K-Pop Stans and Their Racism Against Asian People.
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00:00 Intro
01:38 What it looks like & Historical Context
03:56 How do K-Pop Stans Perpetuate this?
08:40 Does Gender also play into this?
10:50 Generalizations, Pannchoa and Naver
16:11 My own Personal Experiences
20:08 Outro
@PlanetMinjae Жыл бұрын
Hey everyone! Just thought I'd let you all know that i am SO sorry for the slight audio troubles in the first 4 minutes of the video, the audio got corrupted so like half my sentences were cut out of section 1 so I literally had to read my lips and record individual audio clips to fill in the corrupted sections (it took like 3 hours for just those 4 minutes)😭😭😭 I promise after the first 4 minutes the audio has NO other problems and overall the video still flows smoothly. This is honestly the video I'm most proud of on my entire channel and I'm so upset the first section is choppy, but I hope my message still gets across. Love you all 💙
@royalreveluv Жыл бұрын
This was so well made! I really appreciate the section about generalization and naver vs nate !
@vipman2170 Жыл бұрын
what a coincidence that all your accs always have the same issues at the same time, like everglow up, winterosy, kpopfication, jennieluv, blossom ink, plumslight etc, which is why the next coincidence is that 3 of these accs deleted their vids today after many people saw that and called you out on it.
@HadassaMoon144 Жыл бұрын
What are you even talking about??
@liaddractive Жыл бұрын
@@HadassaMoon144 he’s talking about racism read the title and watch the video
@liaddractive Жыл бұрын
@@Stella-tv7pw oh lmao nvm then
@seulgissolodebut7942 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for making this video. I’m not Asian (I’m Black), but I’ve been noticing how strangely K-pop stans view and treat idols. When I see idols, I see people that have a career in the performing arts, people that have worked hard to get where they are. But I think lots of K-pop stans see things… objects… dolls created solely for their entertainment… and it’s gross. You really put all of my thoughts in words, and I also gained new insight about this issue, too. This is so important, and I hope people take this video very seriously.
@rubyaddison5446 Жыл бұрын
Facts 💯
@me4_president Жыл бұрын
Yes, I’ve met a bunch of other white K-pop stans online (I am white as well) and they’re always, always always ALWAYS, either talking about how this idol is their significant other/how they’re meant for each other OR their saying how K-pop idols don’t “act right.” As a white person, I am disgusted with our global image, and people like this are the reason it’s this bad. Totally disregarding and disrespecting other peoples ways of life. Totally unacceptable
@liaddractive Жыл бұрын
I’m black and i agree it’s disgusting how people expect kpop idols to meet a standard that western idols don’t for example Ariana grande dates people and everyone’s fine with it but when a kpop idol dates it’s suddenly the end of the world. (Sorry for ranting)
@ELmayberry Жыл бұрын
yeah, I view idols the same way as you. was shocked the first time I realized that a lot of ppl view idols as dolls that's made for them 😬 I loved watching this video, feels like I learned a lot.
@dalea4rj846 Жыл бұрын
@@liaddractive i wish this could apply for taylor swift as well but if she ever publicly dated people are quick to call her “tan through” and sl*t shame her
@yamshoes Жыл бұрын
what rlly pisses me off is when kpop fans force idols to learn english for them when they dont even make the effort to learn korean when consuming korean content
@jeghetersoojeong Жыл бұрын
Yeah ngl i am Korean and 'oppa english plz'/'why wouldn't you provide eng subs?' comment is probably what Korean kpop fans hate the most lol like, a lot of Koreans love foreign artists such as idk adele, billie eilish, etc but do we tell them to speak Korean? No. Why? Because it's not their mother tongue. 🤷🏻♀️
@LancesArmorStriking Жыл бұрын
I mean... I hate to say it but you reap what you sow. K-Pop was literally sponsored by the government as a project to spread Korean culture abroad (iirc emulating the Thai government success of spreading its food culture). The music industry in korea was literally created to be outward-facing and cater to western audience. If koreans do not like that, then they need to demand change or start over their whole music industry. Russia for example started by copying american rappers in the 1990s, but quickly developed their own style and mostly focused on spreading into the domestic market. We don't face the same issues that k-pop stars do because our music is made for ourselves, k-pop deliberately includes english words and lines to appeal to americans while spanish, french etc usually doesnt
@jeghetersoojeong Жыл бұрын
@@LancesArmorStriking lol again with this 'sponsored by the government' bs theory. I am Korean and idk why foreigners keep saying this. those entertaiment companies will be so upset if they hear this. The government sponsors what exactly? Producing idols? Lmao Do you listen to yourself? It's all companies' investment, companies' work, and that's it. From H.O.T to BTS. Maybe the goverment used kpop singers as 'models' of something but they 'sponsored' the industry? The whole industry was created by the goverment? No lol
@gettingcalledoutontwitteri1882 Жыл бұрын
@@jeghetersoojeong What u compared isnt even comparable. I mean,the comment that u wrote was wrong. Companies as a bare minimum should provide english subs,since they use our money and want to be famous here and since using others genres and cultures. English is literally the second language for everyone. Since their main focus is West,then they should do those things if they want to succeed. Sure white Americans are selfish not to try other languages but not all of us are Americans.
@jeghetersoojeong Жыл бұрын
@@gettingcalledoutontwitteri1882 lol 1. you think English speaking singers don't perform & earn money from Korea? They get money from Korea as well in case you don't know 🙃 2. Who says their 'main focus' is west lol says who? 3. I am not just talking about companies, yes if int fans want Eng subs from singer's companies, that would be fair. But they would ask for the subs for any videos/any time. Like for videos from KBS/MBC/Sbs. That's like me asking ABC/FOX Korean subs just because my favorite American artist is in one of their videos. American artist in the American TV show, and I demand them to put Korean sub lol Who fucking does that
@finnlinnsone Жыл бұрын
As a Vietnamese person I'm grateful that you're willing to speak up on this. I noticed that many Western fans like to pin issues that are within the community on Korean netizens, when in reality topics such as cyber bullying, bodyshaming and harassment is just as much of a Western netizen issue. Many Western fans act like they're superior to Koreans in particular which is such a disturbing attitude to me as someone who has experienced and witnessed racism and xenophobia myself.
@rin7109 Жыл бұрын
And Koreans also consider themselves to be of a higher degree than other Asians, especially Southeast Asians because of their slightly darker skin tone and think that Westerners are better.
@alexa_depphil7542 Жыл бұрын
@@rin7109 Nope I think only the Chinese people think like that. I've seen many Chinese living here in Philippines. They're are very arrogant and disrespectful.
@alexa_depphil7542 Жыл бұрын
@@rin7109 And my Experience with koreans in here are very curious and gentle they like food alot and they're very respectful .
@TT-ee1vv Жыл бұрын
@@rin7109 Imagine generalizing a whole country. If we're going by your statement then as an African the feeling of "superiority" should not be put on only Koreans alone. I know fellow Africans that have faced discrimination in other Asian countries. Discrimination and racism isn't a South Korean thing only.
@ayoayo1044 Жыл бұрын
I 100% have seen this. People like to point out how bad Korea and other Asian countries are and fail to see they live in a place just as bad. Ive also seen western stans act extremely toxic and nasty for no reason
@bleepblop7394 Жыл бұрын
As an asian guy i absolutely AGREE that Gender plays an integral role in this. I saw this clip of Sunghoon (from Enhypen) rolling his eyes while mcing because he was understandably tired while interviewing idols after idols while he was with Wonyoung (a girl who was almost chased by a mob for eating a strawberry). If it was Wonyoung i without any doubt think she would've faced the Jennie treatment.
@niniwatches Жыл бұрын
i seriously feel for wonyoung. she's so young but has this constant buzzing crowd around her that is just always waiting for her to make a mistake or smth just so they can charge after her :(
@dubblebubbletoilandtrouble6646 Жыл бұрын
@@niniwatches I worry about her.
@appletart7262 Жыл бұрын
Can someone explain the Wonyoung strawberry thing? Why did everyone collectively call her a pick me for eating a strawberry?
@Valentina_Bae Жыл бұрын
@@appletart7262 bcs of the way she was eating it with two hands and also in a cute way.
@hallooos7585 Жыл бұрын
@@niniwatches She should realize that the angry people are jealous that she is prettier than them and they want to bring her down and I hope she realizes this so she wouldn’t have to worry about the flies that will never stop buzzing you around about the littlest things
@aram9988 Жыл бұрын
western kpop stans' superiority over k-netizens or asians in general is just... no
@rubyaddison5446 Жыл бұрын
Literally it makes me annoyed how there are people that think it’s ok to do so
@cloudmellow8521 Жыл бұрын
Western kpop stans like to pull the "but they are international idols they should know this and that and act like this ect" like they dont see how messed up and selfish they are. They go and listen to kpop and cherry pick what they want then bash korean culture or even asian culture telling them the way they should do things, according to their own western standards.
@rikkus Жыл бұрын
US Americans have a very hard time understanding social norms that are different to their own.
@shuasn Жыл бұрын
yup, they want everyone to believe the same things that they do and do what they do.
@victjsofjsmdngor Жыл бұрын
and the fetishization, social norms, everything is completely normalized because nobody even realizes how wrong it is 😭
@iamsadandlame Жыл бұрын
@@victjsofjsmdngor the general consensus is that fetishization of any marginalized or ethnic group is wrong. A relatively small group of toxic stans don't represent the entire country.
@victjsofjsmdngor Жыл бұрын
@@iamsadandlame i never said that… i literally was talking about the people who DO fetishize asians not that the entire country thinks fetishization is okay
@rachelthehomosapiens Жыл бұрын
Isn’t that a human thing in general, though?
@purplelotus8536 Жыл бұрын
Bro when Asian hate was happening none of the kpop fans even spoke up.....
@LovelyKissess Жыл бұрын
Literally. I even saw some get mad whenever people mentioned it
@hayley4032 Жыл бұрын
I'm fully east asian but the title reminds me of the time I got bashed at my dance studio because I told these white/black kpop stans that the reason non asians don't debut as often is because Kpop is based in Korea and they were insisting that it wasn't fair and that at least 50% of idols should be non asian and that I should learn about American History like seriously? I'm Korean Cantonese and they don't even know what a mooncake is ffs What you said about Wonyoung was actually true, people were defending her for not bowing saying that "she was young and she was too excited" and it's the western fans saying this, the amount of arguments I got over this is so stupid because even a two year old knows how to bow in South Korea.
@victjsofjsmdngor Жыл бұрын
i literally bow when i end a phone call even if the person on the other end won’t see it 💀 it’s second nature, same as please and thank you. also on your first paragraph, it’s the harsh truth, because american groups aren’t as demanding. on the other hand kpop entertainments are not just looking for talent, but visuals all based off of the korean beauty standards. these people (specifically white people) really think it’s gonna be that easy to get in, but it isn’t
@hayley4032 Жыл бұрын
@@victjsofjsmdngor It's crazy how entitled people are, they act like idols like Bahiyyih didn't get famous because of Kai, but then turn around and say that idols like Wonyoung don't deserve what they have. Most western idols are given dance and rap roles(especially idols like Fatou, but that "bro" rap doesn't sound good either) because their voice just doesn't suit kpop. They would do well with Jazz, but not everyone sounds good with kpop. Stop complaining about how Bahiyyih has less lines, it's because the other members suit their lines better. Even with Japanese idols and Korean idols, the training culture is different(like with the Iz*one trainees getting culture shocked) so what makes you think that a person who hasn't trained as long as the rest of the trainees and just walk in and get a role?
@victjsofjsmdngor Жыл бұрын
@@hayley4032 preach, couldn’t have said that better myself
@X-Cactus Жыл бұрын
That's disgusting behavior from those in your dance studio. It should be obvious why mostly only Asians debut as Kpop artists. And honestly, I don't care at all to see white and black people in Kpop. I don't watch/listen to Kpop for a mixture of ethnicities. Not everything HAS to be all inclusive. Would any of those people learn how to speak and sing in Korean? Will they be just as dedicated to the arts as them? I highly doubt it. They only want inclusion. Leave them out, please. I just really don't understand why anyone would have such a mindset if they were a real fan of Kpop.
@hayley4032 Жыл бұрын
@@X-Cactus Honestly I agree, I hate it when a gay/plus sized/poc person etc is included just because of inclusivity There are people like this in the anime community as well, demanding black characters(not any other race?) to be included more on animes that are based in Japan(or even with black butler, which is based in Victorian England) Sometimes dedication isn't enough. If a person does not have the skill set to debut in kpop or become a trainee, they will be rejected. It's that simple, yet a concept international fans don't seem to understand. Honestly I like groups with fully East Asian members because they feel like they actually focus their career on their music and... Well, actual kpop and not promote English tracks a lot(BTS is an exception, but fans have been pressuring them so much that it would make sense because of the money) Take Kep1er/Momoland/Black Swan and IVE/Aespa as an example, Notice how the popular members are all western in the three groups I mentioned first, and the latter being visuals. Kpop companies aren't going to accept you and let you slack off just because you're a black person. They're going to put you on strict diets, and go under the knife. Yes, pretty privlige exists, it's also called survival of the fittest. Not every person is a "perfect talented qween" and that's okay People are so entitled that they just pull the plus size/poc/LGBTQ+ card everywhere nowdays
@sweetchocolatesecret Жыл бұрын
Black Kpop stans also have problems with these stereotypes. Often just because we're an oppressed group it gives other Black kpop stans the idea that they cannot perpetuate stereotypes or be oppressive themselves. We are all responsible how we treat other people we do not get a pass because we're a part of an oppressed group.
@DarkAngel2512 4 ай бұрын
Black people are not an oppressed group. Individuals experience oppression based on individual circumstances. You are NOT oppressed as a group.
@RC22318 Жыл бұрын
As an Asian and a longtime Kpop fan, I only recently felt the cultural difference after Queendom2 ended. Loona, which has more Western fans, and WJSN, which has more Asian fans, quarreled on Twitter. The cultural differences between them were really impressive. Of course, I don't want to discuss this. After all, it's over. But as an Asian, to be honest, I do often fail to understand the boundaries of Westerners' jokes. Many jokes are really hurtful to Asians, and it can even be said that they have no respect at all. In general, I still think these disputes between Asians and Westerners are a good thing. After all, if there are disputes, there will be discussions, and if there are discussions, there will be opportunities to be understood. I hope these disputes will develop in a positive way in the next few years, and everyone can understand and respect each other's differences better.
@AvesPasseri-Jinysvet Жыл бұрын
That is interesting. I am not on Twitter so I do not really know what was going on. I am a Loona international stan. What differences did you notice between the WJSN and LOONA stans?? I just know that LOONA stans are known for joking around...
@RC22318 Жыл бұрын
@@AvesPasseri-Jinysvet When you are joking with someone, the joke only works if the other person finds it funny; otherwise, it's just humiliation and provocation. For example, when a WJSN member had a car accident, Loona stan retweeted a post with a picture of a person carrying a coffin. I don't think that's funny. Or always use the nugu group to call WJSN. I don't think it's funny either. But you know what, what amazes me is the frequency of retweets and likes these posts get, and if WJSN stan wants Loona stan to stop, it will only get "We're just joking, why can't you be joking?" If you also think these are funny jokes, then I respect you. I just want to say that again: as an Asian, to be honest, I often fail to understand the boundaries of Westerners' jokes. I also want to clarify that my comment did not focus on Loona or WJSN, so if possible, please focus on the cultural differences I want to talk about. Thank you.
@kl2894 Жыл бұрын
@@RC22318 Those aren't jokes, no matter what they say. That's them being bitchy and trying to cover their bad behaviour by calling it a joke. What they said is definitely meant to hurt. It's typical 'mean girl' behaviour. And I say this as a white person who is a fan of neither group. You're not being too sensitive. Those kinds of posts are completely inappropriate in international circles as well. They're basically gaslighting you by telling you that you shouldn't be angry about something that was designed to make you angry. I realise this sounds like I'm trying to start a fandom war, I'm not. Fandom wars are idiotic, but I didn't want you thinking that those kind of 'jokes' were appropriate behaviour when they really aren't.
@kimkardashi-un2.051 Жыл бұрын
@@RC22318Ma'am, literally 1 person posted that and orbits are calling them disgusting and stuff... I'm Asian but we do the same thing, a lot of people slut shame and call Loona names and stuff, let's not act like we're angels here
@ELmayberry Жыл бұрын
@@RC22318 wtf.. that's not funny. that person was lying to you and wanted you to feel bad 👎
@La-PetitMort Жыл бұрын
When New Jeans came out and they said all the girls looked the same it was giving very much softcore racism
@vicvic5904 Жыл бұрын
Omg as a Korean, seeing kpop suddenly grow fame i kept seeing people blaming everything on Koreans, K-beauty standars and K netizens and so on. I still cant forget when i saw a video about idols getting hate comments, the comment section immediately assumed they were from Koreans, saying “it’s probably the Koreans” “knetizens are hated for a reason” “ they should be thankful living in the same country” “koreans are toxic” but i felt like i wasnt allowed to defend my country since i was the only korean in the comment section and everyone was leaving negative comments about Koreans. So whenever i saw them i just had to move on. I always thought to my self how ironic it was. They hated the country but loved the idols who are from said country. I always wrote comments and deleted them cause i had so much to say but they were too long for anyone to read. Its so weird seeing how people hate when others generalize their country but so easily does it to Koreans and nobody disagrees. Im so glad i wasnt the only one realizing this. Plus so many misconceptions about koreans that people just assume to be true, but cant be corrected because not many Koreans read english comments or see edits made by international fans. I feel like korea is gaining so much weird images and false rumors that people just believe to be true because everyone talks about it as if they are true. Im sry this is long but i kept this inside forever 🥲
@jinhazuki1054 Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry you had to go through all of that, but i'm glad you were finally able to get that out. Honestly, here in the U.S we do have people who are walking talking contradictions of themselves. Where they can love things about the culture of people, yet hate the people. Or they say that they're "super religious" and attend church regularly, but still do horrible things. I know it's hard to understand, and accept but it is what it is. Try not to let it get to you, and as long as you don't become like them, that's all you can do.👍
@Nas97. 2 ай бұрын
Also id like to add that western countries, even in modern day, also dont have the greatest track record with human rights and are also suffer from reactionary ideas making a comeback. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
@riahlexington Жыл бұрын
as a white kpop fan, this is very informative. I think it’s true. :(. I see lots white people being creepy and fetishizing Asians and such and I think fans who want their idols to act a certain way or they think they can trol them is so messed up! Idols are humans. Obviously Knetz can be toxic too but white people trrying to generalize the Korean general public based on clickbaity articles is kind of yikes.
@victjsofjsmdngor Жыл бұрын
thank you. i am so tired of being fetishized when i try to post on instagram or something because whenever somebody sees me (profile picture) or another stereotypical “asian” (basically of chinese, viet, japanese, or korean ethnicity), suddenly we are compared to all the kpop idols under the sun. i have been told over the internet really scary things and it’s honestly hard to forget. i’m glad there’s people who are finding this video and more like it because this topic is severely not talked about.
@riahlexington Жыл бұрын
@@victjsofjsmdngor dang that sucks. People should remember that Asians are normal people
@gabdongipark Жыл бұрын
@@victjsofjsmdngor the simping is getting out of hand. I saw minors begging people to sexualize them and adults wont stop this is disgusting. As a black person, I feel bad when asian are complaining about facts and people are not taking them seriously but they would listen to me. This double standard must stop.
@AstarionWifey Жыл бұрын
Yeah why does your people fetishized us 😅😅😅
@itoo4884 Жыл бұрын
Generalizations are a big deal. It's so annoying when I netz say "Knetz are the worst" or "ack, Cnetz are the worst people on the planet". It makes us look morally correct even though nowadays we are all on the same page.
@BearyRusher Жыл бұрын
one thing i don't understand about some americans is the way they expect us, asians, to know about issues & cultures that exist in america yet they don't bother to learn about issues & cultures that exist in asia.
@Saihein98 Жыл бұрын
Western Stans be demanding Asians to learn their culture meanwhile they don’t even bother to listen to Asian Stans and make jokes about stereotypes lmao
@Trixy98 Жыл бұрын
Are there socio-cultural problems with Asia and Korea that need addressing? Yes. But why is an american fan being so loud about what we should be doing about it? a lot of western fans don’t put in the same effort to adjust to asian fandoms the way I as an asian fan have tried when in western fandoms. There will be cultural differences and norms that I had to learn while a lot of western fans stomp around and dictate instead of learn. Idk this has been a festering wound for me after years of being in multiple fandoms.
@maxidentfelix Жыл бұрын
Desi stan here, when some idols do culture appropriation which is projected to a certain poc community, certain whyte stans act as "protectors" or "saviours" thinking they know how they feel, when in reality they don't actually know how they feel because only that certain poc community know how it feels to be mocked or discriminated. Whyte stans are privileged so there opinion "stands" and they won't be bashed when a poc person related to that certain community tries to correct them. The other whyte stans attack the poc person instead. Hope you understood :>
@Trixy98 Жыл бұрын
@@maxidentfelix Hi I know this is late haha but I've noticed that a lot of the time affected communities will not have the same opinions. Someone outside of that community should just listen. Like, if two Desi fans are not agreeing over something, the last thing a non-Desi should be doing is picking as side and devalue the opinion of someone who likely knows more about the ins-and-outs of their culture than the loud outsider.
@Gray.Karen333 Жыл бұрын
Omg yes!!!!! Thank you!!! I have thought that so many times!! Its like a lot of westerners feel that just because they are engaging with korean entertainment, that gives them a right somhow to dictate to korean how and when it needs to change. So annoying and entitled.
@exudeku Жыл бұрын
Stans when they see East Asians: 🥴 Stans when they see South East Asians: 🤡
@xxx-te5lb Жыл бұрын
there is a hit tweet making fun of Soyeon's KOREAN accent... like at least try to hide it
@user-ho7rj3od7s Жыл бұрын
Disgusting. These racists make me barf.
@chaelynsam Жыл бұрын
I'm so sorry you had to go through that! Honestly, anyone that has a problem with you voicing out your opinions (very respectfully might I add), can deal with it on their own. You don't have to cater to people like that and if they leave, good riddance. And thanks for opening my eyes to this whole "model minority" thing, it was something I never really paid attention to but makes so much sense now that i think about it. What a great video. You keep doing you, and I love your content!
@victjsofjsmdngor Жыл бұрын
i love that this opened your eyes, the whole “model minority” term is also why racism against most asians/south/south east asians is normalized. racism against black people in the us is not over, but it is talked about. nobody realizes the small things against asians, like the amount of times i have received the “fox eyes” for my “small eyes” which in my profile picture they really aren’t even small, or how i am always referred to as “will byers” with my typical clean cut bangs style hair here in the states, but when an a fad (specifically korean) comes up, suddenly it’s “you kinda look like that guy from squid game”, “can you speak to me in anime”, etc. i have also received insults for the food i bring to school occasionally, as it looks “exotic” or “alien-like”, as well as an incident in the FIRST GRADE that had all the asians in my class to the principal’s office after an extremely questionable statement against asians from two people in our class. it’s so normalized it’s not even funny. i’m sorry for the rant but whenever i see posts like this, i must let out what i’m feeling because i am tired of being objected against for my race.
@tripleoof8159 Жыл бұрын
I'm Filipino too. I think it's not often discussed that racism against asians is ironically from fellow asians themselves. The K-pop fandom on Filipino net (super huge, might I add) also has a tendency to fetishize East Asians despite being in the position to empathize with tokenism. East Asian culture has come to the point where it's being seen as an aesthetic, as if it's pop culture is it's only culture. I think even as an Asian we should be careful when we're using a different Asian country's culture, because we might end up doing the same harmful things non-Asian stans do (like use Korean words as a flair). While Asian cultures have it's similarities, we also have stark differences, and we need to acknowledge that we don't have the same experiences and context. As a Filipino I don't think I can claim the same issues as a Korean person as we don't always share the same issues (and vice versa), as we are not a monolith. I don't know if it's a form of internal racism, or something else. But Asians either putting down, or tokenizing each other is just a weird phenomenon. I don't know if you plan to make a video on self fetishization, but it's definitely something you also are in the position to talk about as you are Filipino/Korean.
@sintura Жыл бұрын
i agree, as someone who's grown up in singapore EVEN singaporean-chinese people so heavily fetishize east asians if that makes sense. i've had family members tell me "oh you're so pretty you look korean" and i'm like :/ am i supposed to be flattered lol my family's ethnically chinese we don't even look that different from koreans and japanese people smh 😭i think indonesia is also another place with a huge number of kpop fans where east asian fetishization is so rampant. i've seen people almost try to reject their own culture by adopting korean culture as much as they can and it's just so so sad to me especially since every country in asia is so wonderfully rich in heritage.
@LovelyLittleLillies Жыл бұрын
Before kpop got big Koreans themselves would teach you these "flair" words. Had one call me noona when I didn't understand the cultural context. He was just sharing his culture with me. Some people take it too seriously. Koreans from Korea are more likely to want to share their culture and want other to enjoy their culture, including teaching non Koreans some Korean. 10 years ago this wasn't a problem...
@jawshie245 Жыл бұрын
this video said everything i’ve been thinking ever since i became a kpop fan! as an asian, i get quite uncomfortable when non-asian fans decide what and what is not “acceptable” for asians to do. of course, everyone is entitled to their opinion but forcing others or idols to adhere by western standards is just traumatizing, as i’ve experienced this kind of xenophobia myself something else that i think should be said is visuals. i hear lots of non- korean fans speaking up about the korean beauty standard. and as toxic as it is, i don’t think it’s right for non-koreans to change it. yes, it may be hurting your favorite idols, but then again, for some asian countries, visuals, talents, and achievements are what matter most and that is what people place value on. i’m just very uncomfortable with how asians, especially koreans, are treated. and also people are always saying knets this knets that, as if international fans are any better. knets are the main audience and should have the most say in things that are related to their entertainment.
@lpsmaniac998 Жыл бұрын
And you spoke! As someone a.) Asian b.) born and raised in Southeast Asia (Philippines) I have a problem with how Westerners often insert their own opinion or view their own Western-centric worldview as "correct" or "superior".
@Mashka14 Жыл бұрын
Honest and Straightforward Video on the History of Racism in the K-pop music industry and by K-pop Stans Especially on social media don't know the entire History of Korea and the culture. Plus it's unfortunately a double Standard in K-pop
@aureliesene4487 Жыл бұрын
what aggravate me the most is when kpop stan think that they have to insert themselves in korean people issues. Like for example with the rising sun flag, saying that it's not a big deal, korean people are overeacting, but once an issue touch america for example then they expect every single korean person to know everything about american history since it's creation. They are literaly the most ignorant about korean culture, yet have the most to say about it. Like just listen to the music and go.
@Genruin Жыл бұрын
@@aureliesene4487 You said it perfectly! They know the bare minimum about korean culture and then act like they still have a right to partake in discussion revolving korean culture matters/issues, it doesnt make any sense.😭
@user-ho7rj3od7s Жыл бұрын
@@aureliesene4487 Why would they even bother over something they aren't supposed to be bothered of? If they don't get it, leave. They're just hypocrites who like to put their noses into things.
@Mashka14 Жыл бұрын
@@aureliesene4487 couldn't agree more with the comment. The K-pop Stans don't know everything about the Korean culture and its history
@aureliesene4487 Жыл бұрын
@@user-ho7rj3od7s because kpop fans are the biggest hypocrites on earth.
@adot... Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I've been seeing this almost "superiority complex" from netizens (especially non-Asians) and I never knew where it came from and this explains it! Glad you made a video on this! Also, I'm sorry about what happened to you on the personal experiences, I mean I'm Greek and I don't mind translating things for people but when people use words from my language just to be "quirky", it just makes me feel uncomfortable and I just find it a bit rude. I remember that video, and I remember feeling better that I wasn't the only person that thought that way. I am truly sorry for the backlash you got for this, you didn't deserve it. I hope this video will be able to open the minds of some netizens or people, to understand that sometimes we are the discrimination that goes against K-pop idols and female western artists. In the end of the day, they are all artists and most of all human.
@gabdongipark Жыл бұрын
true
@DanasGoneCrazy Жыл бұрын
been noticing a disturbing trend of people making fun of idols' English... even not making fun but saying it's cute and infantilizing them when they speak English. it's weird
@a_a3189 Жыл бұрын
The way KPOP stans love to make fun of English in KPOP... like sure it's grammatically incorrect, but they're mostly non-native speakers. Grammatically incorrect songs is completely normal. It's called taking creative liberties. Languages are not that stiled that you can't change their rules for special circumstances. Especially art. And yes, even the so-called noise music you don't like, is considered art. Whether you like it or not, that's a different story
@interlude_dawn Жыл бұрын
Exactly. Especially when lots of “western” songs are full of grammatical errors too
@nightingale4786 Жыл бұрын
the point you made abt being treated differently depending on your perceived race is so relatable! as someone with westernized name but a racially ambiguous appearance, there's a distinct difference between how i get treated. for over-the-phone contact, i am almost exclusively perceived as white and i can esp feel this when doing things like booking hotels/making reservations etc. i can get what i want without much hassle whereas when my dad tries to do the same thing, he will often have to negotiate. while in person, when ppl think i'm a latina, my interactions (esp with men) end up being more playful and flirty? it's like ppl think i'm interested in them even when i'm not or that i want that sort of attention even though there is no indication of such. when they think i'm asian (i mostly get mistaken southeast asian ethnicities) i'm always seen as 'cute' and 'smol' and get treated like i'm a child and will constantly be told how lucky i am for looking young bc 'asians dont raisin'. when people actually get my race right or i tell them that i'm south asian, it's often conversations quickly veer towards academia or food. and esp from men, any potentially uncomfortable flirting doesn't happen bc i guess my features are magically less attractive lmao. it's such an interesting yet sad look at microaggressions, and how these experiences really shape social interactions with ppl. it also causes me to constantly check myself as well, considering so many stereotypes we have abt ppl are so internalized.
@jeghetersoojeong Жыл бұрын
Lol i am korean and this is very true. Americans do this all the time and it is so annoying. They expect Koreans to know American history esp black American history/slavery/culture, but how much do they know about Korean history such as what happened during Japanese invasion, when it happened, how it happened, how many times it happened? Ask yourself first. i don't expect them to know this because honestly it has nothing to do with them. It's the same for us when it comes to American history 🤷🏻♀️ one time i even saw the comment not believing that we don't learn much about black Americans' history in schools in Korea lol but like, why would we learn about that when we have our own history to learn? Is it good to learn about America's history? Yes. Is it mandatory for Koreans? No. It literally has nothing to do with us.
@synthiandrakon Жыл бұрын
One thing that's important to point out is that a lot of the news sites international fans are reading are essentially just tabloids, they're awful in the same way western tabloids are
@TT-ee1vv Жыл бұрын
True
@ELmayberry Жыл бұрын
sad but true 😅
@HadassaMoon144 Жыл бұрын
Sad that non-Koreans and non-Asians try to tell an actual Asian that something offense "is no big deal". This is common majority behavior. It's done to all minorities to keep the comfort of the majority...which is in this case..a white audience. Don't apologize for speaking up for yourself or ASK permission to do a damn thing. Don't give in. Stay strong. I enjoy your videos and you sharing your truth.
@MaB-ku4rz Жыл бұрын
This is SUCH an important video. I think everyone needs to hear this, but specially kpop stans. I got into kpop around the same time you did and I still get so mad about how people think of idols and, essencially, of asian people. You speak very well and I think this video is as a whole very didactic. Bringing your experience with a face reveal added a lot to your argument, so thank you for sharing!
@arianawendymangagirl Жыл бұрын
When I was watching RBB (English Version) by Red Velvet there where lots of comments saying that people where mocking the way RV spoke English. It was a nice thing for them to do - also they all speak very good English. If you love any group you wouldn't mock the way they speak a language - they can all speak 3 languages, can you? If your not gonna respect the way they speak, don't stan them!!!
@36137 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. Like English is the only language that "counts" and non-English speaking people are expected to pronounce it perfectly. Let's see how many Americans that can speak perfect Korean with no accent...
@renjithnair6890 Жыл бұрын
I'm Asian myself, specifically South Asian. My family is from India, however, I was born and raised in the United States. And even though, I'm not from East or Southeast Asia, I see a lot of what you talked about when it comes to being a model minority. In many Asian cultures, like in India and Korea, respect has a major role in society. Many asian children, no matter where they're born and rasied, have been thought to always be respectful to your elders and always be polite to anyone you meet. Basically, follow the social etiquette and be a decent human being. So, when I first got into K-pop, I saw many idols bowing and showing respect, it was somewhat normal for me. While respect and etiquette is done in different ways across the multiple different countries in Asia, there are some similar foundations. So, it wasn't totally jarring fro me. I was able to think "Wow, so this is how that's done in Korea, it's different than what's done in India but it has the same effect". It's fasinating to see how different cultures can mesh and interact. However, with that comes the bigotry. Myself, I have been told many times that I'm not 'asian' as I don't hail from East Asia or Southeast Asia. And that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. And unfortunately, those types of comment are usually from white people. Like who are you to say that I'm not 'asian' enough when you don't even qualify. I've also been told that I need to apologize for 9/11. Like what? I'm glad you made a video about this topic and how you were able to stand up for yourself. This is what a lot of Kpop stans, especially caucasian Kpop stans, need to hear.
@Howl_In_Harmony Жыл бұрын
I agree with you some western people really need to mind their own business and keep their useless opinions to themselves regrading asian culture
@appletart7262 Жыл бұрын
I’m also South Asian (Nepali specifically) and the amount of times I’ve had white people say ridiculously ignorant things is… frustrating. Mostly people are confused when I refer to myself as Asian, but I vividly remember one time where this white boy looked me up and down and told me I didn’t “look Chinese” as if thats the only type of Asian that exists. And the amount of micro aggressions I get about speaking English too. Even though I was born and raised in Canada, I still have white people telling me “I can’t believe your English is so good, it’s better than mine even though I’m a real Canadian!” and things similar to that. A lot of people’s expectations for South Asian people is that we speak with stereotypical accents and with broken English, yet somehow we’re also held to the standard of being “naturally smart” (which other Asians get as well) despite that. People are just so comfortable in their ignorance and it frustrates me to no end
@wedoliveinasocietydowenot Жыл бұрын
I'm also South Asian (Bangladeshi) and yeah, I get that "wait, wait, wait, you are an Asian?" duhh ofc I am. While I personally don't face the microaggression about the speaking in that stereotypical accent, my parents do. Since they were raised in Bangladesh (I was born and raised in Canada btw), their English is almost "British", and people are always shocked that they don't speak like how the media portrays us to. Also, to touch upon the Asian thing again, the only people that knew right off the bat that I am Asian and didn't question it are obviously people that knew geography well, and people that hailed from the U.K. I remember being shocked that they didn't question it, and they said, "oh in the U.K. South Asians are just Asian." I asked what they use for people from the East and Southeast and they had said that they used Oriental or specified it as "East Asian" and "Southeast Asian." So, it's the opposite there. I believe it's like that cause us South Asians are the overwhelming majority there and we've had established communities for centuries. It was pretty neat to find out how it is different around the world.
@groovyc4496 Жыл бұрын
Someone said you need to apologize for 9/11??? Wow that's hurtful and downright ignorant.
@_miss_k Жыл бұрын
I completely agree that international K-pop fans, more prominently american and european ones, hold idols to a higher standard than they would any white male artist. But another reason for this, besides racial expectations, is the culture around K-pop. The K-pop community has always seen idols as objects to own rather than talented artists, this translates in dating bans, lack of public political opinion or any opinions for that matter, this culture around K-pop has existed long before it hit the international market and it is because of this culture that K-pop attracts entitled people who want more control in other people's life like celebrities to then be a part of this community.
@gabdongipark Жыл бұрын
faaaacts this is why I love idols and companies that break that norm.
@seokjin3000 Жыл бұрын
i.e., "I agree that Westerners can behave super entitled towards a non-white indigenous people, but it's because of their cultural traditions, which are so inferior and set them up for imperialist domination. It's their fault!"
@ThoughXperiment Жыл бұрын
Exactly! The industry is by design like that. Is not fans putting insane expectations on idols, is about companion SELLING to fans dolls like idols to explote the insane expectations they say to fans is NECESSARY to have. So, how's the culprit?
@meagain7669 Жыл бұрын
Finally a video on asian racism in the kpop community it's sooooo normalized talking shit on the korean community & culture ect calling it backward too old like if koreans need to "adapt" to the western ideas of a civilization forcefully or the world won't empathize with them cause to them all good comes from western culture all bad is from the old cultures it's a black & white mindset
@sal336 Жыл бұрын
This is a very important video and I find it very admirable that you are addressing this, seeing that you already got "push back" by viewers for..."controversial statements" (that are not actually controversial at all but rather common sense smh), so I hope you feel proud and supported!!! I hope all of the white stans that think they know about korean culture & etiquette and feel this sense of authority over idols watch this video, reflect on their actions and change their ways. I always found this behavior of fans weird but i never considered the racial roots, so this video is very eye-opening. THANK YOU JUICE ♥ genuinely, a great video
@Boonies Жыл бұрын
I’ve always wanted to speak about this or mention it somehow but I’m not Asian, I’m African & Arab so not my place to say much… this is a really interesting and eye opening topic that everyone should realise and stop with their fetishisation and treating idols like Pokémon cards even when the industry kind of makes them look like non human or whatever.
@hayley4032 Жыл бұрын
I think it's okay to speak for yourself but not over Asians, the problem comes in when foreign fans say that we're wrong based on their standards. Thank you for not speaking over us though, I really appreciate it
@victjsofjsmdngor Жыл бұрын
thank you for saying this, it’s reassuring to see the amount of people on our side
@richelleangelaguerra5440 Жыл бұрын
But aren’t Arabs, Asian?
@xanmion Жыл бұрын
Well than you are part Asian
@speaknowstan13 Жыл бұрын
isn't Arab asia tho?
@lolisapiensa3134 Жыл бұрын
I disagree a lot with your opinions on music, since we have different tastes, but I really appreciate this video. I'm a big advocate for standing up for yourself and I'm happy to see you sharing your thoughts and opinions on this heavy topic that I imagine must be hard for you to talk about. Thank you for this, another great video from you!
@TheMusicBoxMashups Жыл бұрын
Ditto
@_TinyHyeju_ Жыл бұрын
This video popping up after I saw a tik tok of the same topic, the in it girl was talking about how some ppl on her korean exchange trip were being very inappropriate and sexualizing/infantilizing everyday korean citizens. It makes me really sad the way ppl like, mostly koreaboos, don’t see anything wrong with their behavior and completely disregard an entire culture and race of ppl. Treating them like a toy they can mold to their will
@shanr3338 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video. As an Asian myself who grew up in East Asia, I would like to add an issue that has bothered me. It can be sensitive, but I would stop being obedient and voice my personal opinion. The issue is around "white washing". I know it is a tradition that many Asian people think pale skin is attractive, so many Asian people, not just idols, like to use cosmetics and filters to make their skin look brighter and more pale, either in real life or in photos. I personally think it has nothing to do with wanting to look like a White/Caucasian person. It is just a beauty standard long existing even before Asian people became aware of the existence of White/Caucasian people. It appears to me that people outside of Asia are imposing Western perspectives on Asians and assuming Asians should take on a specific skin color. In fact, people's skin color can vary and they can manage their skin color in many ways. I know a lot of issues occur with skin color-based discrimination around the world, but Asian countries all have their unique histories and values that can be somewhat independent from what happened in the West. I personally don't pursue or favor specific skin colors, and don't think it should be, but I understand where many Asian people are coming from regarding this preference, and they should not be judged in a western context. If I am not aware of any specific issuea around this topic, I am open to discussion.
@seokjin3000 Жыл бұрын
Westerners say that the beauty standard is an attempt to look "white" because 1) the white Westerners want to flatter themselves and frame indigenous cultural traditions as inferior and revolving around them, and 2) because the nonwhite Westerners want to scold Asians for their (nonwhite Westerners') own insecurities in relation to white Westerners, when those same insecurities aren't actually at play in Asia.
@sillyhermy Жыл бұрын
Skin color-based discrimination happen around the world which doesn't exclude Asia. Certain Asian countires has it worst than others. One of many issues that comes with the topic of 'White Washing' is going so far to change your skin color through harmful or illegal means by using skin bleaching products. Skin bleching sadly has larger sells in Asia. These products can produce skin cancer or skin problems that produce opposite desired effects. These nasty products are stuff I seen fair and darker tone family members used.
@l8terivy Жыл бұрын
It has its roots in classism, not internalized racism like many assume.
@pocketsizedseev Жыл бұрын
I tend to avoid western kpop stans in genera because its obvious that a lot of the times our views dont align (im a south east asian native)
@insomnia5050 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, I came across this at the same time I was analyzing a hugely upvoted comment on a related topic. The comment stated as a given, undeniable fact that 99% OF IDOLS HAVE HAD PLASTIC SURGERY, and if you didn't believe that you were completely delusional. It had over 1k likes. No, that's not a fact or real statistic, you pulled that out of nowhere and are trying to gaslight possible dissenters. Yes plastic surgery rates are higher in S. Korea as a whole, and celebrities rates will always be higher than the general public. But to suggest everyone you see in an idol group has had work done, 99 out of 100. It reeks of a mindset that no one in that country can possibly be a natural beauty. Stop synthesizing narratives based on clickbait pseudo-journalism like "The Dark Sid of KPOP!" and your own (cultural) biases.
@worshipthecomedygodseoeunk4010 Жыл бұрын
thank you for stating this because i have been driving this point for a decade now and no one listens to me hmm i wonder if its because im a korean female its literally to a point where i get soooooo self conscious even at kpop concerts because i almost feel like kpop fans actually believe that there are no naturally beautiful koreans. i always worry "what if im not pretty or asian enough because i dont look like a kpop idol". non korean fans dont realize that there are international fans who are korean too. so when they say that, it really makes me upset. its like i developed body dysmorphia because koreans are supposedly only pretty with ps
@insomnia5050 Жыл бұрын
@@worshipthecomedygodseoeunk4010 People need comforting explanations for things that can be potentially threatening to their ego. I see it when there's always this bogey man like "toxic knetz" as if they're any more toxic or harmful than other parts of the world. Hell, even in the realm of K-media, international fans were truly disgusting when it came to Somin from Running Man. They build up these idols, but then balance it out by cutting them or Korea down in subtle ways.
@shinyuta Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video! :) Talking about generalizations. As a japanese american I have seen a lot of ignorant generalizations online and it is very stupid and hurtful (if you know history, then you can guess the things these people typically say). The justifications that people tend to use is something along the lines of "its history" or "I'm just being honest" and it is incredibly stupid. Racisim is Racism, there is no justification of racism ever, doesn't matter who you are or who they are.
@jermuhh3359 Жыл бұрын
I think this was a great video and really loved focus on historical racism and how it translates to modern treatment of different minorities, because a lot of the behavior are often learnt, that needs to be unlearned, which requires it to be discussed. And with the internet participating in or enjoying something with a distinctly different culture means, that there is a need for people to speak on how to do it respectfully to people who are part of that culture or understand the societal norms of where that media is from. Especially with the continuous arguments about idols culturally appropriating (sometimes valid concerns, sometimes clearly just trying to come for someone with 0 compassion) western fans need to also understand how they should be culturally sensitive as well, it's a two-way street. It was a great and educational video! And really off-topic, I love your brows.
@fogel5672 Жыл бұрын
I am a white male and listen to Kpop because it makes me happy. I cant and probably will never understand why fandoms or some people just hate on each other (I actually work in law enforcement against "online hatecrime"). Thats why i kinda steer away from Kpop Twitter/ TikTok and watch only a few KTubers who i feel speak against these Things, rather than fueling them. Also Soyeon is my Ult-Bias basically since i started listening to Kpop Skill- and personalitywise.
@gayperp Жыл бұрын
I feel like here is a good place to put this. I haven’t been an Idle fan long but I’ve noticed a bunch of people say that Shuhua is rude or mean to her fans just because she sets healthy boundaries with them. I’ve also seen people joking online about how Soyeon pronounces English words.
@user-ug9ly2fd7d Жыл бұрын
Throwback to that one time at a kpop concert where a girl kept calling 2 chinese girls "ching chong" because they were allegedly pushing people. At the same time she kept talking about how excited she was to see the kpop performer. Bruh.
@gooliish Жыл бұрын
thank you for talking about this. i’m not asian (mixed black/white) but i’ve been running myself in circles on twitter seeing how people talk about and treat these idols and not knowing what to say.
@careen5859 Жыл бұрын
First, I always thought you were black. I'm East African and honestly it's always wild for me to see how westerners (both black and white) interact with Easterners (Asians and middle East). The prejudice, racism and generalisations.
@danidkg4071 Жыл бұрын
the fetishisation and stereotyping of idols, especially with men, is in my opinion a big reason why a lot of misogyny from male idols often goes unchecked. some do get called out by fans, but since idols have to show a certain image, fans cling to that instead of realising that they don't know their idols at all. i'm not saying that every male idol is a misogynist, definitely not, but it is good to remember that kpop idols are real people with thoughts and feelings, some of which might not be so great. i remember when there was some drama concerning felix from stray kids, people were saying he was posting inappropriate messages to fans on this app that allows fans to talk to idols and that he was taking advantage of fans. the reality was that the messages were pretty tame and maybe mildly suggestive, but what concerned me was the response to this. SO MANY FANS immediately defended felix by saying that he was innocent, that he could never do something like that, that he's the sweetest person in the world etc etc. and like, i get wanting to defend your idol when they get criticism for something and liking their personality, but you can't know idols that well. he seems like a good guy, but at the end of the day, i have NO idea what kind of person he is and it's wrong for me to assume that he's some innocent baby.
@sammitchell7552 Жыл бұрын
as a white kpop stan, it's so interesting to hear this perspective! i know that i have NEVER thought of it in this way and now i realize just how often your points happen in the kpop community. this is one of those videos that will stick with me every time im interacting with other kpop stans, no matter what their race is. thank you so much for sharing your personal experiences and bringing a new perspective to racism in kpop :)
@lania0637 Жыл бұрын
White person here! Amazing video, thank you for your research and thoughts! Some of the facts mentioned are also the reason why I don‘t spend too much time on stan twitter anymore. The degree to which some idols are seen as something to own, as babys to be protected or as blank slates that you can project all your own wishes upon makes me very uncomfortable, since I rarely see it being done in western media and it‘s weirding me out.
@ibrremote Жыл бұрын
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👍🏼
@erikan.n8409 Жыл бұрын
I'm not Asian, but I've seen the things you mention, and when it comes to the language part I understand it, because usamericans tend to use words in Spanish as jokes and sexualise them (again, different issues but same general idea) like mami and papi, and I hate that so much, so I get why saying words in Korean as a joke is offensive. Also the amount of racism you see whenever an anti criticises an idol is wild. Anyways thank you for making this video
@dubblebubbletoilandtrouble6646 Жыл бұрын
Not 100% related to your comment but I adore your use of "usamericans", since we don't have an English equivalent of "estadounidense"! I'm learning Spanish and I've come to wish that we had a better term than "American" haha
@corimoon Жыл бұрын
I'm latina and I understand hating the use of the words mami and papi like that because I do too (it's weird!) But that's not a us American thing it's a cultural thing. Some Latin Americans use the word like that. Some use it to call their parents and some use it when talking to kids or someone dear to them. Like my mom calls my sister and me that, kind of like the word sweetie or something like that.
@dubblebubbletoilandtrouble6646 Жыл бұрын
@@corimoon Kind of like how the word "daddy" has taken on sexual connotations recently?
@xy6227 Жыл бұрын
I`ve always felt this way when it comes to bullying- in Korea it is taken way more serious than in my white, western-european country ( and as far as I know in the States too) but still white people make it an issue what idol X has done in middle school as if they would care about it, when they were to find out one of their white friends had bullied someone in middle school, they wouldn`t care probably. I think it`s also because people don`t see idols as humans.
@elleciel2358 Жыл бұрын
I did start listening to Kpop because it 'sounded happy'. I am white and from a European country, and as a young teen I did first try out Kpop because I was tired of my emo music and of the American star system. Not once did I ever think this very 'polished' image played into the model minority stereotype, and damn it is indeed a bit chilling to ponder over - but it's a very good point.
@dore9312 Жыл бұрын
This is such a great video! I'm black and live in Europe so I've always been aware of racism towards minorities. But the racism towards asians that I've seen is a bit different to what you've explained in this video. I feel like I've learned a lot watching this and have a lot to learn still. I've seen fans trying to hold their favourite idols accountable in fancalls and I always thought it was weird to turn what could have been a fun conversation into a fan scolding the idol as if they owe us anything. But I didn't realise it was a form of racism until now. Thank you so much for making this video
@imani7979 Жыл бұрын
thank you for this very thought-provoking and well-written deep-dive into racism against asian people in kpop, it's a serious issue that SHOULD be spoken about more in the kpop community, preferably lead by asian voices. i love your channel a lot so it's saddening to hear that people have begun to treat you in a more disrespectful manner now that your identity has been revealed. also fun fact i think i might've been one of the few people who thought you were black before your face reveal lmao. i hope you're never forced to be in a position where a certain part of your fanbase bullies you into taking down a video just because it offends them, your video was valid and your feelings on said subject matter were and continue to be valid. i wish you the best and thank you again for sharing your thoughts and opinions on an issue that is rarely given the attention it deserves.
@helenovsk Жыл бұрын
Wow, it makes so much sense that western kpop stans have this idea of possession towards idols because of the model minority stereotypes. I always thought it was because of the idea of "perfect beings" that the idol culture itself created and spread (and, of course, because of fetishiz4tion, but I never related one thing to another until now). This video covers such important topics, I hope it goes viral and people truly open their minds to learn
@chroniclesofalivingdeadgirl Жыл бұрын
These international fans annoy the shit out of me. Especially the ones from the west. They have no business commenting about other nation's culture and social norms. Especially about military enlistments.
@numnum118 Жыл бұрын
This was a well thought out video and I appreciate you taking time out to do this. I really commend you for addressing this issue because it's been bothering me after seeing tweets about certain groups being part of the "good" Asians and the xenophobic that exists in the Kpop community. I think it really started to show in 2018 and just exploded in 2020/2021
@synthiandrakon Жыл бұрын
I made a comment about something tangential to this the other day. The idea that international fans have a very narrow and honestly very conservative perception of Korean culture and how Koreans should behave, and how it leads to international fans getting upset over things no one should care about because they have a very weird idea of how idols are supposed to be.
@clegs8356 Жыл бұрын
you're absolutely right, and this vid is well done! it's so frustrating how prevalent white supremacist ideals are still, and yet so under-acknowledged. im white, and im really sorry you had to experience that attitude shift after revealing your identity. also, in addition to holding asian idols to different standards, it's disturbing how a lot of western fans treat their idols in very infantilizing or even fetishistic ways... like, saying your idol looks cute & tiny when they're literally behaving cutely is fine, but when they stretch that to mean "omg look they're sooo innocent and have done nothing wrong ever and they don't know any better and im sure they've never dated anyone and-....." that's incredibly dangerous and dehumanizing. while sure, this behaviour is common in a lot of parasocial relationships (and it's still wrong then, too) regardless of ethnicity, it just seems way more prevalent and vicious with asian idols. idols aren't our pets, or besties, or toys, or significant others. and hey, i love my idols! i think they're all insanely talented, and funny, and cute, and sweet, etc!! but they're just people. and they're people we will NEVER actually KNOW. we only know a tiny side of them, and it's great to enjoy that side, but we cant make claims about them as whole people - and we CERTAINLY aren't entitled to anything more than what they wish to share with us. we HAVE to work on treating them with the respect they deserve. ...sorry to ramble, but great vid! subscribed! have a lovely week 💜💕
@mitzy8182 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video. I'm not asian but I am a poc and I appreciate what other poc have to share. When you explained the pannchoa-naver situation especifically it helped me understand why a lot of international kpop fans have this conception of knetizens being awful and cruel, it's something I've probably been guilty of too. However, some take it too far and believe international fandoms are better when they can be the same or worse; they look at korean society's issues from outside (and forget our western society struggles with social problems too) and use them to allow themselves to feel superior and look down on domestic fans and even insult them.
@alo2631 Жыл бұрын
something I didn't realize I was consuming where the typical "kpop news" channels, and mainly the way they cite the supposed Korean general public opinions (contrasting the international fans). They always say that their opinions are harsher and I just assumed it was true without knowing they where showing comments from anonymous websites. If in my regular life I don't take comments from 4chan as a source of knowledge that the general public shares, why should I assume that there's any homogeneous "Korean public opinion" around idols and kpop? I guess what I'm trying to say is that this video helped me reflect on the importance of sources, even if it's about something I don't consider as deep, like kpop. That's the way biases work, we assume things are true without even checking, and the language barriers certainly don't help. I really value your content, and also appreciate this video and perspective 💜 (btw if there's spelling mistakes or something it's because English is not my first language)
@bangsihyukswife4748 Жыл бұрын
as the "quiet, smart, nice, polite, sweet" asian kid in class i do see people thinking that i'm an easy target just because i don't want to deal with their bs. stuff like "oh i thought you were-" the moment i make a snarky comment to my friends or being hit with an eraser and them laughing it off knowing i won't do anything about it. were seen as unthreatening to them and it's an odd but very common theme that shouldn't exist
@mina_venus Жыл бұрын
thank you for working so hard on this video! i can tell you put a lot of work into it and it turned out amazing! i really admire you for opening up about your experiences and for telling your audience your thoughts about it. thank you also for educating me and other people on this topic. this is a really great and memorable video!
@smolmaae7947 Жыл бұрын
I feel like I’m general, people have unrealistic expectations of idols hence why I find cancel culture dumb because it teaches absolutely nothing . For example, if I hear about some stuff an idol did in the past when they were young like stealing, underage drinking or smoking, bad behavior (depending on what’s said more like attitude etc) etc, I don’t immediately cancel them because this is ignorance of the past and it’s clear it’s brought up to hurt them, now the important thought that always crosses my mind is are they still doing it or acting like that, have they changed since then etc. But the moment something scandalous comes out people immediately cancel them without knowing the whole truth or looking at situations with a open mind
@xryan_5726 Жыл бұрын
really loved this type of video essay content from you! it was very insightful. good job juice!
@g3ven59 Жыл бұрын
As an asian and a longtime kpop stan, I was targeted mostly by black stans, especially about issues about our authentic culture and how we should catch up to what westerners expect of us, what priorities we have set and how the norm (which is the west) expects us to act and shut up about it. In the many years of being a fan, it was always fascinating to me how some minorities with a well known discrimination on a global scale and a bigger platform to speak up about their issues harass us and would drag out our name while they hop on the train to silence us when we speak up about these kinds of racism. A lot of us get pushed aside when speaking about the hate we receive, saying we're whining and how we are part of the problem. I for one am very tired and hope both white stans and minorities check themselves and not paint the racism issue in one single color.
@The-wz6qy Жыл бұрын
ahh i feel like youre gonna get hate for this comment but i agree with you. It's so crazy to me that our problems are seen as something that's "less important" and how completely dismissive people can be when it comes to asian culture. It's almost like our issues are not worth talking about. The part where you said we're expected to catch up to westerner's expectations of us is so true especially as a person who's asian and lives in an asian country. They will never bother putting themselves in our shoes. To them, we have always been considered "inferior" and should just suck it up and meet whatever expectations they have of us.
@diphylleiagrayi1032 Жыл бұрын
As someone who is half black, I'm sorry you go through that. It gets really annoying how some minorities expect you to speak or know their issue and when you try to speak on yours they tear it down and say their issue is harder. Like it's not a competition.
@seokjin3000 Жыл бұрын
It's Western entitlement. It's an imperialist attitude that Westerners of all races now hold towards Asians. Imposing their idea of social justice is the new "let's send the missionaries and convert them, and then we can take over" imperialist tool.
@jiayiisconfused3103 Жыл бұрын
EXACTLY!!! im sorry if i word this in a really offensive way, genuinely, but it's as if black stans just constantly want to weaponize the racism they face to invalidate us asians and the issues we face as another minority. it pisses me the hell off and it really just does not make any sense.
@Pooky1991 Жыл бұрын
Not justifying anything, but part of that has to do with a combination how much of hiphop culture is utilized by kpop and post-slavery issues of racism and conforming to mainstream society to put it simply (It would take a whole paper explaining western racial issues between African Americans and white people and the cultural issues that arose). Other than that no one should be dismissing another groups problems.
@mi6Chii Жыл бұрын
I guess their reaction to trivialize your concerns comes from a place of not wanting to feel guilty/bad and in order not to have to address their behavior they lash out on the messenger and try to make the one feeling uncomfy seem unreasonable/"too sensitive"
@Genruin Жыл бұрын
Great video, Juice!! I just finished it and this was a really well written video with really good points. I don’t know if this is a one time thing or if you maybe plan to make more essay style videos in the future, but either way I’ll be looking forward to your content in the future as always!
@joaoguedes9303 Жыл бұрын
the video was amazing! I resonated with a lot of things about dealing with white english speaking people you said since i'm black and latino but also caught myself revisiting my actions towards idols and asian people in general and you're totally right! thank you for making this
@abcdefg-tc8kn Жыл бұрын
As a European k-pop stan, I learned a lot from this video, so thank you! :)
@togamicchi6691 Жыл бұрын
Omg you're Filipino? :0 I am one as well and you're the first K-tuber I subscribed to after becoming a new Kpop fan so what a pleasant surprise :^) I'm glad you brought this topic up, especially the part about generalization and trolls spreading misinformation. These things can really screw over people's lives. I also always had gripes with some Westerners speaking over Asian voices when it comes to the latter's own cultures and societal issues 🤦♀️
@lerialazariuc5923 Жыл бұрын
I love your videos, keep going, you're doing great 👍
@faeriegraver Жыл бұрын
This video is really well done. I hope people listen and really take it on board. I have been well aware of the stereotypes discussed, but for some reason have not thought about them in all the different ways they can relate to K-pop. I'm glad have seen this, and I hope a lot of people do.
@seokjin3000 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this. I'm Korean-American and this is the one of the first explanations of the MM stereotype to actually make sense to and resonate with me.
@enhaworld Жыл бұрын
im really glad you made this video and chose to speak up about such a topic because i also notice how many non-asian people severely objectify asians and hold them to certain standards. i wish everyone could just be treated like people.
@tanah852 Жыл бұрын
👏👏👏👏👏 I’m not even finished with the video yet but you deserve a round of applause for this. I am a non-Asian western K-pop fan but I have been saying this for years. Western fans have a double standard when it comes to idols. They condem and cancel idols for the slightest mistake or misconception that if a western artist did the same exact thing they wouldn’t even blink an eye. You are 100% right on the money with this.
@HP-lq2wv Жыл бұрын
I havent watched the video YET but i feel like commenting this when i see the title of the vid (Will edit the comment later if it's not appropriate for the vid): I notice how stan twt (Western stans) will take their time to say they wanna EDUCATE idols BASED ON THEIR QUALITIES and THEIR CULTURES but when Asian fans or Korean fans speak up their perspective and how Asian culture (or to be specific, Korean culture) perceive that thing, those Western stans will brush it off IMMEDIATELY and treat it like only their Western standards are RIGHT and should be followed by EVERYONE. It pisses me off as an Asian
@liaddractive Жыл бұрын
not me reading the transcript because I’m curious abt the racism
@rubyaddison5446 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for having the confidence to express your thoughts and feelings about this issue 💕 because it must have been hard to talk about this and it also upsets me how racism towards Asians especially east Asians isn’t always taken as seriously just because they’re discrimination isn’t as bad as individuals like me who are black.
@Weeping-Angel Жыл бұрын
What you said resonated so much with that I nearly cried. You said so many things I wanted to say or convey when I am unable to do so. You also answered a lot of questions I have been been subconsciously thinking and feeling. As an Asian American, I have felt like I have been getting more troll comments and unnecessary negative questions on my comments when I voice my personal opinion recently. I couldn’t justify why it was happening but this video answered a lot.
@davidk6269 Жыл бұрын
I really appreciated your heartfelt commentary. Your comments were thought-provoking and I am glad that you had the courage to speak your mind on a topic that is clearly very important to you and others. Well done!
@JoltiksPartyxo Жыл бұрын
There are so many ways I've wanted to articulate your thoughts into my own words on this topic as an asian woman. Thank you so much for making this video!
@mina-nanana Жыл бұрын
thank you so much for this video. you said everything so well and it was incredibly informative! i hope a lot of people will acknowledge their behavior and learn from this video btw sorry if this sounds weird, english isn‘t my first language and i sometimes have issues with expressing what i want to say with the correct words
@bunbungabriel Жыл бұрын
Never expected to be this early 😳 Haven't fully watched yet but can already tell is going to be an important one Edit: finished watching Great commentary, it was especially insightful when you talked about your experiences with your channel I still remember that video and thought you were very just in your complaints about korean words being used in a joking manner, so I'm quite sad that you felt pressured into taking it down but I can understand how overwhelming all the negativity must have been
@perfectpmh1020 Жыл бұрын
The second topic you brought up resonated with me a lot. I am from my nationality a western kpop stan however spend most of my 10 year kpop fanlife actively in korea among majorily korean fandoms with very little foreigner. In a way I was always a bit in between as i didnt fully feel the things like koreans would but also not at all like fellow international or western fans would. However being among koreans most of the time gave me insight to know better hearing the typical accusations of western fans how all koreans are stalkers who dont want their idol to date when in fact there just as many obsessed foreign fans as there are koreans and you find very diverse opinions in every country, which makes is impossible to say 'korean always think like this..' As you said sources like pann choa are catering of the mindset which is only spread by koreaboo and allkpop as well now in the youtube sphere by kpop content farm accounts.
@Tattoosandapples Жыл бұрын
Have a lot of respect for you as a perosn and I do apreciate as soemone from America you explaining the different platforms from Korea i didnt realize some of that stuff and it makes sense
@our_honeymoon712 Жыл бұрын
thank you for speaking about this and doing such an amazing job explaining everything! this topic is definitely not talked about enough! loved the video so much!
@minhyuklees1bebe902 Жыл бұрын
now this is a discussion we need to have!! thank you so much for this video fellow kababayan!
@iBIackieChan Жыл бұрын
I’ve come across your channel in passing but I’m so glad that I discovered this video today. It makes me proud to see you stand up for yourself and your community. Your message is heard loud and clear. Keep it up, you’re doing an amazing job!
@quinn4762 Жыл бұрын
this was a really insightful video, i’ve never seen things this way. i’m really grateful that you made this video.
@creekaura Жыл бұрын
thank you for making this! this was very enlightening and gave me a lot to think about.
@suckmyartauds Жыл бұрын
This cleared up so much for me. I've always been baffled by some of the wild fan behavior I've seen, but I feel like racism and cherry-picking explains A LOT.
@kaydunton9303 Жыл бұрын
My family is anti kpop and makes fun of kpop. Depending on the member of the family Their complaints are: "The men don't look masculine enough, the women are too thin, they all look the same, the girls look like they are 12, it's manufactured music," etc. But, I'm surprised on how they feel so driven to complain about their appearance so much.
@missmaisiemooster Жыл бұрын
such a good video to help people understand the racism within k-pop. i never thought about 'bad attitude' scandals in the way u described it but now i completely understand
@pearllee Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video. As someone who is half-Asian, I really appreciate the time you took to speak on this issue that is, honestly, not talked about enough in the kpop community. Cultural differences are bound to happen but, non-Asian fans should be mindful and more respectful towards not only kpop idols but also asian fans.
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