One thing I want to correct: when I was comparing Beruka!Velouria’s stat averages to Camilla!Sophie, I didn’t realize I was looking at a Velouria with 5 more levels than Sophie. By the time I realized my mistake, the conversation had gone away from that topic. Anyway, that Velouria will be a little worse than Sophie in most stats, though she’ll still tend to have a substantial Def lead. And I think the general point still stands, considering that Beruka is a pretty bad mom if you’re looking for Strength and Speed-it’s fairly impressive that Velouria almost keeps up.

alright now clearly you tier all like 200+ unique generics you can capture

Only 30 minutes of ophelia is quite tame considering its Zoran talking about her

I think this is basically the correct way to do a Fates tierlist. Spend 15-40 minutes on each character, going through what they can do, their strengths, their shortcomings, some of their fun options; then looking at the actual tierlist and going "whatever, I guess that placement is fine." This has been a fun series thank you to both you zoran for going through it. [please forgive this comment for being too many paragraphs] That said I am happy to see Selena ranked so highly in the final thing. She's become one of my favourite units to train and build in recent playthroughs. Right in my personal sweet spot where she *can* be made to function in almost any given role, and the amount of work required to actually get her working in those roles makes it more rewarding than it is daunting. It's an investment threshold I imagine varies immensely from player to player but I like where she fits. I can also attest that maid Velouria is a very fun unit and my preferred Velouria build. The only real weakness she has is that it might take too long to actually get her, so you'll likely miss having her on chapters like 19 & 20 where a good maid/ninja is a very nice thing to have. But that's i guess a problem all Velourias have. Another benefit(?) is that it opens Charlotte up to getting outlaw off of Keaton, and you can do very fun things with a Charlotte that has access to pass and mov+1. Worthwhile things? No, but very fun *and* funny things. Oh and this is very important; maid is simply a cuter class outfit than master ninja. I think one thing that I'd bring up for this series, it's going back when talking about capture one of the things that was overlooked (if I'm not misremembering) is one of its actual most broken features: Access to what is essentially unlimited canon fodder. If you don't mind sending a no-name unit off to die there are so many threatening sections of the game you can completely de-fang because the AI is unprepared to deal with suicide tactics. I can kind of understand why that kind of strat wouldn't be brought up, but it is a pretty unique and valid tool at your disposal that you don't see in other FE games. Other than that thank you, cool series, Peri bad

You forgot to mention that Forrest gives access to the best unit in the game, Gazak!

had so much fun with this series---super amazing to have a ton of hours of 2 of my fav utubers talking to each other abt my fav game!! love it and cant wait to see whats next

I think one cool idea for Ignatius is going with Azura as his mother. What I did was that I partner sealed Benny to get darting blow to pass that down and then giving him voice of peace from Azura. Putting him in berserker basically made all his stats that he cares about (after the boosts from skills) very impressive. He still obviously has issues with his axe rank, and he doesn't have a ton of great options besides kinshi, but he's still a very fun unit that could one round pretty much everything late game on player phase.

I pretty much agree with what's been stated. In Conquest, you have the flexibility to turn virtually any unit into something that can just trivialize most of the game. What puts Soleil and Ophelia one notch above the rest is that they already come with pretty much all they need without having to run complex pairings for their parents or their own partners. Not to mention that Ophelia is available super early with no significant opportunity cost, since her Paralogue has the added benefit of giving you all of the Horse Spirit, Calamity Gate, AND Lightning. For the other Conquest children, you unfortunately have to do a lot of planning around them, and the fathers for most of them only start showing up from Ch12 onwards.

I'm shocked the Ophelia section isn't longer lol

While it's not even close to efficient/optimal gameplay, a fun build someone shared with me is Nyx!Velouria. If I recall correctly, Nyx passed Quick Draw from Mozu friendship, Trample from Percy Marriage, Life & Death from Kana friendship (via Samurai Talent Corrin). Can't remember the other skills but it resulted in a character who has a default of 0 Base Magic & 0% Growth one rounding Takumi with Lightning, which I just absolutely love that you can do in this game. Maid Velouria sounds really fun and something I want to try.

Soleil is just too good, she fits in to so many teams.

Ophelia supremacy

Made an Ophelia with Nyx as the mom once. I second sealed both Odin and Nyx to Samurai and Outlaw respectively. So I passed down Mov +1 and Duelist's Blow and made her god teir. I think she gets a roughly 65% Magic growth with that pairing? Just ridiculous.

I figured out Ophelia was great in my first playthrough where I basically didn’t reclass at all. I got Odin and Nyx married basically right away after both took turns being my main mage that run and not too long after Leo joined. Ophelia’s crazy magic and speed won me over immediately, and the more I played the more I realized how funny Vantage on a Dark Mage actually could be. Keep in mind I was *not* a big part of the community in 2016 and I had no idea about the degeneracy of Vantage Nos-tanking that was apparently popular in Awakening. When I actually put this build into practice in my first Rev playthrough…well it was Rev so my Odin was pretty bad and Nos wasn’t as useful as it is in CQ, but Ophelia herself was still really strong and killed everything on Player Phase anyway. Now I’m 1000+ hours into multiple Fates playthroughs and Ophelia is still one of my absolute favorite units to use in any FE game. I’ll use her in every run no matter what.

unicorn overlord ost huge W

1:09:43 one interesting note about Nina’s personal! it actually triggers if *any* two males are paired up adjacent to her, meaning that if the enemy is paired up and they fight in melee, she’d get the bonus from them XD

Zoran's analysis of Nina is spot-on! Combatwise her main niche over Niles is being a much better Shining Bow user than him when mothered by Elise or Nyx. It's not as hard as you might think to get her to reach ORKO thresholds against enemy magic users and her Res (especially with Elise mother) is high enough for her to EPhase them quite comfortably. But aside from a Shining Bow build and the novelty of being a non-Corrin unit with Diviner access in Conquest, there's not a whole lot of reason to use her. She's a lot of fun though, would recommend. If you recruit Elise!Nina between Ch17 and Ch18 then you should have all of the tools necessary to make her good right out the gate vs the Sorcs and Strategists in Ch18. Just make sure you don't skip getting the Shining Bow from her Paralogue so you can easily forge a Shining Bow+1.

i hope we can also get birthright and rev tierlist with zoran. both of your thoughts have been enlightening for cq

I really enjoyed this series of videos and i'd love to see you guys do a playthrough where you just do some funny stuff

Glad I’m not the only person that likes Ignatius’ paralogue. I honestly find it a ton of fun having to book it over to the village and save him.

Time to release the supercut, all parts condensed into one super video to have playing in the background while I study

Percy and Ophelia was the main star of my latest run. Malig Ophelia is fun, also Trample. And I had Percy killed Takumi.

I’ve become the joker with this take

In regards to Percy, one little pet project I've got going in my current run is using Felicia to pass down early Axefaire, then have Percy be my Bolt Axe Malig Knight. Felicia as Servant 1 joins the same time Arthur does, and she also does a decent job of letting Arthur do more on his own early on with Aura and Dagger support to make up for being separated from Effie or Niles. Since Percy's paralogue is one that doesn't lock in the inherited skills until the end of the chapter, I was able to Partner Seal and train Felicia from 11-15 as a Berserker in that map alone, meaning I could pick up Percy with Axefaire basically as soon as I could get Arthur married.

One of the more interesting Forrests I ran had Selena as a mother. She passes down Strong Riposte, which synergizes with his personal ability, and Leo furthers the damage-stacking by passing Maleific Aura. Then choose Butler as the promotion, as it's the bulkier class and thus can make use of those EP-stacking skills. When you get Forrest's daggers rank from D to C for Flame Shuriken, now they're a magical 1-2 range EP unit, whose got enough bulk to take a few physical attacks while specializing in stopping mages. As a small bonus, Live to Serve gives Forrest the ability to heal himself from the damage he's accumulated. Forrest consistently has the best Resistance in the game, which is worth noting. The purpose of Ignatius is that he has offense which is actually viable, unlike his father. However you do have a number of tanky units, and Ignatius doesn't have a strong factor individuating himself from them. He's hurt less from Beruka's stats than most children, and he likes the Wyvern class a lot. But perhaps his most interesting mother is Mozu (whose best husband is Benny). Inheriting Quick Draw is potent enough for 1HKO's in attack stance, and Merchant is a fun side-grade from Great Knight. He'll have noticably better offense than Midori, though won't generate as much gold as her. I've done Charlotte!Velouria, and I really like it. Oddly,, Keaton gives Charlotte the Outlaw class, and Move+1 is probably the most useful skill a mother can pass to Velouria (besides Trample). I wasn't gutsy enough to try Maid, however. Wolfssenger Velouria offers a unique role that's not commonly talked about in Fire Emblem: a boss killer. Beaststone+ has great accuracy, great might, and gives a large speed boost to her already impressive speed. There are a lot of dodgy, tanky bosses or minibosses in the CQ lategame, and Velouria tends to only be a Rally away from one-round thresholds for that. Hinoka is a particularly notable case, as she has a skill negating effective damage from bows, but beast weaknesses still apply. There's no doubt that Wolfssenger gives her a lower ceiling than other high-end physical classes would, but I kind of enjoy the unique properties the class has. That send, she starts to look a lot like Camilla (with more HP) if you do reclass her to Wyvern. "Beruka+" is a good description of Percy. It's why I always tend to give him the "rallyboy" build with Rally Strength, Speed, and Defense (3 mothers can give him this). With his luck aura and flight mobility, he's a game-changer. The main opportunity cost is that you don't start his wyvern supports until midgame, notable especially for male Corrin or any gen 2 female wanting to be a wyvern. Nothing to add on Soleil, except again she becomes Camilla 2.0 with a Camilla mother. The lilac hair looks great on her too. There's a bit of value in her opening Strong Riposte and Sol for Ophelia, though Sophie is her best pairup. Nina has more strength but less speed than her father. Usually that's a bad tradeoff, as it veers into "jack-of-all-trades" issues, except she's not even that because her defense is very poor. Because of that, I like the magical Nina options. Calling her too frail to work as a tanky mage is true but miscasts her role: she compresses Outlaw utility and secondary magical damage for high-defense targets. So she can offer the high-speed and movement pairup utility, secondary staff support, effective flier damage, and Locktouch, and her magical mother can easly pass her a supportive aura on top of that. Her "floor" as a unit still isn't awful, as a lategame recruit for Shurikenbreaker or Pass heading into the final maps. Outlaw is a hard class to access, but a number of support options appreciate Move+1 and Lucky 7s. The best Nina I've ever had, though, was with Mozu as an archer. The Merchant class' tanky stat distribution surprisingly recontextualizes how she plays: she has acceptable mixed bulk while hitting extremely hard with Quick Draw and Strength that she will hit the cap on.

I recently did a draft of conquest and ended up pairing benny with azura, this gave me a high speed, high skill ignatius. I soloed the endless stairway map with him and a corrin pair up. I later reclassed him to berserker and married him to velouria to make her my primary takumi fighter. Really fun to use!

I did Azura! Velouria once, and she ended up in my top 5 best units, Behind Ophelia, Azura and Xander and probably better than Camilla. She ended up capping her strength, skill and speed and with the beastone+ ended up being an amazing dodge tank “entry fragger” who I could send into a group of enemies and she’d kill or cripple a vast majority of them.

Like that you are using the unicorn overlord music, even though it may not be likely I will be excited if you play it

In my last Conquest run I decided to go for Kinshi Knight Velouria basically as a meme but she ended up being very strong, her stats really are great

I know someone said it as a joke, but I think all unique capturables + the notable generic captures should be tiered too.

I did the quick draw Effie!Percy Takumi kill in my last lunatic run and yeah, can confirm, he ended up being way closer than I thought he would be.

I once tried Nyx!Percy in Malig with the Bolt Axe in an all magic units run and honestly it worked surprisingly well. Sorc Nyx as a backpack, combined with a damage stack of Malefic Aura, Trample and Axefaire basically solved his magical damage, even if it was very late game, though ofc I’m not recommending this unless you feel like messing around. Nyx and Arthur as a pairing was kinda painful, though I do have to say Nyx kinda made use of Arthur’s +2 speed to kill some Archers and Apothecaries at 1 range with Heartseeker

I love ALL Mekkah videos!!!

Does Zoran play Birthright and Revelations? A full fates series with you and him would be awesome. The best appeal on revelations for me is giving hoshido classes to nohr chars and vice versa (Xander swordmaster for example). If feels like a Marvel crossover sometimes.

Soleil: one unit that massively benefits from the Gay Fates mod, because YOU CAN marry a woman and get the full benefits from sisterhood. So if you have this mod, go marry her to Sophie, or make her a furry marrying her to Velouria, and have fun :) 💜

I found the discussion of using a fully-built Super-Ophelia "somewhat boring" very interesting. While essentially every enemy folds to her power in the late-game of Conquest, there are several optional instances where her essentially perfect combat isn't sufficient or at least not fully reliable: -The left side of Chapter 25, since you will likely need the calamity gate to OHKO the ninjas, and if you have the calamity gate equipped the automaton will have a low but non-zero chance to hit you -The left side of Chapter 26, thanks to all the Stoneborn that outrange her -Endgame if you play it straight up, due to the inevitable end enfeeble It's not really necessary to do any of these challenges: -You can just duel Ryoma with Corrin, or just deal with the fact that Ophelia may die to an automaton -You can ignore the Stoneborn room by going right in Chapter 26 -Most CQ Lunatic players opt to rescue skip endgame Plus the in-game rewards aren't especially good for doing these challenges, if such rewards even exist in the first place. However, I think completing these optional challenges are really satisfying, and they keep the game challenging for repeat playthroughs. Optional objectives like this are all throughout Conquest (e.g. splitting your army in chapters 11 and 21, or baiting multiple groups at a time in chapters 13 and 24), and tackling these difficult challenges often require well built teams using multiple high-end combat and support units, especially if you want to complete them in an efficient manner. In regards to my examples above: -Good use of the freeze (or entrap) staves can make it so that Ophelia never has to risk getting hit by an Automaton's yumi when her guard gauge isn't full, improving reliability -Tackling the Stoneborn room similarly benefits from staff usage to entrap or freeze Stoneborn, rally-bots to improve combat and survivability, and will also likely require multiple competent combat units in order to effectively kill or block off key targets, while protecting support units -High-move bow knights, rally-bots, and silence and rescue users go a long way to help with stopping inevitable end staff users from crippling primary combatants like Super-Ophelia in endgame. It's intrinsically satisfying to pull these optional difficult strategies off, and makes you use super-units like Ophelia in far more interesting ways than "walk forward and wait". It's one of my favorite features of Conquest's design and one that I rarely hear people bring up.

I respect Ophelia supremecy

I think with selene as his mom percy can get like 4 of 6 rally skills (missing magic and res) so that's nice.... but that requires running falcon knight selene and not sure you want to Also laslow can also do something similar if I'm not mistaken

Think this is a really great tier list but one thing I would change would be moving laslow to A. I just think that his unique rally + access to other rallies is super useful, as well as being pretty reliable as an early prepromote bow knight. Although maybe my experience in 0% and negative growths is just talking here because the +1 from fancy footwork is incredibly important there.

these videos have such great advice I might finally play hard mode after like 4 normal mode play thoughts last year

Impressive how nobody is D tier. Shows how customizable Conquest is.

Amyone else feel like Xander and Ryoma's children should have been able to use Siegried and Raijinto?

erm haven’t watched but why isn’t ophelia #1

Niles nyx or niles elise is fun for magic bow but both give her terrible skill so her is pretty bad

Ignatious >>>>> the rest of the kids

I did Peri x Laslow in my last run and Soleil's base hp when reclassed to ninja was 29 so i got scared and benched her. But probably with a better mom and a but more investment she can be good. Or maybe i should've used her anyways she might've turned out amazing. Siegbert for me has always been kinda dissapointing. Partially my fault because i wanted a "Gotoh" out of him and he ain't as good as let's say Midori at that. In my last run i recruited most kids before eternal stairway so i thought "yay i can use Siegbert for a whole lot longer this run" and he was...a decent filler combat unit which was kinda dissapointing. Still helpful for ferrying Xander as a Wyvern when i neeeded Xander himself in a different class and to give Sophie Wyvern. Forrest getting both deimoselle and gentilhomme is funny both mechanically and considering the character himself is also fitting. I used him mostly as support both in rev as in conquest and in conquest just used him to support the right side in Sakura's map with Beruka mom so auras + rallys+ staff access was pretty helpful there. Ironically i also sent Gazak to the same side which was funny. So small but helpful contributions to my runs i don't know if he has some potential as a combat unit and be pwnage incarnate. Maybe Mozu mom, Leo passes down vantage through Odin friendship and he could do life and death Sorcerer shenanigans? Probably better in rev since there he could get Diviner access for additional damage stacking without Kana or Corrin marriage. I gotta admit i haven't used Velouria in Conquest but in Rev Wolfsegner was fine . Fast, bulky and the beast effectiveness was nice and also she had trample from Camilla mom. In Conquest maybe wolfsegner's flaws are more pronounced. I was looking for information about Percy and there were people saying "man using Percy as support is so lame i wanted him to be good". But yeah i used Percy in my last 2 runs. In one i just wanted him to S support Ophelia for trample, made him a malig knight and he was awful. In my most recent run Camilla was his mom and he was a lot better but even Camilla herself was short of killing Takumi with the brave axe (1 short after an energy drop but still short) so if you want that maybe inherit elbow room and that might get you there. In combat he performed well enough not my best damage dealer but very tanky. Nina i've only used her in my most recent run and she was good there. Azura was her mom so she was down there with Soleil when it came to bulk but i still made her a kinshi which was fun for the flier friendly maps and she retained good combat throught the game. Also kinda nice that with that you can have a 9 move pass falco knight for a potential endgame skip. Ophelia was one i was looking forward to the discussion and it didn't dissapoint. It was fun tearing up the game with he though i didn't plan accordingly so i had to use 2 eternal seals on her, feed her paralogues almost exclusively so she could get life and death and marry Percy for trample but if you plan your reclassing accordingly then you'll have an easier time than i did. Having her in Sorcerer all the time might be fine for a while but for later chapters and the final boss kill you are gonna need more damage. One thing i liked it's her access to bowbreaker. Makes the final boss kill much more reliable as well as sweeping the kinshi knights in the Hinoka map easier. I am gonna miss this series Conquest meta gaming is fun and Zoran was a great guest. Maybe having the other routes reviewed can be interesting

Ophelia supremacy