"Why don't they just have security posted strategically so they can contain the Borg?" "So the movie can happen, sir. You see that patch of my back you're riding on? I need you to climb right off of that there dromedary."

In worf's defense he said "12 shots.....at most" so I would say 9 falls pretty well in his estimate, admittedly on the lower end.

The scene where Lily confronts Picard addresses the issue of Picard's irrational behavior and everyone going along with it. "The crew is accustom to following my orders" "They're probably accustom to your orders making sense!"

The real question is why Worf didn't bring his bat sword if he knew was only only gonna get less than a dozen shots.

What really made Troi passing out funny for me was Riker's kind of Elvis head swing right as she did. Made the the whole thing.

In Star Trek Online during the last First Contact event, there was a mission you could play where you and your away team, along with Seven of Nine, go back in time to stop the Borg who did send down landing parties to assimilate the people on the ground. There was even a part where you are fighting off Borg as they were approaching that bar where Cochran's music was playing and after the fight you could hear that scene after Riker unplugs the music.

Just something of note on Dr. Crusher's actor, Gates McFadden, she requested a standard set of operating guidelines for props on Star Trek: The Next Generation. In response, illustrator Rick Sternbach developed a tricorder user guide, which was later incorporated into the Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual

Borg love their Analgesic creams

The biggest reason why the crew goes along with Picard's battle plan is because he's the captain - there are multiple examples in star trek where the crew has to follow a captain's orders regardless of personal feeling. One of the best examples of this is when Sisko ordered the bombing the maquis planets to flush out Eddington; you could tell how uncomfortable the crew was at the order, but they still did it anyways. Later on in the movie, Picard orders Daniels to go back to his security checkpoint and even fight the borg hand to hand if necessary. It's clearly suicide and you can tell that Daniels is deeply uncomfortable with the order, but he starts to return to his post without question - because Picard is the captain. Moments later, Dr Crusher even tells Lily that they follow Picard's orders because he's the captain - even if those orders are crazy. It's also quite telling that the only star fleet officer willing to stand up to Picard's insane orders is Worf, but that's an episode for another day.

I find the scene using the EMH as a diversion funny since Crusher tells him buy us time but the time she took to explain this was time wasted getting away. It is what it is I guess.

I come for the Trek content, I stay for the camera work talk.

One of the major problems with star fleet is that they are not a military organisation, as you said a military mind would think about this in a different way. Sealing off sections and flooding them with the plasma that erodes organic matter could be a method. Picard said in nemesis that he is an explorer not a warrior where most of the federations enemies are warlike Klingons, Romulans. If starfleet are to fight the Borg they have to be a ruthless as the Borg are. That’s one of the reasons species 8472 where so scary they didn’t back off when they had the advantage they chased the Borg ‘the Hunter has become the prey’. This military mentality is shown in enterprise when archer states at the beginning that he didn’t want to command a warship yet near the end after encountering all the hostile races in the galaxy he said the Columbia should have more weapons and a detachment of MAKOs. The federation has forgotten how to wage war Picard said it best when he talks about how everyone retreats from the Borg that’s not fighting that’s surviving. The Borg challenge starfleets mentality and code when Q said you can’t reason with them, you can’t out run them

Can I just give a shout out to my favorite extra of the movie in the back there when Cochrane turns the Juke Box back on. Dude is full so drunk he's passed out, the music jolts him awake and he just instantly keeps drinking. Both hilarious, and really helps drive home the depths of miserable alcoholism that was prevalent in society at the time. (And now, sadly.)

One could argue 'there wasn't a borg hub in engineering at the beginning and the borg still operated' is irrelevant given it was the loss of the queen, not whatever tech they installed that triggered what happened at the end. Presumably she was one of the borg that was present in the group that originally transported to the ship Also, whatever security protocols you might have in place like you described for this sort of incident wouldn't be all that effective given that as soon as the borg assimilate any security personnel they would become aware of it and be able to alter their tactics

I never understood why they didn’t implement projectile weapons for borg drone incursions. All evidence points to them having no defense to non-energy weapons.

You're underestimating the strength of loyalty. Even in his craziest, most ridiculous plans, Picard has *never* let the crew of the Enterprise down, not a single time. They trust him to see them through, no matter how odd the plan seems to them, Picard has never failed them, they are confident he knows what he's doing, because *he always does*.

I love how the Borg in STO done what you said. They beamed down some drones to Montana and attempted to make a base there.. BTW how did Beverly know they are Borg knocking on the door

I would say Trek and Doctor Who are light horror shows.

Hands down, the best Trek movie ever. Even Wrath of Kahn. Two-takes Frakes knocked it out of the park! Perhaps embracing individual thought and uniqueness could fight the Borg’s one mind. The Borg are arrogant and also driven towards the best tech available. That’s why they didn’t divide and conquer.

The guy in the background when the music comes back on waking up and grabbing his beer is so funny.

Having seen every episode of every series (with the exception of TOS - I know I know - but I’m working on it!); I have come to absolutely love your perspective on Trek. This is not to say that I have never had issues with what you share, but you always substantiate every theory and/or belief you share! And I love it! Makes me want to delve into the theory of Trek in my channel, though household 6 seems to think it’ll be a bust if I do that. But you pull it off very well. And as a military veteran for over a decade - your tactics and procedures discussed in this video, if nothing else, are based on known tactics of the borg. And they’re sound, even for a “peace loving society that abhors conflict”. Starfleet failed miserably in relegating their resistance to merely designing new ships, like you said...

Ok the box flopping closed instantly got a snort out of me

My favorite part of the last scene is watching the random guy behind Cochrane when he hits the jukebox. I like how he springs back to life and starts drinking again with the dramatic head bob. Makes me laugh everytime.

GOD, I love Beverley - great character and way underutilised. Really enjoying this series of Lore video essays! Brilliant work.

Okay, I'm the closest thing to a "military mind" that's going to be lurking in a KZfaq comments section: The first thing I have to ask is: "Are you *sure* mainline Starfleet has encountered Borg boarding parties before?" The experience with the NX-01 Enterprise was lost to history. Voyager is stuck in the Delta Quadrant. Worf 359 was mostly an exercise in the Borg pwning the Federation with better technology. But, the first thing I'd do is recognize that the crew itself is the 'vital system'. The Borg need to catch crew members to increase the numbers, so if the borg are around the rule would be 'no one does anything alone'. After they were detected, the plan would be to have everyone gather in a handful of vital locations and to seal most of the doors. When everyone is accounted for and you're ready to purge the ship, you have one or two large security teams purge patrol through the ship. Like most scifi baddies the only reason the borg are even a threat is 'your weapons don't work, lol'. So, you'd have to rely on physical systems. For any other invader it would be 'have everyone meet in engineering/the bridge', seal those sections, then open the airlocks and turn off the gravity on the rest of the ship. Then get O'Brian on the transporters and tell him to have fun. For the Borg, it would be 'put a massive amount of steel wall between them and wherever they want to be'. Sadly, the things the borg are often most vulnerable to tends to be electronic warfare things which exploit their cybernetics. Pretending the Borg's neural network worked something like a radio - you could easily set up a radio that broadcasts a bunch of white noise on all frequencies which prevents anyone else from communicating - basically how a loud speaker blaring out a screeching noise prevents anyone else from effectively talking. If you had that, the Borg couldn't talk to themselves. No communication means no adaptation which means now you only have to shoot them.

You'd think the Federation would have the technological ability to create powered armor. Like the Spartan program. Master Chief could just go down the halls and tear Borg apart.

Very well done episode!

The sponsor part of the video, was very cool, not boring at all to watch. GG

Worf did say 12 shots AT MOST. Meaning there was always a chance that they'd adapt quicker.

Earlier episodes, had Pickard use a Thompson sub machine gun on the Borg. Without the Borg developing a resistance to the Colt .45 caliber bullets. Yet the armory didn't include Thompson's. Oh, that's right, suspension of disbelief is essential for all Hollywood movies.

I still think that the TR-116 rifle was designed to fight the Borg.

As a trek fan, I really enjoy the commentary. Hoping that your channel keeps getting more views!

I will say it many times over: I love the fact you are a Conspiracy Nut for a fictional universe, as you deliver it so very well. Right now I am of the same conclusion, we have technology being sent through time to help defeat an interdimensional threat!

Why everyone went along with Picard's plan. First: This is the Captain of the ship. The crew here probably have little to no real idea what they're up against and are going to follow what the Captain orders. The higher ranking officers backed up the Captain here. There wasn't any reason to question them. If I'm some random ship tech who hasn't seen combat or qualified with a phaser in years because of my job requirements, and I'm literally about to try and fight of magic robots, I'm going to hope my captain knows what he's talking about... By the way... Second: This is Captain Picard. A renown Starfleet captain of the Enterprise of which stories are likely greatly talked about and talked up. This man was also Borg say one point, he is the subject matter expert. No one has anything close to his experience. Third: Data and Worf, two highly decorated and renown starfleet officers, one being a robot who single has an extremely high decorated history of success and is backing up Picard, and Worf being a freaking Klingon. To sum up. Picard, Data and Worf, gathered a bunch of crew members who may not be security, and are calmly explaining and laying out a plan of attack against forces I have only heard about in terrifying rumors with minimal Intel on how effective they are, then Worf says ”WE MIGHT” have 12 shots AT MOST, before their personal shields can block a phaser rifle? A rifle with a setting that can level a city block? Their personal shields can block that!? I'm going to shut up and hope I'm doing whatever Picard says correctly.

High ambient temperature means infrared radiation means a lot of EM interference, and water-damaged electronics are notoriously difficult to repair, so the heat and humidity being that high in a Borg ship makes no sense. In fact, air conditioning was originally developed to reduce humidity in factories, with the cooling as an added bonus.

Gotta love the i'm your "agent" part :D

Anyone who has watched a horror movie would know that those security checkpoints would be overrun without anyone noticing until it was too late. The lights would flicker, everything would go dark for a second, and those security officers would have disappeared. The guy acting as the runner between the checkpoints would turn around, see his comrades are missing and immediately start to run to tell everyone something is wrong. The tension would be increased as the lights on the deck grow dim and the walls start sounding like someone is pounding on it. He would reach the turbolift and close the door. As he breathes a sigh of relief he hears something behind him and turns to see a borg drone. The scene then cuts to an exterior shot of of the turbolift doors as we hear the sounds of a struggle and blood curdling scream from behind the doors. The scene then cuts to Worf and Picard exiting a turbo lift and Worf reporting the loss of contact on deck 16.

7:52 the Picardo BTS on how he got included in First Contact is pretty awesome

Good work👍

Something that occurred to me yesterday: Your "the Borg were trying to save/create the Federation" theory is incomplete. Consider the opening scene of the Enterprise episode set in the Mirror Universe. What if that is how first contact would have gone had nothing happened to Cochrane and his settlement? These are people not long out of an apocalyptic war, led by a guy who's just in it for the fame and fortune. Without a preview of a brighter future and other such inspiration, it's not inconceivable that they wouldn't have been as welcoming to the Vulcans, perhaps legitimately believing them to be conquerors. The Terran Empire or their later conquerors probably wouldn't have helped the Borg the way Janeway did. Perhaps the Mirror Universe is the true "prime" timeline, and the canon we know is a divergent timeline created by the Borg. One can even go another layer deeper, weaving in the theory that First Contact was the culmination of Q's plans when introducing the Enterprise to the Borg in the first place - perhaps he wanted both to humble Picard by showing him that he's not so perfect after all AND to nudge this promising younger race onto a better path. Simple plans in linear time are for lesser species, after all.

@17:38 I do appreciate the touch of having the drink vibrating. I think it could have been influenced by the glass of water in Jurassic Park, just three years prior to First Contact.

Okay, admittedly, that lootcrate pitch as been the best one I've seen for them

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You got to love the fact that Robert Picardo basically lied and manipulated (non maliciously) his way into "First Contact". Respect his hustle.

Love how to presented loot crate.

You've seen the same behind the scenes / making of jurassic park doc as I and was amazed at the rumbling cup of water when the t-rex comes along

Honestly the fact that Starfleet does not use projectile weaponry, or at the very least have them readily available to be replicated in the event of a Borg incursion is beyond me. They know the Borg can't adapt to projectile weaponry. If it were me, I'd implement 2-3 person security teams, one carrying a dedicated marksman rifle for precision shots to kill individual drones, and one or two officers with fully automatic, high capacity weapons like M249 SAWs or the like for suppression. Given the technology of the time they could probably make a killer light machine gun that weighs next to nothing. Not sure how well containment would work on the Borg given what we know of Borg tactics. I think hit and fade style attacks to wear the Borg down while not exposing your own forces for very long would be more effective. You kill drones, and don't give them enough time to replace their losses. Mobility would be a key factor I think considering the Borg's methodical pace.

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Bev put two and two together quickly and came up with a plan very well.

If you play star trek online, the 2 pronged attack was addressed during the last first contact day event. They produced a special mission where you go back to stop the borg at the missile complex with a nice bit where you can hear the drunk Dianna dialogue as you pass the bar. The game is free to play on console and pc... have fun you crazy kids.

I've been burned by loot crate a few times in the past. I was a OG sub with them (on a different email. Yay you!) and they just fizzled. But you have solved so many fights with my friends! I can't support enough to do patrons, but I could do this every 3 months so this is a great way for your fans to give back! Keep up the work!

When the borg finally make their move... on the dancefloor

What if the enterprises nx-01 timeline had been created by the borg and enterprise-e crew with the separated tweaking universe to explain new hellish startrek series had been rebooted by the borg?, we are not looking at the 1960's star trek Continuum c-193 universe looking at the startrek multiverse & I watched alot of Stargates franchise alongside slider\fringe\Rick and Morty

A few AA12 shotguns with flechette and HE rounds would soon solve this.

4:13 “At this point, that’s probably too much technical banter” Come on, we’re Trekkies! We can handle it.

Lore, have you read the novelization of First Contact? One major difference to the final movie is that Zefram Cochrane is outright stated to have Bipolar Disorder. It is said that before World War 3, Bipolar was regulated by an implant which needed to be replaced every 10 years. Given that they're in a pretty post-apocalyptic world, Cochrane never managed to get his implant replaced and has been self-medicating with alcohol for years by the time he meets the Enterprise crew. Once the crisis is over, Beverly gives him an injection that permanently cures him.

The EMH scene was Robert Picardo's idea. He managed to convince the producer to be put in the film.

well for boarding defense one can have self contained phaser strips set to target known enemies. this would ensure that enemies would have to use jeffries tubes, or in the case of the borg have enough to ensure they can adapt. for borg specific boarders one can have passive receivers listening for borg comm traffic (they are continuously broadcasting their thoughts). now listening in might have issues, but broadcasting strongly on those frequencies will drown out (known as jamming) the borg's comms. it can also alert the bridge when it detects these signals on the ship, and lock down critical areas. one can also have an emergency protocol which uses the transporters to transport non-critical components into space around the ship, away from the borg (minimizing things that can be assimilated). one last thing to slow them down would be to have solid barriers to be beamed in places to block corridors which would take quite a bit to get through (just look at them having to beat down the medical bay doors. i could get into some other methods to directly kill them, but it seems that the federation should have thought of them and lore says that they have failed so i will assume that everything i can think of are countered.

Best way to combat the Borg: equip all ships with holo emitters , all over the place and using those create AK-47 for each member when borded. We see in First Contact the gun Picard recreated in the holo killed without an issue the borg. Adapt to that

Like seeing " The Doctor" in the latest Starfleet uniform

Does anyone else think that the thumbnail looks like Ryan Reynolds' Deadpool in Borg cosplay?

I fully believe in your conspiracy theory that the Borg are struggling to unlock the secrets of that sweet Starfleet plot armor...

Yes the way this was played out showed lack luster tactic. But on other hand way it played out was quite entertaining and well acted. Oh as you mentioned filming did a pretty good job also. This is why First Contact is on or near the top of the list of best Star Trek.

riker makes that scene a thousand times better reacting to the environment around him

The best thing I've always wanted to know is what is up with the guy behind Cochrane after he starts up the music. That's the funniest pretending to wake up acting job I've ever seen.

Regarding the idea that the Borg can live in a vacuum, I think it is more likely that they can only survive for extended periods of time in a vacuum instead of being able to live in one forever.

That may be the most honest promo I've ever seen.

First Contact showed that ballistic kinetic weapons, such as a Tommy gun seems to be most effective against ground troops. They had schematics for the I think TRX-9 from DS9 according to Lore, they could have replicated them. Just a thought. And Worf needed his metleth.

What about a fast flesh eating bacteria bomb? It would harm crew yes but it would really be effective against Borg.

- There was a single drone. You can't send drones to Earth and the ship if you only have one drone. - A single drone by themselves doesn't seem to be able to assimilate. They needed to assimilate the Enterprise to create what they needed in order to assimilate Earth.

Strategically placed force fields can help contain borg too.

I'm late to the party, but you know how to do an ad spot, Lore. I'm checking out Lootcrate right now. Also, you're the master of callback jokes.

There is an interesting comment from the author of the Lost Fleet series. He addresses the lack of emergency generators in his science fiction designs by pointing out that there are examples of just that in actual military service right now. The lack of CQC training and weapons is nothing I would be surprised by in a modern military. Such oversight is of course not desired but certainly not unheard of.

Upon re-watching this film, I can't help but notice how the various shots of the Enterprise in space are similar to the shots of the Nostromo in ALIEN as the situations with both ships' crews discovering and subsequently trying to contain their unwelcome guest(s) deteriorate.

0:59 Also the corridors are an open space. They should be easily sealed off in sections like in a submarine in case of enemy boarding, particularly the Borg. As cool as it is which has been carried on since TOS, it's a design flaw for such battle situations including battle damages where the hull is ruptured.

Hey! This is my 3rd video of yours I've watched. NEW FAN HERE! haha, wow these are good but sometimes we disagree on certain aspects. Like earlier when you said that engineer wouldn't be so worked up over environmental controls. You even mentioned it but I like to think he was worried he was going to get his ass kicked for not even being competent enough to fix such a small and easy problem, it even could have been the first time he has been given command in Geordis absence. Also when the crew suddenly just follow Picards orders at first when obviously they are shotty at best, I like to think that Picard has so many times proven himself such a competent Leader that i can see the crew simply following orders at least at first. When has he ever steered them horribly wrong in the past? All these videos though have SO MANY good points I've never even thought of before! Thanks so much!

Picard: 39.1 degrees Celsius ... like a Borg ship. Me, an Australian: Or a typical Aussie day.

Well, Worf did say "12... AT MOST" 😂

I just realized a fairly significant plot hole and it’s driving me crazy. Starfleet should use TR-116 rifles against the Borg since they use a physical projectile. Especially if they put a micro-transporter on the end like they did in the DS9 episode they could remotely kill Borg with zero risk to the operator as long as they don’t jam the transporter signal or something else. Even without the micro-transporter it would be far, far more effective than phasers.

But what about the time travel factor? Picard and the crew knew that if they abandoned ship right away, they could interfere with the timeline. To "repair whatever damage" the Borg had done, they had to be contained.

Wasn't the rifle with transporting bullets from ds9 an anti borg weapon

"ok I'll need you to get alllllll the way off my back about that." "Ok, let me get off that thing."

Next up as an idea you could do after you're done with the rest of these follow-up videos on First Contact. What if Sisko was in first contact? = along with all his Defiant crew from DS9 after being rescued from the 001 battle onboard Enterprise E...a 40 minute plus or 1 hour special breakdown based on all you know about him + them in character throughout the whole film's events between both TNG and DS9 crew members' reactions together from start to finish in knowing and guess in predicting on what they would do instead. And how it would've effected the movie quite differently overall between Sisko's actions + relationships with the Borg after 359 and with Picard in their own ideas/tactics on how to treat the present situations between those two captains against the Borg and what could've happened in all those events instead leading up to its finalization = arguing + disagreeing + fighting and working together before the end in resolving it all. Personally: I think Sisko would be in Worf's place instead as more of a main character rather than Worf alongside them = taking his issues out fighting against the Borg pro-aggressively trying to get to the reactor core with revenge in mind, then trying to disable the dish and then both captains would have a go at it in physical harm during that argument on the bridge instead = and the rest of the crew would either step in to stop them tearing each other apart over their trust issues or leave them at it in seeing who comes out on top from the grand fight in the battle of two legends with bloody noses at the end of it after years of pent up rage from the mental harm that the Borg inflicted down on both of them. Love to think of how Sisko would be the one instead to take more revenge out of the queen than Picard did in snapping her remaining spine at the end instead after everything that's been done to him from losing his wife and struggling with the lost afterwards leading up till now. But it would lead to a more mutual respect in closer for the two captains in understanding what they went through together then and now in different ways, and make peace with it all and each other afterwards = with more given time after they go their separate ways after getting back home to the future that will help make them better men afterwards for their upcoming experiences during and after the dominion war.

Coolant? Near engines? Never.... Also, to see a good coolant puncture leak (and what happens to the person) see Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan.

Ok i have never turn one of the advertisements containing KZfaqr that I've never watched but that skit was amazing probably going to pick one up a loot crate on payday

Nice you have a sponsor. Im not getting a lootcrate myself, but congrats.

First thing I would do before transporters go offline is to beam 40 tons of powdered Carolina Reaper and Cayenne Pepper straight into the Borg Queen's Alcove, and then cover the rest of engineering in a six-foot snow drift.

I don't know how IoM (40K) weapons would fair against the Borg, probably poorly, but at least they had procedures in case certain outsiders breached the ships' protections.

TNG had always had a problem writing for Troi. She was put on as a title character as eye candy. Besides her Magic Telepathic powers, she had no need to be on the bridge of the enterprise. The character of Troi probably could have been better fleshed out having her as a secondary character, like with Ginan, O'Brian, or Barkly. With officers going the Psyc Ward for consoling, not having one right on the bridge. Because they needed someone to fill the seat next to Picard, she was just kinda placed there. This scene in First Contact was basically just to make sure the title character of TNG had something to do. Also when First Contact Came out it was before the Me to movement. Women were still suffering from the expectation to allow unwanted touching. So being an actor, she played the part written, and also during that time such actions were considered normal flirting.

If you were a ruthless bastard you could use something similar to the Naar Protocol from Homeworld whenever a super capital ship is hit with an beast infection attack. Vent Drive Plasma to the affected area to burn out the infection.

really easy way to make the drinks move that does not need post production, just stick a small bass speaker on the underside of the table. should make the liquid move.

Little tid bit if you look in the background when Cochrane restarts the jukebox you see the guy who played Morn on ds9 wake up and start drinking.

That guy fucking killed it playing Zef Chochrane

I would like to see a borg attack where the assimilated crewmembers look and act exactly as they did before being injected. Imagine The Thing on a starfleet vessel.

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I mean, if they are cooling tubes, they would need to be near the thing generating heat, or else they wouldn't be cooling anything.

As for the "It can't be both. Pick a lane." bit in this video, Lore Reloaded, I can not help but to strongly feel that this is a "Hold My Beer" moment for the Star Trek franchise writers.

I have two words for fighting the Borg: Fix bayonets.

What’s the music at 0:10 called?