think this is the Thawne from Legends being revived again for protecting the fixed point. this is probably his next mission; to fight against himself and the negative Speed and Still Forces.

Imagine this is origin story but with rewritten timeline he name reverse flash early in timeline in this timeline

The flash creates the reverse flash

@@decendingz7885 no bro reverse flash creates flash

@@gelachincharauli8481 it’s a paradox here, as the flash creates the reverse flash by the flash going to the future and spoiling his reveal to the world. But the reverse flash creates the flash

I doubt Meena will be killed, she is replacinf caitlin on the team.

What if she does die and he ends up getting his memories back 😲

I was literally thinking of this today

Evil thawn kills Meena causing good thawn finding out it was himself and he was destine to be reverse flash

Yeah Matt is also a cool thawne

Please stop that lighting rod line it's straight up cringe

I have a feeling that Cavanaugh Thawne will kill Meena and cause Letscher Thawne to become the Thawne we all know

Thawne got hit with that Season 7 Power of Love 😂

Yeah but that’s only because he lost his memory

Character: cries Cecile: 😩 you are in a lot of grief right now and it...feels like I'm...drowning in it because we couldn't tell the character was sad from them crying

She been helping people with her powers

@@thefoeofdrip1184 all she has been doing was tell the viewers (Us) what each character has been feeling when it’s really obvious

@@thefoeofdrip1184 yeah but its damn awkward for a show to tell you how a character is feeling. It's lazy writing. The show could've shown how a character feels by showing the character crying or being cooped up in a room in blue lighting or whatever-they did that correctly for Caitlin. On the other hand the writers decide to reduce Cecile to a feeling meter, so they can tell us how characters feel in words. They've reduced Cecile to a narrator, telling us how each character feels. It's Ironic, that they're given wider boundaries with film to be able to show exactly how characters feel, and yet they choose to limit themselves to the boundaries of a book, using only words to tell us how a character feels.

@@Popoff.indigo Did you forget she's a meta-attorney?

there's definitely two Thawne's. Tom-Thawne is the same Thawne we've been seeing since season 4. Matt-Thawne is from the flashpoint timeline

This is starting to remind me of apex legends lol

@@Cosmicmorales Awesome game, but how exactly does it relate to the Flash according to you?

If the writers want to make this good. They could have this season end off with Matt's Reverse flash helping and building trust with Team Flash. Then somehow the Negative Force turns him to the evil Reverse Flash we know. Which eventually causes an emotional twist and trust-breaking moment with Team Flash for the next season. Ending the series off by having it come full-circle to Barry and Thawne going back in time to have their fated fight where he kills Barry's Mother

@@TheMortalLand That's pretty ingenious actually. Good thought!!!

They stopped when they dropped the time travel adventures to alternate earths

@@djpegao I thought they stopped using the term “time remnants” after season 3. Because when they mentioned Savitar , they would describe him as another version of Barry (which is true) but they don’t call him a time remnant anymore

@@joshabraham6715 yes this Thawne is the Time Remnant but not anymore. I think his out of the timeline, he hasn’t one, after the Black Flash killed him.

@@ArrowverseSeries zoom

Every speedster with erased timeline are time remnants. Legends Eobard become time remnant after Barry saved his mom and created flashpoint. And speedsters who travels through time for a second also becomes time remnants, because they no longer original speedster.

Nah I’d like to think there giving us a thawne who isn’t blinded by his hate anymore. I think they gave him a 2nd chance to live life

When thawne eventually does use it meena is gonna die and he losses his lightning rod turning him into the original universe reverse flash who's blinded by the negative speed force to kill barry just like she tried to, which technically would make it so history doesnt change. That's my theory

nah man he is not remember his another life and he is good like that ı hope so they wont change it because thawne finally good and they wont change it

@@mytharrow2197 I wouldnt mind having a good Thawne and the Evil thawne at the same time. WOUld make for a good twist/dynamic. But if Meena dies and Good THawne gets hit by that negative lightning he may get all his memories back and turn back evil, which would be tragic and sad, and that plays well in the CW shows. We''ll see! Also Still Force is taking Evil Thawne out of Lian Yu, so Evil Thawne could go straight for Good Thawne and awaken him, now that he knows there is another THawne walking around being all good

@@psytron939what if his destiny is to become this Thawne. Deon took him wiped his memories an placed him there to meet Meena. Deon is called the still force but also could be called the time force he can manipulate time so maybe he had some say in what happened to Thawne. The time wraiths are shown to be connected to the speed force and Deon was born from the speed force so could have connections with the wraiths. maybe he asked them or told them to do what they did to Thawne an we saw him just get grabbed by Deon maybe so he can be thrown into the events that led him to this episode or it is totally something else entirely I'm looking forward to see how this is going to play out

It would be really interesting if that happened, and the last season is all about Thawne's redemption. It would be a good way to end the series where it began.

@@Hei_Darkfire Might happen someday, this ain’t the last season tho

@@TheLastGuardian30 Well currently, rumor is that Season 9 is the going to be the last season. Though we don't know for sure since even the director of the series doesn't seem to know for sure.

he is not good. he is grow to hate the flash in season 9 since that's the last season to come and they will go full circle

@@Hei_Darkfire no wtf. it needs to go full circle. him hating the flash. killing his mom in the past

It's pretty hard to create. Because RF created Flashpoint when he killed Nora Allen. And doing so..original Flash who created in 2020 never exist. Plus..this show never show original Flash yet.

We need savitar again

I swear

@@danirastawijaya3411 also if Barry's tries to save his mother including in the comics and show the future will be changed like even if he saves her the time dislocations that he makes there changes the future and present meaning we can't have the main timelines never again both flashpoints in comics and show that he tried are different timelines from the original Barry timeline if her mother survived

Like arrow flashbacks

IKR

@UncleMikeNJ the show was terrible after season 4.

Yes!

It could be but I doubt it, this thawne already knows who the flash is though he forgot. The original thawne who turned himself into Harrison wells already says that the reason he got his speed was because he wanted to be just like the flash in the future. Matt’s thawne becoming the reverse flash would mean he has to be in the future first also this thawne is a time remnant and the timeline should already know the remnant’s fate, why save it if he was going to be the reverse flash all over again, he was saved twice.

how? they literally said this is the Thawne from legends, barry also said that when armageddon happened it erased thawne´s past so NO origin story

NAH...As The Tom's Thawne Said, When He Was Younger He Created, Invented Every Way Possible to Achieve Speed And He Did

Plus Whole Thawne History Got Erased Due To Armageddon And Eddie's Death So In Future there Is No Eobard Thawne To Create Speed Force machine And Making him RF all over again

Sword of the atom?

exactly what i was thinking when that black time guy appear

No it won’t end like that. It’ll end with Harrison wells reverse flash escaping, attempting to kill meena and then Barry talking down the harrison wells reverse flash. Because this show is terrible and all they ever do now is talk down the villain.

@@49HEALTH Sadly, that wouldn't surprise me these days. Lol That being said, if you remember, when Tom RV explains why he hates Barry, he says that it's because Barry saved the crowd that _he_ was meant to save. His whole reason for hating Barry is because Barry stole his thunder. He's _that_ petty. So, even though a _normal person's_ reaction is to be grateful, Thawne *isn't* a normal person. As a result, I wouldn't put it past him to become jealous of Barry, if Barry were to save Meena. Keep in mind that it is also canon that Eobard Thawne initially idolized Flash and part of what drove him to creating the negative speed force and ultimately becoming the RF was disovering that he could never be the Flash and was instead destined to become the Flash's nemesis. Perhaps, the crowd that Tom RF referred when he talked about the crowed that _he_ was "meant to save" (but was saved by Barry) is part of an attempt to woo Meena; and that is part of what makes Thawne so angry. Another thing that just occurred to me is that upon deciding to devote a his life to becoming his opposite, to destroying the Flash, and taking on the mantle of the _Reverse Flash,_ Thawne doesn't refer to the artificially-developed source of his speed as the _Reverse_ Speed Force, after himself, as one would expect from someone as arrogant as Thawne is. He calls it the _Negative_ Speed Force. What if he calls it the NSF because that's the name he first heard used for it...from Barry. It would actually fit the paradoxical nature of the character perfectly. We are watching the origin of the Reverse Flash and how Barry unwittingly _creates_ him, just as Thawne _intentionally_ created the Flash in season 1 with the particle accelerator. Thus, we come full circle.

@@truerealrationalist the cw is not capable of that kinda nuance tho

@@SkunkLifeMedia Oh, yeah. They'll totally screw it up.

Makes sense as she did call flash avatar of the speedforce and saying that the real her was gone into the machine lighting that may be negative speedforce itself talking showing somewhat of thawne personality phasing hand and red eyes and with the negative speedforce gone to sky like the other forces were born and Armageddon it might be taking over other forces like Deon acting like thawne when betraying Barry and helping thanwe and he says we not me or I as also reflecting on Thawne personality and how long thanwse had the nagative speedforce and as he created powered by his anger and hatred becoming apart of the force ifself it may try and replace Nora speedforce and make the othe forces her. Family going back to older season style Barry and Nora alone against them Barry might lose speed might not as all forces working together lead to his current speed lvl and having maybe this thanwse get speed too even temperory and helping fight his reverse counterpart maybe changing him or merging and becoming one good guy with more power and skill or something leaving to him becoming flash museum curator and so forth

@@fireredninja9320 she also said her goal was to destroy the flash

@@tbnrprimestudios1232 exactly what thawne would want and he created the nagative one and how long hes been using it may have become more sentient and wants to serve his wish may want to get back to him might be why Deon is breaking him out and what's controling Deon

yo the speed force (or the negative speed force) is not a symbiote

@@saminahsan477 They kind of are, they do live in symbiosis to their avatars, and have a sentient will of their own, as shown with the speed force itself. So in a way, they are. But not like the Venom symbiote which is actually more like a parasite, it's that brock lets it feed on other things so it doesn't feed on him like those symbiotes normally would for sustenance.

More than likely he gone die, they always kill off the wrong people, just like they killed the old guy who was apart of firestorm

Its going to be cancelled by next season like the rest of the cw Verse

I mean Thawne still has to go back in time to kill Barry's mom and that was during a crisis in 2024. It's currently 2022 right now so...

So Reverse Flash would be a part of Team Flash. It’ll end where it began.

@@Jay-cy3wt makes since 💯, I guess they’ll show the reason why he hates the flash

But she’s had powers for a year

Well yeah, but maybe she hadn’t connected to the negative speed force yet. Their machine draws natural lighting from the upper atmosphere and that’s how she got her speed all this time. One day the negative speed force merged with the electricity in the atmosphere and their machine picked up on it

So pretty much the Negative Speed Force was just looking for someone to connect to

I am hoping that Allegra and Chester start dating next season. Hoping they get involved romantically though. I am still waiting for them to confess their feelings for each other. I thought they were going to kiss just by see there emotions. Are they officially together?

Well thawne may not even truly know himself since he's insane, if he used to be good before he could have versions of himself that are good. But since he's insane he has distanced himself from his sane version and doesn't view it as the real him

​@@aliyuals6709 not a relatable comment dude this show is all about Flash and Thawne+speedsters rivalry. meanwhile Allegra and Chester love story doesn't add much to the main story but Cisco and Caitlyn's story added so much value but writers fuckin removed cool nicknamer from the show.

@@chirag47 I am hoping that Allegra and Chester start dating next season. Hoping they get involved romantically though. I am still waiting for them to confess their feelings for each other. Is Allegra and Chester going to be officially together next season Hoping they kiss

@@aliyuals6709 just friends with benefits 👌👀

Nope. Lot was toogoodtobe part of this horrible shared verse. It would get crossover what was the worst thing happening to the show

nah it was a mess to watch

@@Wolverine.925 still infinitely better than The toilet Flush, Supergay and Louise, starvag*na

But the Thawne storyline was really good in the last season. I don't think it would matter whatever the Legends were doing because CW have made up their mind.

@@vecnahenrycreel1300 Supergirl became too woke.

there's a high chance that this is the last time we're seeing ray

no, this is not a younger Thawne. are you guys actually paying attention? this Thawne was good WITH HIS MEMORIES. so if he gets his memories back he will not turn evil. what about that are yall not getting? just pay attention

@@sakaririchard8810 No He does not remember his past self/the on that was erased were u not listening ?

Probably not, his origin does not match his counterpart at all. Odds are powerless Thawne will kill him.

@@assassinsknight Hm maybe yea but if this good Thawne does turn evil it;d be a cool way to have Matt back as Reverse Flash and we see this versions downfall into hating barry then he is in the rest of the show

this is not his origin story, the episode made that very clear

i mean were talking about a series where you gotta watch like 5 shows at once to get the full story they even showed clips from season 7 of legends to show thats the case dont get me wrong i like ever growing universes for stories like this as much as the next guy but if i have to watch 7 shows at once for 1 story your doing it wrong heck at least with marvel the majority of the story is in the movies and the disney plus shows just started this but there not as long as cw dc

That’s probably because it’s more of a theory than an explanation. They don’t 100% _know_ how/why this is happening, and are guessing based on out of context information (always the trouble with Speed Force & Speed Force accessories).

Frfr

@@nescomadethis6058 now all she needs is a formidable advisory who rivals her abilities to fight against i know there’s top but she is in custody. I 💭 who that woman in white was that was observing her

It would be nice to see Allegra and Chester get involved romantically though

@@aliyuals6709 Another mixed race relationship, cw sure loves them.

i think that She Is Top

That’s the truth. Even if others don’t think so. It’s not like him and Iris.

or maybe It was Top again

Is it me or she looks fine in that leather

@@alexplays_roblox1k373 She does tho

Speaking of which was that Vertigo watching her?

@@vinceunknown1935 I thought it was Esper

@@vinceunknown1935 I think so but wasn't she brain dead after despero fried her brain

Nate left

Nate left before the Legends got trapped

Ahhh ok 👍 thanks for the reminder

The original timeline doesn’t exist anymore

Yeah

In an universe where a speedster dressed in yellow is erased and returns, invasions from another planet and worlds happened, the living embodiement of the Speed Force lived with Barry and, finally, Ray's team colleague, Oliver, died and then returned to reset the Multiverse, thinking that a person revived because the universe liked him is not farfetched.

@@Oliveiraverde Sure, it tracks. I'm just saying, I would expect for scientists to be a little more curious and analytical than to greet it with a shrug.

Unless they are tricking us into thinking its flashpoint thawne then it wont be, the only version of thawne that exists is paradoxs version, original thawne doesnt know meena seemingly because she was supposed to die

They should have had a better ending or come back. To leave it the way they have is poor storytelling.

@@ianhirst1148 I agree.

I think they will continue that storyline just like they continued Diggle's.

@@Oliveiraverde impossible

@@wc4606 It is only a matter of time.

It did come out

@@Popoff.indigo what?

@@lazerwitdextah same I don’t see anything

Ahahah thanks

guys...PAY ATTENTION. watch 1:50 on. Ray Palmer literally explains that this is the Flashpoint Thawne. the Flashpoint Thawne was turned good by the timewraiths after he got erased by the Black Flash, which is the "Legends Thawne", and he still had his memories. so even if this Thawne got his memories back, he would not be evil. basically what I'm saying is, this is not an "origin story" for Thawne.

He can still some out from time to time but he would need zari and her brother

@@JustAStronzoOnYT exactly. So...how did he have drinks with Ray? Was this before the absolutely unnecessary finale of Legends S7?

@@calsh14 it’s after. nick and zari come out the totem every once in a while and nick would probably go see ray

OMG, if they did that one of the Thawnes will become the real Negative Reverse-Flash

looks exactly like Top though

@@aiasx probably top

that girl don't like look frost or top

it's not a movie

They got canceled

Oh and they’re in a time prison