One of their problems for me personally is that they combine an over-confidence concept with very weak vocal, this combination somehow pisses me off

the fact they gave them no vocal training and expected them to rival aespa. insane. i feel so incredibly bad for them and every other group under hybe.

I agree, It's really Hybe fault, Hybe gave them a good songs but forgot to give them a good vocal trainer

The thing is Yunjin was trained in pop when she was still in Pledis. During PD48 she was solid as a pop vocalist. Whatever HYBE did, it's def messing her up. At the end of the day I blame the studio for intentionally choosing members that can't sing to create a singing group. Some people simply can't sing no matter how many years of training and practice they go thru. It's not natural to them. Case in point Sakura. She's a great entertainer (and my bias in the group) but I'm convinced she'll never be a good singer.

I just find is so bizarre that an idol with such vocal problems doesn't take any lessons and confidently says "it was our best stage" while a skilled vocalist like Jongho hits all the right notes and still the first thing he does after Coachella is go to a singing lesson... It really shows that good vocals are a result of hard work and a guaranteed fame debuting in Hybe gives you makes idols think theu don't need to improve because people will still like them.

I was having the same thoughts about yunjin, it's kinda sad how bad hybe kinda set her up to fail, by not giving her the proper training to translate from her past style to the style they do now

In one of those “former employees speak out about kpop company” YT shorts, the dish about HYBE was that they basically had no coaches: you had to join the company fully-trained or talented because you weren’t going to get any better at HYBE. It was one thing when this was just Le Sserafim, but now that ILLIT has debuted, we can assume that that rumor was probably true.

Even chaewon and yunjin can't pass as a lead vocalist of the big 3 company

What pisses me off is how the members still don't take vocal lessons even though they know that they're very weak in that department. They've said time and time again that they're not confident in singing live. Why they don't take action and improve upon it is beyond me atp. Now to me, it just looks like they know their fans will let them slide for being untrained vocalists so they don't see the need to put in "unnecessary" effort to improve. Makes u really think about the level of these mainstream groups in kpop these days

I’m a vocalist and it took 10 years to sing pop and R&B properly because I was trained in opera and classical. Both styles require completely different techniques, but breath support using your diaphragm is universal to all styles of singing

It’s annoying to me that kpop, esp Hybe has blatantly disregarded vocals as a criteria for being a kpop idol. Feels like kpop is a complete joke, and the fans just accepting this look like fools. Singers should sing, you can’t convince me otherwise.

"The song is not in their range!" - Performs songs in their range badly even if they're just standing still & use pre-recorded vocals in their concert. "The choreo is hard, they will of course have a hard time singing while dancing" - week 2 coachella has a toned down choreo but they're still out of breath & out of pitch just like in their week 1 performance. This just furthermore shows that they can't balance the two eventhough they aren't the only gg with a "hard" choreo. Them having a full core workout routine didn't even benefit them from having good breathing technique. "Blame the company not the girls!" - the girls posts in weverse already shows that the problem is them. Its already in their mindset of playing the victim & knowing the fact they their deranged fans will always defend them. Why can't some of you hold them accountable for their lack of effort in their vocals?? We're blaming BOTH. the company AND the girls. These are idols who earn ton shit of money, you can really tell that they're here for the sake of fame. "Give them time, they will definitely improve overtime" - Why do we always have to settle for the bare mimimum?? If I'm being honest, Kazuha got in because they saw that they can profit off of her ballet profession. Sakura & chaewon got scouted back due to their popularity as well as Yunjin & not for their talent. Eunchae debuted because they needed to cater to the young audience in kpop stans to push the "youthful" & "bubbly" image on her to again, profit off of her. No one in Le sserafim debuted for the sake of their talent, they all debuted because they saw the marketable level of the girls and how they fit the designated demand in the idol industry but NOT in the music industry. Idk why y'all always make up excuses. Why do y'all jave such low standards to call them "good" & "perfect"??? Their music is also nothing bit a generic pop song made for the sole purpose of virality & catchimg that tiktok hit. To anyome who likes this group, y'all love to settle for the bare miminum & most likely stanned them because of their marketable level as well as having short attention span.

I watched both sets multiple times and I’m glad you set the record straight: on the first weekend there was only a backing track on Easy, the second weekend it was on everything. This was plain as day and made all the praise for the second weekend seem disingenuous or naive. It was foolish of the label to put them up to this, tbh you can see in Eunchae’s face, she is genuinely deeply wounded by the severe criticism

it's so questionable that with undoubtedly sooo many trainees with years of training just waiting to debut, for some reason hybe/soumu decided to debut kazuha who had only 5 months of training and eunchae who barely had 1 year and nonetheless was very young (no hate to them at all since it's not their fault they were thrown into it). it's just a shame that the girls are suffering this outrage as an outcome of their company debuting them as teenagers for the sake of an aesthetic instead of experience and talent

So tired of people excusing it as "Their choreo is so intense! Ofc they wouldn't sound good live!" Meanwhile Ateez, who also performed at Coachella, has FAR more demanding Choreo and sounded great live.

ngl i feel like source music debuted them too early they wanted to quickly get on the post izone hype but bc of that it meant 3/5 members didn’t get proper training (like kazuha only got 6 months of training) that plus giving songs not in their range and difficult choreo was just a recipe for bad live vocals

Yunjin is interesting. While her technique obviously favours more classical singing currently, there was a point in time where she was able to sing pop. On Produce48, she was often praised for her stable and powerful vocals, and all they sung on produce was pop songs. I don't think the issue with her current technique is that it's more accustomed to classical singing; I think that she forgot most of her training at Pledis/Source after she went back to the US for college. And when she was asked to come back for Lesserafim, it was back to square 1 for her. She's sounds amazing singing opera songs, but Lesserafim's songs are just not in her comfortable range and often have a lot of talk-singing to compensate for the less skilled vocalists in the group. Yunjin needs a proper vocal coach to help her tap into her pop singing technique again.

So le sserafim who have weak vocals and are always given demanding choreos and hybe expect them to slay their live coachella performance with no backtracks ??? 🙂

The backtrack on the 2nd week was so loud and people thought they just improved in a week 😅

Yunjin's case honestly surprised me the most? Like idk how her vocals sounded soo worse like Sakura Kazuha Eunchae ones were obvious but Yunjin-

Love Lesserafim concept, but their vocal is just not enough even for their own easy songs 😢

I am very happy, that Ateez performed at Cochella too and KILLED it with the vocals, so that all the non-Kpop-fans dont think, that all kpop groups are vocally as weak as Le Sserafim was. And yes, Hybe needs to change something with their vocal department. They never had the strongest vocalists, but the newer groups are just embarrassing -.- I mean, even YG, who always was the performance company of the Big3, teached their idols how to sing live...

Apparently, according to the info Min HeeJin leaked, LE SSERAFIM had very little training time. Only about 6 months. It makes sense when you think about it.

Lesserafim definitely need more vocal training if they want to be taken seriously as musical artists. Most people will not respect a singer who seemingly can't sing and Lesserafims concept is kind of a double edged sword as their fierce and confident personas are loved and it's what makes them stand out from other groups in the industry BUT it's also starting to work against the girls. People will see Lesserafim, their fierce and "I don't care" attitude in their music and then will look at their live vocals and think "so they brag about making it look easy but can't sing?" The girls (especially Sakura) are being criticised as being unprofessional, a clip of them talking about the meaning behind easy is resurfacing as people are now questioning how they have "the nerve" to say that they're so good at their job even though they struggle to sing their own songs and Sakura's statement after Coachella only helped to add more fuel to the fire as many (including myself) found the statement to be giving "we tried our best so it doesn't matter if it's actually good or not good" energy. If HYBE wants to ensure that Lesserafims image as musical artists isn't damaged and remains well received, the vocal lessons need to come ASAP. Otherwise the criticism will turn into anger which will turn into resentment and finally explode into a full on hate train. Vocal improvement isn't just about their vocals anymore, it's about their image and how respected they'll be.

Just like HYBE slogan, Believe in Money, not in Quality.

I'm not that surprised, as an old army, I've seen BTS members struggle with singing since their debut, and i haven't seen that much improvement Hybe is not a company that focus on vocals unfortunately, they focus on concepts I don't see Le Sserafim getting better thanks to the company, they might need to look for independent vocal lessons if they want to get better Hybe will NEVER give them vocal training, for them they're famous enough, even with the backlash, as it's still advertisment dor them Im feeling extremely bad for them and any group under hybe

I am rooting for yunjin .. Hope she take singing seriously again. 😩 Hybe always focuses on tiktok challenge marketing rather than vocal training.

I do not get it. Most of SKZ is going for vocal training until today, out of their own pocket, from outside vocal trainers (the some one Baekhyun is paying for until today too), it shows that any idol CAN get vocal training if they want to. Yes, kpop companies SHOULD train them until they are competent enough but if all else fail, they themselves should know their own strength and weakness and address to it. I do not get justification of ‘oh they are super famous thus super busy!’. Han has said before, as an example, Seungmin, despite whatever schedule they have, will make time for his vocal lessons. I am a physician, I am taking exam, but I am working as usual, doing at least 6 oncalls a month which stretches to 33 hours of no sleep, and I HAVE to make time for my classess and exams. We have to deal with what we have. The fact that they can do better, means that they only need to reach out to a vocal instructor and learn and practice. I have seen videos of KoF, ITZY and NMIXX doing their dance practice with live singing. It can be done. Just practice while dancing. You can do it.

I think that Chaewon and Yunjin are also very nervous because they know that other members can't do a decent job. It is hard to give all your best when you are thinking about something else, especially if it is something negative. It is easier to be relaxed and have fun when everyone is at least decent (mamamoo and aespa encores are great, they are just having fun, no need to worry about embarasement or negative comments). Chaewon and Yunjin are doing way better when they are by themselves, especially Yunjin

The craziest thing is that every time a group goes viral for its bad vocals, the group is from hybe... that company just want money, don't even put the minimum effort to train their idols properly. Embarrassing.

Say what you want about the big three, but the recent groups all have great vocals. Baemon, treasure, riize, aespa, nmixx all have great to amazing vocalist. Even the weaker members have stable vocals. Hybe seems only interested in debuting groups that dance well.

the hate for them is severe and that's not what we're gonna do but they still deserve the criticism for their vocals regardless. they did not improved one bit since fearless. in fact, they even got worse. can't even imagine how worse they can get if they still don't give them vocal lessons.

Coming from someone who was once classically trained, you'd be surprised at how much the rules of basic support transfer well to all styles - but it's "use it or lose it". If you get out of practice, you arent guaranteed to have the same amount of skill you had a year ago and you build up from scratch again. Not sure what hybe did but yunjin would have to put in a lot of effort to get back to where she was pre-debut

Yunjin is probably the worst main vocalist when it comes to encores and live singing

Yeah singing the line "damn I really make it look easy" while not, in fact, making it look easy is pretty unfortunate.

It's crazy how HYBE waited UNTIL the controversy happened to give them any sort of help on stage. Like for the second week, each member had pitch-correcting and backtracks that suited their personal needs. If it was so easy to do on such a whim, why not just do it for the first week too?? I doubt the girls themselves were saying "Nah, forget about all our other mediocre performances, we'll go out there and kill this stage while doing all our dances and jumping around in the blazing heat! Don't even think of helping us out." I am so ashamed of HYBE and I'm glad that company is falling apart at the seams right now. It's what they deserve. Let's just hope their artists can make it out unscathed.

Sakura *missed a schedule recently due to stress. Not surprising, considering everything that's going on at Hybe currently and how it all has reignited the hate for Lesserafim in Korea. She's basically the face for Japanese idols, and there's this xenophobic sentiment that "Japanese *Kpop idols can't sing", and more Japanese Kpop idols are under scrutiny and getting compared to her constantly. I couldn't imagine being under that kind of pressure. It is rumored that she started taking vocal lessons before Coachella, and I hope she continues to do so because her confidence at the performances was a breath of fresh air! I sincerely hope the best for Lesserafim. Hybe clearly isn't doing much to garner their potential. Based on the timeline of their training and subsequent debut, it's not shocking that they have these flaws. As always, criticism is fine; hate is not. *Added clarification for any confusion and corrections.

NGL Babymonster may have singing abilities that sound the same and have recycled Blackpink songs for releases but at least everyone can tell they were trained and they CAN SING

It's incredible how Hybe can't train a singer who is at least decent, but putting all the blame on the company isn't right either, these idols have enough money to go after a professional in the field. No idol works 24 hours a day every day. What's shameful is that there are idols who have been in the industry for over 10 years and manage to become more horrible than they already were, and I'm not just talking about Sakura.

Chaewon main vocalist and main dancer and backbone of the group

idols main job is to sing and that's the department that this group missed.

I agree about sakura's perfomance in coachella, she did her part well, better than the previous encore perfomance. But, yeah, they still had a lot to do, at least to sing their own song.... And I agree about the member ARE NOT LAZY. If HYBE can't be expected to provide vocal training, I hope the member can get vocal training outside HYBE

There WAS a backtrack on their first weekend, but for whatever technical reason, the backtrack was not hooked up to the livestream. People at the event heard backing, people watching the livestream did not. It's a really, really unfortunate mistake.

I actually don't think the lack of backtrack was a deliberate choice on Hybe's part, but a technical issue from Coachella's side. Many artists, Kpop or western, perform with a backtrack. LSF did have one too, evident by the fancams. (BTW Coachella takes down all uploads of the livestream for all artists, I don't think it's Hybe) Thank you for being respectful as always 😊 I personally liked the performance, but I agree that things will have to change if Hybe has any care for the longevity of the group or the health of the members.

I think if they are going to earn millions of dollars, they should be worthy of this huge money. High schoolers can do better vocally.

I feel a little sad of see many videos about le sserafim bad singing and not see videos praising who did well. ateez did very well in coachella. we say that we want more good singers in kpop but we don't talk enough about them.

I don't normally listen to other groups but this whole hybe drama has me checking out their artists and i noticed that though the music is trendy and nicely produced, they don't make the music with their artists' musical talent in mind. Like the way they sing certain songs should reflect their talent and abilities so they can be confident even on a bad day. Now technics may also be underdeveloped but Yujin not being able to sing her own song just makes me confused.

Hybe always refuses to give their idols vocal coaches. It happened with BTS, it happened with TXT and now it's happening with Lesserafim. Dancing shouldn't be their only focus. The members deserve to be coached so they can reach their full potential so they don't sound like they're dy1ng every time they sing standing still

When Yunjin was a trainee under Pledis she was SO good (she was so praised in produce and we can say why, she was really good). Then she signed with Source, under Hybe, and we all know that Hybe don't care about vocal lessons; even Jungkook said long ago that he didnt take vocal lessons bc he preferred training himself lol (how can you when you are not a vocal coach and you are not a very good singer?). It's so sad bc Hybe knows it doesnt need good vocal or anything bc his fame and his wealth can ANYTHING, dumb fans will stick with everything Hybe throws up bc it's hybe, so they dont care.

I wish HYBE would give them, not only proper vocal training but also higher songs. Let's face it, they're wasting the potential of the backbone vocals of the group by pushing this "overly confident girls power song in low register"... 😑 And the way their songs go from low register to punctual high notes makes the girls struggle to hit them. HYBE sets them up for vocal failure.

Also, Eunchae’s voice always sounds drastically flat. Is that just me??

i feel sorry & sad for these girls. the criticism about their vocals is justifiable but the hate & the harassment is not. i think it's best if HYBE put them in hiatus for a few months let these girls take a break & give them proper vocal training. then give them one amazing comeback to show their improvement. i'm sure everyone will shut up about this & will definitely gain more fans.

How the standard of being a kpop singer now is so low, but it becomes so normal for the baby fans, they don't care if their idols sound bad or not. I mean, I don't feel it's fair for those who have a dream to be a singer and have a real talent, but couldn't make it for just being less attractive. Even the survival shows nowadays are so problematic, the votes can be bought and manipulated to favor certain contestants, just because they fit the beauty standard in South Korea. It's ok if they got so lucky to debut despite of lack of singing abilities or dancing skill, but I can equally respect them if they can work hard to improve over times. But sadly, a lot of fans and even the members think our criticisms as malicious comments, they can't tell apart which one is hate comment and which one is constructive criticism. I can't believe they aren't able to see their shortcomings after watching their own replay, and admit they are indeed lack of something. Chaewon being the most stable one has to carry the whole performance, it's not fair if the other members do not even think it wasn't ok and do not even care to work hard to at least be decent. That's not how you work as a team, Chaewon is being dragged down and I feel so bad for her for receiving some hate comments.

I really want to hear a more in-depth analysis of eunchae’s voice from you bc i feel like many are okay with her vocals or dont really pay attention bc she sings with more support than the others, but sometimes when i listen to her vocals it really seems like she is tone-deaf, very similar case to shuhua

Now their reputation is tarnished forever their bad singing was on the news for days that will at least affect their popularity in South Korea some Koreans were calling them « ar group ».They should’ve been trainees for at least two more years before debuting. They are not ready but hybe only cares about money. Idk about y’all but I would be so embarrassed to look at other idols in the eyes knowing that my singing is mediocre

I feel like classical technique and classical style are mixed up too often. Proper classical technique should allow you to sing ANYTHING. Not just opera. The great opera singers sung other genres as well, mostly at private gigs and bookings and not on official stages. Classical technique (cuz I can't cover everything), is mostly just learning proper diaphragm engagement, release of tension, a low larynx, and how to manipulate the tongue and palate to serve the tone. Easy to learn, very, very hard to master. Classical style is the trills often heard in opera, vibrato on every line, men staying in chest voice and using head voice sparingly, women staying in head voice and only utilizing chest voice on low notes, etc. I urge everyone who reads this comment to listen to any of the great opera singers, and using your imagination, remove all the stylistic elements and picture them singing a modern day pop song. They could do it. There are even clips of Whitney Houston, Patti Labelle, and most recently Beyonce singing opera songs/in classical styles, and while they aren't perfect, because they're not classical singers, they're pretty damn good. Why? Because they have technique. Good technique. The idea that classical training doesn't translate well to other genres is not only false, but I feel is the reason why so many female singers these days have no chest voice whatsoever. And because I don't see the need in naming anyone specifically, cuz stans in general just take that as an opportunity to spread hate, please seek out a Maria Callas recording and listen to her low notes. That is how a soprano chest voice should sound. Not airy, muffled, and inaudible. Others would be Renata Tebaldi, Claudia Muzio, Luisa Tetrazzini, and Geraldine Farrar.

Honestly with how much people are (rightfully) calling out their lack of skill and training in vocals, I can't imagine Hybe NOT doing something about it and providing good lessons for them. I honestly imagine that while for Sakura and Kazuha it will still be a struggle, the other three members will become more stable. ...It's just unfortunate that it had to get to THIS level for a huge conglomerate to take the basics of music seriously

The difference between the original coachella live audio and the fancams is crazy

I don’t agree on the backtrack things. In week 1, there was definitely backing vocal for their performances, but it was small enough for audiences to hear their real vocal. In week 2, the backtrack was so loud, we could barely hear them singing, in result the overall performance feels acceptable.

As a professional myself, I think, it is time they take the bussiness in their hands as any other professional in any other field. Their company has prooved they will not be send to vocal lessons so the members need to pay for their own pockets for them and use all the weight they can have into create for themselves the time for their classes and to improve on them. After all this riot I would expect to take an eight to ten months "hiatus" or even a year for their next comeback and return with the basics down and more suited for their voices songs. They can keep their modeling, maybe do some dancing stages, nothing that takes them that much time for them to really focus in develops their skills as singers. In most jobs it is not the responsability of the company to provide for the development of their workers in the basics of their work, and for them is singing. It is time for them to hold accountability for their own work and it is so sad Coachella has to be the reason for that.

How can they improve in just one week, which they didn't do in years?? And how can they even sing while dancing when they couldn't even sing properly while standing????

Its just so sad that the producers of LSFM's songs are so talented and make amazing songs, but it seems so disconnected from the group itself. All if their songs sound amazing because of autotune and post-production. You can hear the amount of autotune in all of their voices it almost sounds robotic at times. The fact that they were chosen to rep KPop at Coachella is a bit odd.

This is well done. As someone ot familiar with LeSserafim, it was nice to hear about their strengths and weaknesses. Also, in the fan cams you can hear more backing track than the live. I think the broadcast has more of their live mic feed while it was more balanced between live and backtrack on site.

Well ig until the next comeback We shall see if source music and hybe really dedcied to give them serius training or just dont care anymore from this point abt their vocals

It's even funnier when their stans keep defending them by bringing vocal range and voice type shits.

Idols deserve better than this negligence. I can’t help but feel like HYBE set these poor girls up for failure with this mess along with the New Jeans and ILLIT debacle. How many more groups are they gonna churn out on a conveyor belt? Side-eyeing HYBE SO hard 😒

A lot of western artist still have vocal coaches after become famous just like athletes still train once they make a team. So even if a group was given vocal training during their trainee period they still need it once they debut

This is unrelated, but I would love if you would do a video on Billlie. They're very talented and have very strong vocalists.

Honestly, the video and the comments sum it up, but it's just worrisome that their skills are genuinely regressing at such a quick rate. Their coachella improvement feels like a bandaid solution to a larger problem... I hope they have a strong mindset with their careers because they do have a lot to offer while they're idols.

hybe doesnt give two fucks about their idols vocally and its kinda sad

the thing about them not having proper/enough vocal training is not only Hybe/the company's fault.. as a kpop idol, you choose that job, you do anything to improve your own assets and not just rely on your company because lets admit it, a company is there to exploit you(especially in the kpop industry), once your contract with them ends or when you are in deep shit(scandal) its very rare that they will back you up. there are a lot of idols that decided to get their private vocal trainings to improve themselves, but clearly, le sserafim seems to be contented with the fame they currently have and think its enough (some even think its arrogant)

These conversations always make me wonder what the group would sound like if Garam was still a member. She was only 16 and the company had enough trust in her vocal abilities that she had the most lines in “Sour Grapes”. And if she improved over the last two years, she could’ve helped Yunjin and Chaewon anchor the group’s vocals. But we’ll obviously never know what could have been because some buIIy got jealous of her. Anyways, this was a great analysis. I always respect you for your professionalism in assessing even less proficient vocalists compared to many people who will just bash on them without much insight as to what exactly is going wrong. HYBE seriously has to hire a vocal coach. Their best vocal groups are arguably: 1. Seventeen 2. GFriend 3. Fromis_9 4. BTS 5. Maybe TWS or BoyNextDoor (I’m honestly not familiar enough with either group to make a concrete determination) 3/5 were acquired either by purchasing other companies or buying out contracts. While I don’t expect the same level of vocal prowess as SME, RBW, or Starship’s artists (plus Cube’s boy groups) to appear over night, they need to reconsider which trainees they accept and/or how they divide time spent on training certain skills. Yes, dance skills are important in the current generation. But there’s no longevity there. Plenty of older groups have attested to how difficult it is to keep up with the demands for intense choreography (just what the behind the scenes footage from SNSD’s “Lil Touch” music video). Your body gives out eventually. And then what? If you don’t have a voice to rely on, you could easily be out of a career. I hope Le Sserafim gets the training they need because you have Yunjin, Chaewon, and Eunchae holding a lot of potential with Sakura and Kazuha demonstrate the work ethic needed to also improve greatly.

Honestly, as if Hybe tried to make Chaewon like Winter. She's a main vocalist but she really needs someone like Yoo Young-jin to improve her singing ability. When agency lyrics distributed among members, they will pick carefully. But unfortunately, not with Le Sserafim

Someone actually had the audacity to tell me that my standards were too high because I'm a fan of SHINee and that it is all nostalgia bait. Like WHAT??? Even if an idol is not able to sing properly due to choreography, they should be able to while standing still at the very least. Have fun, enjoy the encore, but atleast sing properly?

as a fan of yunjin i feel really sad for her, i think le sserafim is holding her back

They weren't solid before so why are people surprised they are not solid now? They simply do not have the talent overall as a group to make the cut in any top company in SK. Their company worked OVERTIME to hide their lack of skills and make them appear more talented... And people believed it! That's so amazing to me. That they as a group think they can get away with this, with no shame.

Omg they are so bad… When BoA bombed this bad in Japan she immediately went on a hiatus and trained really hard to become a VERY stable solo singer/dancer. The fact that these girls are in a group and sound like this is unacceptable.

Hearing Ain't No Other Fan curse was like hearing a Kpop Idol curse for the first time LOL. I actually had to double take on what I heard

Chaewon is just tired imagine singing live most of the time compared to your other members and carrying the vocal department

Honestly, I completely agree with everything here, but I just want to say I'm really glad you took the time to point out that criticism is not inherently a sign of disrespect. I think a lot of fans fall into the trap of either responding to criticism as though it were malicious or defending their favorite idols from criticism, and funnily enough the latter group often employ one of the two most frequent fallacies I see on the internet as a whole: "too much criticism!" and "they're putting time and effort into their work just for you to criticize it!". Criticism is a necessary part of any discipline and necessary to grow as a person overall and not only that it's completely unavoidable if your work goes into the public eye. Criticism can be constructive or destructive and the difference is not who or what is being criticized OR how often they receive criticism but the way one chooses to present their criticism. Constructive criticism is respectful toward the person and their work and takes care to emphasize that it's an opportunity for improvement. I think that difference is very good information that we should collectively try to spread.

The result of debuting a group just for gaining some money without previous preparation.

It's typical for HYBE subsidiaries to just focus on dancing and marketing their idols. Sakura has been in the industry for 10 years, and as we've learned from the recent HYBE-ADOR scandal, Le Sserafim was created around her and Chaewon. The fact they did that knowing how both severely need solid vocal lessons just goes to show where their priorities lie. Add to that, you have content creators all over social media, clearly paid by HYBE, to hype up their performances, even as far as going to say the girls had "amazing vocals" and "you weren't there, they were amazing singers!". The worst thing is, the girls obviously know they can't sing, but they don't care. They rely on their gullible fans and the might of HYBE to carry them through.

I don't know what it is about hybe. Many of there groups have vocal issues, so do they not have good vocal teachers?? I watched "R U Next" and there are trainees with good vocals at hybe but they don't debut. I don't understand.

I'm gonna be honest. Hybe doesn't and will never care about vocals. They have made it very clear how they're trying to shift the focus to perfomance and visuals ONLY. You see this with every popular Hybe group except for seventeen, because they're the only group that started somewhere different. Hybe only wants to chart and that's it. Side note: the best vocalists still take vocal lessons because THEY want to, they themselves say THEY need to. so even if Hybe doesn't provide lsf with vocal training, they could very well do it on their own, that's not an excuse I'll be using anymore.

Kpop is a music-oriented industry, idols at least have to sing smoothly their own songs.

It sad how hybe doesn't care about their wellbeing. With the whole wanting to destroy Aespa, it feels like they sent them to have that title of "fastest Coachella I don't remember what thing" They didn't care how many hate comments they would get, they just wanted the effin title at the expense of the members' mental health and reputation. They're so great at dancing! Their choreos are so good! Just give them songs when they can show more that strength and vocal lessons.

could you do a vocal analysis of txt ive seen alot of moas become misogynistic towards hybe girl groups saying that their boy groups(hybe) are the only ones who an sing

Alot of ppl are trying to blame hybe and say they need vocal training. But you can't polish a rock and hope it turns into a diamond. If they hire tone deaf people, even a breadth of vocal trainers would not be able to help them. Even sakura said the pressure of improving gets to her. If she was truly a singer she would revel in the opportunity to sing, not be scared of it. It is hybe's fault in the sense that they hired girls who cant sing for the position of being a singer.

i was waiting for your opinions on this

They will celebrate their 2nd birthday next week. it's a bit late for me. Their moral has been wounded. The work need to be done by the end of the year. But I'm a hopeful and optimistic guy. I hope it's the best marketing operation ever, cause in fact they all simulate weak skills, and 2025 will see their comeback with a grandiose A cappella Album. But I know I have a lot of imagination too... 2024 is not gonna be so easy...

if i remember correctly Baekhyun from exo said that he still takes vocal lessons even tho hes like 10 years into his career.. todays idols just dont care anymore lmaooo

Can we also get a video about Itzy recent vocal stints with Lia gone temporarily it shocked me to see Chaeryeong take on a good portions of high notes and belts. Chae’s my bias has improved greatly over time with her singing and confidence but I feel there has been a massive jump of what’s being expected of her

He litteraly stated at the start of the video that this video and comment section is not a place to hate on the girls but a lot of y'all are mocking and dragging them out here. If you don't have any constructive crticism to make stop yourself from commenting

I'm sorry but this is what you get when a studio give your song not suited for the voices of your group. No problem to record it, unlimited try and expensive softwares. Then 90% of live with backtrack at 80% volume. And now what are you doing when it's at 50% ? when it's live ?? It's sad to see Kpop becomming dance groups with cute visual singing in playback a song made in germany.

Yunjin is not nearly as good as she should be with her alleged experience. Chaewon is decent, she's good compared to the others in the group but the bar's low. Eunchae is not very good but I guess she still has time to improve. Sakura sounded awful but I feel like she's improving a bit (too little too late?). Kazuha is the one I think struggles the most. That said, I like them, they're fun to watch and their songs are catchy. They need better vocal training though, otherwise they should just be a dance crew hahaha.

Only 2 of them can be singers. We know who. Three others are doomed, Idk why they were even chosen to debut

I think the songs that they can perform live right now are “Perfect Night” and “Impurities”. Those 2 aren’t demanding note-wise, and even the choreo are more laid back (compared to their other songs)

I'm so p**sed at SMEnt now. EXO have been invited to perform at Coachella for several years straight since 2018 but SM always turned down the invitation because they target EXO only for Asian markets. Yet this could be the best performance of a kpop group at Coachella as EXO vocals, dance skills and charisma on stage are superior. Yet other labels with zero vocal training have the guts to send their groups who confirmed the idea that in kpop nobody can sing... Girls Generation, EXO... Any SM group could show what kpop was was meant to be as SM actually created kpop, but SM is too stupid and arrogant sabotaging their own success 😭

It's HYBE. They got millions and millions of simps and bandwagoners who would take anything this agency offers. Why would they pay for vocal trainings when it does not matter to fans anyway?! Best example is BTS. that group is downright MEDIOCRE and even the WEAKEST VOCALS IN 3rd gen to say the least even with autotune but they still have the biggest fandom. I would do the same if I were Bang PD. 😂

always love your videos and this doesn’t disappoint. i know its crazy kazuha gets lines that chaewon and/or yunjin would sing too lol. im glad you acknowledged sakura’s improvement - no matter how small. and thank you for acknowledging their hard work. hope you’re all better now! like you said, i hope they get better vocal coaches/teachers whether it’s in hybe or outside! i’m sure they would improve. all the best to your videos and the girls! 💞