Brother, as a layman, I am so grateful for the courage and leadership of the Holy Orthodox Church. an ex-Anglican now happily Orthodox. (I know that's not what you mean by 'orthodox').

Nowhere to be found in my King James Bible.

@@marcokite Greetings from Holy Russia.

God bless you in this fight. And it is a fight and those on the other side are your enemies as they are enemies of Christs Cross

Ordaining women isn’t what god ordered. Jesus and holy spirit would be the same as god on that one.

Remind me where our Lord condemned single sex relationships?

2015 pew research found 67% of all christians worldwide think homosexuality should be accepted.

@@JohnGaleLondon55 Matthew 19:5-6 Not a condemnation but laid out plain and simple what our heavenly farther intended for us confirmed by our Lord the living word of God Jesus Christ.

@@vidarr7827 What has this got to do with it? Jesus was trying to answer a question from the Pharisees in relation to divorce - so of course his answer only mentions a man and a women. Why would he have engaged in a discussion on single sex relationships - something that certainly existed at the time and were as common in ancient cultures as they are today.

@@JohnGaleLondon55 why did you ask the question if not to open up a healthy discussion or simply have an answer? I wish to keep this respectful as I believe I have been. He also said. Those who have ears to hear let them hear. Some other verses if you are interested in exploring this further are 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and Romans 1:26-27. Peace be with you my friend.

There’s one in Stanley park (fountains way) Liverpool or even morcambe FCE.

I agree I was Anglican now Catholic thank goodness. I don’t even know what Rev Dan is talking about - what’s the issue exactly?

The CofE is just one church in the Communion. It is like the Synodal Way problem in Germany among the RCC. Since 2022, hundreds of thousands of Catholics left the Church. In that year 2.4% of German Catholics left in a single year and another 400K left last year. Ireland and Poland are seeing massive falls in Mass attendance as well. European Christianity as a whole is in crisis.

This is not just a problem in the Church of England. We do seem to be in the midst of the Great Apostasy, as predicted in the Sacred Scriptures, which will be a prelude to the End Times, apart from one thing. The Church in Africa is growing rapidly. It remains faithful to the Sacred Scriptures and to the Tradition of the Church. This was brought into sharp focus when Cardinal Fernandez tried to impose a piece of Jesuitic Casuistry on the Catholic Church - Fidicucia Supplicans, which could be read almost any way you wanted. When Cardinal Fernandez tried to assuage the African Bishops by explaining that the Church had not changed its teaching in any way, the African Bishops replied “Good - we are pleased to hear that the Church has not altered its teaching in any way, so we shall throw Fiducia Supplicans in the rubbish bin.” In the end, humiliated, Cardinal Fernandez had to grant the African Bishops a formal exemption from Fiducia Supplicans. However, both he and the Pope then went on to humiliate the African Bishops and Cardinal Sarah, by saying that Africans were simple people, of limited intellectual ability, still bound by their ancient tribal beliefs. Quite simply, that is not true. The ancient tribal beliefs of the African people included various sexual perversions, including homosexuality, polygamy, etc and they consider that there were set free from their former sinful lifestyles by the Christian Faith. It is they who now remain true to that Faith, which saved them from sin and it is those who brought them that Faith, the European missionaries, who have now abandoned that Faith. The history of salvation is full of such examples - those who were given the Faith rejected it and it was then taken from them and given to others. The Church will not die - it might die in parts of the world. The early Church was based in Asia Minor and North Africa - it has died out almost completely there, to be replaced by the Muslim Faith, but it then flourished in the former Pagan lands of Europe, and, as it dies out there, it will be passed on to the new people favoured by the Lord because of their simple faith and trust in him - the people of Africa and other poor parts of the world.

Hummm... Forgive me Rev. Dan the off-topic, but does really anyone thinks the Roman Catholic issues are smaller than the CofE ones? Really? Really???... Certainly the RCC has a more centralized way of governance and once they own their own state, they don't need to be accountable with a civilian Parliament. This is perhaps the biggest problem concerning CofE. Without UK's parliament approval they'd probably to lose some privileges. That's not our problem. We can to hide our problems for longer once the Pope acts quite like a absolute Monarch, even though the current one is quite critical of some aspects of a model he can't change by himself. That said our crisis is far large than CofE's one. First of all and like on many other aspects of our life, size matters. The RCC is simply the largest Christian body on earth! That said our problems couldn't be smaller than CofE's one. Practically impossible. Then there is the particulars on the smaller area scale: There's no institution losing as many individuals than the RCC at the moment at least on the Western developed countries, perhaps, but not limited, due to that horrendous worldwide pedo Priests scandal. The younger generations are leaving in droves and our Parishes are now being attended mostly by the oldsters, even on the rural areas. My own rural area Parish is basically 75+ on any given Sunday. At my late 40's I'm surely one of the 10 youngest regularly attending. A whole celibate male hierarchy is slowly but consistently imploding the institution from the inside, and that is not far more visible right now... Because really the younger people are leaving in larger droves year after year! If nothing would be done in some 25 years our Church will be done in most places like my own little village and even in most towns it will be reduced to the resisting Cathedrals and the odd resisting large mega Parish. Finally let me to make a friendly advice to all those unhappy "conservative" (whatever else may be) Anglicans: I will be extremely happy to receive you on the Catholic Faith, but make me a favor, please: Come because this is your new place on your Faith journey. Don't come as an escape to a problematic Faith elsewhere! Yes: I'm a Catholic but from time to time I feel the pain of our problems as well. There are no perfect worlds in this world. The RCC is not surely a perfect world as well! Keep your good Faith wherever you feel right... For your Faith, not to escape whatever problem maybe! Have a nice day!

@@sarahoakton1213 A 2015 found 70% of catholics think homosexuality should be acceted. It's 36% for evangelicals. 63% for mainline protestants 66% for orthodox. Looks like you should have become a bible thumper (35% of whom are obese (gluttons). Whens the last time you've heard a sermon about gluttony, alchohol abuse? Sex is very effective at controlling people. Autocracies have used this for ages.

The Orthodox Church is the church of the NT

A long long way. The rot became visible with the ordination of women.

@@albertito77 I think it predates that. There always was a rotten element in the make up of the C of E, the liberal establishment that John Stott tried to overcome with evanglicalism. You have always had this battle between those who take the bible seriously and those who don't and follow a wishy-washy kind of religious churchianity, devoid of the Spirit.

Investigate Holy Orthodoxy

Lgb… lifestyles are sinful as with anything else.

Children should be Homeschooled!

People who have been oppressed have difficulty empathizing with their oppressors.

​@@davidsprouse151 Thank you for that. While I get what you mean to a degree, and maybe I deserve to feel burdened with concern. But I obviously have no insight into what you personally have been through, it's important that the opressor/ oppressed narrative doesn't switch between sides as any form of "revenge" ,or else vicious cycle.of never-ending victimhood/ bullying can ensue. Also because I want to disagree well with somebody, I should respectfully still give them the space to say what they want and be what they want within the law even.If I disagree, it doesn't mean I'm oppressor, even if it may feel like that to people. Kind truth can feel very hurtful. It's really important to put Bible and theology above my feelings, or your feelings, while allow us both to express them. I worry that agape truth is getting lost in my/ your sensitivity.

@@saintwatson1 I'm not oppressed they did a survey on attitudes towards homosexuality worldwide in 2015. For catholics, orthodox christians and mainline protestants 70% said it should be accepted! Black churches 51%, evangelicals 36%. Those aren't insignificant numbers. Unfortunately for many gay people all they hear are the homophobes. It turns them off to christianity.

@@saintwatson1 all these traditionally oppressed minorities have learned to carve out (territorialize?) safe spaces. You might feel otherized in those situations. All affinity groups do it really. I just try to put forth the idea that everyone is an other of an other. And , that the position of the outsider is actually a privileged point of view. It can lead to discernment.

Muscling through progressive trojan horses is what enemies of the Cross of Christ have been doing since time immemorial

These changes, from women's ordination, to attempting to he an arm of the State, and now to Alphabet Mafia nonsense, have CAUSED the decline in the Church

Actually the total number of christians as a percentage of population has been the same for a century or more. This message of decline is inaccurate.

Our Lady of Walsingham will welcome you with open arms. Get out of the Thames and swim through the Tiber

From a Catholic outsider, I'm almost certain of what you're telling. Actually very few will leave. Some more noisy than others and the current conservative evangelical minority is far more noisy than the ones on former splits. This one will be on the usual 10-15% usual size observed on all US mainline Churches but eh UMC where things are being larger and more complex. The conservatives will have their place as the mainline Church will continue more or less as it is. There is here a bureaucratic problem that will perhaps delay the split for a while: CofE is a state Church and they need ultimately a say from the Parliament. That sorted of after UK general elections, it will just to be a matter of time to get this sorted out.

Regarding your comment of ‘anyone leaving cofe to consider an existing jurisdiction rather than setting up something new’ what would the problems be there

@maryjudith3681 I have two problems with starting something new. First would be the human tendency to desire leadership. This can lead an offshoot group to think they need their own new bishop and seek out episcopi vagantes, which can risk elevating a man in an almost cult like setting. Second, and perhaps more importantly, is that by having so many small isolated groups that are not in fellowship with each other, it is easy for darkness and evil to divide and conquer us. To some extent, we are well advised not to try and reinvent the wheel.

Well said. In the event of a split I don't know which way I'd jump. I believe in Biblical inerrancy and regard homosexual relationships as incompatible with its teaching. But at the same time I'm getting increasingly concerned at some of the extreme social conservatism (much influenced by the norms of middle class southern England in about 1975) going unchallenged in the UK evangelical movement, where it certainly would have been challenged 10-20 years ago.

As we all know...

We've slipped since Adam and eve.😢

@@davidsprouse151 my mum and dad are church goers but false teachers.

Brother, welcome back. But name calling is something that Jesus tells us in Matthew’s Gospel to not call people names, our people down etc. He said it is a sin akin to murder because you have murdered that person in your heart. We can criticise the c of e without resorting to name calling and lowering ourselves to the low bar that many others conduct themselves. If we are better, we have to be better. I’m gay and live for Jesus. Please don’t use gay as an insult. It’s not amazing behaviour and it is not close to Christ’s heart.

Investigate Holy Orthodoxy - the RCC is doing its best to become the CofE.

Sound, Biblically-focused churches do exist in the C of E if you know where to look.

​@@marcokitebetween the Catholic and Orthodox churches, one of us has ordained female deacons. And it isn't us Romans.

@@KenoReplay. With a comment like that I really question your ability to love womyn. Who in their right mind wants to take lessons in love from a man who thinks womyn should be subservient to them. And... be honest when's the last time you heard a sermon on domestic violence.

Reform is our only hope

'Nearly Half a century ago'. For a church which is 2000 years old, that's yesterday. The difference is that the above positions all placed priority on what God has revealed, and had ultimately mild disagreements on what exactly that was. Theological Liberals are different in that they differ not just on what was revealed, but on it's priority, believing that culture should dominate doctrine

The role of the church is not to attract a younger generation.its to preach the gospel and save souls.the road is narrow for a reason,only a few will find it.

@@dacdail15 Besides, the young want the actual faith, not the waterer down version

@@dacdail15 I totally agree, (I was brought up as a Baptist) but you can only preach the gospel if you have people who are listening. I seem to remember that our Lord spent most of his time with those the establishment referred to as 'publicans and sinners. Turning away those whose lifestyle one does not accept, seems to me a rather strange way of trying to achieve our mission as a church. When I was a boy, my Baptist church would not admit anyone as a member who had been divorced. Today, even our clergy get divorced and remarry, so things do change.

Those who support the Alphabet Mafia are apostates and their true master is Satan.

“Do not neglect to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encourage one another, and more than ever as you see the day drawing near.” You are right, of course - there is nothing about having to meet together in a dedicated building.

@Mark3ABE A small group of saved people say in a home in fellowship. Worshipping , praying, and studying the word ( King James Bible or language equivalent ) will ensure faithful Christian Church teaching and practice. Elder oversight, of course, as the scriptures teach. When I see the pitiful examples of so-called Christian practice in the denominations, then little wonder they are in terminal decline. My days are spent on the streets ( on my scooter, weather permitting ) with the Holy Ghost, my King James Bible, Gospel tracts, and the peace and joy of the Lord Jesus Christ in my heart. Colin. ( Yorkshire UK ).

@@colvinator1611 I agree, save for the use of the original Authorised Version. I see no objection to using the most recent update of the Authorised Version. Ideally, the English Standard Version, which does not alter the text to make use of “gender neutral language”, as does the NRSV, currently used by the Church of England. The difficulty with the King James Version is that, while it was a perfectly good and reliable translation at the time it was published, the English language has altered very considerably in the intervening years. For example, at the time it was published, “thee” and “thou” were not considered “holy” words, anymore than they are now in the Yorkshire dialect. I know that there are some who suggest that the translators of later versions have tried to “slip in” their own views and opinions, however, I do not find any real evidence for that, myself.

@Mark3ABE In 1997, the King James Bible, along with the 23 top selling bibles, were subject to the Flesch Kincaid grade level indicator process in the USA. The King James Bible came out on top ( there was an = score in one category ). The process proved the KJV was the most accurate translation with a grade level of 9 years of age ( in the USA ). Sentence structure simplicity, vowelisation, and sylable structure make the KJV pure English supreme in accuracy. Thee , thine , thou et al are for singular definition. Yea , your , you are for plural definition. ( see John 3 : 7 where the Lord Jesus refers to Nicodemus and the Jews respectively ). Evil lies and heresy is deliberately sown in ALL modern so-called bibles. They all use the heavily corrupted minority Alexandrian manuscripts aleph ( the fake Siniaticus of 1844 ) and the incomplete codex B ( vaticanus ). See Gail Riplingers' exhaustive research ( New Age Bible Versions ) and David Daniels books and research.

The rcc is really the one true church. 😮 but Peter got lots of things wrong. It's all a great drama, really.

​ @davidsprouse151 But the rcc is pagan in so many ways and extremely wicked (priests diddling little boys) and unashamedly rich, that it's not possible to see it as anything other than satan's whore.

​ @davidsprouse151 i don't think so: “The Pope is...the man on earth who represents the Son of God, who ‘takes the place’ of the Second Person of the omnipotent God of the Trinity.”-Pope John Paul II, Crossing the Threshold of Hope, p. 3

Represents. Just like the bread and wine are a representation. The priest represents christ What is a presentation?

@@davidsprouse151 Christian means little Christ-like one; we are ALL representatives of Christ, but none of us, not even a pope, 'takes the place' of Christ on earth. Jesus made it very clear "I go to be with the Father that the Spirit may come". (my paraphrase) What's the pope trying to do TAKING CHRIST's place, send the Spirit away? Be extremely careful with catholicism and be completely sure that you are saved by grace, through faith...not of works, lest any man should boast. Bless you David-praying for you...

You're a real 💎

That'd be me

@@davidsprouse151Don’t forget it’s a global commission! Jesus says so; his is the ‘spiritual authority’. (Matt 28;19. 24;14 7;21). In every tongue, to every tribe and nation! This is why JWs are so united and organised, focussed on being in the ‘yoke’ with the Christ. He is ‘with’ us in that work until the end (Matt 28;20) which won’t be long!

Orthodox church says the Catholic church is schismatic

Then how do you explain the Continuing Anglican denominations started in 1977 (with some earlier) and the Anglican Church of North America in the United States and Canada? We're not rich but we're trying as best we can to keep the faith once delivered to the saints!

Meeting in livings rooms has a very early church feel to it. Don't fear to do church that way if it means preserving your faith

​@@albertito77Rather be there hearing the Gospel than in the grandest Episcopal Church in the country having to hear how bad I am for being a white male who believes what the Bible says!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brett has issues (as we all do). I can see why he didn't get the gig at cofe. Part of his issue now is that he thinks it was all some conspiracy from the left. The definition of conservative is "the inability to change one's mind in light of new evidence"

Whom do I thank for this wonderful yolk?

You are right: we cannot be unequally yolked. Repent and believe the Gospel. Go! And sin no more.

Thank you for your openness, Catherine. We need more people like you in the C of E. I'm in an evangelical church where we regard homosexual practice as contrary to Bible teaching, but I accept that other Christians take a different view on this point. However I'm saddened to hear intelligent, mature fellow believers spout views of homosexuality based on 1970s secular thinking which is not supported by the evidence. Some of them still think it possible to change a person's orientation, for example. Almost none of them have experience of the long-term singleness they advocate for gay and lesbian Christians, and do not appear to have thought about its long term effects on people, nor how to address it.

@timpearson5086 well said. In 2015 a pew poll found that in all denominations 70% of respondants said homosexuality should be accepted..except evangelicals. It's only 36% for them.

@@timpearson5086 it seems difficult or impossible to change a homosexual to a heterosexual. Because I thimkmit doesn't work and that attempts to do so cause more harm than good, I am against them. Yes I believe that my same sex attracted brethren are called to celibacy. But this doesn't mean absence of friendship and fellowship. We as the church can help provide that.

I'm amazed when people get the impression that the Lord Jesus was wrong when He taught us not to sin?

​@@marcokiteAnd as for marriage he reinstated what God had intended it to be from the beginning, but fallen men had often drifted away from.

😊it is interesting how the church responds to domestic abuse. The world says flee and stay alive. The church says marriage is until you die even if you die at the hand of your spouse. I know that on the ground, those with a pastoral heart read St. Paul's admonition to stay away from abusers and say get away to save your life. Sadly one of the challenges faced by those dealing with domestic violence is church teaching about marriage.

@@everyonecancraft70 I do not doubt that pastors have not always given the best advice on marriage, but they are not at liberty to set aside its permanent nature at the first sign of trouble. I can't imagine any pastor worth his salt would counsel a woman to stay where her physical safely is at stake. The 'problem' with the church's i.e. the NT teaching on marriage is that it is not lived out. If it were and people kept the promises they made there would be no abuse, even if the marriage is not problem free in a fallen world.

When Did Jesus do this? Perhaps you refer to the passage concerning the woman taken in adultery (John 8)? Accepting this as canonical, did he not tell those who were with out sin to cast the first stone? And then the accusers were all gone. With out accusers she could not be found guilty. Given that she was said to have been caught in the act of adultery both parties should have been charged not just one. This was a judicial law given to the theocratic nation and Jesus respected it fully.

Acceptance is a different word to acquiescence.

So the Lord Jesus was wrong when He taught us not to sin? interesting

Whether they repent or not?

​@@johnhudghton3535 indeed. It's not for you to determine whether another believer has repented.

@@davidsprouse151 ah the thought police are here again.