Let's Test! Vanquish Products VS4-10 Phoenix Portal Review

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The Vanquish Products VS4-10 Phoenix Portal is an engineering marvel. Adjustable overdrive (OD) in the front, DIG in the rear, ultra-stiff chassis and a hobbyist-friendly price. This thing should set some new records on our test course! ...right?
Well, maybe. There are a few issues. As always, we'll get it onto the 6-problem course and then any design shortcomings will make themselves known.
Let's test!
In this series:
Part 1 - Introducing the VS4-10: • Let's Test! Vanquish P...
Part 2 - I Made It Worse: • Aw Snap! Vanquish VS4-...
Part 3 - Fixing the Track: • Better Crawling for $0... (this video)
See our write-up for more detail: rc-tnt.com/rc-crawler-reviews...
Vanquish Products VS4-10 website: www.vanquishproducts.com/vs4-...
Correction on axle weights: I've trimmed a few seconds from the crawl debrief, where I mentioned wanting brass tubes inside the axle housings. The VS4-10 does actually come with these in the kit and I did install them! Just forgot that during that little chat in the debrief! Credit to YoShImUrA53 for picking up on that little error!
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Electronics I've Used:
HH SHV500V3 12v Servo
2x WP5323LV Servos
WP-1060 ESC
FS-A6 Receiver
HH 40T 3-Pole 540 Motor
(not 5 pole, as I stated in the review)
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Chapters:
0:00 Vanquish VS4-10 Phoenix
0:46 Vanquish Quality
1:07 VS4-10 Interior & Body
1:22 Vanquish VFD Transmission
1:57 VS4-10 Paint
2:41 Phoenix Build Problems
4:14 Vanquish Phoenix Electronics
6:22 Vanquish DIG Demo
6:43 VS4-10 Radio Setup
7:35 Vanquish Phoenix Shocks
7:45 VS4-10 Assembly
7:55 Shafts & Geometry
8:05 VS4-10 Plastic Quality
8:17 Phoenix Body Mounting
8:59 VS4-10 Crawl Test
21:36 Body Damage
22:05 VS4-10 Tires
22:28 Crawl Test Debrief
24:44 Closing Thoughts
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@Socalnik66 2 жыл бұрын

The only thing I didn’t like about putting this truck together was when it was time to assemble the shocks. Vanquish really failed on the shock/spring collars. I replaced them with Trx4 shock collar. They threaded on tight but still does the job. Other than that. It’s a solid truck. This truck is so hard to find in the US. It is sold out everywhere. When I found out that one of the largest hobby shops had the last one. I went on a road trip and drove nine hours each way to snatch up the last one. It was well worth it.

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Whoa! 9 hours each way! That really is keen! Glad you've got it together, then. Enjoy!

@Socalnik66 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks to your video, I just learned about a second E clip I missed in the transmission assembly. I too have had my Phoenix finished for the past few weeks cause I’ve been busy running and upgrading my Scx6. Tomorrow I will be tearing into my Phoenix trans to add the E clip. This my first Vanquish truck. Really don’t want to get this piece of art dirty. But eventually I will have too. This has to be my favorite little truck. Thank you for your content.

@madsrcbuggy 2 жыл бұрын

It's a cool truck, I like it. I seen a few videos with it by now, I think you're the most honest about its weaknesses, of course your problems reveal the truth. It'll be nice to see how good you can make it. I forgot to comment this earlier, but it's so nice seeing your dog in the clips, very cute! Have a good one there, Craig!

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Aw, thank you! Tully's an old doggo now, it's nice to have her in as many of these as I can. Glad you enjoyed the video and got something out of it. I'll follow up with another sometime soon. I'm sure we can get this over all 6. Cheers

@jeffsrcchannel2191 2 жыл бұрын

Coolest thing I've seen in a while, love it.

@IdiotSavantRC Жыл бұрын

Just snatched one up in a black Friday flash sale. I love how you described the conceptualizing issue. I'm dyslexic and do everything backwards 4 times before doing it correctly. Very well said.

@RCTNT Жыл бұрын

Thank you. Enjoy the build, this one has grown on me! I hope you get much enjoyment from yours.

@keldonator 5 ай бұрын

What was the price you got it for?

@RCTNT 5 ай бұрын

If you're asking me, it was $634.89 USD, shipped. Purchased at first release, late October 2021. If you're asking the other guy, can't help you there!

@keldonator 5 ай бұрын

@@RCTNT Yea I was wondering what deal he got on Black Friday sale. Now they are $380 usd here in the states. I'd only want the axles and transmission and it's almost the same price to buy those separately...

@RCTNT 5 ай бұрын

I figured but at least we both have a frame of reference for pricing over time now! It was a bit eye wateringly expensive at release, which is why I was a little disappointed about the tires and its general crawling ability. But the platform has matured and there are some great comp rigs bombing around on the platform now, so we all just needed some time to get our heads around tuning it, I think. Happy hunting.

@NoLimitRC87 2 жыл бұрын

Been waiting for you to do this video and must say it didn't disappoint not 1 bit big big like 😉 this my next rig for sure

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome! I'm sure we'll get it up to '6-Problem Spec' soon enough. Thanks for your comment!

@666impreza666 2 жыл бұрын

Great review. Hell of a beauty the Phoenix.

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Certainly pretty and certainly solid!

@HBGEB 2 жыл бұрын

Great video beautiful rig.

@hellorc7678 2 жыл бұрын

Gonna need to get caught up on your vids. Been busy around here. I don't think I've had a chance to congratulate you on 1000. Nice job and keep it up

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much! Plenty going on here, yep! Good to hear from you :)

@andrewrichey7374 2 жыл бұрын

Yes it is a beauty, awesome paint job you did, like how you did the orange on the inside of the back fenders

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I like how it came up too!

@radieroslaw 2 жыл бұрын

Packed with fancy features but still has to kneel before TRX-4 Sport KIT. Thank you for the review.

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Lol that's definitely one perspective that I can't argue, on the face of it. Lol, fair call.

@tiborbeetles1882 2 жыл бұрын

Nice review and colour, looking forward to building mine up. Got a 2800kv Axe for mine with the same servo as you 👍

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Nice electronics choices! Enjoy!

@andrewrichey7374 2 жыл бұрын

That’s all you need enough to get the battery out, I love my pro I’ve had a couple years now. Love the get me a phoenix, I’m hoping by summertime, appreciate your sharing I’ll be following for more. This is the beauty of this hobby yeah I love it

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

It's a brilliant truck. Thanks for the positive comments today, I appreciate it! You're going to love this truck, I'm sure :)

@shoky11TV 2 жыл бұрын

I’ll be watching this space….Phoenix will be my next rig for sure. Looking forward to seeing you iron out it’s initial rock-crawling short-comings. Interesting that an (almost) stock TRX4 with portals is so capable….low down weight is a key factor like you mentioned:) Until then I’ll be enjoying my TRX4 with ‘Samix’ goodness down low’ - Holmes SVH800 on order 👌👌 Another great and honest video Craig - you’re 6 problems are exposing more weaknesses than many other ‘Phoenix praise’ videos I’ve seen. Don’t get me wrong….it’s a great rig…but in standard form….it’s more of a trail rig….for now😈😈

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Mark. I hope Vanquish stakeholders see this for the constructive criticism that it is. It's a lovely rig, but as tested, it's a well made, tricked-out trail toy. Like you, I hope to see it conquer the problems soon! Glad you're enjoying your TRX4, meantime!

@rcflashcars 2 жыл бұрын

cool vid! big like!!👍👍👍

@Socalnik66 2 жыл бұрын

I’m glad I ran into you video. I think missing a second E clip. The one that you had drawn a circle. My truck has been built for the past few weeks but never ran yet. Cause I have been running and upgrading my Scx6. I’m tearing my Phoenix trans apart tomorrow to add the E clip. Thank you for your info

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Ah awesome! Glad to be of service :) I have good hopes for this machine. Just needs some tweaking to unlock its potential. Tis a lovely truck!

@davew1285 2 жыл бұрын

I have ordered the alu motor and bearing plates , the alu standoffs as well as the incision driveshafts. The tyres on Incision Roswells are OK, but i will probably upgrade these at some point , maybe to Jconcept landmines or PL BFGoodrich. I will also get the machined gear set when released, this should tighten up the transmission. There is a lot of potential there, but with portals it will always be best suited to trailing rather than rock crawling.

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

That all sounds like a solid plan!

@Kaotic_Kill3r Жыл бұрын

If anyone can help me out, new to RC world. What is the multi slot cable extender allowing the receiver to be place rear of the vehicle? It is shown at time 5:08

@RCTNT Жыл бұрын

G'day Mike, I just cable tied a few 15cm extension leads together. Search your favourite online or local hobby store for: Futaba Male to Female (or M-F) Servo Lead Extension Cables Like this: a.aliexpress.com/_mqnFMUU

@lstruggy 10 ай бұрын

U think if u had the straight axle edition u wouldn’t have tipped over as much?

@RCTNT 10 ай бұрын

Yep. But that break over would have been even worse, which I think is the most challenging element to address on this rig. Thankfully, I think we got it solved in the subsequent videos. I've since had people give me advice here to address this issue, where I'm pretty sure I was the first one to work it out and share with the world, haha! Full circle, thanks youtube :p But yeah you might find the new straight axle edition needs the same treatment if they are using the same shock and link length. Dunno yet, haven't gotten my hands on one!

@Andy_Yates 2 жыл бұрын

I'm excited to see the progression on this one with you. I've been collecting parts needed for this kit since I got attracted by it's shiny features lol :). Are we hearing the Holmes servo there? Is it that noticeable in person? I've had my eye on that SHV500. The local guys I met were also recommending the NSDRC servos too (their RS1 looks absolutely bananas on BEC power). I know I just installed it, but I pulled out that dig transmission and put the Sendero Stealth back in with the 11% OD to try. You were using that front-wheel drive just like I was, letting the rear freewheel but not applying power to upset the wheel placement. I'm determined to try C2 when one of the clubs holds an event near me and felt I could use more practice without the extra help :)

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

The Holmes servo is noticeable but not crazy loud like some of them. There's usually a trade off and these things are truly well made so for me, it's a fair exchange. There's a follow up video to this that'll publish on Friday or so. There's more to do on this rig yet. Much potential, but it isn't perfect. Not that I'm complaining! Just means more hobby work to do. Twist my arm...

@Andy_Yates 2 жыл бұрын

@@RCTNT Looking forward to it! Really appreciate your time giving me suggestions and advice as well

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

@@Andy_Yates its a pleasure to talk with you here and to hear what you're up to, Andy :)

@royhopkins6197 2 жыл бұрын

It's a great looking crawler....and I'm sure you will defeat all 6 problems when you fix the front and add some weight....

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@dominic9279 2 жыл бұрын

That is kick ass

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Right onto it! Thanks :)

@warren6814 2 жыл бұрын

How would you compare the Phoenix vs the Ecto or Sendero?

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Haven't seen an Ecto in person before. The Phoenix is a high quality rig and everything is solid. However, the less solidly made Sendero can outcrawl the Phoenix if both are in stock form. I have yet to test this idea, but modding them both to perform better, I think the Sendero would still outcrawl the Phoenix. And yet, if I could only have one, I really quite like the Phoenix. It isn't an ideal trail rig, with its live axles and single speed transmission. It isn't an ideal crawler, with its lousy tires and high center of gravity. But it is special. Value for money and amazing crawling out if the box, the Sendero wins between these two (and the GS02F is worthy of consideration also, if looking at cracking good crawling ability).

@warren6814 2 жыл бұрын

@@RCTNT thanks a ton for your insights! Been thinking of the sendero kit for a while but I saw a guy take a stock Ecto (it’s really a gatekeeper, with a different body) and do great with a bit of extra weight.

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

@@warren6814 no worries! Anything on the Enduro platform with 1.9" wheels / doesn't have IFS is a great performer out of the box. Minor tweaks and you have a weapon.

@danweiss4928 2 жыл бұрын

Nice paint job. Beautiful rig. But you would think all the money that truck cost they would fix the manual ASAP. Unfortunately it’s small things like that that turns me off certain companies! I have a mechanical background and my service manuals were so important..

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

They have been releasing corrections but yes, doco is king for so many things.

@davew1285 2 жыл бұрын

the corrected manual is already available to download from the vp website, and later batches will contain the corrected version.

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

@@davew1285 I covered this on the video, yep. I'm sure they'll update it again to correct this issue. Just telling people about it because it's currently an issue. I put the link in the description when I uploaded the video, so that's everything covered, I think!

@mattmays9063 2 жыл бұрын

This truck seems to have a lot of promise. I will say one minor detail that I noticed was (and I can't stand when tire makers do this) is you cannot get symmetrical grip. They basically sell you a directional tire fitted for one side and just slap em on both sides.

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Haha, yes! The reversible tire tread - it makes sense and keeps the cost down, so we can't complain too much! But like you, I'm a sucker for symmetry on my donuts. The Micky T Baja Claws are one of the greats I've loved since they released so many years ago. There are quite a few out there that look great and work really well, but hey, I'm happy to have such vast choice and price range - we do have it pretty good, eh? Thanks for the thought, Matt - I totally get you!

@gregoryduvall4758 2 жыл бұрын

Like the hyrax....not symmetrical...yet they work lol

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

@@gregoryduvall4758 the ground isn't symmetrical for the most part :p

@mattmays9063 2 жыл бұрын

@@gregoryduvall4758 Hyrax are amazing, but what makes them amazing is symmetry plays no part in their grip because they're not a directional tire.

@thundervalleycbshop6362 2 жыл бұрын

look up monster grip tire break in formula... its awesome

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting. I'll do that, thanks.

@thundervalleycbshop6362 2 жыл бұрын

@@RCTNT I use it on my crawlers and my drag cars To soften the rubber Tell him Jay sent you

@spencerstokoe99 2 жыл бұрын

others have found the narrow track makes it unstable on side hilling

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

That makes sense, but I've had better results with it narrow all round. Still, we're not done yet!

@Rc-Adventurers 2 жыл бұрын

I had some of the same issue. I like it now that it’s done but would never pay $800 for any of the other versions. Your gear mesh sounds tight..

@RCTNT 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I like it too. There's a lot of effort gone into this thing by Vanquish. I appreciate how special it is. Gear mesh is correct, close but free. Thanks for the suggestion, keep em coming. I do miss things sometimes!