Right. Retired german Dipl.phys.Ing., working at Bosch on common rail for this generation of engines.

@@heinzweber7642 haha what a strike of luck, if its true, pleasure to meet you.

@@digitalscale76 .... It s true, hahahaha

@@heinzweber7642 What is your opinion on the OM646/7/8 generation that came in later years in terms of performance mods?

@@thaboy_j Bosch made the commonrail system, I particular the injectors due to the serie specefications of in this case daimler benz. So I can tell you something about the injection system and its potential, not about the potential of the engine, this question goes to mercedes. In this case, the system haves a potential of 2200bar injection pressure, if the engine is able to handle it, ask mercedes

same here, E39 525d 2001, everything original and works perfect.

@@Stress951 E60 535d 2008 and almost 400k kilometers. Engine runs perfectly. No problems at all. Oil changed after each 6000km, so I think it can make 1 million :) And the consumption is really gorgeous. My engine has around 350hp and 700Nm, but on the highway you can make 6 liters per 100km if you will not push it hard. Thank you BMW 😀

shit i'm about to sell my jeep and pick up a 2012 X5 335D to tow a 20 ft boat.

why an SUV, xdrive estates are arguable better.@@og_tokyo

Hello, there is a topic you have been wondering about lately. There is some oil burning in my car. I have a m57 e46 2003 330d car. . Do I need to change the timing chain? Everyone tells me to change it, but there is nothing abnormal. My vehicle has 290,000 km :)

I really want to do that swap. Would be a perfect daily and autobahn classic Touring. What would be average cost for such a swap?

@@miguelosterroht as I did also swap the transmission over to a 6-speed manual from the E46 (320d in my case) I needed a newer style 330d 6-speed flywheel with built in pilot bearing. That would be the single most expensive part I had to buy. If I would have used the 5-speed manual from the e39 the shopping list would have been a lot shorter. My donor car was 200€ (engine, ecus, coolers, parts of the exhaust), flywheel and clutch about 700€, transmission ~150€, transmission mount and accessories ~150€, E38 730d sump, oil pickup and left engine bracket ~50€ + 50€ for a buddy to shorten the sump for me, Mercedes Benz front half of driveshaft which just so happened to perfectly fit 10€, different starter motor for different flywheel ~40€, e39 523i right engine mount ~10€, Volvo diesel engine mount for the left side + custom spacer ~50€ + random small parts everywhere And of course a LOT of time and swearing! Making the exhaust fit (DPF and middle silencer from e39 so I can keep the emissions rating of the e39) was by far the most annoying task to me. I can weld alright but I just hate doing exhaust work.

@@Coldministrator may I ask why you didn't use the m51 left engine mount? I'm currently restoring an E34 525td and I'm planning on doing the swap after bodywork is done - I've read that the left m51 mount fits as it is...

@@endritbikliqi3327 the right mount does fit from the m51, the left one only partially lines up and also the holes that do line up are used by another bracket for the alternator I believe. You can probably make it work but not without welding and the e38 mount was a lot easier to get the desired result for me. Barely clears the steering box but still easier.

I disagree om606 all the way mercedes makes the best diesel engines.

Om606 Is best though the m57 is like the Rb of 6 cylinder diesels

@@AdmissionGaming lol

@@AdmissionGaming RockBitch? RolexBoy? ;)) (not much to choose from in any online slang dictionary....:))

Dpuk just released one

What are the prices of the two engines and what is the best option for installation on the 2009 Patrol? thank u

@@mragbmtfkr5877 om606 would be easier to swap as dont have to mess with ecu, as the fuel pump is mechanical. But, i would have to say my choice would be m57.

yes, m57 is comparable to om48/613

Feel like a M51? What are you on. The 606 has about 2000rpms more to feel. If anything more so the 603 especially looks wise.

@@TheOnlyKontrol I said, by the looks. Nothing about its performance.

@@metsavend112 but the 603 is a single cam…m51 is a single cam and they both have aluminium finish valve covers. It’s a better comparison

About the rocker cover I wonder if the previous owner did a cold intake setup?

yeah the tumbling effect is beneficial, but for longevity swirl flaps are scary, having them get eaten up isnt good.

@@alexfeatherstone6676 agreed, I removed them on mine for that same reason. I’ll give bmw credit though, they did redesign the flaps on the N57 to correct this issue.

I removed and blanked the flaps, but the low torque reduced and the turbo lag is a bit higher/bigger. I would install back the flaps if I could buy brand new.

The E53 X5 came standard without swirl flaps

@@DaBombtasithere are aftermarket upgrade swirl flaps for sale

Exactly. That’s like literally the main reason. M57= common rail, variable geometry turbo, big stroke= torque 606= mechanical pump, wastegate tudbo, bigger bore= rpm= hp

Yet to see a 606 make as much horsepower as an m57 stock motor. Theres a guy running 85psi boost

Plastic-fantastic 😂

Common rail is a PITA, the main reason to not chose the m57

om648 ,the last good commonrail mercedes made with all aluminum intake manifold.with seriousness torque

The M57 is used in the Enso Grenade with ZF gearbox

Whats an Enso granade dude? I googled it but just comes up with hand grenades. Is it a military vehicle? Thanks

I do agree, those are massive

And I believe the long runner is again for fuel efficiency, it's just there to generate more swirl in the combustion chamber at lower RPM meaning a more efficient distribution of the fuel, not necessarily designed for more torque in that area, again I may not be 100% correct but I belive the swirl flaps are closed below a certain RPM threshold and then open up above that as they'll be more airflow.

heavier sor ngs arent bad at all, becouse the spring is harder to push, but in the oposite the spring will push hard after the love. is preti much the same. only at higth rpm would increase friction and wear

Valve spring loss of tension is the primary concern here… this is caused by high cycle fatigue or reduction of the spring temper due to excessive heat. These are primarily a matter for selection of spring material. High silicone steel still remains the industry standard and exotics will not buy you much of anything % wise in endurance or racing like F1 or Indy… PROVIDING THE MATERIAL IS MAINTAINED AT AN ACCEPTABLE TEMPERATURE typically loses loses of tension that can happen in a race is 20%… which coincides with what can be expected for industrial or over the road conditions… or more rare now-a-days piston driven aircraft and for that this fatigue value along with valve recession sets the limit on overhaul requirements. Most of the engineering now has become routine and computer based nearing AI level of set in stone outside of new material developments.

@@AB-gt5sl Re swirl flaps, yes that's right.

@@danyan7 What's that in English? 😛

I had an E90 330d manual and got it to over 200k miles and then sold it. Last time I checked, it was still on the road. It was also tuned as far as you can go with the stock turbo and never missed a beat. It is a great engine. For the past 4 years I've been driving an e91 335d, also tuned... its such a pleasure to drive. Convinced my nephew to get an E60 535d and he's loving it. Counting the number of cars I've had with an M57, turns out I've had 4! E39 530d Touring, E65 730d Sport, and the two E9Xs I mentioned previously.

I’m into 6 yrs of ownership on my e91 m57 325d and even now l still look forward to driving it,fantastic engine in all aspects and just done chains at 209,000 miles as a preventative measure. I want to keep this car forever as nothing newer appeals to me.

Why not the V6 3.0CRD in the sprinter and keep it in the family ;-) ?

@@jmileshc OM642

Om606 is better never had a headgasket fail. Mine is making 320hp/800nm of torque in a patrol w/33" tyres. Been like that for 3 years.

@@AdmissionGaming the HG Failing was a common known problem for those cars because they had organic HG and they couldnt handle the stress in the last 2 cylinders. Nowadays if you rebuilt them, you actually have good radiators, probably a mls HG, do the surface on head and block and you run them with a lot of maintenance and upgraded stuff. Back then in my childhood my father bought the 300TD with under 20k mileage and drove it something past 200k with the headgasket failing every 100k....the bad thing just was that this happened second time on christmas eve and then the taxes for those diesels went above 2k euro in germany...btw a big reason why so many om606 cars were scrapped or sold +150hp with 10l Dieselconsumption wasnt a good thing either...but nevertheless, the om606 300td was said to be more problematic then the 250td variant...

​@@AdmissionGaming What kind of turbo and pump combination makes 800nm of torque with only 320hp ?? Do you have the factory 5speed nissan with a heavy duty clutch???

@@maxgr7723 150 HP or better 147 Hp was the OM 603 without intercoller (W124 series). The OM 606 NA= 136 HP and OM 606 Turbo Intercooler =177PS( Built in the W210 series) Only the OM 603 147 HP Variant had Problems with the cylinder gasket if not driven responsable. Cool, down after motorway speeding... OM 606 never had any Problems with the cylinder head or gasket! Fuel consumption with automatic about 10 liters. On the other had the M57 BMW had problems with the injection systems . The magentic injection valves caused problems to blow up the pistons: Fuel permanentaly sprayed in.... But consumption about 1,5 Liter less than OM 606. But for rough play with tuning and more horsepower i would go for the OM 606. And if you want to drive through 3 rd world countries with bad diesel fuel: More sulfur or wather, the inline Injection pump is much more robust. We had the OM 603 Turbo in the S124 station wagon, the Om 606 Turbo Intercooler in the W210 and the M57 in he E39 BMW

@@ralfpusteblume2144 hi Ralf then i learned something new. I always thought the later w124 models all came with the early om606 engines with mechanic dieselpump whereas the w210 had the electronic dieselpump...if so that might make a lot of sense. All i know is my father always said his had 150hp...but could be that it was actually the 147hp...the multiple failed hg failures if say were caused because the block was never refurbished on the surface and only the head...so the roughness on the blockside was not good thus the headgasket failing sooner and more often...

M57 with disa valves ?

Hi Can you explain more about this please Is that why the M57 has lots of oil vapour coming from oil cap when removed at idle? Or is that the vacuum pump causing that? Regards

that's exactly what makes me wonder too! How so many fumes. It looks like engine damage, but I think all M57s smoke like this. The vacuum pump is a good clue, when I sealed the vacuum system, the smoke decreased by an estimated 30%.

At the moment I have my crankcase gasses going into a Chinese copy Provent 200 with original filter. Seems to keep most of the oil out of the intake👍 Previously I had it drawn out to atmosphere by a cheap 12v air inflation pump(running at 6v) but was a bit awkward waiting at traffic lights etc with lots of oily smelly vapours coming out lol Kept the intake & intercooler perfectly clean though🙂

@@dan8789 I have already installed the provent200 but there was so much fumes that the valve in the top cover opened and it went out. Can you show me pictures of your provent 200 mount?

That happened to me with the cheap fabric filter too, it got saturated with oil after around 30miles & popped the safety valve on top of filter. I used the metal mesh filter that came with the copy provent but that hardly catches any oil. (This was when I was venting to atmosphere) So I bought the original Mann Hummel filter for MOT (didn’t think it was a good idea going for MOT with all those crankcase gases being vented to atmosphere) Cost £40! But seems to be keeping the oil out of the intake. As for mount I modified an air box mount out of a petrol model My car is an E46

Yeah , plentiful and cheap . Good candidate for conversions .

if they do id buy one. and i dont have an m57

emissions will be something to watch out for I expect

The later m57 are Alloy block and weigh 20kg less than the iron m57

Actually having exhaust valves being the same size as intake valves greatly increases exhaust flow and allows spent gases to exit quicker, most companies use the 75% rule as the exhaust valve is 75% of the size of the intake, that makes the exhaust restrictive. All the air in doesn’t matter much if you can’t get it out just as fast to spool up your turbo. It greatly makes the the engine more efficient, I wouldn’t be surprised if the exhaust valves are made of a different alloy verses the intakes cause an exhaust valve sees a lot more abuse in a diesel that the intake valve. I.E. stainless intake, Inconel Exhaust valves. Also possible sodium filled exhaust valve as well to dampen harmonics.

Volgens mij heb ik dat artikel gelezen in een blad over jouw auto. Erg interessant.

@@debozwi AutoWeek was dat idd😅

@@giuliettaevo 2.4 jtdm is shitbox, useless piece of s***t.

ive already swapped om613, if you need hel you can contact me