13" screens are just too small for me. That's the only thing preventing me from buying a new laptop right now.

I had the Mid 2018 15 in, 2.6GHz Core i7, 512GB, 16GB memory, AMD Radeon Pro 560X 4GB (highest listed configuration at the time of the purchase), the battery showed 100% capacity after all these years but it only lasted a few hours when unplugged, also, it was always running hot to the point that couldn't be used on my lap, and since I bought it always was attached to a monitor on my desk. In January, I bought an MBA M1 baseline and it was such a pleasant experience that I decided to sell it. I do not regrate it at all, since I have the 4k external monitor, I connect it when I need a big screen and use it on the go thanks to the fantastic battery life

Thanks to you, and one other KZfaqr, I just got my 16gb M1 MacBook Pro with 512ssd hard drive. I was about to buy an Intel based I7, before I realized that these things even existed. I couldn’t wait for the NEW 14" or 15" M1X models to come out, so I ended up buying an Apple refurbished model, from the Apple store for about $400 less(with tax). It looks, feels, smells like a new one, and came in new packaging. My Mid-2014 Pro was tired, and wouldn’t even play 4K60 footage. I can now edit and view all of my 4K footage without a hiccup. I paid $1438+tax for both the upgraded RAM and hard drive on the M1. I highly recommend going this direction. I LOVE IT! Sometimes you have to wait for certain models to come available, in the refurbished store. Thanks again! Im a new loyal viewer.

Love this guys videos, especially ones where macbooks are restored, so satisfying to watch

Tbh I’ve learned how I’ve been fooled by Intel after using this M1 MBP for a few weeks....

I just ordered the M1 a few hours ago and I'm coming from a mid 2014 MBP. I really hope the M1 is worth it. Im going to be using it for school, music production, and youtube videos also I love your videos @Lukemiani keep up the hard work.

I love my 16 inch but being in the Caribbean where ambient temperatures are 80F and upwards, it runs hot and the fans kick up to full speed way too often

Was recently shopping for a 2018/2019 15” MBP with i7, 32gb, 1tb ssd thinking it could rival M1 MBP. Still going for $2500+ on eBay. 😔 But, you’re right, that premium used MBP market is going to get rocked with M1 and M1x.

I'd take an Intel 2018 15" MBP for under $1000 any day. The larger screen is more important to me then the M1 performance and it is still a fantastic laptop that was loved 2 years ago.

Proud 16" (2019) owner

me watching this on my m1 MacBook Pro and debating whether I should of waited for m1x

My only beef with the 15inch MacBook Pro is the butterfly keyboards... I really looked into getting one, however, having the butterfly keyboard just would always weigh on my mind... Thus I ended up getting the 16inch MacBook Pro for the better speakers and better keyboard... Then, of course, apple comes out with their Apple silicon and makes my purchase look stupid, however, I still love my 16inch MacBook Pro and have had NO issues out of it... I'm really excited about what Apple will do with 16inch MacBook Pro and how their silicon will play in with this model 😀😀

Luke, Assume we don’t need to perform rendering, or similarly heavy duty processing, and could be used for typical daily uses like browsing, MS-Office, etc., what would you consider a reasonably-priced used Mac with good performance? I don’t really need a cutting-edge Mac but would be nice to have one for quotidian use.

I just bought an mbp 13 2015 the top tier model, and now i just feel that the M1 had literally raised the level so much that i feel like i have an 2009 mbp in 2019

I have a friend who is in the market for a new laptop. The uncertainty about Windows support (needed for work-at-home applications) is a big issue with the M1 Macs (impending Parallels release notwithstanding.) I had hoped that the 2018 Intel Macbook would have been more competitive.

Watching a M1 Pro and I love it so much! Great machine!

What's wrong with the 16" 2019 MBP..? I have one and absolutely love it.

Would love a new M1 Macbook but I'm running Windows 10 with Bootcamp on my 2018 Intel and I'm happy with the setup and performance (for now).

Two weeks ago I purchased a 2018 MacBook Pro15, i7, 32gb ram, 1tb ssd on Facebook for 600. It had a broken screen but I was able to look up the serial and noticed it still had Apple warranty. Apple charged me $100 to Replace the screen. While replacing the screen, They replaced the outer shell top and bottom, new battery and replaced the keys. So I basically got a buy a new computer for $700

I agree 100%. Also, prices will come down within 2 months of the MBP 14 and 16 release.

Watching this on my early 2011 13” MBP. It’s not screaming any more now that Chrome has finished opening 😂

What I think is that with the 2018 MBP you are gainkng some things that aren't raw power. Like the posibility of using more than a single external display, or using an external gpu or even the 15" inch display of the 2018 that for most people Who doesn't like smaller screens is going to be a pro compared to the M1.

I've been watching your channel for a few years now. I always take what you say and then do some homework. You definitely aren't manipulating numbers or information. So. With that I purchased a nice new MacBook Air 8/8 and Wow! You certainly are not wrong. My old MacBook air is a 2013 i7 and in comparison it is a slow brick. I'm excited to upgrade my mac mini i5 (2014?) to the new M1 model soon too. Thanks for doing all the serious data crunching and detective work for us viewers so that we can add your information to our own researched data to make a purchase decision. Keep up the great work. I'll definitely keep watching.

Good call Luke, and very fairly tested. Steven.

Luke, the content of your videos has always been top notch, but the technical quality (sound, lighting, background etc.) started as 'medium-good' to become 'very good' until before you switched to the new studio. Ever since, your videos are IMPECCABLE both in terms of content and technical quality. Well done, my friend!

Those Intel machines won't go to waste. They run Windows and Linux just fine. Still using an old iMac 2011 with an up to date OS today, but it's not MacOs. Hardware always finds a home ;)

Developers love bootcamp. But it is just much easier to buy a cheap PC to test codes for PC than use Bootcamp on an intel Mac that cooks bacon so well!

I got the 16” MacBook when they finally switched to the new (old?) keyboard because I wanted a bigger laptop with dedicated graphics. I didn’t pay nearly full price because of school, but it’s insane that it was worth €3200 (probably over 3800 USD) new and will be outperformed by a €1000 Air. Says quite a bit about Intel as well. There isn’t a Macbook out right now that I would personally buy, but if they come out with an M-something 16”..... that’s gonna be rough.

I guess one conclusion can also be that there is not really a point upgrading at the moment if you have one of these intel machines. The M1 has an advantage in performance, but it will be really interesting to see what the M1X has to offer... I can’t wait.

At home we have the exact same setup - an M1 MBP and 2018 15" MBP. You forgot to mention one thing - the screen size. As a longtime 15" MBP user I could never go back to a 13 inch. The difference is just night and day. Everything else I completely agree with you. I literally am waiting for Apple to come out with the 16 incher big boi and I'm jumping ships to Apple silicon goodness.

This video just confirms to me that my purchase of a M1 MacBook was the right thing to do.

Would like to see some more feature comparisons between this 2018 and any of the M1s . For example, can the M1 fun chrome OS or Windows via bootcamp? I'm predicting Apple will stop offering MacOS updates for years and years, all macbooks will have similar lifespans to iPads and iPhones from now on, and so the ability to run alternative OSs is very compelling.

*I use a 27” MacBook ProMax from 2012 and I love it. Still crushing 1’s and 0’s with this beast*

It would be interesting to see how much the liquid metal thermal compound fix would help with performance.

Still rocking the base 2013 MBP. I’ll need a battery upgrade soon other than that it’s in excellent nick.

got the 2018 MacBook Pro 15 inch base model in 2023 and its perfect

I use an i9 16” MBP and I absolutely love it.

I can’t give up boot camp just yet, I’m going to hold out for a little while longer, also in order to be worth losing boot camp it needs to support at least 2 external displays natively at the price of the base model m2 MacBook Air

I like bigger screens better, the 13 inch is too small for what I do. It's not just the performance you need to look at, but the whole thing! So I bought the 15" MacBook Pro last year and I am satisfied!

2019 1tb 64gb ram i9 8core. Bullet proof! Amazed by this machine!

I'm watching this from this exact Macbook pro... eagerly awaiting the m1x version.... Should I just buy a mini to hold me off so I can keep my MacBook for portability? I mainly work at my desk with it docked anyways.

Still on my 2014 MBP 13". I almost got the M1 mini mac until I saw a lot of software (plugins) are not yet compatible now. It put me off how long I have to wait, if not this MBP intel (as you shared) might be better as my system is kinda slow. =(

I especially like the larger display on the 15-inch MacBook Pro and would pay a bit more for it. The speakers in the larger Macbook are also better and in office use you don't notice that more in terms of performance, but the larger display does.

I bought one of the i9-9980 and sold my m1 macbook air since I needed more hard drive space. I still have about 20 Late 2019 Macbook pros for sale currently.

If you need to run Parallels/Windows Intel Mac is still the only option. Even if you are using Final Cut Pro an Intel Mac may still be the only option if you have a lot of 3rd party plugins that have not yet been (or who knows when will be) converted to M1 and there is still a whole bunch of other programs that need to be updated... The workflow on Intel Macs works extremely well and even though the M1 beats intel with the handful of native apps... what good is it if you can't run the soft? the workflow is King and is the deciding factor.

I’m waiting for the M1X since I need multi-display support, but I feel like Apple’s going to pull a sneaky and raise the prices because “it’s top of the line in performance”

What he touched on at the very end is something that doesn't get much coverage; there's a huge e-waste component to this migration to ARM-based chips. And, this isn't even accounting for the (potentially shorter) useful life of the new ARM-based machines.

I just picked up 2018 i9 MBP 15" 32 GB from Wisetek Market for $475 in 2023. Given your content, you may want to collaborate with Wisetek. I love their vision on giving 2nd life purpose to older stuffs. Also, 'factory refurb' in this video may be due to keyboard + battery replacement made by Apple given 30 battery cycle mentioned.

I just picked up a 15" i9 A1990 2018 RP560x 32GB 512GB for $480 for a cracked screen and a used screen with surface scratching for $190 so im $670 before tax which I cannot complain about! The MSRP for my laptop was $3700 which is pretty crazy considering I got it for 1/6 of the price

Thank you for sharing.

What about the last intel iMac? Do you believe it will get as Long Apples Software Support as the 2012 iMac did/does?

There's something to be said for the 15" screen. I have the M1 Air and it's just too small for me. I can't wait to get the larger model - whichever one that is.

Funny, I got one of these but with i9 32gb ram 512gb SSD Radeon 560X in June 2020 for 1900 pounds, I think I got a decent deal, was by a good seller as well, it was refurbished and actually had no damage at all on the body and battery had only 100 cycles

I recently bought a 2018 15” 8750h and 560x for $1200 over a M1 MacBook Pro and found out that it lost in everything. I kept it bc the one thing it has going for it is boot camp. Running Windows engineering apps natively over maybe Rosetta if it even exists on Mac or through experimental parallels is faster on intel and if you have to use Windows and Mac side by side or just prefer it it is definitely an advantage worth considering

One take away I've had from all these Apple Silicon vs. Intel discussions is just how much the "Apple Tax" is at least partially really an Intel Tax. I have an M1 Mini and it's an incredible machine for the price. I'm really happy to see the industry finally getting away from x86. As much as I love the improvements to the architectures performance AMD has made the simple fact is that it's doing at a MASSIVE power utilization. Getting the performance we are getting from Apple silicon at the power utilization it has the future is looking really good for computing.

NOOOOOOOO. It has a butterfly keyboard. I have a 16" and it ain't going anywhere. I use WinBLOWS in Bootcamp

My 2019 16-inch MacBook Pro in my opinion is the best because of it’s bigger screen, thinner bezels and its i7 processor and not forgetting the magic keyboard which replaced the dodgy butterfly keyboard. Although I’ve never experienced it with my 2015 12” MacBook and 2017 13” MacBook Pro, which I’ve reviewed on my channel.

10:35 Problem is, you can put thermal pads in the M1 MBA and get M1 MBP levels of performance. Then it beats out the Intel and is imo a way better value.

Luke: Grab some snacks...... Me: I’m broke:(

Hello Luke, do you know which macOS is the best for intel core i9? I have seen some comments saying that Monterrey slows down the speed. Best!

right now, the 15" screen is the one remaining plus for this 2018 vs any the M1 Macbooks. A 13" screen is a deal breaker and we would pop for a 17" model if available now... fingers crossed.

I have many MacBooks from different eras. Most are very useable for basic daily computing needs. But the M1 strengths get rid of problems that have plagued macs since OSX started. There’s no going back. Enjoy the M1 and buy a PC for the stuff the M1 cannot do. The price will still be less than a MacBook Pro.

What do you think the cost of the M1X Macbook pros will be? I assume they could be a decent jump from the M1.

But sir does the MacBook Pro 2018 has a butterfly keyboard. And is it a good keyboard?

You should have tested the 16 inch MacBook again the M1 Pro and Air

Hey Luke, I have a 2018 MBP 2.9Ghz 6 Core i9 32GB 1TBSSD! How far will this go compared to the M1 on performance? $2800!!!

As any of us who have used iPad Pro for anything since about 2017 (especially), we were not very surprised at the performance level. Apple's spin on an ARM instruction set chip just keeps getting better. So, stop acting surprised. Personally, I'm a 16" Intel i9 owner. Lovely machine. Being the fastest isn't the goal. Can you get your workflow done with what you have? Great. Also, M1 won't run x86 in a VM, which I need. I've not had the opportunity, but folks in the Python dev community have told me that libraries for M1 just aren't coming. Another hold-your-horses thing for me. There's room for both in this world, and if some still-good-for-heavy-lifting machines get cheap in the process, great. My spend on my 16" is a sunk cost. I'm making the best of it, and I'm not jealous of M1. BTW, the 15" models of that generation did not have good heat management. The thermals weren't really addressed better until the 16", but you can't buy that for $1,000. I like your treatment of used machines, usually. Stop comparing to M1. Rate used Intels according to different kinds of workflow, instead.

Just bought a 2019 16 inch, 16gb and 512 ssd for $600, it looks brand new. Im gonna use it to update my website and lite photo editing. What a deal... these can be bought cheap!

Luke I am buying MacBook. I have two choices. 1. 2017 MacBook 15 inch base model in perfect condition. Or MacBook Air m1 base model in almost the some price. Which one I should go for.

My 2018 is a really good value. 1TB SSD, 32 GB RAM, 6 Core i7 and a Radeon 560X. And I can run my Adobe CS 6 Suite on it! And all a bit older apps not running on newer systems. And it's not so loud as the i9.

hello, Please can you help. I have a question, which Intel-based Macbook Pro can I buy, and like good old days open the back cover and upgrade the RAM and Storage, and maximum how much RAM can I put and also instead of a Hard drive can I put SSD?

I bought a 2019 MacBook Air 2 years ago for college. Wish I had the M1 MacBook Air 😑😭. It’s a good computer but I can’t imagine how much better the M1 MacBook Air is.

I think you're forgetting one major reason why many are going to stick with Intel MacBook's for the foreseeable future. I work in InfoSec and run a KZfaq channel. While it's easy for me to do by content creation with an M1 Mac mini, for my work, I require the ability to virtualize x86/x64 Windows and Linux VMs. This simply isn't possible with M1. Cloud-based virtualization options may be a good alternative, but otherwise the path forward is a bit unclear. Perhaps x86/x64 emulation could be possible, but that remains to be seen.

Would this 2018 be a good value a year later at 600 to 700 dollars?

My mom got a base model M1 MacBook Air and once, I accidentally opened every application on the mac (which was about 50 or so) from the settings, and It did not shut down! It did not suddenly stop working and lag so hard! Which is amazing, and to add to all of that the M1 MacBook Air lasted around 2 and a half days from the factory charge, while doing zoom meetings, a lot of multitasking and work, while staying cool to the touch! These Apple Silicon Chips are really going to change a lot of things! 😌😀😄

Ehhhh something’s afoot here. I have a 2018 15” with the 2.6/560x/16GB and use final cut regularly on it. I recently bought an M1 mini with 16GB, considered the best M1 right now because it has the beefiest cooler, a carry over from the Intel mini. Did my MacBook scream its head off? Yes. Idk what the battery life was like because it was plugged in. The timeline playback of H.264 4K MOV files from my GoPro with a custom LUT and retimed at 4x was significantly smoother on my MacBook unrendered versus the Mac mini. The mini was getting probably 15-20fps whereas the MacBook was getting 30fps. FCPX was chewing at the 560x more so than the processor unlike the M1 where it seemed to be hitting the processor more than the GPU. I made sure both were set to Better Performance for playback. I thought maybe the mini was being held back by driving the 4K display over USB-C to DisplayPort but using the same protocol on my MacBook with the same monitor yielded the same smooth results. In addition the MacBook exported about 5% faster. Is this great? No. It sucks knowing my nearly $3k laptop from less than 3 years ago is getting its heals nipped at by an $899 entry level machine (factoring in the 16GB of RAM in the mini). It’s amazing what the M1 can do. But the Intel machines aren’t quite sealed in a coffin yet. Not until an Apple Silicon machine with a dGPU comes out.

I had no choice but to replace a 2015 MBP recently for my daughter. I got her the M1 Macbook Air, and despite the performance, it does seem like a bit of a downgrade. I'm using my 16" MBP and kicking myself that I can't really justify an upgrade to M1X.

Hey, Luke! But what's about the RAM capacity and I/O? If i get a M1 mac with the same capacity of RAM it will be more expensive. And there is no any M1 mac with more than 2 I/O ports.

Does anyone have the link to that gorgeous wallpaper?

The tests made imply that you are using a laptop as a pro workstation. For office and internet use, even my Retina 15” from 2012 does a very good job, he’ll, I can even run photoshop in that thing for under 500 dollars. Also a1278 are selling still for 400 dollars where I live. So this criteria applies to the pro user for the time been.

I had both the i7 and i9 from work. The i7 worked much better for me and much better battery life. Anyway, I would just pay more for M1 with longer battery life and LESS HEAT.

Luke, I just acquired a 2018 Core i7 2.7 Ghz 13" Retina MacBook Pro with 16 gigs of ram and a 512 gig SSD hard drive in "excellent" condition (and it is pretty mint). Why? Because I only could afford the $680 it cost me (shipped) from a reputable reseller. I have been using it for about two weeks now and it's everything I'd hoped for. Would I have liked a M1? Sure. But it wasn't in my budget. I'd love to see you do a video on laptops like mine in 2023. Are they still viable (if it's all you can afford). I think so, but I'm no Mac expert. Your thoughts?

At least you got a bigger screen, and better speakers - if you can hear them over the fan noise....

The problem is that no matter how much the price comes down on the 2016-2018s, they all still have the butterfly keyboard. The 16” Intel MB Pro though is another story. Once the price gets low enough on those I’ll be all over it.

My MacBook Pro 15'' 2018 starts overheating and lagging as sh!t even in office apps as soon as its Radeon Pro 560X graphics card kicks in. Only disabling it fixes the problem.

No Intel MacBook is not worth it! Wait a minute, I have this exact MacBook model, (256GB) and I would happily trade it for an M1, but the 15” held me back

Thanks, Luke. Interesting info. Not a fan of the orange background, I find it irritating. Keep up the good work.

I liked and subscribed just in case it is related to much cheaper used Intel Macs. 😉

While some here may consider this somewhat sacrilegious, this is one advantage of the “run on any IBM compatible hardware” nature of Windows. While it’s less polished & stable, you can still run the latest version of Windows 10 on Macs that no longer support the latest version of macOS (even all the way back to Macs that only officially support up to Windows 7, if you can trick those Bootcamp drivers into running on 10). With a little bit of fiddling you can also get the latest versions of Linux to run on basically any Intel or PowerPC Mac.

I can't hear the fan noise from the video as my MBP16" is even louder right now...

what watch are you wearing?

I'm relying on this Apple Silicon boom to bring Intel prices down to broke tech guy levels like me.

@Luke Miani Any though on M1 computers having issues with slow speeds on external hard drives. I just bought Mac Mini M1 and my external thunderbolt 3 ssd drives runs slow on M1. On my Macbook Pro 15" 2019 it runs pretty fast at 500Mbs speed. On M1 it runs slow 300Mbs. I have try different cables but same results on M1.

Mr Luke, how about the 2019 16inch macbook

Would you buy a 2018 iPad Pro 12.9 64 gig demo from a big box store for $550. Do I have to worry about it having problems in a year or so

I have a 13 inch Touch Bar mbp its great for a 2017

So a 2021 MB AIR is faster than a 2018 fully loaded MBP?

in some of the tests it beat the air and nearly beat the pro and it is a lot cheaper than the pro and it has a bigger screen to so its not to bad and lets be honest we don't actually need the performance we get from the m1 chip it is just nice to have it

People with 2012 MBP until last year - "Performance does not matter, its the experience and stability." Mac users after 2020: |LOOK AT IT STOMPING ON THAT PIECE OF INTEL SH**T". Don't get me wrong, I'd love some high spec 16'' and I will probably replace my 16'' once it's out, it's just funny how tables turn :)

You messed up in some performance graphs ..just check it once ..Btw great content