pretty though.

Yeah it has the moonroof package. From what I have heard they haven't shipped any base model SEs without the moonroof package.

James Klafehn Do you still have a higher spec’ed one on order?

@@John-209 Kinda, I am next inline for another one but toyota isn't accepting orders per-say. lots of people are posting saying they have ordered something but its just dealers taking their money. Toyota is sending dealers whatever cars they want to send them. Normally toyota operates on a preference method. A dealer submits a request from a customer that states what features or color they would prefer. Toyota usually listens and sends something close but in the case of the Prime they are sending whatever they want to send.

James Klafehn wow and we are lining up with our pockets stuffed with money waiting for them to tell us what to do😳😳👩👌🍆

I was hoping to test for that too.

This is now a recall that it rolling out (will be rolling out). We got a letter from Toyota addressing it.

@@iv4nK What is? The car driving forever? lol

James Klafehn the gas tank issue. I’m pretty sure 2021 model has already been corrected. I have a 2019 XSE hybrid. Absolutely love it. Wish they came out with the Prime earlier but I couldn’t wait with baby coming at the time. I have a Prius Prime that I love as well. The plug in miles really make it a joy.

Ivan Kwong I keep hearing about this gas tank issue. It sounds like the problem is that it won’t hold 14.5 gallons of fuel. I don’t think that is still a problem. I think it’s clear that the car still had plenty of fuel

The SE that I have doesnt have navigation. I would guess that it doesnt but IDK for sure.

@@JamesKlafehn Thanks. 🙂

Lol why would I be helpful to you when you leave an Asshole comment like that….

@@JamesKlafehn you know, you made a comment yourself about watching it to the end. Wasn't trying to offend you. Sorry i assked

@@MrMasterSpam Im sorry. I thought you were being mean. I get so many shitty comments and I thought you were being snarky. I have many videos about my range extending trailer. Its awesome. I love it. If I havent turned you away feel free to check out my playlists. Sorry

Hibri mode what at what speed charge to gas? BMW can go 100km and change to gas lexus after50km🐢and change to gas how about this rav4?

Wow congrats! Thanks for watching!!

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Interesting I didnt know that. I mentioned what you said in an upcoming video. I tested to see how long it would take the gas engine to recharge the Prime all by itself. Then, how much gas did it use.

@@JamesKlafehn you have this tested on Prius Prime. You can finde it on YT. Basicly, you will traver more miles on 1 gallon converted to wheels, compared to 1 gallon converted to battery and then on wheel. So it makes no MPG sense. Only when you HAVE to use EV, but can not charge.

@@RomanRoman-xi3dv I tested it on my Prime. I might get the video edited today.

I see no reason it wouldnt do very well. I havent driven the car at that speed but I constantly find myself driving 70 and not even knowing it. Its very stable. Efficiency wise, You would probably need to stop for gas once each way for a fill up.

I’ve done the trip from Seattle to Sacramento a few times in my new RAV4 Prime. (Bought it in august 2021 in Rochester NY since they don’t sell them in Washington state). My trip back to the west coast from NY I got 41 mpg going 80+ most of the way, plugging only in Minneapolis. On my trips to California and back to Seattle I got about 39 without any plugging in. Most comfortable car I’ve ever owned! So fun to drive!

Yup! Just took a long trip to Boston. I’m editing the video now

I think about 600 miles combined range (gas and full charge electric)

You will get it eventually

Who ever wants the first released car? Wait till it's first facelift to eliminate most of its problems that most first release models come with

@@gregandkaruna6674 got no choice anyways 😂

@@gregandkaruna6674I've never wanted a first released car until the RAV4 Prime. But you may have a good point.

Waiting for Highlander Prime. That would be awesome!!

What are you talking about?

The battery is the same in both models. I am tempted to try to swap the charger but its expensive. The best price I have found online for a 6.6 kw charger is $1500 plus shipping and tax. I make like $200 a month on this KZfaq channel and its almost a full time job lol. I would love to do it though. Maybe if I had some patreon supporters I would.

It acts like a normal hybrid

It will be here in a couple months unfortunately. I plan on making snow driving videos for sure, not that I have any choice. lol

@@JamesKlafehn thanks for the response! Im thinking of getting a Hybrid Rav4 and your videos are helping me quite a lot. Cant wait for the snow tests!

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Sport mode doesnt keep the gas engine on.

Except for the charging. and lack of info on the dash.that shit needs fixed asap. the charge rate is just flat out unacceptable in 2020

@@donbot5000 Totally agree. The charging info (or lack there of) is ridiculous. But it is fine for gas car owners who are just looking to SLOWLY make a change. But for EV drivers like me I feel like I stepped down into the Stone Age.

Gasoline will stay relatively fresh for at least a year with reasonable temperatures. Stabilizers are recommended for gas storage lasting greater than one year. That being said, I would be more concerned about the gasoline power plant not running for an extended period of time, rather than the gasoline in that fuel system not being consumed over the same period. If you don’t expect to be using gasoline in a RAV4 prime or similar system over an extended period of time, I would recommend one considers using pure gasoline, if available, rather than gasoline with ethanol added to it, regardless of what fuel a manufacturer states can be used in their fuel system.

please watch kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iat7Y9p_xK_Vl3U.html You have to run the gas out as it goes stale.

Toyota is much less because Toyota still has federal tax credits. $7,500 Tesla used up all credits. I paid $33,500 after credit for my Rav 4 Prime SE. Tesla model Y AWD is $60k Toyota in my opinion is a better choice. I do like EV mode and wish the range was a little longer than 42 miles but you can’t beat Toyota reliability.

Russell Condie I understand your point but the numbers are off. The Model Y LR AWD is about $49000 with a state rebate of $5000 and no sales tax... So about $45000... the XSE with options package is $49000, minus the $7500, plus tax. It’s closer in price than you think, unless you’re looking for SE only.

pilot1226, my State does not offer any tax incentives. The premium XSE is comparable to the Tesla long range model Y before tax incentives but the Toyota is still eligible for $7,500 federal tax credit which means the Tesla regardless what State you purchase will cost $7,500 more than the top end Rav 4 Prime and the Prime SE which I purchased is $49,990 - $33,500 = $16,490 less Yes the SE comes with cloth seats instead of fake leather and a 3.3 kWh charger vs 6.6 kWh but $16,490 is a huge difference between a Tesla Y vs my Toyota Prime SE. It is very difficult to justify the price difference especially when comparing Toyota reliability, insurance savings vs Tesla insurance, build quality, service turn around time, and labor and parts when service is required.

Russell Condie Yes, you hit on all good points there. Hopefully the $7500 isn’t gone by next summer when my lease is up! I agree, the 16,400 is a substantial difference.

@@pilot1226 Did you get the RAV4 Prime SE at MSRP? What state are you in?

I would love to hear these stats.

This is nothing, you should see my Tesla videos. lol Lots of fanboy thumbs downs. On this video I think some people were mad that I didnt get stranded or break the car. Stupid.... Others have called it click bait but it clearly says "I failed" and "I try to".... That is the opposite of clickbait.

Yes

But this is not a pure hybrid, it's got 40 plus miles of electric range out of an 18 kW battery. Seems to me it would be pretty dumb to turn the car off because it's out of fuel when you had that much electric range left. Once the battery got low I could then see the car going into protect mode. also the second generation Prius I believe can run an electric mode without the engine. In fact the Japanese models had an EV mode button you could press that would run the car exclusively electric. You can purchase it aftermarket and install it in the US cars. It still protects the hybrid battery but it will allow you to run on pure electric in situations where the car doesn't normally allow it.

@@kens97sto171 Well once you install something like that, you're gonna void the warranty on the battery which is up to 150K miles. The reason why they decided to shut the car off once it runs outta gas is simple - There were too many stupid people in this country who were running down the HV batteries. Now every dealer is required to have a emergency HV battery charger but back then only the regional headquarters had them. Once you run down the battery, you gotta hook it up to this charger to charge it back up. That process is a lot more complicated than hooking up the cable to the plug-ins.

@@CamKrazy2000 And yet the device I'm talking about was standard installed hardware in Japan. Nobody's worried about the warranty at this point. Not on the second gen. And I'm sorry but I believe you are incorrect, there is a lower threshold on the battery. Where it will shut off regardless. This is the case with the EV mode device you can buy, as it was from the factory in Japan. The only thing the button allows you to do is run in electric mode in situations where it normally does not allow you to. Once you get down to the bottom of the battery pack which is about 20%, it switches back to hybrid mode just like it does in normal operation. And you CAN run the pack far lower than it will let you by default before you have any problems getting the engine to restart and recharge. But there is a very specific procedure required to do this, and it is not easy to accomplish. I've done this intentionally myself trying to stretch the battery a bit to gain back some of its capacity. You leave the car in neutral and it will not be able to charge the battery run the HVAC, let the battery get lower and lower. Eventually the car will terminate the connection. Turn the car off turn it back on, repeat . You can get the battery lower and lower until it gets to a much lower state of charge than it ever would normally be allowed to. I've had mine down to a blade voltage of 6 volts. And total battery state of charge at about 16%. It'll still restart the engine and then recharge the battery normally. I don't know of any way that you could intentionally get the battery low enough for it to not be able to restart the gasoline engine. Although it is possible that if you stored the car at a very low battery state and let it sit long enough it could discharge that way to a lower state then would be allowed and it would then not start the engine. Also as those modules get lower and lower in voltage they also get unbalanced relative to each other. I've had several battery packs out disassembled replaced modules, not in my own car but in a friends. My 2008 Prius has 336,000 on it. Still rolling on the original pack, And my voltage level across the pack is extremely even. Toyota built a lot of backups and redundancy in the systems. In order for you to get a battery pack so low that you would have to get towed to a dealer seems unlikely. There are occasions where the battery pack can get low enough, that it will throw a code and prevent the engine from restarting. But all that's required is to clear the code restart the car and the engine will start right up. Perhaps that is what was occurring to vehicles that ended up being towed to the dealership. You could probably clear the codes also by disconnecting the 12 volt battery.

@@kens97sto171 Hybrid vehicles have NO starter. In order for the MG1 to turn over the engine, the HV battery MUST have enough juice otherwise the vehicle will NOT start. If people in this country were more responsible then maybe Toyota wouldn't have to make the vehicle shut off once it ran outta gas. I have seen plenty of 2nd Gen Priuses get towed to the dealership because it ran outta gas. And I really couldn't care less what's available in Japan or anywhere else. I'm a tech in the US, I only deal with vehicles sold here and if anything gets modified on the vehicle, it will void the warranty.

Joe Kim there’s plenty of clips where people try to see what happens when they run out of gas in their Priuses, usually they go on battery only for a mile or so and then the car stops. Once it’s refilled from canister it start right up, so probably Toyota thought of that and leaves just the right amount of charge in battery to start the engine, but not to drive (and not to destroy the battery).

Until they start jumping on top of it and will end in a cocker :)

I swear I heard one of them peck the bumper. Probably getting a bug. 😭

You would NOT regret buying the Rav4 Limited hybrid...... I was just going to buy one, the salesman told me to come back in a couple days so they could clean it up... when I showed up 2 days later it had a SOLD sign on it. I wasn't happy but I did end up buying what I really wanted, a Rav4 XSE hybrid..... it's incredible!!