Yearning for the times when Rome still ruled Europe, and upheld it's "civilization" through slavery?

@@bohemianwriter1 The dark ages were definitely better

Let's understand something that a lot of people today seem incapable of understanding. Death is more cruel and unfair than slavery. It always was, it always will be. A lot of people were not made into slaves, they were just killed and it was worse for them. There is no need to fetishize how bad slavery was because of some modern political agenda. Slavery is horrendous but isn't the most cruel and unfair condition. It wasn't then, it isn't now. This is modern political BS influencing ancient history. Sorry but no

@@jeupater1429 Have you tried it? Being a slave? P.S. With all the living slaves in Rome at the time, they would not be very loyal or obedient to their self proclaimed masters and join any invading forces.

@@bohemianwriter1 yeah it's called modern society

In fact Portuguese and Spaniards learned about black slavery from Muslim Arabs

Indeed. Sexual slavery was common in the arab world of this period. And it is still more of less common.

Did we watch the same video? Slavery did not "slowly disappear" in the ERE because of any moral change (not to mention Constantinople remained a key node in the slave trade of Kipchaks and other Caucasians). They only banned the slavery of Christians, just like Islam banned the slavery of Muslims. And no need to high road anyone about sexual slavery, as one of the other commenters have done. What do you think happened to the women and children taken from Crete? During the Reconquista, Aragon ransomed or enslaved the entire population of Menorca (1287). This was not an isolated case. The Genoese and Venetians raided the North African coast for slaves. The Portuguese raided as far as Bengal for slaves. At the other end of Europe, and more than four centuries later, Russians enslaved Finns in the Great Northern War. There are always these delusional people who think Christian Europe, being obviously so much more ethical, banned slavery and the Transatlantic slavery was some kind of short aberration. Christianity was not, in any way, against slavery. This is not to say they were uniquely horrible. Just pointing out that they are not the angels they claim to be in contrast to Muslims.

@@shamsishraq6831 Slavery was ended in Christian lands. It continues in Muslim lands. That is the contrast.

@@reality9451 It continues in Muslim lands AGAINST the law. The same way human trafficking and slavery continues in the West, need I remind you of that?

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Said by someone who never was one .Its like a billionaire saying he wished he was poor.

Ancient virtue signaling.

so why didn't Pompey sell himself into slavery......? haha

"HE WAS A CONSUL OF ROME!" Well, he was....

Good ol’ General Gnaeus!

because people who live today decendants of upper classes at some point. low classes did not leave many survavors

Meanwhile, slaves and peasants were the 95% of the population.

Wow!

The Vikings were basically slave raiders. The raids stopped only with the abolition of slavery. When they attacked a coastal village they weren't after dried fish or wheat but the population themselves Dublin was a huge slave market

@@WORKERS.DREADNOUGHT Not with abolition of slavery but with conversion to christianity and crusades. Nors became the champions of crussades

The Vikings also travelled thr rivers of Eastern europe capturing slaves for Byzantium and the Caliphate.

Kievan Rus was primarily a country of slave traders. There is a reason why slaves and Slavs are the same word.

You are a slave as well my friend,but it's just more subtle,you are allowed to consume as much as you please and engage in the most depraved behaviour,that's it.

Great comment, I agree

Would it trigger you if he didn't?

@@firstlast5454 No I don't get triggered. Are you triggered because he does? CE and BCE are stupid.

@@CharlesIsMyName lil bro sound kinda triggered at even the thought of others using BCE/CE. Dont worry snowflake, ill try not to use those scary acronyms around you.

it's especially respectable since he considers Christianity a negative influence on ancient Rome.

@@BaikalTii Doesn't mean he thinks it's a negative thing though unless he say's that. But I could understand how going from paganism to the one true GOD might upset some of the worst in the society of ancient Rome.

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It’s said that stupid jokes get upvoted instead of this sensible statement.

In even greater fairness it should be pointed out that before these "hostile populations" became "a threat" to the Roman Empire, Rome was an even bigger threat to these populations! Or should they have welcomed the Romans takeover? And when did they become "civilized", as soon as they had slaves of their own? And what you derogatorily call "marauding tribes" may have been more civilized than you can imagine - never seen Celtic art, or Greek civilisation etc.?

Slavery was, and i hate to say it but it is true, virtually the ONLY way to get the hard degrading but necessary work of society done until money became well-nigh universal. The term "wage slavery" was not invented by the Marxists but by apologists for the Southern planterocracy!

@@Gwunderi25when looking at many of the enemies of Rome, you can clearly see that violence was often instigating by them and not the Romans (which isn’t to say the Roman’s didn’t do this at times) it is indeed true in the beginning that most Roman expansion was due to fighting purely defensive wars.

​@@HistoryDwarfya but the Romans never let the opportunity for conquest and slaves that a defensive war presented pass.

Based on hindsight the alternative would have been to levy a taxes and trade concessions on the defeated people.

You may have to search this up (same with I) but many slaves were actually bred so the demand wouldn’t exceed the supply. Very messed up

Not invading another people?

There is lots of evidence why slavery or similar forms or dependencies were very profitable in pre capitalist societies ...

We are born equal but our path depends on what we do.

Hi Matthew, thanks for your comment :) Indeed, yes, slavery unfortunately still persists to this very day in some regions of the world. It seems to be as old as humanity itself. Sure, I will make a video on the Bacaudae, it will be quite fascinating how much damage they actually did.

As I understand it, the Byzantines eventually reshaped the cruel and wasteful Italian Roman latifundia system, with its over-dependence on chattel-slaves, and coincidentally overhauled their taxation system to accommodate more efficiently an increasingly more modern feudal system better suited to the needs of a shrinking empire facing military threats from all sides. So much so that Islamic conquerors simply took over the Byzantine rural economy (especially in the Levant, Egypt etc.) for themselves, without any great changes to its structure. In part, the early loss of Rome's lazy food backstop in Egypt forced this rethink.

It was very much done on purpose. Research the reforms of Diocletian, he created proto-serfdom in an effort to save the empire

Any culture that reached level of civilization had slaves in those days, Egypt, Babylonia, Carthage , Assiria, Greece , Iran ....

@@muhammadibnmusaal-chorezmi7240 yes I know (I am an archaeologist) but I want to hear acknowledgment of the fact that

​@@JohnDoe-px4ko I thought it is a common knowledge that just 200 years ago 90% of all humans were slaves in one form or another.

​@muhammadibnmusaal-chorezmi7240 yes, and to be fair those cultures that didn't achieve such high level of civilization, also had it.

Roman Emperor: Yes, before God Scripture doesn't outlaw slavery, it just makes it not good and gives limits. Equality wasn't even something people thought about. Freedom was an idea but earthly equality? No.

Jesus never preached equality. That is a post -modern perversion that comes from Marxism. Instead, Jesus reminded us that God is no respecter of persons. That is to say, He does not care what your status is, "for all have sinned, and fall short of the Glory of God" Slavery in ancient times was not the slavery we think of in the Colonial Period from 1550-1865, longer in the Ottoman Empire amnd in varuious Moslem Caliphates in Africa until the end of WW2. Jesus walked in a world wherein slaves were the largest minority class in most societies. They were mostly white people on the northern side of the Mediterrainian Sea, Middle Eastern in the eastern provinces and Egypt, and a mix of African/berber along the North Africa coastal provinces. The most sought after slaves were white skinned, red haired women from Germania and the British Isles. Jesus did not call for the liberation of slaves, nor did he condemn it. He spoke to the world of His day - as it was, and showed the Human Race the Future if they would accept it. Most slaves in the Roman world were not kept in chains, nor beaten or starved, as they were managers of households, wet nurses and nannies, doctors (highly valued if they were Greek or Persian), teachers(same as Greeks or Persians), engineers, market sellers and traders, money handlers (early bankers), etc, etc. Upon the death of the owner, many slaves were freed, given a pension, and some chose to stay with the family. When a slave got old, they could be freed and retireed - or placed on the island in the Tiber River - and/or killed. There is not much evidence of the wide spread killing of retired slaves, but there is evidence of retirement. Hard labor was done by lower valued men who had no skills, or were war prisoners or criminals. These were miners, stone quarry workers, oarsmen in Roman war ships (although many were paid well for that). They were suprvised by other, higher raanking slaves who were paid. The history of slavery is very complex. This video is highly biased.

At this time everyone who was a slave came from a culture that also kept slaves. And in the end it was this Christian West that started with Rome that for the first time in all of human history outlawed and fought against slavery.

@@wolfgangkranek376 Correct.

Neither Jesus nor Paul wanted to make slaves free. There is no condemnation of slavery in the Bible and there are a lot of passages condoning the act. Moral progress on the topic came from Enlightenment thinkers, only nowadays Christian tend to pretend that Christianity always was anti-slavery. In 100 years time Christians will claim that gay rights also came from their religion.

I'd say that constant wars , oligarchy, slavery and genocide (ridiculous brutality?) have thrived pretty well after the fall of Rome...

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Plantations have been replaced by factories and the estate was replaced by the State. The most populated country of the world is a State of slaves with an authoritarian king and the entire world economy relies on that without saying much about it... and of course... what could go wrong with such recipe....??

Slavery still exists in every country in the world today, it's just called "human trafficking" now. It's illegal in most countries, but so is heroin. There are still open slave markets in North Africa, and frequent slave raiding in sub-Saharan Africa. Sex slaves are still trafficked from eastern Europe to western Europe and the US. You can find ads in Saudi Arabian newspapers of runaway slaves. I remember hearing a story of parents that sold their child into a slavery for a flat screen tv in southeast Asia. I attended a briefing a few years ago on modern slavery and was very surprised at the scale of it, how US law enforcement agencies have been trying to stop it, and how little this is talked about anywhere.

Slaves in Rome and Greece (some of them) where wealthy on a par with modern sportsmen.

just considered slaves

They were things, like a sword or a spoon.

They could be granted their freedom, they could run their own business but they where not citizens. Not all the freeborns were either.

European colonial slavery wasn't based on race either. We associate it with Africa today because they had the biggest markets with the strongest, most valuable slaves available for the lowest price. Irish, Slavic, etc slaves were also brought to colonies in large numbers. European slaves could be bought in North African markets, from the Ottomans, from raiding in Ireland, and from captured enemy soldiers, like if a British ship captured a Spanish ship or vice versa, the crew and marines would go into slavery. At some point, people were being stolen right off the streets of London to be shipped off to the colonies and sold, which is the origin of the term "kidnapped."

Unfortunately, slavery was very profitable. So the opportunity to catch more slaves would be a strong motive to fight more wars.

@@petersteenkamp Many tribes in Africa became rich this way. They didn't really fight a war they raided people.

Um in slavery you were never given any rewards for your work, such as a salary or public services/social security, so i dont think that's accurate.

@@callummorgan7495 You were provided with the basic necessities of life. Today, income tax slaves are allowed to keep just enough to provide themselves with the basic necessities of life, with amounts above that taken by force and given to the ruling elites.

@@markvoelker6620 i pay 20% tax so i keep a large majority of my earned salary for myself and a lot of that 20% goes towards providing me healthcare, education, social security etc so its a decent deal. Trying to compare income tax to chattel slavery is a stupid as it is offensive.

@@callummorgan7495 Awww, you’re offended.

​@@markvoelker6620 i assume i shouldn't expect any valid counter point