LCS and LPL ROSTERMANIA / Knight to BLG / C9's NA super team

LCS and LPL ROSTERMANIA / Knight to BLG / C9's NA super team - Summoning Insight S6E44

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After touching on this year's rostermania in the LCK and LEC, this week Thorin and Monte turn their discussions to North America and Europe. With Cloud9's acquisition of Jojopyun, will they be the presumptive title favorites in the LCS? Over in China, Knight has announced his move to BLG, Weiwei signs with LNG, and OMG topside moves to NiP to play alongside Rookie. Riot finally steps in to takeover the LPL English broadcast as well, but it comes at the cost of downsizing the already meager casting crew on the league.
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Summoning Insight is the longest-running, most viewed League of Legends esports podcast in the world. Each week, hosts Christopher "MonteCristo" Mykles and Duncan "Thorin" Shields break down the most exciting matches from LEC, LCS, LCK, and LPL as well as interviewing professional players, coaches, casters, and journalists from around the world.
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0:00:00 - Intro
0:06:49 - Revisiting old Worlds games
0:17:42 - LPL Rostermania
0:51:57 - LCS Rostermania
1:26:10 - Lack of updates from Riot/Leagues
1:32:00 - LPL English broadcast
1:43:10 - Discord Subscriber questions
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@Jack-fh1qh 7 ай бұрын

monte and thorins ability to record a podcast immediately before a huge announcement that i’d love to hear them talk about is unmatched

@nofluffagain 7 ай бұрын

What was the announcement

@jairoabarca8969 7 ай бұрын

@@nofluffagain markz becomes lcs commissioner

@Strayed199 7 ай бұрын

@@jairoabarca8969 Oh, god... not that clown D:

@damiester1 7 ай бұрын

Fun rumour about Rookie. He joined NIP because their team's based in Shenzhen and could possibly get him a Macau/Hong Kong citizenship to escape military service. Apparently the NIP boss has some major pull in the government lol.

@nilvalade 7 ай бұрын

Do you have any source? I'm rly interested

@KlausTube99 7 ай бұрын

Always forgot that Rookie is Korean lol

@monado550 6 ай бұрын

My fav channel for unbiaised opinions on lol esport. Thank you guys for taking into the account the IRL aspects of lol esports, players are humans, with obligations, taxes, bills, and IRL goals. I need this type of information, I can get all the info on a player's form by watching them play, but the nitty gritty details that goes on behind the scenes is what I need. Thank you for helping me grasp the reality of esports, you guys are a big part of how I make money on betting.

@kurtmcfc1629 7 ай бұрын

Creme, Meiko and 369 going to TES is hype for me personally.

@szabel. 7 ай бұрын

Thorin completely based with his music taste 01:51:00 Monolith is my favorite track on that album. Outerspace, Legacy of Blood, and Violent by Design are great albums too, the beats are always refreshingly original even/especially in the older albums

@Cornincarnate 7 ай бұрын

I'm an ignorant pleb that doesn't know jack all about this kind of stuff, but is it worth losing the ~30k views the video had already to reupload these every time?

@Dardobul 7 ай бұрын

Im pretty sure the way SI works with sponsors external to KZfaq, it doesn't matter much. They can just aggregate the videos across the 2 videos.

@jimmybaker4821 7 ай бұрын

Could be be bad for the algorithm coz i watch the live on yt . So watchitme mitht be down idk if thats true tho

@josephhiggins1070 7 ай бұрын

Livestream engagement gives loads more reach in the algorithm than video engagement, and community page polls more so than that, unless its drastically changed since Spiffing Brit made his videos!

@Cornincarnate 7 ай бұрын

Sure, but the video this comment is on doesn't benefit from the engagement the live stream got at all. That video was removed and this one was reuploaded in its place.@@josephhiggins1070

@akaliislifeakaliislove5968 7 ай бұрын

I've seen Faker's pro view on that azir shuffle tho, on the 'today on the korean server' channel, is there really no way to watch them?

@laisensei6984 7 ай бұрын

On an alternative note, and from Riot's point of view, if they were to promote LPL to Western audiences during regular seasons, it would most certainly, for the very least, greatly reduce the already meager viewership of LCS to almost nonexistence since everyone will just give their attention to the more entertaining region(not that by not promoting the LPL region, LCS is somehow doing any better in viewers); it may also waver the LEC viewership a bit in same way.

@counterfighter4266 7 ай бұрын

Is the Factor Meals lfn50 discount code available for Canada?

@Majkyz1 7 ай бұрын

Does anybody know how is Thorin's chair called? Thanks!

@parth1739 7 ай бұрын

Your link for the factor link has an extra W in the "wwww." part so you cannot click it properly.

@lastfreenation 7 ай бұрын

Thanks! Fixed.

@uptobro 7 ай бұрын

I wish the 2019 Griffin roster would regather and give us 1 last run. Chovy and Viper are still elite players, Tarzan is solid, Doran and Lehends can play their roles, it'd be cool to see another run.

@redgiant970 7 ай бұрын

That Top Esports team just sounds fun as fuck to watch

@SenecaFTW 7 ай бұрын

31:31 Focus on the pendulum

@QIYICI 7 ай бұрын

BLG and TES looks top 2 team. And finally JKL will play with elite support even Meiko's last Summer performance was bad his ceiling is high.

@podefunder 7 ай бұрын

Think LNG are better if Weiwei can find synergy with Scout. TES has question marks at jg/sup (after Meiko's last split) and Creme should be much worse than Scout

@damiester1 7 ай бұрын

@@podefunderCreme has upside and Tian every once in a while outjungles everyone. Also, TES's major weakness last year was a lack of macro. Meiko's there for that.

@podefunder 7 ай бұрын

@@damiester1 Creme has upside but also a limited/weird champion pool, he should not be expected to be better than Scout of Knight. Tian is sometimes really good but he falls off hard in big moments (including recent playoffs!). Meiko was terrible in Summer, I think he'll probably return to form but that's a lot of if's on the roster

@cowboyevan 7 ай бұрын

Another season with 6 LPL teams that I wanna root for.

@Tornadoissick 7 ай бұрын

Another season 6 LPL teams that can win worlds XD XD XD.

@whiteflame24 7 ай бұрын

@@Tornadoissick and they will still all lose to T1 somehow

@damiester1 7 ай бұрын

@@Tornadoissick Isn't it crazy how every LCK team got beaten by LPL in 2023? KT lost to BLG, JDG and LNG. Gen-G got destroyed twice by BLG. T1 lost to BLG as well. D Plus couldn't even beat G2 lol.

@Tornadoissick 7 ай бұрын

Neither could WBG btw XD. Also BLG lost a game to G2 are they the same level as D+. Isnt it crazy that T1 went 11-1 vs the region with the top 6 teams in the world for the last 6 years or how LPL the best region has won 1 worlds in the last 4. T1 is 19-2 vs LPL in the last 2 worlds haha.@@damiester1

@watever9162 7 ай бұрын

@@damiester1lol T1 destroy top lpl one by one . Idk how you're still dreaming this very moment.

@checkmate1860 7 ай бұрын

Thorin reference to Model UN made me laugh so hard and I am a model UN veteran

@Cashmoneez 7 ай бұрын

What’s crazy is it the worlds finals really was two lpl teams and t1 the most popular team didn’t win people would be calling this worlds average since they never promote lpl to western audiences. Riot got mad bailed out by t1 winning

@laisensei6984 7 ай бұрын

@Strayed199 7 ай бұрын

Liquid Steve - IM THROWING MONEY AT THE FIRE AND IT ISNT GOING OUT! Edit: If APA can pick up Cassio, Galio, and another assassin (AP or physical), he'll offer enough to cover all his bases in the event of a meta change.

@Cornincarnate 7 ай бұрын

He has played a decent Akali a few times.

@svsv1191 7 ай бұрын

monte should get into his funny bag more

@ggeoffreyy9411 7 ай бұрын

To say NRG is optimistically a 3rd place team is wild. In spring regular season CLG was 1-1 vs C9 and in summer they were 2-0 vs C9 then went on to smoke them in playoffs. They are literally the only NA team with a positive win record vs C9 for the past 2 splits - a team that has been considered the best team in NA for the past 2-3 years. At worlds NRG was the best western team to show up and only lost to the world finalists. Saying other teams in the LCS have upgraded while NRG has stayed the same is the same narrative analysts have been pushing for the past 2+ splits when NRG has proven sticking together has been a benefit for them.

@PeoplePleaser578 7 ай бұрын

Performance from last year is not reflective of this year. NRG never had the best players, they overperformed massively in summer at the same time that Flyquest and Golden Guardians collapsed. C9 had huge issues in summer that they could not fix… NRG basically got insanely lucky. In spring they were a mid tier team - which was how they performed in the end. They could win, but other teams have improved (Like C9) to be better than them.

@ggeoffreyy9411 7 ай бұрын

@@PeoplePleaser578 Performance from last 2 splits is the only thing we have to analyze moving into the next split/year of LCS. We dont know how the other teams roster moves will pan out until it plays out. To say other teams have improved is literally the same narrative GG, Flyquest, C9 and other teams had coming into last split.. and look how it went. If NRG got insanely lucky and fluked their way to winning LCS it still doesn't explain them being the best Western team at worlds or was that insane luck as well? Ultimately league is a team game it's not about having the best players, its about being the best team.

@PeoplePleaser578 7 ай бұрын

@@ggeoffreyy9411 Okay. CLG spring - 5th. Summer - 1st. C9 - 1st and 2nd in each respective split. C9 upgraded at Support and Midlane by picking up the MVP from last season… they have 100% improved and it’s a reasonable take to say that. Flyquest - 3rd into complete collapse and reset for this year. MVP Jungler. Former top tier midlaner. Former top tier Toplaner. Both of which have been considered top in their roles within the last 2 years. A solid young Support. It’s reasonable to believe that they will perform better. It is a team game but when it comes to analysis you have to assess the individual parts… Individually both teams look better. It’s reasonable to assume at this point that those teams perform better on paper. NRG were a mid tier team that caught a lot of throws in playoffs… assuming they just win out of hand because of last year, they were a 9-9 team that peaked as other teams collapsed. That’s it.

@stone_pilot 7 ай бұрын

They have a positive win record vs “C9” except that C9 has made significant changes to its roster, so outside of the letters “C9” it’s not actually the same team that they beat. I expect NRG to perform better than other teams because they’ve proven they were among the best, if not the best, in LCS, but it isn’t as simple as NRG beat C9 repeatedly => proves they do it again. Two C9 player changes might not seem significant but it WILL change the playstyle. Vulcan has a history of being better at melee champions whereas Zven was better at ranged champions. Jojo does not have a history of making the kinds of mistakes Emenes was making. Given the changes that Riot is making to the map, it makes a lot of sense to evaluate these teams based on historical *individual* performance. The meta is going to be different, including macro because of void grubs. Jungling will change because top is safer now. This may benefit a player like Blaber, who is known as a farming jungler. Contractz absolutely smurfed vs G2, I was rooting for NRG so hard those games. But historically he doesn’t consistently play like that. Is it reasonable to expect him to perform like that just because he’s demonstrated that he can? Can we expect NRG to maintain that form? we haven’t seen this C9 team play. But we have seen its elements, and I think they are individually compelling.

@ggeoffreyy9411 7 ай бұрын

Individually C9 has improved but it is still unknown how that plays out team wise. To me there are still problems C9 need to fix and potential new problems with a new roster. Fudge has progressively gotten worse as a player since his rookie split while needing the most amount of jungle attention from Blaber when C9s clear best carry is Berserker. Not to mention Fudge and Baber have objectively bad synergy that can be seen inside and outside of the game. On paper and personally I do think Vulcan is an upgrade from Zven if we ignore all of last year with him going 9th on Fly. But Berserker has been playing with Zven for 2 years.. its not unreasonable to say it could take some time to adjust to a new support after 2 years with Zven. Still, unless the meta changes back to ADC and/or Blaber starts focusing on getting Berserker fed I'm not sure how more impactful Vulcan will be vs Zven. Its true its not as simple as NRG beat C9 repeatedly proves they can do it again but as a jungle main, though only D4, when I watch C9 games its clear if you beat Blaber it becomes a whole lot easier to beat C9 and historically Contractz has consistently gotten the better of Blaber. Even Blaber himself has said that. Jungle and map changes happen every couple seasons, this is nothing new. In the end, the best team will prevail, not the individual. Based on history and Riots general trend for jungle I really doubt we go back to the jungle farming meta. If worlds was any indication at all its clear jungle powerfarming is not a thing amongst top tier teams.

@Zwijger 7 ай бұрын

T1 didn't even look like tournament favourites until they (checks notes) beat JDG. "Urr durr the lolesports pickem site had T1 favourite vs LNG and JDG" yes because no one watches LPL so no one knew anything about LNG and T1 has a massive fan base, and vs JDG they just came of that 3-0 win and again, massive fanbase.

@flashorb2707 7 ай бұрын

Or maybe t1 was just better than LNG. Lol

@bensonvong 7 ай бұрын

They also lost to GENG in Swiss. I think they had one of the lowest odds to win when the quarterfinal brackets was released because they had to go through lng, JDG and GENG which were the tournament favourites. Weibo and nrg were viewed as weaker but they played each other so odds weren’t as low. It was the T1 vs LNG ending up 3-0 where people started to look at T1 as a legitimate title contender.

@damiester1 7 ай бұрын

@@flashorb2707The LPL teams just got completely tricked into drafting against their own style for no reason. There wasn't any real meta changes in the patch, but the coaches just randomly chose to draft according to T1's strengths.

@podefunder 7 ай бұрын

Nah they looked like favorites based on the meta after the LNG series, as a T1 hater. If the meta becomes about weird ranged supports, Ori/Azir midlane, and Rumble/Aatrox/Aatrox counters toplane, T1 are gonna be the best

@Gurpreet-sv5zg 7 ай бұрын

@@damiester1 Tricked? lol you do realize LNG played to their own meta and got smoked against T1 meta. LNG was consider one of the top 3 to win it all. Also this point is awful since when range was meta in spring every region opted to it including LPL. No T1 in LPL to influence. Keep making excuses.

@youtubesucksbutts 7 ай бұрын

For unique players, I want to mention YOUNGJIN, in OWL, who played triple-flex for Shanghai Dragons and his versatility was a key part of making that team work in the stage that they won. The role lock thing kinda killed his career, sadly.

@Verlisify 7 ай бұрын

I think older players don't get enough credit with the "Plat Emerald would beat worlds teams" If we just drop in Diamond players into season 2-3 and give them a little practice they would get BODIED by macro. Bad draft into lane swap and its over. Alex Ich goes Kha Mid, Diamondprox does things you didn't even know were possible in the jungle or some top ladder player picks shaco and you aren't allowed to play the game no matter how skilled you are

@stone_pilot 7 ай бұрын

Yeah, that’s why those players aren’t playing the game anymore. They were so good that new players couldn’t play so riot had to get rid of them

@Verlisify 7 ай бұрын

@@stone_pilot Less financial support, age being a big factor in gaming, not wanting to continue. Crazy you jump straight to a stupid take

@podefunder 7 ай бұрын

There were certain macro movements that worked back then that new players wouldn't know, but you're severely underestimating the general understanding of the game. Like Diamondprox did things that everyone would be aware of now. Think low diamond players would lose, but high diamond players would have far greater understandings of micro and wave control.

@pretentiousfly 7 ай бұрын

@@Verlisifyyou're right man. Them missing 15 cs uncontested in a game was 200 iq

@Verlisify 7 ай бұрын

@@pretentiousfly You can find that in modern games too lmao. CS/min had a decline in recent seasons

@Pacee1234 7 ай бұрын

Where did prince go

@rangoonrush 7 ай бұрын

Korea

@Rusty_Justice 7 ай бұрын

I look forward to the four horseman episode about ClownZ's failure.

@Noajamai0503 7 ай бұрын

I think its funny how they think its a money issue for JDG when if they researched a little bit they wouldve known the reason they got yagao is because kanavi wanted it

@shanelucey7035 7 ай бұрын

Riot certainly loves using "toxicity" as an excuse to not include common features found in other games (looking at you, voice chat).

@HopefulNihilist 7 ай бұрын

How in the F did JDG managed to lose 369?? Goddamit. That's a much, MUCH bigger loss than Knight.

@aquidillion 7 ай бұрын

369 was burnt out. I mean that explains why he didn't play in Asian games and why he was so bad in the World Championships.

@podefunder 7 ай бұрын

Knight hate is unreal among Western fans. He was JDG's best player across the year

@HopefulNihilist 7 ай бұрын

@@podefunder I don't hate Knight at all. I think he was arguably the best overall mid in 2023. But I still think between the 2, 369 is more valuable. Specially when you go from him to fucking Flandre...

@Gurpreet-sv5zg 7 ай бұрын

@@podefunder No he was not their best player. Def a bing bong for that comment.

@Viper4975 7 ай бұрын

I delight in the results-based analysis on Rich. Monte is actually groundbreaking and intellectual on some of his takes but he goes Locodoco on the others. They literally talk about how Umti was failed by some of his rosters, but hes also failed some of the rosters hes been on.

@hotterthanfire7436 7 ай бұрын

How are you not talking about Markz as commissioner

@astar2394 7 ай бұрын

This was recorded before the announcement

@silvafangtv 7 ай бұрын

literally recorded before the announcement

@Nomanderx 7 ай бұрын

Based ❤

@johnparker7424 7 ай бұрын

I am a huge C9 fan and I was so PISSED to see that they kept Fudge... dude has been absolute shit for the past year.. maybe even 2 years. I wanted them to get Wunder so bad.

@REALpineEATER 7 ай бұрын

@theJMZero 7 ай бұрын

Cuz ya kept talking about GenG I have to share my worthless opinion: Can't stand GenG, I *want* to be a fan, but I can't stand how swingy Peanut's performance is. Same for Chovy. Its mental to me to see players that can be so dominate and also so good at shitting the bed.

@coybackus7665 7 ай бұрын

thorin discovered why flashwolves became the korean killers. faker and the boys sent the gamma bears packing in 2 or 3 games and they said never again

@pandapo7542 7 ай бұрын

Oh god I remember when riot refused to make a practice tool and their braindead reasoning. Literally no one has ever used the insult "go back to the practice tool" since its release. This must've been the riot lite era. As a league fan who has played the game since late 2012, I find it hilarious when new riot game fans say riot is a good company. Oh if only they knew.

@sinsun9166 7 ай бұрын

Knight will never win Championship , he can not change and always be bad at big game and need other play to save him.

@cobywells1923 7 ай бұрын

I hope Jackeylove likes meat. He’s going to be feasting on that mediocre BLG bot lane.

@damiester1 7 ай бұрын

I really want to see if the JKL + Meiko botlane was as good as they hyped it up to be a few months ago. Apparently, it was invincible lol.

@blumberg49 7 ай бұрын

Only on Summoning Insight will you find two people who claim they can't stand when people tell them they shouldn't be told how to think, before telling you you're an idiot for not agreeing with one of their opinions.

@EyesOnKindred 7 ай бұрын

Guess what's gonna happen first: League shuts down Fater retires LPL beats Faker at Worlds

@podefunder 7 ай бұрын

LPL beats Faker at Worlds, they've already beaten him many times at MSI and he got an insane Worlds meta for the team this time around. LPL has even won multiple Worlds that Faker has attended

@Gurpreet-sv5zg 7 ай бұрын

@@podefunder No they have not. Getting wuhan vibes from this comment.

@DanielJDArby-ip4ce 7 ай бұрын

@@podefunder LPL has 3 worlds trophies, meanwhile, Faker has 4. Faker is your region's daddy. Stop coping.

@TonyLee-fm2fy 7 ай бұрын

Who these fans that Monte and Thoorin talk to ? Or do they just make up strawmen to argue against ?

@danieljara2742 7 ай бұрын

Sometimes thorin reads twitch chat, i assume sometimes they see reddit threads and Twitter too.

@podefunder 7 ай бұрын

As someone who's really active in league communities, when Thorin responds to fans he's normally responding to a common fan sentiment. He doesn't have to strawman them because fans are dumb and already do that