Unc was losing it

Unc really been going thru it these last weeks😂😂😂

Fr

@@LegoFilms511 It’s a meme lol

chill bro you didn’t even watch the video

Sheep mentality

Did you just admit that you’re a sheep?

No

@@ryankayombya7576fr hahaha, these guys think he’s proving something with those meaningless charts, jimmy changes his narrative every video

Dawg I haven’t seen you since 2020

Money is money

@@bilalprob fair

He’s not saying Tim Duncan was overrated as a player, his point emphasizes that timmy has become overrated in the all time rankings as how I perceive it. While timmy was good, he was just not the “Best Player on the League” type guy for some years. Note that I said SOME not EVERY YEAR. Jimmy states that he is a beneficiary of the Spurs System and that is a fact because let’s be honest. You would not pick Tim Duncan over Kareem, Hakeem, and Shaq or players of that caliber. While timmy is the system, and you could not replace any other player in his spot he’s just not that DOG if you know what I mean which matters in this all time rankings in jimmy’s case of course. For instance in 2007 nba finals when Tony Parker won the finals mvp, why didn’t Tim Duncan win it? What’s his reasons? I mean the Spurs played against a sub par finals team. Or what about when they lost to an 8th seed on 2011? I mean would a 60 win team with shaq lose to an 8th seed? I don’t think so. That’s what I mean when he is an beneficiary of the Spurs System because although he’s the head and he created it, some players on the all time rankings are the SYSTEM. Like I said earlier you could not replace timmy within the system but for instance he doesn’t have HOF teammates, can he go on a tear like KG did? Can he do what Dirk did? Nah. Although timmy is great and he is a TOP 10 player of all time, he just doesn’t crack the top 5 for many reasons.

Ps just explaining jimmy’s point not trying to get into an argument

@@hasbulla1308 buddy what the actual fuck are you talking about. TIM DUNCAN IS THE SYSTEM. To never miss the playoffs in your whole 17 year career and to win 50+ games in every one of those seasons speaks for volumes of how dominant Tim Duncan really was. No player you just listed is in that conversation period. You take Tim Duncan out of San Antonio and I guarantee you the Spurs don’t win a single title. The fact that you’re sitting and believing the words coming out of your mouth is blasphemy. “Not that dOG” that “DOG” has done stuff no one will ever come close to doing again. That “DOG” found the fountain of youth and was able to be productive through is long career and was always a key asset to the team’s success even in the twilight of his career. That “DOG” was a *5× NBA champion * 3× NBA Finals MVP * 2× NBA Most Valuable Player * 15× NBA All-Star * 10× All-NBA First Team * 3× All-NBA Second Team * 2× All-NBA Third Team * 8× NBA All-Defensive First Team * 7× NBA All-Defensive Second Team * NBA Rookie of the Year * NBA All-Rookie First Team Tim Duncan is better than Kareem, he’s better than Hakeem, he’s better than KG and he’s certainly better than Dirk. You can basically alternate between Shaq and Duncan for all I care. I find it laughable that people try to discredit what Tim Duncan and the Spurs have done when all they did was play basketball the way it was supposed to be played. Tim Duncan was not a “System Player” he was the System, and everybody else just revolved around him.

cs his team was amazing lmao 😂 he's not top 5

@@theplug193 you’re stupid. He made every single one of his teams great. Bum take. With your logic every player that was on a good team isn’t top 5. Casual 💀

I was like, man he gonna be in goat debate but I forgot about longevity, I agree, but, if I want the best team for 10 years wemby is definitely my first pick

@@micahheyward5342that’s quite literally the joke brother

huh? corny ass comment. bro dont even know the context of this statement

@@micahheyward5342yeah thats what hes referebcing

@@micahheyward5342it went over your head Micah

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​@@z.r.r4593 fr, don't play baseball, don't watch it and I think it's boring, religiously watch that man tho

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I hate baseball, love that channel...its funny because until now i was sure i was the only one​@howaboutthis9233

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I also think the fact that the Spurs haven't done jack shit since Duncan left them maybe argues he had more to do with their success than Pop or the organization.

Yeah but it happened tho.. that's like saying GSW would've have win the 2016 finals if LeBron didn't block Andre

@@FalconPaladinyea let’s jus forget that the rest of the big 3 also retired and after duncan retired their best player left after they made the wcf and were up 20 against the avenger warriors before kawhi got hurt in 2017 (without tim duncan) shut yo ass up

@@FalconPaladin orrr u know... the rest of that team also aging and leaving?

Ray Allen saved lebrons legacy wouldn't even be in top ten other wise

And then he misses the next 6 wide open 3s. (warriors fan salty about his constant slumps)

@@TwistedForHire He may be playing like shit right now. But at least 3 out of them 4 rings never would have happened without him. There is no curry without klay, he is exactly how pippen was for jordan.

Key word usually

@@G-LewFacts all these casual fans have the memory of a goldfish, either that or they’re really ungrateful

@@G-Lew True but he's still annoying with his shot selection. Your past greatness does not excuse poor decision making

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So the spurs giving them wits and the rockets before CPs injury just didn't happen huh?

Spurs 2014 could have beat them, or at least made it a 7 games series

The Cavs literally scored 82 in a single half in their only win of the series. That's what it took to get one win on that team

​@@tridra5714That's Crazy to think of , Man , I'm so glad that I witnessed them in that year , A Locked in "2017 Warriors" is Terrifying. 2014 Spurs is the only team that I think can win "Twice" against that team. (4-2)

They have narratives to play, he is better off on KZfaq

Yeah but you don't know if he's also good on air. Preparing, Making and editing KZfaq videos is very different than being live. I'm not saying that he definitely can't, I'm just saying you can't assume he can make that transition.

All these youtubers you like are much better off staying far away from espn. Like the guy above me said, it's all about narratives. Jj Reddick I think is a good example. I used to really love his podcasts, he always came off to me as a smart guy ( I never liked the guy as a player). He is an absolute clown on espn. Not sure if his podcasts are similar to what they once were, stopped listening, but the difference is night and day with the content.

Nah Tim Legler is on ESPN

Hxmy needs to get that top tier tnt money

it ain’t that hard not gone lie

Nah corner 3 was my favorite tbh

Shot 40% from 3 in my college days, loved the corner and had a higher percentage from the corner.

You thought u did something , didn't u

I agree, corner three harder than the straight on or diagonal

The reason Dirk is viewed the way he is is BECAUSE of what happened in 2011 not in spite of what happened of in 2011 He proved himself to be better than a Harden tier player during that playoff run

@@wedge5547 yes and no im not saying he wasnt good but people tend to waaaay overrate him this days im sorry but i cant see him as a top 15 player ever (some even put him just outside the top 10) in a way the same thing is also happening with Ginobli and people saying he was better than Nash flr exemple

@@petiteexplication6249not saying you’re lying but who’s saying manu > Nash😭😭 Nash has an MVP and that already eliminates any argument towards manu

Almost everything he said during the Duncan segment could be used to describe Tom Brady who most people have as the greatest or second greatest of all time. Probably not an apples to apples comparison between NBA and NFL, but I find that interesting to think about.

Ppl don’t forget it. The average of age of nba fans online is just getting younger. Older ppl just don’t have time to sit online and chit chat all so you get 14 year old basketball reference sleuths who start to rewrite history

Except the fact that he wasn't the best play on that team for the last decade of that run. LOL

@@scottb3034 lol He was the undisputed best player on 4/5 championships and was still one of their top players for the last one. If you think otherwise then you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

​@@colton6867 Yeah he was like the 2nd/3rd Best player on the 5th Ring also He was the Best Player on the 2013 Spurs that blew the lead because of kawhi missing 10 free-throws 😂.

@@colton6867 look at the finals MVP, those state otherwise. And arguably parker was better in 2007 beyond just the Finals MVP. He took a hit in production after he turned 28. He played another decade. Had he maintained the play he had his first 8 years for another 7 you can talk. Unfortunately he didn't. Duncan is beyond overrated. He'd be the 3rd best spur of all-time had kawhi stayed. And that's with him above gervin.

​@@scottb3034 You realize Andre Iguodala won a finals MVP in 2015 over Steph Curry right? You going to argue Iggy was the best player on the team? As far as the 07 championship there is no argument for Parker over Duncan, that statement is absurd. Duncan was 1st team All-NBA, and finished top 4 in MVP voting that year and was robbed of DPOY. There is no debate between him and Parker as to who was best on the team.. None. I don't even wanna argue Kawhi over Duncan. You honestly believe a guy who's lucky to play 50 games in a season is better than a guy who was winning MVPs and championships in Shaq and Kobe's prime with no other all-star on his team?

THAT’S CRAZY 😝😝😛🤑😝😳😲😯😯😲🤯🎉🎉

CRAZY 😯😯😳😲🤯😯😳😲🤯😯😲😲😳🤯🤯😳😳😲

That’s crazy

The fuck?

🙏🙏🙏

i played center in highschool. i couldn’t shoot a 3 for my life… unless it was a corner 3. they’re the easiest

Same; they always throw me off 🙁

he literally showed the numbers in the video bro

Agree. I always had trouble with getting the depth right. I'd rather shoot a slightly longer shot from up top. My best shot was always slightly off to the side near the top of the key; a little bit of angle on the board helped my depth perception a lot. I also always worried about stepping out of bounds in the corners.

Yeah I saw that take and I immediately agreed. The problem abt coner threes is that it is either in or an airball. Non corner threes have swish, bank, better chance of bouncing off the rim, and more space to shoot

1997 Bulls with Bison Dele. They have the scoring with Dele, they can go small without actually going small and their defense was way better than Golden State's.

I would say the 2018 Rockets have a better chance

He's definitely going to have a few all time great seasons, but you still have to question the longevity. I'd bet he doesn't win any championships or MVPs or DPOYs after he turns 30.

@@denisl2760who knows but if his longevity continues he will be the goat. What he is doing as a rookie is incredible and if he keeps this up and improves into his prime and plays at this level or above for 15 seasons he would be top 5 easily

​@@denisl2760I don't think he'll slow down too much until those pesky mid 30s, can see him winning 10× DPOY and 8× MVP.

​@@denisl2760agreed, he has to absorb some of kareem longetivity if he want to win a championship after 30

Wendy being good from the very beginning was one of the easiest things ever to see happen. I’m no genius. I’m no basketball mastermind. It was just obvious as hell, that’s all.

Imo though Tim Duncan's career is the best blueprint of what you want out of a 1st Overall Pick for your organization

Also it helps his case the spurs quickly became a mediocre joke after he left

LeBron fan overrated Tim because he kept getting in Bron ahh 😂😂😂

@@imhotepnixonSpurs we’re the 2nd best team in the NBA in 2017 after he retired and might have won the title if Zaza didn’t injure Kawhi in WCF vs KD GSW and all they did was drop Duncan from the roster in the off season he was blessed to be in the best situation in the NBA and load managed and played light minutes the back have of his career

@@davis2k1234 that team was still heavily influenced by him, each year removed from him retiring they got more and more dog shi, people made this same mistake with brady and the patriots

Fr dude broke every record in his rookie season

Jesus loves you.

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Please papi comment more often I love your engagement into our community bubba

no hes wrong, anyone that says they are hard is just not a shooter

@@OliverWulff Oliver please spend some time understanding what he's saying. He didn't say corner 3s are hard, he said they are not the easiest 3pt shoot on the court, and he also back its up with stats... and common sense to be honest.

As someone who plays basketball, the corner three is the easiest three pointer

??? Quite literally the easiest bruh

Facts

@@j0rboeasiest is subjective “closest to the basket” is more accurate

it depends honestly, but you gotta have the right amount of power for a corner shot. not too many friendly bounces like the other spots around the arc

we're already immensely impressed, tf do you mean we'll all be impressed, we've BEEN impressed

with the fate of the universe on the line

I WANT IGUOYAMA

MJ’s gonna take it personal and invest a billion into a time machine and average 36 his rookie year

Stop worshipping humans. Wemby is the clear #1 overall pick in a historical NBA draft

They're nothing remotely comparable, cus wemby has a legitimate chance of beginning the goat

How did the competition in the Euroleague differ for his development than what he's experiencing in the NBA? I ask, because I too have noticed there's a certain 'polish' on players that come from the Euroleague system that even in players not athletically gifted helps them succeed in the NBA.

I always figure that the high European draft picks played euro league at least 2-3 years at some point

@@isaacjohnson7573 I wonder what would happen if there were transfer portals for players (and unless there's some NIL adoption it'd be a moot point) to go play overseas leading up to draft availability to better refine their games.

@@CharlesSweet I will speak only from my experience so it'll be a little sample size but yeah, it's totally normal for Euro young players to be more polished than US young players. When I was 16 I had the HUGE opportunity to change team and go play for a team that was competing in a higher level competition. Now, the way basketball and franchises are structured here is different from the US. You don't have high school/college championships and tournaments, you've got different tiers of levels for basically each year for teenagers, up until under19. So silver, gold and Eccellenza (a national tournament, with the best players, kinda like D1) this for every year so under 13 silver, gold and eccellenza, 14, 15 and so forth until 19. Every franchise usually has an Adult team too and they compete in adult championships, it goes like this: Serie D, C2, C1, B, A2, A (whereas D is lower and A is pros, a tier under Euroleague, here you find Armani Milano, Virtus Bologna and so on). Now, every franchise has the freedom to do whatever they want with their youth, this means that you can find franchises that let very young players (15, 16 ecc) play with Adults or full teams with very young players compete in adult championships. I did that. When I was 15 I got the chance to play in C1 with adults cause I was a young promising player and then the next year a Serie B team called me to be one of the young players of the team (every adult team has to have at least two under 21 on the roster, that's a rule). Let me tell you, that changes the way you play, you go from playing with 16/17 year olds to 25 to 35 semi pro players that have been playing at a super high level for years, even older pro players, and that casts a different light on the way you see the game, everything is faster, everyone is stronger and a better player than you and there's far more tactic than you've ever experienced before. I think the reason rookies from the US are rougher is this, yeah, maybe they're freshmen playing with seniors, but that's it, they're not playing with adults in their prime or a little after it with lightyears of experience over them. This said, it be far better if schools here had championships and teams and tournaments too.

@@federicobravi5752 Absolutely outstanding - thank you for sharing this with me. I 100% agree that a more systematic approach (like the one you just outlined) would improve the quality of draft stocks here in the US.

He did the same thing with Tim Duncan. Proved why he deserves to be in top 10 or 5 conversations while trying to disprove it.

I know friends that think his top 3-5. But 5-8 is very much a good spot for him

I think 5 - 8 is okay. Certainly somewhere in the top 15, probably in the top 10, but higher than 5 seems like a stretch to me. Top 5 career I'd buy; top 5 player not so much.

He is behind MJ, Lebron, Kareem, Shaq, Magic, and Hakeem by a safe distance. That’s 6 right there.

@@pigs6486he’s better than magic

​@@pigs6486He's ahead of Hakeem (by far) but probably behind Bird. Bird has an underrated peak before his back.

Me too

That always hits back or front rim for me. Wing 3 been the easiest for me atl

I think the elbow three is easier. You have more depth perception when you look at the rim and the backboard from an angle instead of head on. Plus, it's where most threes are shot.

Facts, top is easiest.

It’s all psychological. I like right corner, but left corner hates me. I also like left 45, but somehow right 45 makes me uncomfortable. Everyone’s weird in a different way.

yea we likely would never have seen a 3-1 comeback if he stayed in miami. That finals was historic, probably the best.

Yep. When pushing a dude into top 10 top 5, people need to see a player win the "hard" way. Lebron win Clevland's first Chip against the 73 win Golden State, Kobe get 2 rings without Shaq. Curry get a Chip at 22 without KD.

Dude he only went back to Cleveland because they had Kyrie and the No1 pick aka Klove trade he worked out before hand that was just his next super team it was pure coincidence it was Cleveland Lebron in 2010 “Akron is my hometown not Cleveland I don’t owe that city anything” Lebron in 2014 “Cleveland im coming home” FRAUD

A lot of people do view him as a ring chaser. Only difference between him & KD is that he managed to win rings with more of those teams. KD managed to be on the best of all those teams, but he couldn't take all the people pointing out how he joined an already ELITE team that won a ring without him. But hey, he got 2 rings out of it so good for him.

​@@davis2k1234they construct that roster because of him LMFAO

Sorry - I can't "Let it be" - it's The Beatles.

I don't blame them, if not for that league change that the warriors brought in terms of play style, LeBron is sitting on 2-3 more chips imo because he was beginning to lose his mind lol

Stop spreading these lies. The Warriors didn't need KD to beat the Cavaliers.

The only team that gave the warriors a sweat was the Rockets

@@RulingClassMentalityeven Draymond admitted that they needed KD to win moving forward. Go watch it and you stop spreading nonsense.

Someone with sense thank you🙏🏽

I am seeing a lot of 5th or 6th but never really top 3 unless they are out of their minds. Me? Have him just outside of the top 10 with curry and maybe someone like durant.

​​@@scottb3034Nah I have seen people saying Duncan is the goat quite a few times. Actually more than you could imagine

@@crimsonkid1863 Well they don't know what they are talking about then. He isn't even the greatest spur ever.

Those 2019 playoff injuries were some serious hexes man, even as someone rooting against them I felt bad. 5 All Stars on the team and all of them injured at one point

Tim Duncan was BAD!

Pure facts. Unless an organisation was assembling the best of the best together (somehow), nobody was knocking off the Warriors

Oh yeah 100% and if draymond doesn’t get hurt in the 3-1 finals they win that. They would be considered the greatest dynasty ever if all of them didn’t get hurt but that’s not what happened and I’m not a warriors fan or a warriors hater either I’m indifferent about them (I used to like them but matured a bit) and they did get hurt and now we have to live with them honestly having a crazy downfall

It was karma for ruining the NBA for years I guess. It sucks knowing beforehand who is going to win the ring, there was absolutely no contest. (inb4 warriors fans assaulting my DMs)

U dont have a problem with lebrons miami or yall just remember the warriors superteam smh

@@ishaankulkarni9387 the miami lebron team was not a superteam, it was just arguably a decent construction around the arguably best player of all time in his prime. the warriors team had two top 3 players at their peaks simultaneously with one of the best defenders ever and another of the best shooters of all time, as well as solid role players across the board. the fact that the warriors team almost swept back to back in the playoffs while healthy and the miami lebron team lost in the finals when healthy and came very close to losing a few seasons later shows the gap

Isn't that the year that ZaZa injured Leonard when the spurs were up by 20 something?

@@maurygoldblat8982 lemme guess you got that from the rebound video😂

@@nish8399 That Heat team was a superteam bro

No cap. Literally made me stop watching basketball until the Finals agains Toronto

I stopped watching when Miami created their big 3

@@ballngm64you stopped watching for no reason. The Miami Heat big 3 was not as “unfair” as the 17’ warriors, you still had three HOF’ers on the Celtics, Spurs, the young OKC, Kobe n Pau in LA, etc.

@@ballngm64just lying for attention

facts as a mavs fan we beat that miami team and that gave us and all the other teams hope that it could be done. that warriors team with kd was so good you didn’t even want to watch the games because you already knew the outcome

I wish we could have had a healthy Kawhi Leonard for that series.

@@jacobrowe7538 ik spurs were leading, over 7 games i dont see the spurs taking that home

@@jacobrowe7538 We weren’t winning that series. The warriors were too overpowered.

The Warriors were the better team no doubt, but the Spurs totally could've won 2 games and made the series competitive. @@nicyee3701

Spurs would have won if it wasn’t for him.

Yeah, but everyone sleeps on him because of the era. Also isn’t as versatile as Wemby and was already 23. It’s a good point tho

Preach

bro if we done with the 90's, we done with the 60's a thousand times over. Wemby crossing that boy out his shi.

@@Billi84-MaBoi In all honesty, Wilt was an athletic superhuman. Wemby might have a deeper bag than rookie wilt, but wilt was way stronger and more athletic.

Yea against who?

for me they're the worst top of the key are the easiest as a guard

​@@GoulaLegamer Same. This week, when I had a shoot out with my teammate it was the first time I was much better from the corner than from the rest of the court, with 7/10 and 8/10, I was shocked, not because I hit 7 or 8 out of 10, but because I did it from the corner. F the corner 3, I prefer the backboard as a reference to shoot better (I don't bank shots, but it helps me as a reference).

I see where you all come from, but it is the easiest. He also said why, because in the corner, most of the time those sharpshooters get a clear look. That's why they say it is the easiest one. If you ask me, it's not, but to those guys in the NBA, it is.

I always airball corner threes

yeah, one of the points he brought up was the backboard, you can be a little off, but you can soft bank a 3 point shot, but from the corner, the bank 3 is far less likely to go in, so I totally agree with his points as even playing at the playground, get balied out by the backboard, but not sure I ever had if I tried shooting a corner 3.

He's casual now because he doesn't agree with you anymore? Yall 90s glazer were all over this man

​@@imanamerican553 no bc he said some incorrect information about duncan

@@MarHolmes like what

Absolutely, most of the time he got good point but Lmao that Tim Duncan take was horrible ! Especially knowing spurs history for years they didn’t do anything great that’s a winning culture with a young coach and a lot of help from stars ?! 😂

​@@holypopy fr Tim duncan is easily top 6 all time

playing against plumbers

I think Wilt is possibly the best athlete to have ever played, but he doesn't have the finesse snd shooting that Victor does. 1 v 1 I think Wilt breaks him, but on a team, Victor stretches the floor and controls the paint on D better (only because of his length)

@@codynorton5402 I agree that Victor has displayed better “talent” but I think with today’s advances in training wilt could easily develop the finesse and shooting of victor while remaining the greatest athlete the game has ever seen.

@@jamesondale7320he already had that in his era. Played for the globetrotters and up until the 70’s he was a primarily a jump shooter

He also played against guys who wouldn't even be good enough to play D1 ball today

Jordan made the bulls winning culture, Duncan was drafted in it

@@spideyspits1667I don’t know why that is presumed to be true. Popp is no doubt a legendary coach but most of his coaching career (and virtually all of his success ) coincided perfectly with Duncan.

Yup lol. Apparently Phil fucking Jackson, Scottie fucking Pippen, and Shaquille fucking O’Neal were all a bunch of bums being carried by MJ and Kobe, but Timmy was secretly being boosted by Pop and players better than Shaq and Pippen (Manu, Tony, Bowen, Rich J…. 😂)

@@spideyspits1667the Spurs were horrible when Duncan was drafted lol.

@@spideyspits1667 spurs hadnt made it to the western conference finals in like a decade before Timmy was drafted. He won FMVP in his third year. He was drafted into a consistently alright team and made it into a perennial contender, on the back of his consistency and fundamental play.

good take

2014 spurs would probably be my pick too

Stop it, washed up dirk took this team to 7

They were such a thing of beauty

Hell nah

Bro it’s the 30th 💀 there are 31 days in March

@@josephyoung6122 america is not the only country in the world

Dude was a day early on his day early April Fools comment

@@guythatlovespotatono shit

​@@Splodetimezones exist, ignorant American npc!

Him never having a losing says infinitely more about the team than it says about him, Jordan, lebron have had losing seasons but duncan doesn't hold a candle to them, he definitely is slightly overrated

Tim Duncan was not a power forward, he was a center. He only played the 4 out of respect to David Robinson.

He is overrated by kids today, because of old folks like me saying how great he was.

Did you not watch the video? He also agrees Duncan is a top10-15 player. But people putting him top3 is going too far imho.

LeBron fans don't care about losing...duh

Not really a take, just an observation

Watch him break like a twig in a couple years

Lebron doesn't even have the torch right now you fool. Jokic, Luka and Giannis are all better than him right now

Y'all were saying that about Zion 😆

For the way I see it, Lebron is definitely passing the torch to Luka Doncic. It's his generation and we'll praise him once he wins a title

Yo*

I think just for LeBron’s case, the Heat could have had even more great years, but not for Wade and Bosh. By 2014, Wade’s body was really breaking down on him badly and he already missed a ton of games in the last Big 3 season. His injures likely would have stayed the same even if LeBron stayed which probably would have reduced his role on the team. As for Bosh, his blood clots were always going to happen no matter what, so he would have likely would have only had one good season with LeBron had he stayed.

He had to get his home city a ring my guy. it was always the mission

The 2020 team wasn’t his fault. They didn’t have the cap space and players were asking for way more since they just won a chip

Agree and Lebron is my guy. I just think the first stint with the Cavs showed him that an organization making the wrong moves could literally break his career, so he felt like he needed to take charge. Makes sense, but I do think he's been wrong more than once.

if a single player is able to make decisions over the actual gm, that is simply a bad gm

1997 Bulls would still beat them. that team won 69 games missing 2 HOF for 30 games each and their starting center luc longley for 20. They also acquired an all-star in bison dele to help in the playoffs. Could play small while still being very big and had better defense than just about any other team in history. they'd also have a rebounding edge of 20 over the warriors every game.

The rise of Tim Duncan's status is mostly due to the polarized nature of GOAT debates.

I recently heard someone argue for the NBA "Put up all the individual stats you want, you play Basketball to win". I kinda like that logic and with that in mind, Tim Duncan won over 1000 games in his career at a 72% winning percentage. The spurs were basically an automatic 50+ win team during his career

@@beefhammer270 that has a lot to do with the organisation. Like if your numbers are not good u aint really doing that much as fans think. not talking about duncan casue his prime was insne

he isn't....he's 24th in oWar and 2nd in dWar for an aggregate of 6th. Even with advanced analytics he doesn't shake out as most valuable or a top 4. And things like WAR or VORP are very much a longevity thing which is why he is so high but not the only way to measure value. Sure being pretty good for a long time is great but being amazing for a shorter time may be even more valuable and better. Just ask a Jordan or a Magic. I would take their shorter, higher peak careers than duncans really long, steady one.

The thing is this was NEVER an argument. Corner 3 was always the toughest.

Among the general fanbase though Duncan was DEFINITELY not top 10 when he retired, he quickly crept up the rankings though and Jimmy's take isn't wrong even if what he said about being 15th was.

The 'tiktok' take would be the opposite, saying timmy is top 5 all time😂

My point is, I don’t think he “crept up” the rankings. I’m not sure how you would go about measuring “general fan” sentiment, but my comment above is not cherry-picked; I’ve never seen a list from a “popular” outlet that had Duncan in the 15th range. It’s really hard to be universally seen as the GOAT PF (which he was before he retired) and be outside the top 10.

Tim Duncan was pretty much unanimous top 10 nearly top 5 when he retired

look up bruce bowen's top 5 all time. Even Tim duncan's teamate (bruce bowen) puts Kobe over Duncan. Duncan was great, but thrived because he literally was under Popp and the greatest offensive system ever. Not to mention duncan "led" team USA to bronze in 2004 with lebron (the one time we saw Duncan NOT play under Popp. He failed (USA always got gold before that). I think the rise of Duncan in the rakings is correlated to lebron fans honestly. Duncan's two main strenghts are consistency and longevity (same as Lebron's arguemnts for the GOAT). Thats why it took Gen Z kids to move Duncan up the list to also argue for Lebron to be higher than MJ (who didn't have longevity since he retired twice and early).

under modern rules, easily the best team, not sure in a different era with a dominant center or more contact allowed by officials those guys would all be lining up behind the arc when a "snakebite" foul doesn't get called and the 3's don't fall.

1996 Bulls are better

​@@hepwo91222their floor spacing would kill any defense. Modern athleticism can hardly keep up with curry running around. kd would score at will. That dominant center is wasting his time guarding Zaza while the rest of his team is getting cooked. Until they put demarcus cousins in who could go to work in the post.

Yet they still couldn't 3 peat. Pathetic! The warriors were lucky af they didn't go up against luka or wemby

That's his worst take on this list. Warriors had only 2 superstars where past and future teams have had more.

Still can’t disregard how amazing the spurs was and is at managing a team in basketball, replace Tim Duncan with shaq or KG and you get a very similar situation I feel like actually they would’ve both been better

Everyone that was part of that dynasty HAS already said it was all thanks too Timmy , yet people like Highroller wanna give credit to everyone but Duncan and he’s the only player all time to win 4 rings without a teammate that made all nba that year

Do people really believe this? 😂 Only lebron fans says this because Duncan has a more successful legacy. 5-1 finals record, never missed the playoffs, 0 losing seasons. All with the same team. The most successful legacy of all time.

Robinson played another like 6 years after duncan was drafted...sure he was never the same player from the injury but he was all-star level for handful more years despite it and duncan taking away from him. It wasn't like he retired after 1999.

@@ArturoRamirez2003BSyet when it is all done he will have 4 HOF teammates. and their giving deference to duncan doesn't mean others weren't capable of doing as well or better than him in that situation...just means they know he was a great player.

The only one he missed on was the lebron one cleveland was the best move for him

He missed on the Duncan one.

Nah the Timmy D take was horrible lol

He has LeBum over Timmy, peak redditor move.

That Tim duncan take was nasty

I think the thing is that he is not disrespecting Tim, He gave him his flowers just said that people take it too far

also with timmy, spurs where never near the finals, until he was drafted there.

Not for nothing but I'm a Spurs fan and the system hasn't been looking that great without TD .. No matter how good the system is, you need great players to execute the plays so I agree with you.

The Difference is that Brady won 7, duncan only won 5. look up bruce bowen's top 5 all time. Even Tim duncan's teamate (bruce bowen) puts Kobe over Duncan. Duncan was great, but thrived because he literally was under Popp and the greatest offensive system ever. Not to mention duncan "led" team USA to bronze in 2004 with lebron (the one time we saw Duncan NOT play under Popp. He failed (USA always got gold before that). I think the rise of Duncan in the rakings is correlated to lebron fans honestly. Duncan's two main strenghts are consistency and longevity (same as Lebron's arguemnts for the GOAT). Thats why it took Gen Z kids to move Duncan up the list to also argue for Lebron to be higher than MJ (who didn't have longevity since he retired twice and early).

@@zohkkenthe Spurs were 2 wins away in 1995....what do you mean never near? Oh and the gervin spurs made the conference finals 3 times. 2 wins away in 83, 4 wins away in 82 and in 1979 they lost the eastern conference final in game 7 to the washington bullets.

never heard this before, great take

100% agree. Same as saying Steph is overrated because he played in a good system.. That one made no sense to me

LeBron had dumb and dumber for two of his four 👀

For a guy who's meant to be this profound basketball thinker that was an extremely tired and casual take. When Duncan got hurt and missed the playoffs the year after winning his first championship that supposedly great Spurs team he had with David Robinson couldn't get out of the first round against a 5th seeded Suns team whose best player Jason Kidd didn't even play in the series, they really weren't that good. Then there was that bullshit about Duncan benefitting from continuity even though he later admitted LeBron left Miami because it was a disadvantage for him to stay on the same team, by his logic Jordan shouldn't be the GOAT.

Yeah, but without Pop and without Phil, Duncan led Team USA to a humiliation and Kobe led it to redemption

IMO Duncan is definitely between 5-8, put him anywhere in there and I’m happy with it. Only thing that bothers me about Duncan is Kobe is constantly brought up about playing with Shaq yet no one ever brings up that Duncan always had support.