Mazda MX-30 R-EV - Wankel EV (ENG) - Test Drive and Review

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Mazda MX-30 is a crossover built on the same platform as the moneymaker CX-30. Three years ago, almost to the day, I reviewed Mazda MX-30 - the Japanese brand’s first electric car. It was interesting, and quirky. And now Mazda decided to add fuel to the fire, and launched the R-EV, which is a plug-in hybrid.
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↔ Mazda MX-30 R-EV dimensions:
✔ length: 4395 mm
✔ width: 1795 mm
✔ height: 1555 mm
✔ wheelbase: 2655 mm
✔ boot/trunk: 311-1155 L
💲 Mazda MX-30 R-EV starting price: 35 990 euro
💲 Mazda MX-30 R-EV price as tested: 45 040 euro
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Chapters:
0:00 intro
0:45 what is Mazda MX-30?
2:50 Mazda MX-30 R-EV
3:40 Mazda museum
4:05 Mazda and Wankel rotary engine
4:30 how does the Wankel rotary engine work?
5:25 changes in Mazda's Wankel engine
6:30 performance
7:15 charging
7:55 economy
8:30 driving impressions
10:20 conclusion

Пікірлер: 106

@nikolayrayanov2895 8 ай бұрын

I think that is actually exciting! The range, the fast charging, the engine as generator.

@whocares264 Ай бұрын

yes like the bmw i3 Rex ten years ago, but the bmw is better in every way

@JulioGarcia-ns8ip 8 ай бұрын

"If you are considering this car it's because your Excel file is telling you to" 😂😂😂

@joonglegamer9898 8 ай бұрын

He's not wrong. I was like, I can't ever afford an EV. I've been wanting one since 2010, but the prices haven't gotten much better, but the general ranges have - except the MX-30. But at the dealership I joked around with not being ever able to afford an EV, and the dealer said "hold up..." what if I told you I can give you this one for 20K? I was like, that's an EV? Yeah, and I drove away with it without testing it first (yeah, lol). It was never sold in the store, they had it as a demo for 2.5 years and it just didn't sell. Now I've had mine for 6 months, and I'm in love with it. It's super silent, drives so comfortably, and the sound system is beyond unbelievable. I had a loaner car for 1 day because of a free service I insited on (since it was 3 years old at the time), and I have to say - I'm never ever going back to an ICE car after this, it's just too much of a different world, I've been spoiled now. People don't get this car because of the range, well - my coworker has an 60K E-tron (roughly the same size as my car) we park next to each other every day, and his charge is 17 percent while mine gets to about 86%, ofc. the battery size is different, but he gets such low-range in -1c degrees that he now goes HMMMM...when he sees the actual range I get. Now he's talking about, wtf...didnt I get yours instead, I paid 40K more for mine and it hardly seems worth it.

@j.v.f.8736 2 ай бұрын

There you have it. A potential success only if the price was around 20-25K.

@michaelpapaioannou8921 8 ай бұрын

Much better review than the previous on MX-30 full EV. You had a good mood today 😅👍👍

@MarekDrivesENG 8 ай бұрын

Better weather :)

@em05156 8 ай бұрын

Although full EVs might be the future, we are still in the present and, this half-way solutions seem to be the correct way to go. Theses days, seems like it's either 100% or 0%, and I don't understand why there aren't more "half-way" solutions like this R-EV. (or the i3 REx, Opel Ampera, etc) Being a transition, this makes a lot of sense. Now, about the Mazda, I'm curious to see the efficiency and, above all, the reliability of the Wankel. But, in concept, I love this thing. For real!

@Jopoilija 8 ай бұрын

This will be my choice over Nissan ePower models maybe🎉

@tjdent7166 8 ай бұрын

I owed a 1993 Mazda RX7, twin turbo and as 0 to 60 in 4.9 secs. Out the factory door. It was amazing. Smooth, unbelievable handling. As I got older and the family back problems showed up, I sold. Sports car ride too much on my old bones. Wow!

@Tom-uk2ow 8 ай бұрын

Something like Japan Citroen...I like it,on strange way...

@Da_StormtroopeR 8 ай бұрын

Back in the days my father had a NSU Ro 80, the Mazda dealer here in our town has also some of the classic Mazda models and a Ro 80.

@piglet5287 8 ай бұрын

Fascinating engineering, I'd love one! Any ideas whether the Wankel version will come to UK?

@squeak142 8 ай бұрын

Already available

@piglet5287 8 ай бұрын

@@squeak142 thanks I'll have a look in my piggy bank

@ysjmichael 8 ай бұрын

Can feel the excitement in the voice😁 the recording seems to have picked up the high-pitch rev of rotatory engine? Its powertrain should be rolled out to practical cx50 or cx60 sooner.

@whyyoulidl 8 ай бұрын

Many thx as always Marek. Your reviews and videos are a highlight of my viewing. Keep up the good work 👍🏿

@MarekDrivesENG 8 ай бұрын

I appreciate that!

@JulioGarcia-ns8ip 8 ай бұрын

Now that Toyota is an investor, I'd love to see the full hybrid drive on the cx-30. Coupled with the skyactiv X, it would be a powerhouse of low fuel consumption

@Emaratilfy 6 ай бұрын

I have a Mazda 3 (4th gen, 2022 Mild Hybrid) and just got a new job in the city where I do most of my kilometres. I went from 6.4L/100 km (85% highway, 15% city) to 9.3L/100 (95% city)... We occasionally do longer trips (+100km) 1-2 times per month, and thr R-EV would fit us perfectly! And don't forget the premium feel and quality of the interior and all the features you get compared to similar priced cars

@maredox 8 ай бұрын

6,5l/100km...my Toyota Corolla TS 2.0 HEV is achieving 5,5l/100 without breaking any sweat...and no worries about the cables and looking for empty charger....with 25 years old technology...witch works...

@Glen799 8 ай бұрын

Good car for new zealand with it lack of chargers

@franksasse3883 8 ай бұрын

I was trying to find the best fitting use case: Commuting BEV lovers with range anxiety but no home charging option . Maybe overall 60% of short distance driving per day (40 km/day), always within battery range. Quick recharging always available in urban regions or on highways. On weekends or on vacation longer distance driving , which stands for the usage of the rotary engine mainly. Comparable competitive options are not available in this price range. E.g. Hyundai Kona Electric, min €10000 more; Honda HRV, about the same price but no plug- in option. Higher overall fuel consumption when commuting. So, what do we believe, how many potential customers are there around in Europe?

@MarekDrivesENG 8 ай бұрын

Not at all. Unless you have a permanent, cheap charging solution PHEV and BEV don't make sense. This is for people, who commute short distance, but don't want to be limited by charging infrastructure on longer journeys. If it were up to me, I'd put all this inside a CX-30 shell (because it would fit), but otherwise it would have made sense 5-10 years ago, when PHEVs were still incentivised in some countries.

@fordgalaxie3726 8 ай бұрын

HR-V Hybrid does the commuter job just fine at 4,3 l/100 km. And it offers much more space in the same compact size.

@tenwatts2378 5 ай бұрын

Where I live the Volvo EX30 is the same price and that is a no brainer IMHO. I did test drive the original MX30 and loved it and If it had even a 52 KW/H battery I would have bought one. Range is just not an area people are willing to compromise on. Still while I personally never want to buy gas again I do get why some people will want this car.

@j4v3l73 8 ай бұрын

Rotary+EV perfect match?

@AD-lf9ck 8 ай бұрын

I've been wondering why mazda couldn't just put turbo in mx 30 or electric battery in cx30? Instead of experimenting

@piglet5287 8 ай бұрын

It's almost worth it just so you can say "Wankel Rotary Engine" as often as possible

@jordzander1616 8 ай бұрын

That's why I would buy it haha

@siavashgoudarzi4056 2 ай бұрын

Hi Thanks for the information. How about The Air Conditioner? is that powered by an electric motor or connected to wankel engine?

@MarekDrivesENG 2 ай бұрын

AFAIK it's electric. The Wankel engine is just a range extender, so no point running it to have AC.

@bobbailey7024 Ай бұрын

I have a Mazda CX30 Sport Nav 2.0 litre 6 speed automatic. Head up display, forward and rear facing radar and all the usual accessories, reversing camera, built in satnav, traction control, speed sign recognition etc. It does everything I want it to do and I can refuel in less than 5 minutes. If they'd made the CX30 into a long range EV or a hybrid I might have considered buying one. I don't like the suicide rear doors on the MX30 and the cramped rear seat, and the fact that the large front doors open so far - likely to strike another car in a car park. The depreciation is ridiculous. I have seen a 2022 model with less than 1,500 miles for under £17,000 and that's at a dealership.

@maxinlux6570 8 ай бұрын

Interesting battery charging stats- i've been rocking my CX 60 PHEV for about six weeks now (first ever Mazda and first ever EV/hybrid). The battery capacity is the same, but I can only charge at a maximum of 7 kW AC (around 2.5 hours, 5.5 at home on a domestic AC plug) with no DC charging option... Are you sure about your MX 30 R-EV charging figures?

@MarekDrivesENG 8 ай бұрын

The last stat - >2h 0-100% - is mine based on the battery capacity/11 kW AC. Everything else is Mazda's specification.

@maxinlux6570 8 ай бұрын

@@MarekDrivesENG Thank you! Must check my handbook again...🤔☹️

@redjohn20001 8 ай бұрын

I agree with you, they should have made it a more usable small family size car. I had the all electric one for a day when it first arrived and thought how nice it was, but the range let it down. I have an MG 4 nice size for me but needs a bigger boot but other wise good. But I still get put off doing the big trips in an electric even though the charger network is expanding in the UK. Now, a VW ID3 size car with the Mazda hybrid power train would be ideal as my day to day trips rarely exceed 40 miles on electric and petrol for the occasional big trip would suit me just fine.

@MarekDrivesENG 8 ай бұрын

Are PHEVs still somehow incentivised in the UK?

@laupakhin 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the review of this Marek. I have been waiting to see this in action ever since Mazda announced that they were bringing the Wankel back. I think the idea has merit, but the execution has me scratching my head as well. A rotary engine should be inherently smoother and more compact than a standard piston engine, making it a good choice as a range extender. Putting this in a weirdly impractical body (I've had a poke around one and it's strange how little interior space there is), and cutting the battery range I'm not so sure about. Still, when some used examples appear it might be an interesting choice for a runabout

@TEVAssociation 8 ай бұрын

We already have the bev here not sure they ll bring Rex..also mistake to cut battery in half IMHO

@madmax3397 8 ай бұрын

what was that grey car with gul wing doors

@MarekDrivesENG 8 ай бұрын

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autozam_AZ-1

@defdaz 6 ай бұрын

I think it's genius!

@extreme8808 8 ай бұрын

I remember a similar concept from Audi, some years ago, in the shape of an A1 with a tiny, single-rotor range extender at the back and it made me genuinely excited. It was going back to their NSU roots. Obviously nothing came of it . . and now I see why. I don't get Mazda's reasoning to put a type of engine, well known for its horrific fuel economy into a car that's suppose to be all about fuel economy. Experimental, that I get, but still begs the question. They have beautiful range of SkyActiv engines for economy. What is a rotary engine bringing to the table, compared to any SkyActiv engine? Is it all because of packaging?

@MarekDrivesENG 8 ай бұрын

Back in the day amounts of booze served during dinner at launch events allowed certain Eastern European journalists extract interesting, and usually true information from experts at the table. These days alcohol is served at a modest rate, so as to protect the general marketing stance on certain subjects. No, they have no clue who and why thought it was a good idea, but they will not admit it.

@piglet5287 8 ай бұрын

How inescapable is it that rotary engine means heavy consumption?

@MarekDrivesENG 8 ай бұрын

I know. You can't fathom it sober.

@extreme8808 8 ай бұрын

@@MarekDrivesENG I guess that sizeable amount of alcohol was relocated to the engineers. Can't imagine a sober person, suggesting notoriously thirsty engine for a PHEV 😁

@mdo 8 ай бұрын

There's a few reasons. The wankel engine is very light and compact. And while it's not ideal for powering wheels directly, it has a specific RPM where it is very efficient (similar to any other petrol engine, really). When acting as a generator it can be kept in that RPM, so it should be lightweight, effiicient, and not too noisy.

@clausandreasen5310 4 ай бұрын

A perfect car...

@alecmally5433 2 күн бұрын

Any news on possible changes for 2025? I mean the basic electric car design this is derived from is getting a bit old.......

@MarekDrivesENG Күн бұрын

It's been such an astounding success I doubt they'll be pouring more development money into this model. Having said that, I think they are thinking of using the rotary engine range extender in other future models, which IMO is as stupid, as this the MX-30.

@miguelsampaio6199 5 ай бұрын

I like to see a Hybrid Performance turbo rotary engine + dual clutch and eletric motor 600hp

@redxfleetfleet7232 8 ай бұрын

just looking at all those models in that building show how Mazda tended to always push the envelope on designs. That made them distinct. But not sure the 0.58 a Holden Premier was an outstanding one, for Holden maybe, but not Mazda. ⏳

@MarekDrivesENG 8 ай бұрын

Mazda bought Holden bodies, and made some 800 examples of what they called the Roadpacer AP. It wasn't very successful either. Not even with a 1.3 liter Wankel engine 🤣

@redxfleetfleet7232 8 ай бұрын

Those old Holden premiers were build like tanks, so weight would have slowed the wankel.@@MarekDrivesENG

@thinkingmushrooms2943 6 ай бұрын

What's the fuel economy if I NEVER plug it in?

@MarekDrivesENG 6 ай бұрын

Probably 7-8L/100 km.

@jambosalad 4 ай бұрын

What's the point in getting a plugin car and never plug it in!?

@MarekDrivesENG 4 ай бұрын

@@jambosalad AFAIR a decade or so ago in the Netherlands you got massive tax breaks on company cars that were PHEVs. So people bought them, claimed the tax break, but didn't bother to plug-in, because they benefited hugely regardless of driving electric.

@MG3-Hybrid 8 ай бұрын

Along with a 50 litre fuel tank the overall range seems to be poor and i am being polite.. something is wrong or the MX-30 R-EV happens to be very inefficient once the battery depletes.

@MarekDrivesENG 8 ай бұрын

In PHEVs, whether the ICE is just a range extender or we decide to use a regular ICE to additionally recharge the traction battery, fuel economy is always going to take a hit. This was just a launch event, so we had limited time to test the car. Probably if we just depleted the battery, and drove around with the engine generating just enough energy to keep us going, rather than recharging to a set level, it'd be more efficient.

@ianallen8305 2 ай бұрын

There is a lot of experimenting with the three modes. If you set it to Charge then it charges all the time and drive hard using the extra generated boost you will get 39mpg. If you set to EV it will deplete the EV for fifty odd miles then charge then switch back to EV in this mode it averages 91mpg real time non of this claimed 250 mpg nonsense. There is also a normal mode where you let the car decide this is not as economical as EV mode. Mazda has understated the range owners are experiencing a lot more than claimed. Which is unusual amongst EV manufacturers.

@Molishious 2 ай бұрын

This is the third video on this car that I’ve watched and none of them have stated official MPG or EV efficiency. Seems odd as if you don’t need to use gas then you probably should just buy an EV. Otherwise you are buying this car because you need to use the engine and it might be good to know if it gets 10 mpg or 50 mpg. It’s not particularly cheap, fast or practical, so if it isn’t efficient what’s it’s selling point?

@MarekDrivesENG 2 ай бұрын

Your guess is a good as mine. There was no reason for this car in pure EV form, and the PHEV (because let's not kid ourselves by calling it REx or REv) is a head-scratcher as well.

@Molishious 2 ай бұрын

@@MarekDrivesENG I’ve watched 4 reviews of this car and to me it’s a disaster but gets pretty complimentary reviews. I think most reviewers don’t really know how to review a PHEV. How efficient is it to charge the battery using the motor on this car? No review says. My PHEV has a MPG of about 38 when using gas to move the car, if you use the engine to charge the car and then use the battery it gets about 20 mpg. So that makes me a bit suspicious of this even though it’s not the same system. Numbers get confusing with PHEV’s and people who normally know what they are talking about often don’t realize they misunderstand how the numbers are being calculated.

@MarekDrivesENG 2 ай бұрын

@Molishious I realise PHEV needs a specific use case scenario to make economic sense. If one's daily commute is within the PHEVs electric range, it's a win. Or maybe limit the use of the ICE to just a small portion of the daily commute. If not, one should probably look for a different model with a longer electric range, so as to leave that ICE mainly for occasional longer trips. However many of my viewers want to know, what's the fuel economy going to be like, when they deplete the traction battery. And even though I tell them this is not what a PHEV is mainly for, they want to know, how much that weekend trip beyond the car's electric range is going to cost them. And it's a reasonable question, to which the answer usually is: dearly! :)

@stefanweilhartner4415 8 ай бұрын

i think in combination with the new LFP battery that supports 4C charging from CATL and double the EV range it would be a hit. but 85km WLTP range is not enough for my taste. 17.8kWh battery and a range of 85km also means that it really has a very poor efficiency. put it a modern drive train, like the app550 from VW and you get over 100km range from the same battery. all in all, i think it is a very cool concept but very badly executed. put in an app550 drive train, put in the new l(m)fp high power battery from CATL and you have an excellent plug-in car that is not one single € more expensive than it is now. that would be highly attractive with 210kW power!

@beanapprentice1687 7 ай бұрын

The quoted capacity figure might not be the usable capacity.

@OutdoorWeekend 8 ай бұрын

Hello Everyone 😊 Kia xceed vs Mazda mx-30 What you going to choose and why?

@patricepnc 8 ай бұрын

yes, but what about consumption with this « generator » when battery depleated? also, not so cheap, in higher specs, about tesla price and more expensive than some gelly family evs. tks

@MarekDrivesENG 8 ай бұрын

No clue. This was a launch event. Limited time.

@MG3-Hybrid 8 ай бұрын

By Mazda's own admission on their website when quoting total range of 400 miles (with 50 litre tank) then it becomes clear how poor this tech is.

@sureshruparel8433 7 ай бұрын

Why are they not in India🇮🇳 thatst my surprised about it

@kevinn1158 8 ай бұрын

I liked. But I don't like the Wankel. It's just such an inefficient engine. Or it was. I do think that BMW had a good idea with the REX i3 but it seems regulations restricted the size of the gas tank to that stupid size. Go figure. Not having a drive shaft etc seems to be a good idea and having this kind of hybrid will save weight? For sure it saves battery size.

@MarekDrivesENG 8 ай бұрын

Unfortunately this car is heavier, than it's BEV counterpart :)

@kevinn1158 8 ай бұрын

@@MarekDrivesENG wow. I wonder how it breaks down. ie how much does that freakin' engine weigh? The i3 used a 650cc motorcycle engine just to act like a generator for the battery.

@MarekDrivesENG 8 ай бұрын

Mazda says it's "15 kg lighter", but they don't say lighter than what, as they specialised in twin-rotor Wankels. I guess it's 15 kg lighter, than whatever a single rotor would have weighed if they made one. The old one weight about 150 kg dry.

@bellbay9090 2 ай бұрын

I hated your noisy background music more than Mazda’s rotor engine PHEV. The car’s front design is the best in the world.

@theairstig9164 6 ай бұрын

No Mazda MX-30 plug hybrid in my market. They are just not sold. Must have been taking lessons from Toyota

@BillyNoMates1974 8 ай бұрын

6.5L / 100km (36 MPG UK). pah I never get that low with my automatic car. may as well stay with a small petrol automatic car and cut out the electrics.

@piglet5287 8 ай бұрын

I'm beginning to be worried by your reviewing style, Marek. On the plus side, you've binned that shot of you sitting on a toilet in a motorhome😂. But now we seem to get a history lesson as often as a car review. Ok, there are " motoring intellectuals" who might be interested in Mazda's history, but that isn't the title of your review, and one thing that distinguishes professional from amateur KZfaqrs is getting to the point quickly. What Car do this well in the UK. All the history (we got it in the recent Prius review too) tends to crowd out the details of the actual car -and you can do detail really well. There's also an over-complication creeping in. Explain clearly that there's a pure electric MX30 that has been panned for its poor range, but don't assume all your viewers have already seen that video or will soon go to it - they may have better things to do! Try to indicate what the economy might be like if you filled the battery and the tank and undertook a long journey - viewers need to know these things, especially as Wankels are so thirsty. How small is the rear seat space and how safe are those suicide doors if you're opening them onto a busy street? Boring but useful information, instead of clever clever talk on the lines of "what were Mazda thinking of. using a rotary in PHEV?" which is just talk to please male know -alls. If you wish to redeem yourself, you could address my really hard questions: are Wankels inherently less fuel efficient, even after designing good seals, etc. and why is that? And are they reliable nowadays?

@MarekDrivesENG 8 ай бұрын

I've got 10 versions of the intro in rotation :) As for the history lesson, this is not your run of the mill powertrain, so I have to give some context. There's also a whole bunchof viewers, who saw my original video, and are waiting to wank to me telling them how Mazda Wankeled its way through the 70s and the 80s. I have no idea how reliable the new Wankel engine is going to be. I can only assume they made it less bad, and that's what they claim.

@piglet5287 8 ай бұрын

Well if you want me not to cancel, bin that toilet shot. Then remember what Henry Ford said about history. Context yes, history lesson, no, not unless you give your reviews a different title. For examples of clarity watch Doug Revolta's What Car videos. Okay, you will hate my bluntness but you were the one complaining about falling views and subs. Your production techniques and observation of detail about cars are excellent in my eyes

@ianallen8305 2 ай бұрын

What you say about the noise is rubbish. Something loose in your head maybe 😂😂

@kevinmair7571 8 ай бұрын

Just sold my Mazda for an MG4

@jellyd4889 8 ай бұрын

God help you with repairs on these motors. Way to burn money like it is going of fashion. Lovely car, mind.

@ProbablyStupidGuy 8 ай бұрын

With the reduced constant load, I would think it wouldn't be that bad

@tonyakingbule1509 7 ай бұрын

This is not a sales rep's car. This is not for the commuter who does a 50 mile round trip daily. This is an urban CITY EV for those who commute 20 - 30 miles a day, 5 days a week and definitely have home charging which they will plug into every night. Slow charging at 6.6 kW/h will ensure that battery pack will last forever. And on the rare occasion you decide to travel much further, or circumstances lead to low battery warnings on your commute, the Wankel Rotary Range Extender is there to get you to your destination - and back home. The range extender is not designed to be used every single time you drive (commute) to work and back - if you would need to use it everyday, then this car is definitely NOT for you. This would suit my lifestyle just fine - and I have 7.2 kW/h charging at work as a bonus! This car is not for everybody - but statistics would show that there ARE people out there for whom the Mazda MX-30 R-EV would be perfect - and once they discover what it is capable of despite its limitations, they would certainly buy one - and treasure it. That Rotary Generator will run unstressed and will likely last much longer than most people think. It is not a hybrid like the Prius. It's an EV with a potent, generous range extender capable of charging the EV battery to full (Note the BMW i3 Rex cannot charge the battery) - but most of all, it is a City EV - that's its primary designation.

@Ambienfinity 8 ай бұрын

Just the name alone means it won't sell well in the UK.

@MarekDrivesENG 8 ай бұрын

🤣

@2011ppower 8 ай бұрын

Apart from seal problems, largely overcome by Mazda, the main issue with the Wankel is poor fuel consumption! Really don't get this at all, Mazda is doomed.

@nedywest71 6 ай бұрын

Why you are wasting your time with the biggest flops in the car industry.

@MarekDrivesENG 6 ай бұрын

It's a novelty.

@richardsmith579 8 ай бұрын

No mention of the terrible rear access. Still, thanks for reviewing a totally pointless car.

@andersemanuel 8 ай бұрын

What a fail..

@lukapogo 8 ай бұрын

Why?

@Mr11ESSE111 7 ай бұрын

When you think that Mazda cannot produce something stupid& pointless they actually produce it like this junk here with shitty range,max speed and relative high price!! I think that Rolls Royce and Bentley will have higher sale numbers then Mazda with this junk

@adadigirolamo1073 8 ай бұрын

senseless car, the i3 was like that and then they only made it electric. the truth is that the Japanese are the ones most behind in electricity, much worse than China, Korea, America and Europe. If it continues like this they'll close down.