Manual Transmission vs Automatic vs CVT! BeamNG. Drive

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2 жыл бұрын

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@evoemperor3776
@evoemperor3776 2 жыл бұрын
A cvt that can handle this much torque only exists in beam ng
@aresivrc1800
@aresivrc1800 2 жыл бұрын
Some tractors with a mountain of torque would like to have a word with you... but to be fair, those tend to use a different type of CVT.
@yacinealg152
@yacinealg152 2 жыл бұрын
@@aresivrc1800 they use belt or chain ?
@ottieotter8488
@ottieotter8488 2 жыл бұрын
@@aresivrc1800 most smaller tractors, mostly compact utility tractors have a Hydrostatic transmission. Hydrostatic Transmissions are like a CVT transmission, but it has the hydraulic pumps, power take-off, and 3 point hitch all in one package
@thefellingfella9886
@thefellingfella9886 2 жыл бұрын
Case IH for example, uses cvt in their steiger range (and those are articulated tractors not toys)
@rileychristian1300
@rileychristian1300 2 жыл бұрын
@@yacinealg152 most tractors use a hydraulic valve and pump to change the gear ratio by applying variable pressure to the ring gear on a planetary gear set. That way there is no belt or chain. Here is the link to a video that explains it. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ms2kfK5-ptDadn0.html
@ChrisRand-gf7lz
@ChrisRand-gf7lz 2 жыл бұрын
Not a bad video. Though I have to say if you tasked a current CVT with towing 2-tons, it may have other plans.
@satsumagt5284
@satsumagt5284 2 жыл бұрын
Would probably go PNNNN
@devontesavage2738
@devontesavage2738 2 жыл бұрын
@@satsumagt5284 ah yes, a man of culture
@Tormundisc00l
@Tormundisc00l 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure you could build a CVT strong enough to two 2-tons... for a few minutes. It doesn't have to last hundreds of thousands of miles, it just has to last to the top of the hill.
@satsumagt5284
@satsumagt5284 2 жыл бұрын
@@Tormundisc00l It's possible, doesn't mean anyone will
@SpuddyLlama
@SpuddyLlama 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah look. Mate's 2008(I think, maybe a little older or newer) lancer shot it's gearbox towing a 500(ish)kg trailer with about 100kgs of crap for the dump. So close to 600kg or around that. Since doing a manual conversion he'd has no dramas with that exact same trailer even with more in it. CVT suck ass. In saying that I doubt they ever expected someone with a Nanna spec lancer to be towing so they probably didn't build a gearbox for such applications. Nonetheless still hate CVT. 😋
@rajgill7576
@rajgill7576 2 жыл бұрын
a CVT has many benefits people dont realise, beyond the "quicker" shifts because it has constant ratios. You can design your engine to run best at 1 specific RPM, like a 2 stroke powerband or where your turbo makes the most torque, and set up your CVT accordingly. In the real world, we just don't have heavy duty CVTs in the mainstream yet.
@MichaelMotorcycl
@MichaelMotorcycl 2 жыл бұрын
I drive a CVT accord (2.4, 2017) and I get like 20-25mpg city driving (usually more aggressive on the throttle) but I get upwards of 40mpg crusing at 80-90mph
@bezimienny1337
@bezimienny1337 2 жыл бұрын
@@MichaelMotorcycl use normal units: liters per 100 kilometers
@MichaelMotorcycl
@MichaelMotorcycl 2 жыл бұрын
@@bezimienny1337 in those same letters you could've just looked it up :) 25mpg = 9.4l/100km 40mpg = 5.9l/100km
@SpeedForLess
@SpeedForLess 2 жыл бұрын
DSG would be a good test 🤣
@jjmmjj9999
@jjmmjj9999 2 жыл бұрын
@@bezimienny1337 I use mpg in England? Not everywhere is Eastern Europe
@ramadhanisme7
@ramadhanisme7 2 жыл бұрын
Cvt actually is the fastest transmission, old williams f1 team if I'm not mistaken tested the cvt in f1 and their laptime is reduced by a quite margin
@bakedsynth3447
@bakedsynth3447 2 жыл бұрын
But whats the strongest its not all about speed
@ctre97
@ctre97 2 жыл бұрын
They can be, unfortunately, there are a lot of issues with using a cvt in high torque, high power applications
@steph_7775
@steph_7775 2 жыл бұрын
And they also use a hydraulic suspension system that also help reduce lap time but the CVT helped a bit more
@bakedsynth3447
@bakedsynth3447 2 жыл бұрын
Manual at least in my opinion is still the best combination in all ellements plus you get to select speed and torque output and is a completely locked system as long as the clutch is operating normally
@Ahmet_ozdemirw
@Ahmet_ozdemirw 2 жыл бұрын
CVT is just crap compared to things like tcfa or dct. 92 williams used cvt in a time when all the others were 3 pedal manuals, hence the reason why it was good
@floodtheinbox
@floodtheinbox 2 жыл бұрын
CVT's are technically superior to other transmissions, but they're SO DAMN UNFULFILLING to drive.
@thatguynar
@thatguynar 2 жыл бұрын
Lmfao no
@r1_lives
@r1_lives 2 жыл бұрын
cvt is kinda annoying when the rpm reaches the limit, and it also causes overheating
@kamilowski272
@kamilowski272 2 жыл бұрын
@@thatguynar no what?
@GerberFlerber
@GerberFlerber 2 жыл бұрын
@@thatguynar in theory yes cause your always staying in the peak power with out dropping out of it to shift. But they are extremely boring to drive
@bigtitmaster
@bigtitmaster 2 жыл бұрын
@@r1_lives you dont understand car design
@Calthecool
@Calthecool 2 жыл бұрын
I love the CVTs in BeamNG, I wish they were real
@Lucas-kr5mi
@Lucas-kr5mi 2 жыл бұрын
Look up Subaru cvt transmission
@Lucas-kr5mi
@Lucas-kr5mi 2 жыл бұрын
The cvt is also commonly used in snowmobiles and automatic atvs
@sukmaadhiw9033
@sukmaadhiw9033 2 жыл бұрын
The belt is made of solid hot rolled flexible unobtainium bonded by good wishes and the power of friendship :)
@TurboJuicee
@TurboJuicee 2 жыл бұрын
CVT is real
@2key
@2key 2 жыл бұрын
@Elder Tree 🤣🤣
@kmemz
@kmemz 2 жыл бұрын
You found something BeamNG doesn't simulate fully: CVT friction and slip! But for real, I think Beam only simulates some of the friction loss properties of CVTs, I don't think it simulates the possibility of slip at all
@user-lp6qi7bw9s
@user-lp6qi7bw9s 2 жыл бұрын
Yup that is the only weakness of CVT
@williamchristian3489
@williamchristian3489 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that truck would be smoking from the CVT halfway up basically doing a transmission burnout
@BarikYT
@BarikYT 2 жыл бұрын
This can all be added to the simulation in later stages tho It's really hard to stimulate this correctly because they're are so many variables involved Centrifugal and centripetal forces, material density, stretch, friction, heat coefficient.. Even more than I thought at first 😂😂
@MDCYF
@MDCYF 2 жыл бұрын
@@williamchristian3489 I don't think so Since CVT are common for heavy trackor It depends on how the manufacturer designed it to be. It's not like the CVT on the Subaru XV can handle these. Get rid of old school mind set
@williamchristian3489
@williamchristian3489 2 жыл бұрын
@@MDCYF Of course. Historically speaking, CVTs have been relatively unreliable however. Look up complaints and recalls of Jatco CVTs. It’s clear a big majority aren’t those super tractor CVTs that maybe they should be? I’m sure there’s pros and cons to either design.
@AE86FTS
@AE86FTS 2 жыл бұрын
Of course in any simulated environment like this, a CVT would definitely win. Although in the real world CVTs would break easily with this kind of load
@voodoochild7232
@voodoochild7232 2 жыл бұрын
cvts are probably the best transmission but they have no money or time backing them unlike the more traditional ones. if you could somehow make a chain or more sturdy belt im sure they would be good for hauling
@dafashoso3442
@dafashoso3442 2 жыл бұрын
Omg bro you're dilusional, sorry man but CVTs are garbage! Worst invention ever. The concept was good but actual product has many flaws. Garbage!
@josephschaefer9163
@josephschaefer9163 2 жыл бұрын
If we had extremely better materials to make a cvt work with high power, we'd just apply those to manuals and auto boxes
@thebowtieguy777
@thebowtieguy777 2 жыл бұрын
you could just run them in paralel
@Heartstrong_Productions
@Heartstrong_Productions 2 жыл бұрын
@@thebowtieguy777 But for the consumer market, it wouldn't be cost effective. And way overcomplicated.
@thebowtieguy777
@thebowtieguy777 2 жыл бұрын
@@Heartstrong_Productions no more complicated than a dual clutch trans
@sgt.scrooge4998
@sgt.scrooge4998 2 жыл бұрын
There is one thing manual transmissions will always have; Reliability. Not that automatics or CVTs can’t be reliable either. But manuals are inherently more reliable because they’re mechanically much more simple.
@ricardorafael2015
@ricardorafael2015 2 жыл бұрын
Their reliability depends heavily on who's driving it though, that's why trucking companies are switching to autos.
@sgt.scrooge4998
@sgt.scrooge4998 2 жыл бұрын
@@ricardorafael2015 True lol. this is assuming the person who's driving knows how a manual works and shifts like a boss.
@SlyNine
@SlyNine 2 жыл бұрын
Much cheaper to fix too.
@SlyNine
@SlyNine 2 жыл бұрын
@@ricardorafael2015 very true. I drive a truck and they are almost all automatics now. They never miss, but they do make very stupid shifting choices sometimes.
@sgt.scrooge4998
@sgt.scrooge4998 2 жыл бұрын
@@SlyNine so true bestie
@SalveMonesvol
@SalveMonesvol 2 жыл бұрын
If you have 100 HP or less, the CVT rules. Start adding power, and it stops being so nice. The thing is, you can optimize that engine to be very efficient while giving those 100HP. Also, keeping the rpm below peak power was completely arbitrary, it could have been set to 5.500 rpm and given better results.
@harleyowen91
@harleyowen91 Жыл бұрын
On the contrary if you tune the engine to run at peak power, you don't get peak torque. I think 5k was a good compromise.
@SalveMonesvol
@SalveMonesvol Жыл бұрын
@@harleyowen91 What you said makes no sense.
@edgarpryor3233
@edgarpryor3233 Жыл бұрын
@@harleyowen91 you want peak HP, gearing makes torque.
@dudewtf1776
@dudewtf1776 Жыл бұрын
@@edgarpryor3233 Ratios* make trq.
@dudewtf1776
@dudewtf1776 Жыл бұрын
with the right tune, I've seen Honda civic Turbos that have the cvt with well over 200HP and zero issues.
@mr_knowcargt5007
@mr_knowcargt5007 2 жыл бұрын
Cvts keep the car in the power band, so if they were durable, irl they would be good for towing
@carlos4731
@carlos4731 Жыл бұрын
Finnaly, first channel I see using Beam NG for other stuff different than crashes
@Dia1Up
@Dia1Up 2 жыл бұрын
I mean, top speed doesn't have THAT much to do with what type of transmission. More to do with how it gets there
@Stiinno1
@Stiinno1 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: the CVT is a Dutch invention by Daf.
@liliwinnt6
@liliwinnt6 2 жыл бұрын
excuse me, what's the fun out of it?
@johnnneh3585
@johnnneh3585 2 жыл бұрын
Can you do a Durability test next I love ur vids! Keep up the good work!
@aayonce4
@aayonce4 2 жыл бұрын
Yess do more of these
@legendaryracing904
@legendaryracing904 2 жыл бұрын
Love how the cvt kept the engine in the power band
@linuschegaming
@linuschegaming 2 жыл бұрын
Love your Work 👍 keep it up 😊
@jacak47410
@jacak47410 Жыл бұрын
That's was really cool actually.
@7g6_66
@7g6_66 Жыл бұрын
There’s other cvt transmissions in the mod section that are far better with lots of adjustability, really gives you the edge against other vehicles
@jstorm9010
@jstorm9010 2 жыл бұрын
When it comes to towing, a automatic and cvt transmission just can't compete with a manual.
@jasonmartin9393
@jasonmartin9393 2 жыл бұрын
Great video I would like to see more like this
@qweebey
@qweebey 2 жыл бұрын
Had a Lexus with a CVT and drove over 220,000 km without issues it was a GS450h
@sliwka621
@sliwka621 2 жыл бұрын
That car has an eCVT, that's literally not even a transmission so it does not go bad.
@adammorrison3343
@adammorrison3343 2 жыл бұрын
@@sliwka621 It’s a lexus, it’ll last a long time to begin with. 135000 miles on a lexus is not that much. Not even for a cvt or ecvt.
@andrikgomez831
@andrikgomez831 2 жыл бұрын
In the end I would not want to pay the cost of CVT repair, Manual forever!
@Heartstrong_Productions
@Heartstrong_Productions 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed completely. As others have mentioned, the stuff that's used in tractors is usually decent. But what's in civilian/consumer-grade products is nowhere near the same thing. I have a 1996 F-150 with a 5-speed and I have run the snot out of that thing. Literally the only thing you could do to destroy that transmission is shift it into reverse going down the highway.
@alanhanthura523
@alanhanthura523 Жыл бұрын
I love your channel so much as so
@xpogosam9690
@xpogosam9690 2 жыл бұрын
I built a CVT T-Series and swapped in the 4cylinder diesel bus engine to make a more “city run-about” truck and it works fantastic. If only CVTs could actually handle 1600lbft lol
@darrylguise8493
@darrylguise8493 Жыл бұрын
They were going to be used in Formula 1 but the FIA quickly banned them.
@AmaroqStarwind
@AmaroqStarwind 2 жыл бұрын
You should test cars with freewheel systems next. (If you're not familiar with what a freewheel is... It's a thing that's commonly on bicycles.)
@sirdukeofyork8839
@sirdukeofyork8839 2 жыл бұрын
Actually, quite a few cars have free wheeling devices. 2-stroke and small 4-stroke SAABs had them, the Trabant had them, among others.
@AmaroqStarwind
@AmaroqStarwind 2 жыл бұрын
@@sirdukeofyork8839 I'm mostly just curious if BeamNG knows how to handle them.
@recon1673
@recon1673 2 жыл бұрын
@@AmaroqStarwind Well its technically not a full game yet so they might add them in lol
@Kona5.0
@Kona5.0 2 жыл бұрын
What an awesome video. Always been fascinated by comparisons like this. Is this the game with no mods installed?
@memeslife-wq2tx
@memeslife-wq2tx Жыл бұрын
Probably has 1 mod but only because you can't put a cvt in a truck yet without mods
@ajaychoudhary9817
@ajaychoudhary9817 2 жыл бұрын
what an amazing glorious game this is !
@uraloffroad
@uraloffroad 2 жыл бұрын
Good job bro.you always answer evryones quetions.
@johnl3230
@johnl3230 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, I'd be terrified going almost 140 mph in an old 80s Ford pickup lol.
@AcappEd
@AcappEd 2 жыл бұрын
This is good . CVT's power delivery is way efficient because it remains in the constant rpm range so the vehicle can stay in the optimum powerband as long as it wants according to the needs . This is one of the benefits that many of us people didn't realise .
@Odin3v
@Odin3v 2 жыл бұрын
Most people do who know cars, but CVT are trash reliabilty, and boring. MANUAL FOR LIFE.
@robsterandkadubb
@robsterandkadubb 2 жыл бұрын
@@Odin3v E-CVT is the way to go, no belts, no pulleys. Just an engine on one side and an electric motor on opposite side of a differential. Very efficient and very reliable!
@BrokeWrench
@BrokeWrench 2 жыл бұрын
@@robsterandkadubb yep, If someone built a hybrid pickup with power in mind instead of mileage they could use one of those to get tesla-like performance out of a gas engine
@legendaryracing904
@legendaryracing904 2 жыл бұрын
You should do more stuff with a CVT
@Taydrum
@Taydrum 2 жыл бұрын
Manual wins in my book, because it overheated the least.
@Tracert-mc1hu
@Tracert-mc1hu 2 жыл бұрын
That also means that it was using the engine to the least potential. The fact that the others overheated shows that engine was more fully being utilized because more fuel was being burned, more power was being made, and therefore more heat.
@garretrocha8
@garretrocha8 2 жыл бұрын
@@Tracert-mc1hu the least potential?? makes no sense. Both automatics have torque converters which makes them loose physical energy because of the transfer in energy. Manual is a direct connection because of the clutch so actually the automatics make the engines work harder than the manuals do. This is also why manuals get better gas milage than traditional torque converted automatics.
@Tracert-mc1hu
@Tracert-mc1hu 2 жыл бұрын
@@garretrocha8 Not with lockup torque converters, no. And a CVT is, theoretically, the best transmission because it keeps the engine at its optimal rpm instead of preset ratios.
@Tracert-mc1hu
@Tracert-mc1hu 2 жыл бұрын
That being said, I still prefer a manual, but it is, objectively, a worse option. Reliability aside.
@Taydrum
@Taydrum 2 жыл бұрын
@@Tracert-mc1hu I disagree. I think it's in a more sustainable power band. The automatic and CVT were trying to get the highest speed at the lowest RPM, and when you're going up a really steep hill, that puts an enormous load on the engine. Essentially, those transmissions are disregarding the limits of the engine in favor of low rpm and speed.
@FriscoBoatersGarage
@FriscoBoatersGarage 2 жыл бұрын
CVT is the fastest, but is very fragile in IRL.
@dyslectische
@dyslectische 2 жыл бұрын
No people are stupid and do not know hoe to use a cvt . I have a Friends with a Volvo cvt with 500k on te meter (KLM Europa) (not miles) Car still runs with no problems. My own Honda cr-v have 200k klm on IT . A cvt you have to replace the oil on time . And if you do have tork set a extra oil cooler on IT.
@ale_s45
@ale_s45 2 жыл бұрын
CVTs are so underrated
@MegaCastleRock
@MegaCastleRock Жыл бұрын
1 idea for hauling trailers, they need to have an engine assisted trailer wheels (similar to trains), then the load can conquer any hill.
@tomdavis3038
@tomdavis3038 2 жыл бұрын
With the high cost of repair/maintenance/replacement of automatics and CVT I’d go manual if I had a choice. I have had autos in my last 5 vehicles only because manuals are so hard to find Cheers
@Darklord_tK
@Darklord_tK Жыл бұрын
Depending on the car a manual swap can be cheaper than buying a different car
@Falco_e46
@Falco_e46 2 жыл бұрын
Wasn‘T entirely fair because the auto lost speed at the top due to wheelspin and the diff wasn‘t locked, while it was when the manual set the benchmark
@fisherthegoat
@fisherthegoat 2 жыл бұрын
The CVT didn't have a locked diff either and won
@Falco_e46
@Falco_e46 2 жыл бұрын
@@fisherthegoat yeah because it was so much better but it wouldve won by an either bigger margin if it had one (most likely)
@marcopozzi522
@marcopozzi522 2 жыл бұрын
I don't like cvt but it is the most efficent trasmission because you can stay allways on the highest pick of torque or hp of your engine
@Heartstrong_Productions
@Heartstrong_Productions 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, they're efficient on paper, but the ones that are generally used have such a massive tendency to fail that the repairs makes them not worth the trouble to most.
@LivingTheDream77
@LivingTheDream77 2 жыл бұрын
@@Heartstrong_Productions the ones that fail are nissan cvts only.
@altaccaltacc7652
@altaccaltacc7652 8 ай бұрын
i'm actually sweating nervously for the CVT torque power because you know, belts and stuff. but it actually stuns me that the CVT came out on top i think the main problems with modern cvt transmissions is that they attempted to mimic the automatic transmissions computerized hydraulic shifting which produces more friction and heat thus making the transmission vulnerable to breaking down.
@NFSINSANE
@NFSINSANE 2 жыл бұрын
Just for the record, the CVT would explode
@michaelstewart9308
@michaelstewart9308 Жыл бұрын
Realistically any cvt in a roadgoing car would be slipping like crazy and propably destroy itself before it got anywhere near the top of that hill
@allyoucando8486
@allyoucando8486 2 жыл бұрын
In Puerto Rico CVT is called the unbreakable, if you change the oil transmission when CVT needed you will have a transmission forever, but if you change after 65,000 those 5,000 will cause big damage
@ayee7503
@ayee7503 2 жыл бұрын
What type of CVT is being used in the demonstration? Is it conical, plate, or planetary electric (not sure on the name for that one)?
@crapcopter
@crapcopter 2 жыл бұрын
Lines of code. Although different types of cvt's may be added in the future, but right now it's just simulates an average cvt transmission.
@aresivrc1800
@aresivrc1800 2 жыл бұрын
It simulated belt/chain driven one. Cant really have an electric one without a hybrid.
@BeesonsCars
@BeesonsCars 2 жыл бұрын
@@aresivrc1800 can you adjust where it keeps the RPMs? Seems like I’m the top speed test it’d perform much better if it hovered around 5800 RPM instead of 5000.
@RacinUltimatum
@RacinUltimatum 2 жыл бұрын
@@BeesonsCars you can only change the size of the torque converter, which then affects the peak rpm before final ratio is reached and it goes back to rpm acceleration. Larger converter would bring the rpm down and qouls increase low end launch, smaller would increase rpm but reduce torque efficiency and acceleration.
@DjAlyX1
@DjAlyX1 2 жыл бұрын
@@BeesonsCars it's sitting at peak power if you look at the torque power curve.
@thedefenestrator2994
@thedefenestrator2994 2 жыл бұрын
God I wish we had CVTs that could handle this much power and abuse. I love the benefits of the. CVT, the issue is they aren’t good for high load applications like SUVs and trucks, not yet at least.
@po.russki
@po.russki 2 жыл бұрын
Subaru is known to generally make the best CVTs, and they’re designed to tow in the SUV’s. The new WRX also even comes with the CVT cooler.
@NFLYoungBoy223
@NFLYoungBoy223 2 жыл бұрын
I have a 2007 Nissan Murano with 225,000 miles and I drive it like a TrackHawk
@thedefenestrator2994
@thedefenestrator2994 2 жыл бұрын
@@NFLYoungBoy223 The Murano is a small SUV, same class as the RAV4. That’s barely heavy considering plenty of sedans weight about as much. That’s not much stress to the CVT, compared to what it’d experience in more normal sized SUVS, or especially trucks. And certainly not from Nissan.
@aidenclarke2491
@aidenclarke2491 2 жыл бұрын
@@po.russki And even though their CVTs are mainly traditional (especially for the asian market), they actually have the tech to allow you to put a Subaru with a CVT in low gear so you can get up a hill easily or get power quickly. These things are great tbh.
@NFLYoungBoy223
@NFLYoungBoy223 2 жыл бұрын
@@thedefenestrator2994 the Nissan Murano is a medium sized suv
@marquezkenken6869
@marquezkenken6869 2 жыл бұрын
Well, its just a video. CVT that has this kind of torque is just unbelievable
@joeykliniski3336
@joeykliniski3336 2 жыл бұрын
Good video
@Falco_e46
@Falco_e46 2 жыл бұрын
Were final drive and gear ratios (on auto and manual) always the same?
@DJSI3434
@DJSI3434 2 жыл бұрын
3rd in auto is same as 4th in manual (this vehicle): 1:1, presumably the truck had 4.10s (same rpm at 136 mph)
@MaddclownG
@MaddclownG 2 жыл бұрын
Now let’s see all 3 side by side going at it
@Alphabet7
@Alphabet7 2 жыл бұрын
That sure is a strong CVT
@dennismundt7378
@dennismundt7378 2 жыл бұрын
It is best to drive a trailer with an automatic transmission with a torque converter. A torque converter is wear-free thanks to the oil and there is no interruption in tractive power. When coupling manual transmissions, the clutch linings can quickly burn under high loads and there is also an interruption in tractive power when shifting.
@ferrumignis
@ferrumignis 2 жыл бұрын
Torque converter might not wear, but the brake bands within the transmission do.
@Joumama69
@Joumama69 2 жыл бұрын
cool vid
@fansgalorellc621
@fansgalorellc621 2 жыл бұрын
To this day it amazes me that despite CVT being less sophisticated than a 6 speed automatic, it still somehow just doesn’t perform as good as a standard automatic when it comes to maintaining a gear ratio.
@JSRM-tr6xz
@JSRM-tr6xz 2 жыл бұрын
CVTs don´t maintain gear ratios, they can, but then the efficiency is lost. Cvts constantly change year ratios, to keep the engine stuck on the rpms where the engine gives the maximum torque and power.
@niru215
@niru215 2 жыл бұрын
That's why on most razors or 4wheelers there's a "CVT" transmission other than manual
@popeyeandstraussmx4165
@popeyeandstraussmx4165 2 жыл бұрын
CVTs could not do that in a million years in real life without shattering even with 0 miles. They’re awful transmissions trust me
@Cvxnz
@Cvxnz 2 жыл бұрын
The most approved comment by me
@garretrocha8
@garretrocha8 2 жыл бұрын
@awaters0206 he isn’t wrong. CVTs have a higher failure rate than most transmissions today
@arjungupta3531
@arjungupta3531 2 жыл бұрын
No they are actually pretty good and even got lowest laptimes in F1 and was banned as it was too good if enough R and D is put into it it will get pretty good
@MustangFord
@MustangFord 2 жыл бұрын
@@arjungupta3531 F1 cars are multi million dollar cars. Current normal cars that have CVT transmissions are unreliable and weak.
@andres.96
@andres.96 2 жыл бұрын
Ever heard of tractors? Probably half of all new tractors run cvts.
@NathanFrench
@NathanFrench 2 жыл бұрын
Love the way this game accurately depicts parasitic loss between the three transmissions. It's accurate that a CVT saps the most power from the engine.
@DJSI3434
@DJSI3434 2 жыл бұрын
people usually forget that. That's why if modern manuals had the same top gear ratios as current autos, they'd still get better fuel economy. That's the only reason the autos have higher epa economy. They get proper gearing, most manuals (4 cyls) are around 3k at 70, while the autos are usually now only at 2k.
@merciilmao
@merciilmao 2 жыл бұрын
nice
@VanillaWahlberg
@VanillaWahlberg 2 жыл бұрын
Are we ignoring the part where both the automatic and the CVT hit overheating properties and did damage? They both were smoking.
@fire91217
@fire91217 2 жыл бұрын
The manual smoked too.
@imjashingyou3461
@imjashingyou3461 2 жыл бұрын
The engine overheated from being run at max output for several minutes straight at low speeds meaning little airflow into the radiator. At highways speeds it wouldn't have been an issue.
@shaynegadsden
@shaynegadsden 2 жыл бұрын
they all over heated but the manual didn't fill the temp gauge but the other 2 did before reaching the top
@jstorm9010
@jstorm9010 2 жыл бұрын
I thought I was the only one
@RailsofForney
@RailsofForney 11 күн бұрын
The fact that the Auto had 4 gears and the Manual had 5 is a clear issue with the comparison…or at least it might have been better to make sure the gearing was the same
@Kat-er8ex
@Kat-er8ex Жыл бұрын
Forgotten mustard is really funny
@jrjulien5016
@jrjulien5016 2 жыл бұрын
Someone better tell nissan to hire Beam to design thier cvt transmission.
@777kustumz8
@777kustumz8 2 жыл бұрын
Cvt more expensive when it fails I was told, and you won't find them with high mileage like some automatics 200k, some manuals have gone for 500k + just 500ish clutch replacements, so distance per dollar, msnual, then automatic, then cvt, from what I've been informed
@JustIn-sr1xe
@JustIn-sr1xe 2 жыл бұрын
sounds like the CVT had the lowest overall RPM, while still maintaining good torque and top speed.
@stevenleyson728
@stevenleyson728 2 жыл бұрын
its a game, different than in real one.
@diamondminer7464
@diamondminer7464 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta respect the first test making 0.5 mpg
@Michael-pp8lz
@Michael-pp8lz 2 жыл бұрын
CVT without the simulated gears feels weird in person
@itself227
@itself227 11 ай бұрын
You forgot the part where the CVT broke and nobody within 500 miles would work on it
@mustangdbest220
@mustangdbest220 2 жыл бұрын
What about sport shifting mode
@furu4488
@furu4488 2 жыл бұрын
i love it
@Jerkwad152
@Jerkwad152 7 ай бұрын
I'd trust the manual the most not to detonate in hilarious fashion, though. :)
@veljkostejic9594
@veljkostejic9594 2 жыл бұрын
is there any difference about the CVT and the conventional automatic transmission bc i have been researching about the CVT on google but i have been only hitting my head against the wall so can someone please explain to me about the difference
@TechTubeHDReviews
@TechTubeHDReviews 2 жыл бұрын
It’s. A bit tough to explain, but CVT’s use belts on moveable pulleys as opposed to physical gears. The CVT can move the belt pulleys in any configuration to essentially create one gear that can change into different, endless gear ratios. Normal transmissions are physically switching gears and have a limited amount of gears to run through.
@veljkostejic9594
@veljkostejic9594 2 жыл бұрын
@@TechTubeHDReviews i think i understand but still correct me if i'm wrong the CVT is just a gearbox that has inside of it 2 gears that are connected one to another by a belt and semi connected to the engine but the higher the rpm of the engine the faster the gear that transmits power to the wheels becomes
@TechTubeHDReviews
@TechTubeHDReviews 2 жыл бұрын
@@veljkostejic9594 essentially, but there’s no gears. Just pulleys and belts. The pulley is able to move inward and outward, which pinches the belt, moving it closer or farther away from the other pulley, effectively changing the diameter of the pulley. This is the best visual representation I could find: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q6l1qaV4uZ7Yp4E.html
@saljaksupra8875
@saljaksupra8875 2 жыл бұрын
Look at a snowmobile drivetrain with the belt and clutches, that’s a cvt
@veljkostejic9594
@veljkostejic9594 2 жыл бұрын
@@saljaksupra8875 ooohhh wait, now i get it
@LAWREANO1998
@LAWREANO1998 2 жыл бұрын
My mom with her old Fit/Jazz CVT beat all kind of cars on the traffic lights it's amazing. It's funny how people hate on it because all them got their asses beaten by CVT, also that transmission is so damn good to do fuel economy, also the comfort is amazing the car feels smoooth. My mom had 2 Fit's (amazing reliable car) all them she drove more than 200.000 KM without a problem on the transmission it's not bad like people is saying it’s just sour grapes. Just do the oil change in the right time and everything will be fine.
@batoolbatool503
@batoolbatool503 2 жыл бұрын
unbelievable results 😯🤯
@gameonyolo1
@gameonyolo1 Жыл бұрын
What about a video of a drag race between 1 through 11 speed transmissions?
@liliwinnt6
@liliwinnt6 2 жыл бұрын
i guess the lifespan of the cvt would be shortened if you tow things uphill very often
@BEAMERNOOB
@BEAMERNOOB 2 жыл бұрын
would like to see a 60-120 comparison
@zoppp621
@zoppp621 2 жыл бұрын
Next do an eCVT/Powersplit hybrid vs all
@Athiril
@Athiril 2 жыл бұрын
CVTs in real life give up and shut off to protect from damage. While autos will keep climbing with or without low gear due to torque converter, and manuals, well more predictable, and usually would have low range for climbing.
@spotter287
@spotter287 2 жыл бұрын
Pls use this hill more
@lookingthroughice7843
@lookingthroughice7843 2 жыл бұрын
You need to redue this comparison. The driver or drivers where drunk, they couldn't keep the truck in one lane, they where all over the road.👍🍻
@gamehub9125
@gamehub9125 2 жыл бұрын
In a daily driver, I would have a CVT because they can be at the best rpm for fuel economy or power at any time but they aren't good for towing or fun. I would use a manual for fun and an automatic for towing.
@hybrid.roodragon1226
@hybrid.roodragon1226 2 жыл бұрын
You forgot the electric direct drive in the thumbnail. That also counts
@TiagoTiagoT
@TiagoTiagoT 2 жыл бұрын
The video would've benefited from a total scoreboard at the end
@ouch1011
@ouch1011 Жыл бұрын
To be clear, most automotive CVTs break because they are cheaply made. The biggest reason economy cars use CVTs rather than something like a 10spd auto is because the CVT is way cheaper to build. The 10spd is just as capable as the CVT of keeping the econobox engine in it’s efficiency range, but the CVT is way less expensive. If a manufacturer actually put some money into building a good quality CVT, it could be built to handle any torque or load you wanted it to. Saying that a CVT would explode under this load just because you saw CVT from a Sentra fail is like saying that the auto trans from a Ford Escape would explode if you tried to tow 10klbs. Of course it would, but an auto trans that is built for that kind of load would be fine. Same with a CVT built for that kind of load.
@mr.joker_msi
@mr.joker_msi 2 жыл бұрын
Good game 🎮 👏
@shaneoex
@shaneoex Жыл бұрын
An 8 speed auto is aggressive like a cvt. Some cvts slip alot uphills engine gets loud and no forward movement like nissan
@bendino9016
@bendino9016 2 жыл бұрын
if the automatic had a high stall torque converter it would have been way faster. please test the stall on the automatic torque converter if possible
@hussainainme4105
@hussainainme4105 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact : The CVT transmission used for tanks
@ericyea6603
@ericyea6603 2 жыл бұрын
where did you get that engine info UI app?
@jasonmartin9393
@jasonmartin9393 2 жыл бұрын
Could u do a video on Which on is cheaper on gas
@risitiaina2965
@risitiaina2965 Жыл бұрын
Did the CVT really win the uphill tow? Cause to me if the vehicle is smoking and the engine is flashing that usually means something went wrong. I feel the manual won that one since it wasnt even smoking by the time it reached the top
@ziyuezhang4143
@ziyuezhang4143 10 ай бұрын
For pure performance, the CVT should be tuned to run at the rpm with maximum power as much as possible.
@babyboss8208
@babyboss8208 2 жыл бұрын
Only real man drives and loves manual transmission
@timkis64
@timkis64 2 жыл бұрын
now if only someone could actually build a cvt that capable of handling such loads without destroying itself.
@BrokeWrench
@BrokeWrench 2 жыл бұрын
It's possible with an electric or hydraulic motor working as a power differential transmission. That's what most modern hybrids use. It's tough because it is 100% geared from engine to wheels. They just need to be upsized for a beefier power level
@mafizon
@mafizon 2 жыл бұрын
Cvt is best in light cars with moderate power. Heavy cars such as sedans start not to offer a good performance because the cvt exchange is very pressured
@DeWorDeR
@DeWorDeR 2 жыл бұрын
CVT has it good sides and bad sides. Good is that the engine power is always maximum when pulling, but bad side it's CVT :DDD
@madalinnpopescu
@madalinnpopescu 2 жыл бұрын
Hi there! I am such of a big fan of you Forgotten Mustard! I really want to know how did you get the this map from 3:28 of this video. Because I didn't find it everywhere..
@b0bsaget007
@b0bsaget007 2 жыл бұрын
This map is called Special Stage Route B, if I am remembering it correctly.
@madalinnpopescu
@madalinnpopescu 2 жыл бұрын
@@b0bsaget007 Thanks Man I much Appreciate!
@guero9093
@guero9093 2 жыл бұрын
I like how it’s a Chevy cab with a ford front end and dodge tail lights
@satsumagt5284
@satsumagt5284 2 жыл бұрын
Your launch with the manual one at 5:10 was total crap though. Dropped from 6k to 2k RPM. And I do really wonder if you geared these trucks correctly, also keep in mind the automatic is a 4 speed. Were it a 6 speed, maybe the manual would’ve beaten.
@conwaysdetailing387
@conwaysdetailing387 2 жыл бұрын
I believe the manual made a far more stout run than the auto
@conwaysdetailing387
@conwaysdetailing387 2 жыл бұрын
But I don't see what better launch he could have done with the manual..? He ran it as well as I could have been
@satsumagt5284
@satsumagt5284 2 жыл бұрын
@@conwaysdetailing387 It’s horrible, the RPMs fell almost to idle. I wonder if just flooring it from the standstill and letting the game control the clutch makes a better launch, very likely yes
@satsumagt5284
@satsumagt5284 2 жыл бұрын
@@conwaysdetailing387 manual did great, but imagine if the auto was a 6 speed? Either way, true comparisons aren’t really possible IRL either, just take a look at the Quattroporte M139: The automated manual (DuoSelect) one has MUCH better gearing than the Automatica models (I have ratios from both models if you’re wondering), even though both are 6 speed. So, the Duo obviously wins any performance comparison you want. It’s even got a dry sump.
@conwaysdetailing387
@conwaysdetailing387 2 жыл бұрын
@@satsumagt5284 a 6 speed auto highly refined and tuned would have done great. As far as letting the game run the clutch so that it would slip some, it wouldnt help anything, you'd just have it slipping the clutch and not going anywhere rather than dumping it and grabbing the next gear and getting rolling
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