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Ben Shapiro vs Destiny on the Middle East | Debate - Lex Fridman Podcast

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@LexClips 5 ай бұрын

Full podcast episode: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qr-il7Cbu77dfps.html Lex Fridman podcast channel: kzfaq.info Guest bio: Ben Shapiro is a conservative political commentator, host of The Ben Shapiro Show, co-founder of The Daily Wire, and author of The Authoritarian Moment and other books. Steven Bonnell, aka Destiny, is a liberal political commentator and a live streamer on KZfaq.

@anthonyharrell4547 5 ай бұрын

It's good to hear a conversation based off of differences in ideology rather than personal beefs and attacks

@DanielOrteez 5 ай бұрын

What sucks about this is that I have to constantly change the playback speed settings. Lower for Ben and Destiny, faster when Lex is speaking.

@kevinrussell7446 5 ай бұрын

Lex will grow into a big time debate moderator one day. He cares so much about humans solving the big problems and knows differing opinions need to talk to one another intelligently to achieve it. Huge fan.

@riverebec1 5 ай бұрын

I almost forgot he was there; but he knows when to chime in and out.

@AztecHouseLeveling 5 ай бұрын

I think you did a really good job having both of these people on. I like how both of them talk and offer different opinions.

@mikem4481 5 ай бұрын

low bar

@Jester343 5 ай бұрын

@@mikem4481 Not many do it anymore

@icantbelieveitsbutt3rs590 5 ай бұрын

They have literally the same opinions on everything, this isn't even a debate.

@markoniksic3630 5 ай бұрын

Destiny: I dont understand why we have so much hostage situations when passing bills and laws. Spoken like a true democrat.

@bigpapi6688 5 ай бұрын

“I don’t understand, guns are a gun free zone. How are there school shootings? Maybe we should ban all guns, that’ll stop the criminals!” -average dem. I actually like destiny compared to most people on the left, he seems like a dude who really cares about democracy and free speech, but there are some things that dems say where I can’t see how they don’t realize how foolish they sound

@johnkeros9109 5 ай бұрын

Ben stumped Destiny at the start, & won easy.

@AIRFGC 5 ай бұрын

need to see these two play "Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes" together, that's on my bucket list now

@malikjones2193 5 ай бұрын

Ben might have won the debate but Destiny won the doodling contest

@pieterkrajicek6983 5 ай бұрын

All I’m thinking during this great conversation/debate is how neither Trump or Biden could keep up with either of them🙄 yet those will be the two choices..

@markoniksic3630 5 ай бұрын

Its one thing to run your mouth and totally different to talk the talk and walk the walk. Both of these are the types to "council" and wage war but never be close to one.

@AIRFGC 5 ай бұрын

@@markoniksic3630 isn't Trump a draft dodger? 🤣

@mongoose890 5 ай бұрын

@@markoniksic3630what are you yapping about

@themagician2008 5 ай бұрын

@@AIRFGCThe bidens also are.

@AIRFGC 5 ай бұрын

@@themagician2008 wouldn't surprise me 🤷🏿‍♂️ thanks

@luyandamajoka-hq9sp 5 ай бұрын

2 minutes in and I've already learned more than in an hour of CNN

@michaeldoran4367 5 ай бұрын

Not the best people to learn from. But still better than CNN.

@r080486 5 ай бұрын

You’re learned a lot of selective facts and twisted facts to fill a certain narrative

@ether23-23 5 ай бұрын

@@robmoreno3094 Have anything to add, or just a simple "you're a dumbass" to whoever to you commented to, in typical youtube fashion?

@mpquin 5 ай бұрын

Just imagine of we had a single Presidential candidate over the last 8 years that had 10% of the knowledge and maturity of these two gentlemen?

@Hamsters0n 5 ай бұрын

The problem is that Iran was never under continuous pressure.. different US governments had different approaches towards Iran, in some cases polar opposite ones. For a ruthless totalitarian regime, surviving 4-8 years of limited economic sanctions isn’t much of a problem.. if the sanctions pressure would’ve been steady over the past 15-20 years most likely this regime would’ve been long gone.. but it’s the never ending problem of the west, analyzing the muslim world through a western prism, instead of swallowing the bitter pill which is that muslims view the world in a very different way than the west does.

@bigpapi6688 5 ай бұрын

Yes yes yes 100%. That’s my only problem with democracy. On some certain issues, 4-8 years simply isn’t enough time to see a plan through. You’d think Iran is an issue that should be bipartisan, but unfortunately not. Just as you said, the ideals and morals simply aren’t the same as those of the west. And no amount of concessions will take Iran from a tyrannical anti-human rights regime, to a liberal democracy that believes in the rights of average people

@scarra69 5 ай бұрын

This is actually a template for debates

@willbrink 5 ай бұрын

Ben has a much better handle and knowledge of the ME here and some just can't give Trump credit where it's due. TDS is a thing. It all seems to circle back to Iran, and they need to be dealt with in the only way they understand, waiting until they have nukes is a real bad idea... Everyone with a brain knows going into Iraq a second time was a massive failure of US policy, never should have happened. Also has nadda to do with Trump.

@gMan-kx3zy 5 ай бұрын

Cool because america has a divine right to so what they want in the world…I mean thank god they saved us from iraqs weapons of mass destruction

@sammy8749 5 ай бұрын

what is TDS? I’m not very informed on this issue so I’ve never heard that term before

@jodythomas4324 5 ай бұрын

It stands for Trump Derangement Syndrome. It’s typically reserved for people who feverishly hate Trump no matter what, which would be appropriate for the term. However, there are also plenty of people who are also Pro-Trump that suffer from TDS as well, albeit a different form.

@craigpoer 5 ай бұрын

@sammy8749 if not a joke. Trump is worse than hitler. Haha. The world was prefect before Trump.

@dank2171 5 ай бұрын

TRUMP DERANGEMEMT SYNDROME. Noun. The feeling and need to blame trump for everything bad and give him zero credit under his presidency. To become obsessed with trump as a scapegoat. Usually caused by too much MSNBC and CNN

@mgssf275 5 ай бұрын

Best Lex episode in a while. Love the format. Feel like Shapiro and Destiny are cringe by themselves, but somehow both at the same time is super interesting and feels like an actually valuable discussion. I think Lex should do more of this kind of thing. Bravo!

@mr.aldrich8977 5 ай бұрын

Ive watched the whole video. My biggest take away is how destiny has to take back many of his points after ben counters them. This debate is more about understanding the facts vs repeating talking points.

@Arthagnou 4 ай бұрын

its "a hard one" because he doesn't want to say "No"... some people/countries DONT want to be normalized, some people/countries dont just want to "get along"...Destiny suffers middleclass moderation issues. These people dont follow the Golden Rule.

@ministerexharme 5 ай бұрын

Eesh. I thought Destiny would pull some wild Debate-Me-Bro tactics, but it seems he was good faith for the most part. I think Destiny struggled, because he doesn't disagree with a lot of what Shapiro said. Despite always talking about him like he is a real life villain.

@wilsonsanabia4259 5 ай бұрын

That used to be the case, but he has warmed up to Ben recently, he's always praising the DW as an organization and how it uses it's talent

@bigpapi6688 5 ай бұрын

Yeah it really seemed like they agree on a lot of the stuff discussed, but they were going into this with a debate mindset, and so they actually tried to find nuances to disagree with just because they were surprised how much they agreed on😂

@stpedro-ht9ng 2 ай бұрын

There was firm disagreement in the Jan 6th part.

@danielsemhan8302 5 ай бұрын

War is a bipartisan policy unfortunately…

@JarodShapiro 5 ай бұрын

Yep both parties want it.

@drewtokarsky3917 4 ай бұрын

This debate is so much more enjoyable when viewed at 0.75 playback.

@jayblaze7668 5 ай бұрын

LEX PLEASE KEEP THIS FORMAT!!!!! MOVING FORWARD THERE IS NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN BRING OPPOSING IDEAS FACE TO FACE. you ever had an argument with an X over the phone and you get no where ....but for some reason face to face you figure it out. food for thought

@lebronjamesharden3958 5 ай бұрын

Give that man a new water bottle! Cmon Lex!

@anzyroadside2374 5 ай бұрын

I don't understand how being economic partners equates to being in friendly terms. China and Taiwan have trade relationships with each other but they still have military tensions. Ukraine exported a lot of grain to Russia before it got invaded. Trade isn't an absolute shield nor a proof of friendship. Believing the opposite is naivety to the highest.

@craigpoer 5 ай бұрын

All our astronauts have gone to space with Russia for years

@bigpapi6688 5 ай бұрын

Yeah I can’t remember which president started it, I know Obama took it to a crazy level, but there used to be an idea that global trade and free markets would lead to world peace because everyone would be relying on each other. And unfortunately, that’s just been proven wrong. I don’t know why there are still people out there who rely on this for world peace. Peace comes through strength. Not trade.

@riverebec1 5 ай бұрын

These are two very articulate informed big brains; however, Shapiro clearly wins in the moral clarity category. Destiny comes off as just very cynical and almost smug in his analysis.

@bc2647 5 ай бұрын

Why is no one talking about US military expansion in that region?

@themagician2008 5 ай бұрын

Man, Destiny has "grown'' a lot since I last saw him. Listens better and ACTUALLY has info.

@JjJj-kv7wu 5 ай бұрын

Hes started taking politics more seriously since he got adhd meds

@benjamindoverfield6973 5 ай бұрын

Ben Shapiro: the faster I talk the more sense you think I make and know what I'm talking about

@saltomanga 5 ай бұрын

Watchable at .5 or .75 speed

@Music-xp5wg 5 ай бұрын

Lol i watch at 1.25

@gypsykang7545 5 ай бұрын

It's really hard listening to this debate as white noise when I am playing something since both have the same chipmunk voice.

@howdareyou41 3 ай бұрын

poor guy the free content isn't exactly how you like it

@leveenntt Ай бұрын

idk but i was fine listening to it. I talk very quickly too though, so maybe I'm just used to it

@Hughmonte 5 ай бұрын

Good men thinking through things is the way. Love my brothers in concentrated kind and peaceful intelligent thought. I'd make these men a great meal. Great show great Job Friedman too.. Love Ben and Destiny too. Destiny is advanced as is Ben obviously. A great example of how we can learn from opposite spectrum opinion and lesson. Peacefully. Key word. 'peacefully.

@daveSoupy 5 ай бұрын

Don’t mind me. Just trying to peak at the gear Lex is using.

@alan_whoneedstiedye 5 ай бұрын

Information debate

@JarodShapiro 5 ай бұрын

What the F was Destiny thinking debating Mr.Shapiro

@Immerteal 5 ай бұрын

At 30:20 shapiro states that russia would have stopped its war in exchange for donetsk, luhansk and crimea. Does anyone have a source on that? To my understanding russia has a key interest in keeping vast parts of saporischschja and kherson to maintain their landbridge to crimea.

@rngesus6472 5 ай бұрын

They wanted those places because their close to the Russian border & are ethnic Russians. They tried to annex them in 2014 & they denied it & a coup happened that's when Russia seized Crimea. That's when the war started. So Ukraine bombed that region killing like 15.000 people so Russia stepped in to defend them. When they went back to Ukraine a few years back the people were cheering as the Azov military were hiding out in their towns putting tanks beside their houses & Russia was bombing them by mistake. That's why went in to take those places back.

@Immerteal 5 ай бұрын

@@rngesus6472 sounds like russian propaganda but idc. I know that russia wants luhansk donetsk but they also want to keep crimea which as far I know will be long term impossible without the land bridge.

@craigpoer 5 ай бұрын

So true. Even if the facts suck

@Sleepyboiwonder 5 ай бұрын

Ben talks like if the audio is being sped up

@elijahjohnston-ligesha 5 күн бұрын

Shapiro is the only person who can debate Destiny!

@tompava3923 5 ай бұрын

Both of these individuals are quite emblematic of the circus that is politics today. We need to get away from these “dig in the heels and hold tightly to your precious positions“ tactics. Narrow minds and big mouths go together too easily.

@kaleb5426 5 ай бұрын

I would rather have people discuss like this and maybe get somewhere instead of silencing one side or the other. If people were this calm no matter the situation it would help on many different levels

@juanlongoria4827 5 ай бұрын

Destiny does layers and layers on research on complex issues, and routinely scrutinizes his own political beliefs and politics in order to arrive at a nexus of truth. In what way is this “dig in the heels and hold tightly to your precious positions tactics?” Most of the discussion was earnest and disagreement was often rooted in ideological approaches to social issues. Be smarter

@tompava3923 5 ай бұрын

@@juanlongoria4827 This was in no way evident during this segment. They argue like pre adolescents. How telling that you got to "sting" me at the end there.

@bardol359 5 ай бұрын

Destiny is emblematic to holding down to your positions? If you don't know shit about him maybe don't insult him?

@therealscifi 5 ай бұрын

Destiny was wildly unprepared for the foreign policy portion of the debate. Ben got away with insane misrepresentations.

@Arioniks 5 ай бұрын

@@dsn1460 ???

@KarazolaX 5 ай бұрын

@@dsn1460 It's usually just cope for a bad performance in a debate. A way to preserve your own way of thinking, even if it gets argued down by the person you disagree with.

@bardol359 5 ай бұрын

Can you maybe tell us what those misrepresentations are? 😂

@AIRFGC 5 ай бұрын

source: trust me, bro

@eniooliveira9196 5 ай бұрын

9:30 "There's this farfetched notion in foreign policy circles that diplomacy can sort of be wish cast out of thin air, that if you sit around a table you can always come to an agreement with somebody." Ben holds this notion about Putin, though.

@tucosalamanca4478 5 ай бұрын

Who watches this? I couldn't listen to this for 3 minutes.

@genecrosby3776 5 ай бұрын

Tantura (2022)

@-negative-8824 5 ай бұрын

What’s the difference between outsourcing the end goal in Ukraine and in Israel Ben? A fan of yours but seems inconsistent rhere

@ELWi81 5 ай бұрын

👍 like gentkemen. Blessings

@brendoncole 5 ай бұрын

Poor Lex couldn't get a word in. Lol

@mikem4481 5 ай бұрын

0:19

@kevingonzalez3673 5 ай бұрын

Destiny has to think about it too hard

@jodythomas4324 5 ай бұрын

1000% he’s knowledgeable on some topics but he’s clearly out of his league here and it shows.

@DidYouKnowHistory89 5 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, it seems that Destiny is a bit uninformed in this discussion. I'm no fan of Obama either, but it is important to immediately highlight the assassination strike against the Iranian general Soleimani under Trump that directly affected the US and heightened tensions like crazy. I'm not saying any of the things that Shapiro said is wrong too, but let's not make it seem that it was kumbaya in the ME during Trump's presidency.

@alejandroericklazarte 5 ай бұрын

Destiny has matured so much, it wouldn't surprise me if he turns some sort of conservative five years from now

@ObniMan 5 ай бұрын

Love is the answer.....

@michaelhartford8464 5 ай бұрын

This shows how easy a Republican can fall out their own and how a liberal can never call out their own side for anything, even when oresses

@Sheerstress 5 ай бұрын

Great overall discussion. Ben had more knowledge than Destiny, but I thought this showed how Ben's objective in these meetings is not necessarily to beat down the other opponent. Sure, if they come out swinging and name-calling, he's more than capable of responding in kind, but if they want to have a discussion that might move toward common ground, that's how interactions like this develop.

@alvarocast037 2 ай бұрын

Nothing interesting about a debate with a IQ difference so wide. I know Destiny is the guy to debate whatever, but this was like brain calistenia. At least he didn’t got destroyed as he did with Jordan Peterson, but was basically on Ben manners

@bc2647 5 ай бұрын

I wish they would have discussed 9/11

@johndalton8839 5 ай бұрын

So... I'm the only one who came over from Anti Prophet?

@michaelthompson1846 9 күн бұрын

What this debate highlights is the hubris of Americans when discussing international events. One side believes that America is responsible for everything good that happens or ever has happened, while the other says that America is responsible for everything bad that happens or ever has happened. Good lord you're one country, with very limited influence outside of the western world. The American president isn't even the most powerful, important or influential American, in America. Obama, Trump or Biden, are not especially significant figures in regards to large scale international events, and their decisions have next to nothing to do with whether ISIS was defeated or not, or whether Iran will egg on Hamas and Hezbollah to poke the bear of Israel.

@malachi487 3 ай бұрын

This is what adderall sounds like.

@frankcastle447 5 ай бұрын

Jesus christ need change speed to 0.5 these twos mouths are like Usain bolt

@MemeNutsDeez 5 ай бұрын

Why did I first read Ben Shapiro owned?

@abreacts7563 5 ай бұрын

Bc he did get owned

@ee7228 5 ай бұрын

For Ben Shapiro containment of Iran is euphemism for hostility and antagonising.

@davidhoffman2311 5 ай бұрын

Fair, I thought him saying that was a bit wild but still think he did about equal throughout the rest of the debate despite a few slip-ups like that here and there.

@dfmrcv862 5 ай бұрын

Keeping Iran from funding terrorist is antagonizing them now?

@user-yr5xf7ih5g 5 ай бұрын

Ever get the idea that Shapiro makes it up as he goes along? I sure do

@jaid2383 5 ай бұрын

He's lying or dead wrong about Syria. Assad did not use chemical weapons against his people. It was so-called rebels aka ISIS and the chemicals were given to them by the UK. Assad using chems was debunked by journalist Aaron Maté.

@MisterMonsterMan 5 ай бұрын

In what way do you get the impression that Ben is making it up as he goes along, which is actually pretty impressive if you ask me, and Destiny doesnt make it up as he is going along? What is the big difference in terms of this conversation?

@user-yr5xf7ih5g 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for answering back. I like to give concrete examples so you can go back and rewind the tape. ( please don’t take my word for this). Right before the last midterms, Mr Shapiro predicted a “ Red Wave”. Because of his “ right to life” agenda, he fails to realize it hat people, especially women, don’t like giving up a choice, especially from the incompetent male lawmakers. This is a fact as polls bear out this fact.

@prizz3175 5 ай бұрын

It's called having a bias. People can't hold two opposing opinions in their minds without exploding. It's usually always somewhere in the middle

@ministerexharme 5 ай бұрын

@@MisterMonsterMan He's a Destiny fan. That is the difference.

@lerlo 5 ай бұрын

His name is destiny?

@caffeinated936 5 ай бұрын

nah its steve

@johnmachter40 5 ай бұрын

@@caffeinated936who is he even? Why giving him a platform?

@caffeinated936 5 ай бұрын

debator and hes giving him a platform bcos hes smart@@johnmachter40

@outofbody6797 5 ай бұрын

ahhh destiny. ironic name.

@TheAngryBadger3 5 ай бұрын

Destiny is so beta it's painful to listen to.

@kevinrussell7446 5 ай бұрын

Whatever Ben. If Trump was president now you'd be blaming Obama for allowing the Middle east to devolve into the current situation. And defending Trump for not having great options to deal with it. Hamas certainly didn't care who the American president was when they attacked Israel. Stop playing games and admit EVERY president does some good things and bad things during their term. So sick of the partisanship on BOTH sides.

@MommaBirdd 5 ай бұрын

Destiny is such a tribalist with no understanding of the current Iranian regime and when and how they came to power.

@aaronsakhai 5 ай бұрын

0 rocket attacks during the Trump presidency.

@johnmachter40 5 ай бұрын

But hundreds of drone attacks, more than ever before

@aaronsakhai 5 ай бұрын

@@johnmachter40 You must have Trump confused for Obama. More drone attacks than any presidency. Look it up. Maybe check before running your mouth.

@MoTHFC 4 ай бұрын

The lies and propaganda is astonishing to hear coming from these 2😂

@mariogomez4864 5 ай бұрын

Destiny chill the fuck out 😂

@aitortugas17 5 ай бұрын

I truly find it insane how much of a bully America is as a nation, the fact that you consider other countries stability as an outcome of your national politics is foreign to me. Lex, I love your podcast and deeply appreciate your work ❤. Didn't particularly enjoyed this one tho...

@tonydorsett33 5 ай бұрын

America is no different than any other world power in human history. You can even argue that the U.S pales in comparison to other dominant powers throughout history. This is how humans act when they are in power.

@AIRFGC 5 ай бұрын

you think it'd be better if economic superpowers were making decisions that affect the globe without concern for any other nation than their own? 🤔

@2Ezennia 5 ай бұрын

@@AIRFGCyes

@kimoErbz 5 ай бұрын

I have this unrealistic wish that one day, someone would consider what would happen in the middle east if there was a stop to the west imposing their framework all the time… Panarabic sentiment still persists, without CIA & other US/UK/France agents, this would be a quite prosper regional power already

@p.m.s2603 5 ай бұрын

Ah yes, prosperous middle east what a wonderful fairytale.

@rawjor 5 ай бұрын

you assume Russia will leave the ME alone, which is the main cause of destabilization of the area. Just like Russia moved into N. Korea immediately after WW2. Their Influence in China, Vietnam etc. Russia is the root cause of many issues all over the world and is literally the "bad guy" in this movie.

@IndoorNewb 5 ай бұрын

I miss this childlike view of the world! Back when I was like 12, I also thought that if everyone minded their own business peace would spread. Turns out though, that isn't actually how reality operates. In the actual world there are only two forms of conflict resolution, compromise and violence. No other way exist. Couple that with the reality that he who sits atop the power pyramid will ALWAYS dictate to those below, least he be removed and supplanted by the next one below. You don't actually live in a Disney movie. You live in nature. Be the lion.

@kimoErbz 5 ай бұрын

@@IndoorNewb to be honest I think you’re right. However, this Lion is in a cage and the jailors don’t even know why they are following Huntington’s doctrine… they just do it out of habit even though no one is coming to the shows anymore. Yet, it’s not worth it to pay good money to get the lion free either… all of that being said, the equilibrium would be that someone my pay to get the lion free as a ally but that’s a pipe-dream

@gdgrim 5 ай бұрын

I gained a lot of respect for Destiny in this debate. Took him for a complete leftoid loony before.

@mikem4481 5 ай бұрын

he is wtf he has massive TDS

@danecap3188 5 ай бұрын

😂 sweet sarcasm

@SciTrekker 5 ай бұрын

Cognitive Dissonance overload

@scoobasteve290 5 ай бұрын

He loves all people in the world, especially other men spending time with his wife.

@dylans7814 4 ай бұрын

I don’t speak this language wholly crap

@PinPointEnts 4 ай бұрын

The Palestine people will support Hammas now since their homes and friends have been killed. These 2 are the wrong people to talk about gaza

@steverobinson8771 5 ай бұрын

I love low-level, American, intellectual debate... everyone gives it their best 🤣

@ether23-23 5 ай бұрын

I love low-level youtube comments with a high dose of superiority complex

@SwinginMyHatchet 5 ай бұрын

Destiny was woefully unprepared for this… These 2 are in different categories/weight-classes. Destiny is more suited to debate people like Charlie Kirk or Candace Owens rather than heavy hitters like Ben. Not fair at all.

@nellythedog8443 5 ай бұрын

Two moped mouths

@r.l.strange1897 5 ай бұрын

Calling him destiny is cringe. He’s Steve 😂

@caffeinated936 5 ай бұрын

was abt to say that

@thomasmoss1066 5 ай бұрын

That guy talking to Ben has no idea of reality. Living in imaginary world

@jflowers513 5 ай бұрын

I can’t stand both of these guys

@Salsal-yd9ew 5 ай бұрын

Shapiro definitely has some psychological issues. Pay close attention to his facial expressions and eye movement, and the way he speaks. I guess you'll need more knowledge in the area to make any conclusions, but for someone who has seen and worked with lots of individuals in this field, this man is certainly not healthy.

@AtillaoftheWest 3 ай бұрын

Destiny claims Biden has great foreign policy 🙄 I don't think Shapiro is the one with mental problems

@LazyGoatYT 29 күн бұрын

@@AtillaoftheWest whats bad about bidens foreign policy compared to trump?