Karl, every set back has a better comeback! Keep your head up wells can be tricky.

Gitter done Karl, yes my daddy showed me years ago that if you place a check valve under the pitcher pump it will allow the pump to draw water at a deeper depth. Even the local well driller told him it wouldn't work, until he came and watched my daddy do it, he was amazed!!! Thank you for the video and Lord Bless Yall.

I’m glad you shared this video. We literally all learned something. Thank you for being real and not sugar coating things. 🇺🇸

I have seen MANY video's and NEVER has a video been more educational for me - *THANK YOU VERY MUCH KARL!!!!!*

Glad you decided to show this video. Yes lots of valuable info! Driving a sandpoint well. good luck.

Much respect to you. I'm looking at buying land for a cabin and this kind of video is so helpful to me!

Wow, I learned greatly! I commend you for posting this. I appreciate the reality check in prep for I’m getting one installed. Thank you.

I love this video. All the video I watched so fare gave me the impression that this work every time. Thanks for sharing this experience.

Thanks for sharing your experience.You have saved others from having the same problems.

Driving that sand point that way is just good backwoods logic Thanks for sharing Karl, I picked up a few different tricks in this video. I know you will hit water. Another game changer for your camp. Have a great week buddy!

It's good that you posted the video to show everyone that there is the risk of a set-up. Not a failure, just a set-back. Take care!

Thank you, Karl ,for showing me how a sand point looks. I helped my father drive one for our house but I was about 17 years old and had no understanding of the whole process. He has now passed, and I have the home. Thank you for the explanation.

Oh, man. Praying for a good outcome. Very good video with a lot of great information

My creative neighbor welded a sledge head on the top of a post pounder and that extra weight really makes a different. I love that you have found an even easier for pounding in your sand point!! Thanks.

Genius, i have seen many vids of this kinda well being installed other than having a post driver on some heavy equipment this is by far the next better option.

One time I had a 1. 1/4 ....30 in point. Coupled to a 48 in pipe, thought I had It tightened enough while smashing it down the vibration disconnected the point. You know the pain trying to pull up the buried point! You live and learn 🙃😉 love your videos

Simply but excellent idea Many thanks

Hope it works out Karl ! With any luck you’ve shaken things up enough by using the jackhammer that the water finds that standpoint. Fingers crossed and looking forward to the follow up video. Take care

Great video thank you for sharing your wisdom

It seems that everyone has good days and bad days when doing projects. I think it is important to show the failures as well as the success, as they are both learning experiences. Good video regardless. Thanks for sharing.

Fifty seven years ago, my father and I did the same thing using a Ponjur self-contained jack hammer. We had a special made adapter. I stood in the bucket of our loader and drove the point down as he lowered the bucket. Add another pipe, raise the bucket, and I would drive again. It worked very well. We did it about 5 times as an initial water source when building houses. Good Luck, Rick

Awesome video thanks for sharing. Stay well and safe out there.

Best sandpoint well video I have seen.

GREAT VIDEO!! A jackhammer IS the way to go. Talk about a "Duh" moment, I have driven seven sprinkler wells and wished I saw/thought of this before the first well. Fortunately, the water table is only 13-15' and I'm driving through sand. I also used galvanized pipe and similar well point. However, while occasionally "snugging" it to keep the joints tight I broke a fitting... not happy as I could not retrieve the point and some pipe. I switched to solid core PVC pipe and a PVC point for the next six wells and it worked great plus A LOT CHEAPER. I used an old time auger type post hole digger to dig down and make sure there was water within 25' of the surface. It was a lot faster than driving to get the point to the water and a lot less work than using a hand post driver to get the point to final depth of 25-30'. Again, GREAT VID! Thanks for posting.

I liked your idea, never thought of it. Some other ways are if you access to supply of water or a tank you can haul water you can use water pressure and blow a PVC 2" pipe inyo modt soils that you can use your method. The other is auger a whole and then install your point. You can buy self jetting points that use water pressure for installation. With either jetting with water pressure or using an auger you can see the ground composition from the material that comes up using water pressure or from the auger. Using this information you can determine the best depth for the point. If the ground water level is high enough for you pump you can ofter better locations that are deeper. I have installed points at a depth of 60' that produce much higher flow rates that higher locations. We needed water for irrigation and with 10 points we had 250 GPM. It doesn't take a lot of pressure to jet in sand. Often if you hit a rock you can blow material away so the rock will move if it is not to big. Contractors use wellpoints to dewater so they can dig below the water table using a header system to connect the points to the pump. It can vary in length from 100' to 50' feet depending on the flow rate. I have seen flow rates from 75 GPM high to as low as 2 GPM to dewater the soil. David Muhs

Here in SD we use a crowbar to witch for water, by balancing it in your hand. When you come to underground water vain the front of the bar will start pointing down. If you stay there it will pump up and down. Each pump is 1 gallon of water. Then turn 90° and the bar will swing back and forth sideways. Each full swing is 10 ft to water. For example 10 swings is 100 ft to water.

I put the well in on my place by hand, here in north central Florida you have to get down about 110 to 150 ft deep,the first one I done was with 2 (2x12x16 ) ft board made a tower over the pipe put a pully at the top eye hook screw and the heaviest oak log i could lift and for 8 hrs a day for a week I drove that pipe 132' through clay,limerock finally hit the spring,the one I done for my daughter and her man I rented a skid steer with a post driver it only took 4 hrs to go 220'

Awesome. I think I’ll have better luck with water where I’m going to do mine. Thanks for the tips

That is a fast way to get it done, I just don't have a jack hammer. I am considering a Harbor freight mud pump and hydro drill my next well I install. But your method looks easier and perhaps renting a jack hamer would be the way to go.

Wow Karl that looks like the best way to drive a sand point I've ever seen.

That definitely went down fast! Man I could tell you some stories of the good times I’ve had trying to drive a well! 7 times and still nothing!

Growing up i drove several sandpoints using a jack hammer. Nothing like standing in tractor bucket with jackhammer. They actually rent bits specifically for driving pipes such as sand points. Also the pipe couplers are sold as standard and thicker drive couplers. With driving sand points use drive couplers. Also if water table is 25 feet you can go deeper and it still will pump. Hell ive had points hit crap water at 15 feet and perfect water after driving it 45. Also most sand points are 3-4 feet. Some have an unscrewable tip so you can couple 2-3 together and have 6-12 feet of screen especially if your having clogging issues. Just a few tips for you guys.

I came across this from a web search on sand point well and I appreciate your work and effort that went into it, though the bit broke.

I love it! Thank you!

Karl have to say that's a great was of doing it . To bad it broke off but i did want to see a close up of it , nice job on the part. hope all works out and you hit water.

Very inspiring video! I know you didn't succeed this time, but I'm sure you will! This helps me with a cabin I'm trying to get a pump on, so thanks for the ideas! I'm going to thumb up and subscribe to help your channel! Happy New Year!

Great job Karl. Can you do a video or post a message of the names and materials required to do a well like yours. I am planning on installing 2 to 3 of these wells. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. God Bless you and your family.

Thanks for posting and the whole thing. As a mechanical designer, the one thing that came to mind about the tool breakage is carbonizarion at the weld. If there is hardened material welded, there is essentially a brittlization at or near weld because the carbon has been drawn to a certain area.

Great job in Las Vegas you would need to get to about 1500 to 2000 feet to get any good water and it still would not taste well, love your channel! Best of luck.

When welding a hard material to a soft material, you must pre-heat the material, and wrap it in a fiberglass blanket or cover with sand to cool slowly for the weld to stand up to the application you are using it for. Remember pre-heating using temperature sticks so you reach the welding requirements outlined in references tables. I hope this helps you in future projects.

The jackhammer makes perfect sense!....Now, go get a patent on the coupling you made and reap the financial benefits of your hard work;

Neat trick. Karls are kool! Cheers from FL.

Great idea. Looked easier than the sledge hammer method. Thanks for the video.

EXCELLENT video, and really a fantastic way to drive those lengths home! Fingers are crossed for you sir🤞 Can't wait to see water coming out of that pump👍✌

Like your videos. The quality of the video was 100% except it seemed the audio was all over the place. Can't wait for the next Video. Thank you for the time you take for this awesome content.

Man! That jackhammer is so fast! I would love to have that setup to put in my well!

Karl you can extend a sand point to 50 feet down. You need to make a slight change. You will have to install a foot valve at the top of the sand point and a check valve at the base of your pitcher pump. If you are using a standard pump you will have to install the check valve at the discharge of the pump. It will take you a longer time to prime it to get the well pipe full of water and to get the air out. It will work I have done it before in a pitch.

As an electrician I have used this same method to drive 10ft. ground rods for years. Works great 👍

Thank you mate from down here in Oz

You sure did well and showed the ways to do it..

Still a great video, thanks for sharing your ideas.

Many years ago I drove one in the UP of MI. Went down 35 feet before we hit water, but it sought a level in the pipe close to ground level. Still using it 40 some years later. Easiest priming hand pump ya ever saw. We did that one with a 60 pound home-made hand pounder.

mistakes are a learning curve weld your driver back together with low hydrogen rod (7016/24)it will last for a while the welds work harden and get brittle you can anneal them by throwing them in a fire and getting them red hot, let it cool slowly, you can repeat the repair process a few times, you can also get gasoline powered drivers, I use both to drive 2 inch fence posts, thanks for the clip keep out of the city nothing beats living bush I have been living off grid for 50 years

Wow! That worked great. Too bad that your homemade bit broke. I hope that you hit water. Friday after work my wife and I went to Townsend WI to pick up a small boat. On our way home we ate at Paur Haus Bar & Grill in Lakewood on Hwy 32. I told my wife that I'm not sure what route that you take to get to your cabin but it would have been pretty cool if we seen you. Take care and have a great week.

Thanks for sharing this video I love the jack hammer. Sorry that you did not hit water.

The rental stores in our area have that well driving tool for the jackhammer. It's a little bit different than yours but they work great.

Damn the risk of getting on the ladder. That was a brilliant idea 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

Thx for the useful info boss!

Man I pray you hit water 💧 🙏! Good video Karl!!

Im glad you shared it,Im looking at doing similar as you are

Best one yet

You can buy an actual cupped bit for this! Just make sure the cup size and shank are right. Amazon has these as well as other tool places typically called post or stake driver bits. About $50-75 and they are solid. Commercial tent guys use this for big tents driving the stakes right into asphalt parking lots. That's where I got the idea from at least 6 or 7 tears ago. I bought the bit and have driven several points with it and loaned it out for several more. It works great!! A couple tips. Use good pipe dope and retighten pipe every couple feet or so. Also, if outside, work off the bed of a pickup. a lot safer than a ladder. I've done a lot of wellpoints and this is the way to go!

Love the jack hammer idea. So cool

Very cool enjoyed this

Genius I was thinking about a gas powered post driver but the jack hammer is definitely the way to go.

Thanks for sharing this

Dang I like this. I’m a professional tree climber. I’ve got some pretty tall pine trees I can double or triple tie-into (for stability, like a crane rigging bridal) so I don’t need a ladder! Tie-in HIGH and you can walk out further. I’ve got some good ideas, I might make a video out of this lol!

Good vedio, learned alot. I hope you hit water.

Awesome video.

You can also jackhammer it by putting pipe or rod down the center that is impacting directly on the back of the wellpoint head. That way you're not stressing the wellpoint exterior, pipes or couplings.

For sure brother. I used 60lb chipping hammer from local rental business. It worked great👌

Those jackhammer are the way to go . We've been using them for last 20 plus years.

Thanks for posting this and I really like this method (working smarter, not harder). Not sure if there was a follow up video, but given your issue with your homemade well driver bit, I am wondering if it is possible to use the extension you created and just drop a standard jackhammer bit into it and pound it down? Just sacrifice that coupler and extension. I have no experience in this but finding a well driver bit has been a challenge for me. Thanks!

Very informative video Karl, sorry that bit failed on you! Cant wait for part two. So your at about twenty? I bet you put a string down to test. Fingers crossed for you my friend! Thanks for the video!

I used my log splitter as a base and bolted at Derek on the back of it I use the hydraulics to drill and pound my wells . The soils in my area of Wisconsin were too tough. I have a couple of videos on my KZfaq channel. Static water level by the way is 33 ft deep here so I had to use a 2in casing and a deep well jet kit

use ear protection buddy :)

Never thought of using my elec. Jack hammer. Thanks

You can actually use the dowsing rods to determine the approximate depth of the water. They will respond to yes or no questions. Stand at the indicated spot and mentally or even out loud say is the water more than 5 feet deep? Continue this adding 5 feet at a time to the question until the rods respond. It may sound crazy but it works. If you want to go one step further, you can ask what GPM you can get. Use small increments like half a gallon a min. etc. until you get a response.

Fastest well point install I ever saw ,he pushed it down with a backhoe.

a sweatshirt it was 90 here in NY today hope there is water there for you nothing goes easy always a rock in the last 5 foot

​@karlsoffthegrid1378 I am not a welder, I work with welders, and I had a project for them to weld HSS to 1020 steel, if memory serves me right, I believe the welder used stainless steel rod. He pre heated the HSS and welded it. Try stainless rod and see how that works.

You can run a sandpoint as deep as you're able to pound it. The water level is the factor. If you're 60' down but your water table is only 20 feet down, you're only pulling it from that 20' level with the pump.

Good luck 👍🏼

It is not the total depth of the well but the water level in the well that needs to be 25 feet or less. I have driven a point 40 feet that pumped good. The water level was less than 25 feet.

Great job love your work can you explain how you made your setup bite and jack hammer i just started an off grind project and i hall water in i need this did you get an updated version done yet

Thanks bro.... JJ... from dirty Jersey next to filthy Philadelphia.....

Genius!

Question, are the couplings you're using to join the 5ft pipes all drive couplings or are you using drive couplings only on the short pipe with the hammer?

It is good to see real humans enduring real trials and being able to overcome! Praise the Lord!

Curious what permits or forms did you have to fill out to pound in a well? Do many places now have 30 pages of documents on putting in your own well.

Hoping for your opinion...I live high on a hill. There's some ledge here and there I believe. I have a artisan well that's 300 feet but want a back up. I have a section that's standing water in the spring but dry in summer. It does sit there after rain though. I wonder if I'd hit water in that section. I have very sandy soil in other places on my land but I think I'm closer to ledge in those areas. If I put a sand point in the area of the marshy area and I don't hit water I saw some people who were able to remove the sand point with a bumper jack and clean them and reinstall them. I wonder if that's possible so I can keep trying until I hit water instead of buying a new one each time.

Great job!! Thank you for sharing. How many feet down you had to go?? I have seen another video here on you-tube. They had to go down 60 feet.

Are you able to recover the pipe already driven? Did I catch that your pump was good for the 25’ but not for the 50’? What sizes pump/Gpm do you have? Just Curious

How do you know when you hit the water level area

This isn't about this video in particular but do you remember you were asking for ideas for the outhouse? I had recommended a KZfaq channel called Bramante brothers. They own an off grid wilderness lodge in Alaska. Anyhow, I just came across the video I think you/your wife would be really interested in. Go to their playlist and it's in season 1 episode 34 😁👍

Dont give up!

These Hiltis are incredible. Can go through 6” rocks

I'm using PVC to drive my hole. 45 feet down so far. Using pressure washer to push all the clay out. Hoping to get to the sand which is first aquafier

Don't give up,keep up til u get it

What do you put on the end of the first pipe to be driven? wouldn't it fill with dirt if there was no cap, and if there was a cap would it not work to pick water up?