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Why did Galadriel Give Gimli Three Hairs? (Updated) Middle-earth Explained

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Men of the West

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In the Fellowship of the Ring, Galadriel's gift to Gimli may seem a thoughtful and kind gift on the surface, but actually has a more in-depth meaning. Thank you all so much for watching, and let me know your thoughts down below! This is a reupload as I had editing issues with the first upload, and I apologize for any inconveniences. Thank you to all of the online artists whose visual works are vital to the making of this video.
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@MenoftheWest
@MenoftheWest 2 жыл бұрын
I hope you all enjoyed the video! Thanks so much for watching! Thanks to Douglas Harley for pointing out a mistake at 3:44, I meant to say that Gimli had a request of one hair, to which Galadriel gave three!
@knight-_-meh
@knight-_-meh 6 ай бұрын
small correction Gimli did not ask for 3 he asked for a single strand said at around 3:53 boss man. great video tyvm
@bluejam009
@bluejam009 5 жыл бұрын
"...your hair which surpasses the gold of the earth as the stars surpass the gems of the mine." A real panty dropper line right there.
@michaeloliver5892
@michaeloliver5892 4 жыл бұрын
Especially coming from a Dwarf.
@phildicks4721
@phildicks4721 4 жыл бұрын
@@michaeloliver5892 hey now, I play a Dwarf in D&D who's an absolute charmer. The party jokes about the amount of "action" he gets from the ladies of all races.😁
@timomastosalo
@timomastosalo 4 жыл бұрын
And to think that gold and gems meant more to the Dwarves than what they do for men.
@fubaralakbar6800
@fubaralakbar6800 4 жыл бұрын
Makes you wonder where those three hairs came from.
@scottwpilgrim
@scottwpilgrim 4 жыл бұрын
@@phildicks4721 so a dwarf that multiclassed into a bard? I love it!
@jdlech
@jdlech 5 жыл бұрын
Galadriel saw into mens hearts better than most. Feanor sought to dominate her, Gimli sought to remember her.
@NiklasAdv
@NiklasAdv 4 жыл бұрын
thats a good way to explain it!
@hoseinrajablou6605
@hoseinrajablou6605 3 жыл бұрын
Lol, Feanor and Gimli are men since when?
@jdlech
@jdlech 3 жыл бұрын
@@hoseinrajablou6605 Since they both had a dick. Are you seriously going to claim they were women?
@eihwaz359
@eihwaz359 3 жыл бұрын
I love that explanation
@JordanBeagle
@JordanBeagle 2 жыл бұрын
Well put
@hindsightpov4218
@hindsightpov4218 6 жыл бұрын
Women used to give locks of their hair to their husband/boyfriend before they went off to war so a part of them would be with them always.
@abbyc5740
@abbyc5740 6 жыл бұрын
Lol
@Rensune
@Rensune 6 жыл бұрын
HindsightPOV It comes from the Knightly tradition of the Token. Which Tolkien would be well aware of.
@808INFantry11X
@808INFantry11X 5 жыл бұрын
@@Rensune still is practiced today one of my friends who is now a Navy Seal carrys a few strands of his wife's hair on deployment instead of his wedding ring because if something where to happen to him he didnt want the enemy getting a hold of something as precious as his wedding ring instead carry's something equally as precious to him but not to the enemy.
@soldofpol7026
@soldofpol7026 5 жыл бұрын
So is Gimladriel a ship now?
@andrewmatseshe7343
@andrewmatseshe7343 5 жыл бұрын
My wife did that when I went to Afghanistan. I love Gimli. As a kid I always thought Aragorn or Legolas were cooler but as an adult, Gimli is by far my favorite character 😁
@90RavenBlack
@90RavenBlack 6 жыл бұрын
This is something I'm beginning to realise about Tolkien's work - Everything means something within the wider legend. There are, of course, mysteries which are left open, but there are no meaningless gestures or plot points which do not add to the myth.
@michaelcoulter1114
@michaelcoulter1114 6 жыл бұрын
Taryn Allan So true! That's why I love re-reading the books, I always find more to enjoy!
@petesampson4273
@petesampson4273 6 жыл бұрын
J.R.R. Tolkein understood that all things are related. War and peace. Matter and energy. Reason and belief.
@Dude_1864
@Dude_1864 5 жыл бұрын
And it's why it took him so long to publish anything, it had to be as near to perfect in Cannon and meaning as it could be. Lol and he still wasn't happy, he was a master.
@jdlech
@jdlech 5 жыл бұрын
Tolkien was the first of his genre - an still the best in many ways.
@ravongoddessmontroy8168
@ravongoddessmontroy8168 5 жыл бұрын
Taryn Allan you should see the movie about Tolkien’s life
@douglasharley2440
@douglasharley2440 2 жыл бұрын
i love the thought of gimli's descendants living in the glittering caves, revering galadriel's three hairs, set within imperishable crystal, singing songs about her.
@pittland44
@pittland44 5 жыл бұрын
When Galadriel gives Gimli the locks of hair it really is a beautiful moment.
@kidpeligro7878
@kidpeligro7878 Жыл бұрын
I remember Gimli is so taken by Galadriel's beauty that he was ready duel anyone who says her beauty can be surpassed by anyone with the exception of Arwen. So pure was his admiration that Galadriel saw which likely made her decide she was worthy of a gift she deprived one of the greatest of her people
@brettwilliamson7129
@brettwilliamson7129 6 жыл бұрын
Lol Gimli is a romantic, u can tell by how he describes Galadriel
@SantomPh
@SantomPh 5 жыл бұрын
And the Glittering Caves. Legolas concedes defeat to Gimli in the poetry contest.
@russellshaw8479
@russellshaw8479 4 жыл бұрын
You could see this side of Gimli with every encounter he had with a lady
@thelastshallbefirst3653
@thelastshallbefirst3653 4 жыл бұрын
Remember in the movie when Gimli was spittin game at Eowyn? I was laughing so hard, especially when he fell off the horse! Such a lovable fella
@Khorothis
@Khorothis 4 жыл бұрын
@@russellshaw8479 Except for Eowen's cooking.
@ilovenycsomuch
@ilovenycsomuch 4 жыл бұрын
It just makes me love the adorable big teddy bear-like dwarf even more hehe he’s such a gentle sweetheart
@jakogerber9325
@jakogerber9325 4 жыл бұрын
This was a great video. "A dwarf, susceptible to greed and lust, was able to ... overcome greed, ... but Feanor, of a wiser and more divine being, wasn't able to overcome his greed ... The hairs of Galadriel act as the lady's ability to recognize true purity ... " Touches the heart. Thank you Yoystan.
@MarvinT0606
@MarvinT0606 Жыл бұрын
Imagine Feanor's meltdown in the Halls of Mandos when he sees Galadriel just straight-up giving a dwarf three strands of hair just because he asked nicely😂
@hindsightpov4218
@hindsightpov4218 6 жыл бұрын
4:07 That’s a mighty thick clump of three hairs Galadriel is handing over to Gimli.
@Bluemilk92
@Bluemilk92 6 жыл бұрын
Whaaat!? Don't tell me you didn't realize Galadriel is rockin' dreadlocks.
@williamshafer1996
@williamshafer1996 5 жыл бұрын
Her hair is very coarse
@SantomPh
@SantomPh 5 жыл бұрын
She gave him three tresses, which are locks of hair tied together rather than 3 hairs.
@DrRainbowBecca
@DrRainbowBecca 3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget how long her hair is! It probably had to be folded quite a few times
@Pulang_Diwa
@Pulang_Diwa 3 жыл бұрын
She looks like she's handing him a bike lock. 🤣
@50shadesofgandalfthegrey
@50shadesofgandalfthegrey 4 жыл бұрын
it's really cute and super sweet when you think about it, really. Feanor wanted the hairs out of domination, but if you take it further, the Silmaril's would eventually lead to the creation of Sauron, and so if Galadriel had given even a single hair, one could say she could have been corrupted herself, after having a direct hand in the darkness it wrought. whereas Gimli simply admired Galadriel's beauty in a way I think most would find so adorable and sweet. almost like a 4 or 5-year-old child who has a genuinely innocent crush on one of his older adult sister's friends. it's sweet, adorable, and gushy. despite knowing that it can never be, and thinking Galadriel would never give him her hair, she surprised him even further by giving him three, showing him that she is even beyond his own imagination of her. Meanwhile, from Galadriel's end, it is perfect. the dwarf wanted to use the hair as a peace offering, and a symbol of friendship, not even knowing or probably even understanding the magical significance and power those three small hairs have. he is perfectly ignorant. and even if he were to find out, to him it is more important as a symbol than as any kind of weapon or tool. because it is proof that even that which seems impossible to attain, can sometimes be acquired simply through asking.
@anyviolet
@anyviolet Жыл бұрын
this is so well said! A pleasure to read, and seems very true to me.
@Shaden0040
@Shaden0040 5 жыл бұрын
Gimli asked for but one hair, Galadriel gifted him with three because of how he requested one of her and was not greedy nor did he ask out of coveting her hair strand. He asked with eloquence and most of all, sincerity.
@kellygreenii
@kellygreenii 2 жыл бұрын
The moment was a foreshadowing of the friendship of Gimli and Legolas, and the easing of the resentments between Elves and Dwarves. Dwarves value wealth and the things created by their own hands. So for a dwarf to be smitten by the beauty of an Elf and to pay such respect and devotion to someone so dear to the heart of the Elves was a compliment whose depth was shocking. Galadriel saw a chance to bring Elves and Dwarves closer together and she took it.
@Pikepaw
@Pikepaw 4 жыл бұрын
I really like how it was done in the film. It would have looked awkward to show on screen because individual hairs do not show up well on film. But the way Gimli recounts it still touches my heart. Especially how he phrases it...”I asked for a single strand of hair from her golden hair...she gave me three”
@BenSmith-od8fc
@BenSmith-od8fc 6 жыл бұрын
Such beauty from a dwarf is something unheard of. I love how pure and uncurrpt gimli seems he had seen the wonders of the world and how it wasn't all in gold and wealth! Your my favourite channel now lad thanks for the knowledge and every video you post :)
@CrazyJayThaNinja
@CrazyJayThaNinja 3 жыл бұрын
This is the same Gimli, son of Gloin, who saw the One Ring in all it's glory, completely open to temptation, and smashed his axehead upon it.
@informationyes
@informationyes 3 жыл бұрын
@@CrazyJayThaNinja Hes a legend
@gilmerilofarda3362
@gilmerilofarda3362 6 жыл бұрын
Fëanor must have been so angry when he knew Galadriel gave A DWARF three strands of her hair. hahahaha
@Marveryn
@Marveryn 6 жыл бұрын
he had no place to complain as I believe he was already gone beyond
@Ruosteinenknight
@Ruosteinenknight 6 жыл бұрын
Marveryn From what I remember, his spirit is detained in halls of Mandos unable to reincarnate in Valinor until he 1) repents his evil deeds sincerely or 2) final battle dagor dagorath comes and he is offered the Silmarills back which he uses to restore damage Melkor did to the two trees of Arda.
@rocketraccoon1976
@rocketraccoon1976 4 жыл бұрын
+ RustyKn1ght If and when he ever hears of it, he's gonna need a few more millennia in the Halls to repent of his sins. 🤯
@thepoitinpimp9816
@thepoitinpimp9816 4 жыл бұрын
Feanor died in the first age while fighting balrogs
@timomastosalo
@timomastosalo 4 жыл бұрын
@@thepoitinpimp9816 Which means in their world he's in the Halls of Mandos in Aman.
@logandarklighter
@logandarklighter 6 жыл бұрын
I recently rewatched Fellowship and I love how the movie portrays the gift. They don't SHOW the hairs. Because how could a camera pick that up in such a way as to properly convey that without some weird trick or extreme focus? No. It wasn't practical to show the gift. Instead, as Gimli and Legolas are paddling away in the boat, they employed a narration device and had Legolas ask what gift Gimli asked of Galadrial. He tells Legolas, his voice practically shaking in awe and wonder (kudos to John Rys-Davies skill!) as he recounts that he asked for but one of her hairs, and she gave him three. And Legolas - who surely must have known of Feanor, smiled. They were companions before and trusted each other in battle. But I think THAT is the moment when their true friendship was kindled.
@SantomPh
@SantomPh 5 жыл бұрын
While everyone knew of Feanor, the episode where he asked her for the hair was likely a private matter only told as metaknowledge (for the reader). Legolas and Gimli actually become good friends after meeting Galadriel, as he took Gimli with him exploring the Golden Wood, to everyone's surprise. By the time of the movie scene where he says he cannot translate the laments for Gandalf, they had been doing this for about 2 months.
@TheBasedHeathen
@TheBasedHeathen 6 жыл бұрын
May I say I actually look forward to these uploads it's nice to find someone who loves the works of Tolkien as much or more than I.
@MenoftheWest
@MenoftheWest 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! I'm glad you enjoy them!
@markfauscett7295
@markfauscett7295 5 жыл бұрын
It is such a shame that this scene was not included in the final cut. To me, it is one of the most beautiful, and touching scenes in literature or cinema. I cry like a baby just recalling it to memory.
@theagents9687
@theagents9687 6 жыл бұрын
For me, LOTR was the greatest novel ever written. To think that people found it even more so; to learn the languages, is beyond belief. For Christopher Lee to keep reading it every year. I read it front to back for a few years except for Tom Bombadil. Magic.
@oldmangranny5oldmangranny56
@oldmangranny5oldmangranny56 2 жыл бұрын
Haha. Don't you like Tom bombadil?
@DT-267K
@DT-267K Жыл бұрын
@@oldmangranny5oldmangranny56 Tom Bombadil's bit is incredibly well-written and his character is fun and surprisingly intricate when it comes to who he is and the truth behind what the One Ring really is... but it also feels like filler. You could remove it from the story and nothing significant in regards to the plotline would be lost.
@h_nt_r
@h_nt_r 6 жыл бұрын
There are so many details in Tolkien's stories and specific things that either make you want to learn more about everything or simply make you sit back and stare in amazement at his work. This kind of detail makes the scene in the movie or in the book so much more beautiful, understanding that Gimli indeed brought together the schism between the elves and dwarves to close simply for his genuine respect for the beauty of Galadriel, putting aside his wrothness and anger of the elves in order to express love and wonder for her.
@ericanderson4801
@ericanderson4801 5 жыл бұрын
Because he asked her to. It shocked the other elves that she did it. But remember that Galadriel was a Noldor among a population of "dark elves" and a few Grey Elves. They would have known of the affinity of the Noldor for dwarves, particuarly the Longbeards, but to see it in action was unprecedented. Galadriel, of course, had spend a long time living in Eregion and had close friendship with Gimli's ancestors in Moria.
@hindsightpov4218
@hindsightpov4218 6 жыл бұрын
If anyone wanted some of my hair, they could just pick up the tumbleweeds of hair at my home before I have a chance to vacuum.
@petesampson4273
@petesampson4273 6 жыл бұрын
Me too! I recently decided to open my computer to give it a good cleaning and there was about 37 pounds of hair in it! I shed more hair than any dog I have ever known.
@reksub10
@reksub10 6 жыл бұрын
@@petesampson4273 you shouldn't sit so close to your computer when watching porn then.
@petesampson4273
@petesampson4273 6 жыл бұрын
Alas, reksub, I'm more nearsighted than I was 20 years ago!
@MsAbixxx
@MsAbixxx 4 жыл бұрын
FREEDOM LIGHTRIDER ...... ok boomer.
@WhatIsMisophonia
@WhatIsMisophonia 4 жыл бұрын
@FREEDOM LIGHTRIDER Good lord, it was a joke... In your quest for offense, you've shown yourself to be what you hate.
@LowellLucasJr.
@LowellLucasJr. 4 жыл бұрын
I was never really weirded out by gimli's request. I always found it charming and very sweet. This dwarf who would always be the first to state his dislike of elves was enchanted by one of the more fairer beings of his age. I would imagine he would gasp with his heart would be subdued: as he had never seen anyone like this before
@daveowens271
@daveowens271 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this. I always knew that there was a LOT going on here, and I always sort of viewed myself as one of the Hobbits who were probably going, "something big just happened, but I have zero clue what it was!" Thanks for clearing it up!
@joemama114
@joemama114 3 жыл бұрын
I think at least in a way there is a type of innocence and humility from his request. He didn't ask it openly he had to be commanded to ask for it. Also he legit seems to apologize when asking for it, as if he knows he shouldn't but feels it rude to not give an honest answer. Finally, he didn't want it for any reason other than to look upon it and fondly and remember the day when he saw that which was fairest. He wasn't trying to do anything with it, eventually because it is so impressive and splendid it becomes a family heirloom but his intentions seem to be pure and good. What a legend. You're too beautiful, I don't want any presents.
@laura-bianca3130
@laura-bianca3130 3 жыл бұрын
Actually I believe it is Galadriel who has changed. She was always haughty and aloof, but after she was shamed by the desire she had for the ring (in front of Frodo), she "diminished" and was therefore more inclined to give Gimli his gifts
@MarvinT0606
@MarvinT0606 Жыл бұрын
Gimli: **gets three strands of hair from Lady G** Feanor: **malding and seething in the Halls of Mandos**
@douglasharley2440
@douglasharley2440 2 жыл бұрын
3:44 slight mistake here: gimli only requested a single hair, she gave him three.
@douglasharley2440
@douglasharley2440 2 жыл бұрын
...aha, i see, must have been some editing mistake, because at 4:09 it is all corrected. :)
@alanmartin9207
@alanmartin9207 6 жыл бұрын
I marvel at the quality and care that goes into these videos. I particularly enjoy that they reference source material. It must be difficult to negotiate the copyright minefield when putting together something that is essentially narrative in nature, but you manage it, thus creating videos both informative and pleasing to watch.
@manicmechanic1881
@manicmechanic1881 6 жыл бұрын
finally one I can complain about (wasn't long enough) lol fantastic job my friend
@alberthogg49
@alberthogg49 4 жыл бұрын
Gimli’s request is so wholesome and beautiful but imagine actually asking someone for a strand of their hair
@bartomiejzakrzewski7220
@bartomiejzakrzewski7220 4 жыл бұрын
I asked some of girl 20 years ago in Geermany im from Poland :D and she accept :D
@alberthogg49
@alberthogg49 4 жыл бұрын
Bartłomiej Zakrzewski wow, I stand corrected
@finnmcool2
@finnmcool2 4 жыл бұрын
I had a lock of hair from my high school sweetheart. She broke my heart but I still kept it until I got married.
@ventusleone
@ventusleone 6 жыл бұрын
As a new fan of yours I have no problems with re-uploads I have never seen before ^_^ Thank you!
@mikey_vengenz
@mikey_vengenz 4 жыл бұрын
I think it's like you said, albeit more simple. Faenor asked out of selfishness. Gimli asked out of genuine love and affection for Galadriel.
@otilialampman7850
@otilialampman7850 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for explaining why this got uploaded. Because I remember you giving an explanation in one of your other videos. I love your videos by the way
@michaelwhiteley9712
@michaelwhiteley9712 2 жыл бұрын
Great post. Such a precious gift tfrom such a magical lady to such a wonderful dwarf. Befitting, for all reasons here stated in your share.
@caroltaylor-long3944
@caroltaylor-long3944 5 жыл бұрын
I love the audio explanations of past Elf lives and gives me a better understanding of the books I did not yet read but saw the movies. It's hard not to fall in love with some of these characters as they all/ most have good qualities and triumphs to make. Thank you!!
@penelopegreene
@penelopegreene 5 жыл бұрын
30k years later, Galadriel completes Middle Earth's Longest Troll of Feanor... o.O
@MagnificenChiefDavid
@MagnificenChiefDavid 6 жыл бұрын
Great content like always! I'm not sure what videos you have planned next, but I do hope you make it to the _Watcher in the Water_ soon... I really would like to learn more about its lore and your personal theories!!!
@ileanapilaf3546
@ileanapilaf3546 4 жыл бұрын
The watcher in the water was no monster as seen in the movies, but a loyal guardian of Moria. If friends aproach peacefully(and quietly) entering with the pasword, he sleeps. If enemies aproach and try to force their way( which would be noisy) the guardian awakes and defends. If he is not suficient for the task he is to bring down the tunnel and seal the entrance so to halt an invading army. Remenber, at first he gently pulled Frodo in( he wanted to get a closer look at the strange group, and out of all of them hobit s were the more obscure), then he was attacked, and he responded. The opened door also gave the guardian a sense of urgency! His origin story is an entierly diffrent mater...
@russellshaw8479
@russellshaw8479 4 жыл бұрын
Brother, you brought that into proper context. That changes my perception of this encounter. Good job.
@lukeskywalkerthe2nd773
@lukeskywalkerthe2nd773 6 жыл бұрын
This was an awesome re upload Men of The West I didn't mind it l love this video and I love that I got notified of it again :)
@ad61video
@ad61video 2 жыл бұрын
Very true, but Gimli probably didnt know about the likeness of her hair to the two trees, since it happened in Valinor long before he was born, indeed in a time when the race of dwarves did not yet exist. I see it as an admiration of the Lady and a show of good will between the two races that had been at odds since the slaying of Thingol. The asking and giving of this intimate gift shows great will to mend this rift between dwarves and elves, from both of them. Galadriel is very friendly to Gimli from the beginning.
@Bluemilk92
@Bluemilk92 4 жыл бұрын
This could be an interesting idea for a video, but I've played with the idea of Gimli being the "warrior-poet" of the books. He doesn't speak much, but he can get really poetic. This scene, the scene where he describes the Glittering Caverns. I always loved how he responded when Eomer, in RoTK, says he finds Arwen more beautiful. Something like, "You love the twilight, while I love the morning" but way more poetically stated. I know Aragorn, and the hobbits are singers, yet Legolas almost always gets to the point, but Gimli... He's a Dwarven word-smith. Even Galadriel says so.
@FantasticExplorers
@FantasticExplorers 6 жыл бұрын
Men of the West Love your vids sir! Your channel has become one of my HANDS DOWN favorite!!! (That is saying allot) Thanks for the great Tolkien vids and I hope you become one of the most watched fantasy/entertainment channels on KZfaq!!
@likac92009
@likac92009 3 жыл бұрын
"Feanor's lust for wealth"...the way you said it, people who haven't read Silmarillion might think he was running around robbing people. He never lusted for wealth - he had already had all the wealth he needed, being the high king of Noldor. He lusted for knowledge and creation above all. He didn't let Valar destroy the Silmarili because he thought he wouldn't survive their destruction. About Galadriel: she didn't want to give a single hair to Feanor, yet she decided to follow him from Valinor to Middle Earth even though Valar told them not to go? How strange was that?
@krozas5187
@krozas5187 2 жыл бұрын
This whole Galadriel, hair and Fëanor thing is strange to me. First, it's so out of character to ask the daughter of someone you don't like a hair and worse to beg 3 times, Fëanor was proud and a proud person would not do that. And second, it contradicts how Galadriel was described in The Lord of the Rings, in The Fellowship of the Ring we are told that her hair is deep gold. We also know that Tolkien was a perfectionist and wanted consistency in his works so I doubt that something in the Unfinished Tales would have more importance than what was already wrote and published in LOTR, (maybe that's why Christopher Tolkien didn't include this version in The Silmarillion).
@countOfHenneberg
@countOfHenneberg 9 ай бұрын
​@@krozas5187from your comment you have read Unfinished Tales and therefore know that Tolkien repeatedly rewrote the story of Galadriel's life and connection with Celeborn and their tale is perhaps the most convoluted of any. Christopher Tolkien is on record as saying there are multiple versions of the Silmarillion.
@brianmessemer2973
@brianmessemer2973 5 жыл бұрын
Dude, you blow my freaking mind every time. SO SO AWESOME!!!! I mean, Tolkien is originally, and you're such a great teacher and are so generous to pass these insights along to us.
@matq5691
@matq5691 2 жыл бұрын
This is so beautiful to me because she's not contributing one hair to the pledge of good will between the mountain and the wood, she believes in Gimli's intent 3 hairs worth--Mending the hostilities between the elves and dwarves. Galadriel had the power to defend Lothlorien from evil, but also the power to mend great rifts between two peoples. Power indeed!!
@808INFantry11X
@808INFantry11X 5 жыл бұрын
It also says alot from Gimli who is Dwarf who normally values something substantive like gold or precious stones instead he wants something precious and personal.
@brettany_renee_blatchley
@brettany_renee_blatchley 6 жыл бұрын
Lovely post!! ❤ Such a *rich* entanglement of people, events, objects & meaning that Tolkien gave us in his work! This is *so much* the way of life itself! 😊
@charliecox182
@charliecox182 6 жыл бұрын
I reckon you should make a video on the Gray havens
@Samuel-ke1wu
@Samuel-ke1wu 2 жыл бұрын
Fair assessment and I agree in my over 20 years of studying it.
@ertymexx
@ertymexx 6 жыл бұрын
There is Another way of reading this - Galadriels denial to Feanor can be seen as pride, a mortal sin in Tolkien's catholic view. In granting Gimli his wish, and add more to it, she shows that she has grown beyond this pride, and is therefor forgiven her past sins. This, together with her refusel of the One Ring gives her entry to Valinor. She has repented and grown beyond her youthful sins, and is absolved and welcome to paradise.
@klarissabanaszak6066
@klarissabanaszak6066 5 жыл бұрын
That is actually how I always read it? Not oh Gimli is better than Feanor cause reasons.
@clementdenis4212
@clementdenis4212 4 жыл бұрын
@@klarissabanaszak6066 : well to be fair Feanor was kind of a bad guy.
@Bathaling
@Bathaling 6 жыл бұрын
Great Video, great quality and time, effort given. Big fan of the channel
@lhadzyan7300
@lhadzyan7300 4 жыл бұрын
Galadriel was wise and could see that Gimli wasn´t in all like Feanor, she oversee the true hidden darkness within him before even Melkor/Morgoth unleashed it later, so that´s how she refused him, but on the Dwarf in other hand, she saw his true golden heart despite the usual gruffer outer stereotype that always made conflict between Elves and Dwarves, so she finished the feud once and for all with that gift. It was like karma, and I guess that also helped her a lot so the Valar finally unlifted for her the forbidding to go back to Valinor and Aman.
@regierocket
@regierocket 6 жыл бұрын
There and back again, thank you
@Quagigitymire
@Quagigitymire 5 жыл бұрын
"All that look upon her fall under her spell". So says Gimli who upon first sight fell under the spell of her beauty and spent many a conversation speaking of the fairest maiden in all middle earth.
@greyeyes9454
@greyeyes9454 6 жыл бұрын
Thought I already had seen this video, and I was right, a re-upload. Not that I mind, it is a good video after all.
@benpilcher6798
@benpilcher6798 6 жыл бұрын
I think a good what if video would be what if Thorin had lived
@phildicks4721
@phildicks4721 4 жыл бұрын
That would be interesting. I like to think that what happened at the Battle of Five Armies would have changed him for the better had he survived.
@hydroknight8612
@hydroknight8612 4 жыл бұрын
Never stop blowing my mind!!! I only have so much of it left after your videos.... But still, never stop blowing my mind.
@SilvioGrandal-gc8ep
@SilvioGrandal-gc8ep Жыл бұрын
Ive always wondered why I always cry when I think about that moment between them. Well, now I know. :)
@jellosapiens7261
@jellosapiens7261 5 жыл бұрын
Tfw you realize Feanor was the creepy uncle
@johnmeyer2072
@johnmeyer2072 5 жыл бұрын
You're a superb researcher.
@jupitersgodzilla7114
@jupitersgodzilla7114 5 жыл бұрын
02:30-02:46: Galadriel giving Feanor the "WTF are You doing look"...
@Pulang_Diwa
@Pulang_Diwa 3 жыл бұрын
Don't kinkshame him. :(
@CountryboyAR
@CountryboyAR 6 жыл бұрын
I could listen to your stories on many topics and characters for hours. I got depressed when after the end of this video. I wanted to hear more!!
@joshsantillan5738
@joshsantillan5738 4 жыл бұрын
My friend your channel is a blessing to me. I already love Tolkien's work, I love it even more because of your contributions to further explain his work.
@Chadaface
@Chadaface 4 жыл бұрын
one thing i don't get is that if Galadriel actually disliked Feanor, why did she bother to cross the Helcaraxe along with the rest of the noldorin who followed Feanor? In fact she took the hardest route (The Helcaraxe)
@clementdenis4212
@clementdenis4212 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly my question but Tolkien's lore is not entirely coherent.
@likac92009
@likac92009 3 жыл бұрын
I think it's because Feanor was like one of those charismatic people you simply have to admire because of their genius and greatness, no matter whether you find them particularly likable or not...like Alexander the Great or Michelangelo, for example.
@harrisonmcarthur7816
@harrisonmcarthur7816 6 жыл бұрын
I bide you STAND! MEN OF THE WEST!!!
@zachstevens7382
@zachstevens7382 6 жыл бұрын
TheRedOranger TM as long as you don't bid us any ill will...
@FantasticExplorers
@FantasticExplorers 6 жыл бұрын
TheRedOranger TM Of course! Men of the West is another way of saying Men (and Women) from Numenor... A place that only existed in our hearts... So there are NO racial, national, sexual, or age boundaries!! Only those who are not Noble of Heart are unpermitted. ;)
@asavar_kul
@asavar_kul 5 жыл бұрын
@@FantasticExplorers this made my day
@benpilcher6798
@benpilcher6798 6 жыл бұрын
I love your videos they are so entertaining and in depth
@MithrilChu
@MithrilChu 6 жыл бұрын
Gimli will always be my favourite dwarf.
@edgardtheknowledgekeeper3119
@edgardtheknowledgekeeper3119 6 жыл бұрын
I was confused for a moment there, because I thought we had already got this video. Because we did.
@r0bw00d
@r0bw00d 6 жыл бұрын
KZfaq snipers strike again, I see. Well thank you for the reupload, Men of the West!
@itzcloudy5672
@itzcloudy5672 6 жыл бұрын
yeah I watched the original and there were scenes from the movies, and they aren't here so I guess the snipers exploited that
@sid2112
@sid2112 5 жыл бұрын
Dude, you rock. I always loved Tolkien. You bring so much to life. Subbed.
@lizkirwan3783
@lizkirwan3783 3 жыл бұрын
I adored Gimli in this.
@archades115
@archades115 6 жыл бұрын
I love your videos. Keep up the good work.
@sternis1
@sternis1 3 жыл бұрын
Who else adores the art at 1:08? I can see that being something like a birthday-card!
@finnmcool2
@finnmcool2 4 жыл бұрын
I've always loved that scene because it softened the image of dwarves, that up to then had been largely defined by greed and pride.
@NDakota79
@NDakota79 5 жыл бұрын
Very touching story!
@Altarior
@Altarior 6 жыл бұрын
Pfft, KZfaq's at it again. Well then, I'll just have to click the Like button harder this time!
@vitamindubya
@vitamindubya 6 жыл бұрын
But still why does he want them? It may draw a parallel, but does he just want them as an heirloom? Did Gimli know of the earlier story? Why else would he ask?
@MenoftheWest
@MenoftheWest 6 жыл бұрын
vitamindubya Great question. I believe he wanted them to commemorate her beauty and remember her. To him, that would be a fairer gift than anything else.
@robdeskrd
@robdeskrd 6 жыл бұрын
No Gimli would not know the subtle personal history of Faenor & Gladriel or even anything like it, the Noldor were as a group under Faenor's kingship characters of first order importance in a story that was older than then all of Dwarven history and when Faenor asked for her hair it happened in Valimar thousands of years beforehand. The Noldor were exiles and for all his genius Faenor was not a good king and he brought his people to grief, in his haste to reclaim the silmarls from Morgoth he initiated the only battle of elves against elves known latter as "The Kin Slaying". No, the long and tragic history of the Noldor is not a thing that would have been known by Gimli, Gloin's son. As to why he named one hair it is a simple thing to answer: Galadriel was a 3 generation elf, she had lived in the immortal lands of the gods for millennia, she was a queen & bore 1 of the 3 elvin rings of power- if you met this I believe 20,000 year old not human woman, more beautiful than any person you have ever seen, possessed of a great store the power that Iluvatar assigned to his first children you might be awestruck as well
@Phoenix_254
@Phoenix_254 5 жыл бұрын
vitamindubya its a parallel from classic tales and mythology for the knight to request a boon or gift from his lady he adored. Many times the relationship was romantic, however it isn’t required. The idea was the knight would look upon the boon and gain strength in his resolve to keep going. The boon could be a necklace, a scarf, or even strands of hair. Tolkien was almost guaranteed to have read this type of story given his fascination with old tales.
@wright534
@wright534 5 жыл бұрын
@@Phoenix_254 That's exactly it. Gimli sees himself as Galadriel's champion immediately after receiving her gift. Note that he never hesitates to respond to her being slandered by Eomer and Wormtongue in the books, though he forgives the former afterwards.
@SantomPh
@SantomPh 5 жыл бұрын
He is totally taken by her beauty and blurbs something cute instead if asking for something useful. Galadriel acts as a kinder assessor of the Dwarves in the conversation with the Fellowship, even using the Dwarf names for Moria and the springs near the Mirrormere. She alone in the room remembers Beleriand and good times with Eregion's Noldor Elves (Celeborn likely disagrees). She had been unfairly slandered by outsiders as a witch, with Lothlorien named the Dwimmerdorne (Witch's forest) by Eomer and his ancestor Eorl (luckily Felarof the horse knew better). So Gimli sees this tall, beautiful woman with radiance and grace, the opposite of what people have said about her.
@ImperatorPenguin
@ImperatorPenguin Жыл бұрын
Feanor: OH COME ON!
@marie-soleildauphinais9530
@marie-soleildauphinais9530 5 жыл бұрын
Your work is absolutely amazing !!! Thank you so much for sharing all this !
@realsstates1180
@realsstates1180 4 жыл бұрын
If Feanor wanted the hair so much, he could have taken them off the ground at the hair dresser, her hair brush or her pillow case, or if he eats enough of her cooking, there’ll be a hair in there sometime.
@Rapture-Asuka
@Rapture-Asuka 6 жыл бұрын
ill watch this no matter what,
@cloggedaorta
@cloggedaorta 6 жыл бұрын
This is one of my favorite videos in your channel.
@westwindsailer
@westwindsailer 4 жыл бұрын
" 4:52 Feanor of a wiser and more divine being? " More divine indeed but true wisdom escaped him as seen by his actions. An unrelenting need for the knowledge of creation of " things" ie the Silmarils , through Aule was his and his Sons ( and many others) undoing. Galadriel however was a student of Yavanna ( and yes Aule as well ) , but she valued living things, and her wisdom proved great. Isn't it interesting , beautiful created things like the Silmarils became a focus provoking pride, greed and violence for their inspired creator. So was it a worship of the living things , that inspired wisdom for Toilkien as a writer of his works.As opposed to the worship of a mimicry of that life. Sauron too was a great master of making things a Maiar of Aule. But his works as well drove him to a single minded obsession with the One Ring.
@thelastcasualty2696
@thelastcasualty2696 6 жыл бұрын
What if Merry and Pippin got eaten on the way to Isengard?
@freddydyar113
@freddydyar113 6 жыл бұрын
Maybe then the witch king wouldn't have been killed.
@leomartino8873
@leomartino8873 2 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite parts of the whole story
@TJDious
@TJDious 4 жыл бұрын
An excellent illustration of "so the last shall be first and the first shall be last."
@mreyn17
@mreyn17 6 жыл бұрын
Awww, that was... That was truly heart warming
@katokhaelan4881
@katokhaelan4881 5 жыл бұрын
This was so well done. Nice work man. Thank you
@painlord2k
@painlord2k 6 жыл бұрын
Giving Gimli the three hair Galadriel gave him the means to go to Valinor. The three hairs gave him the light of the Threes and the Valar could not deny entering to the elves, not even to three hairs of an elf. Even more if the hair was imbued by the light of the Trees. And they could not separate what was freely given and accepted because this would have prevented the Firstborns from ending their journey in the Eternal Land. Gimli doesn't ask for the Galadriel's hairs, he is just compelled in revealing his desire for them after he refuses to demand something. In fact, he refuses to ask for something because he believes, rightfully, it is wrong to ask for the hair and he is not interested in anything else. This integrates nicely with the Tolkien theme of people being given what they desire only when they decide to renounce to it 1) Ulmo, when he creates the Dwarves renounce them and set to destroy them to be faithful to Eru Iluvatar and Eru stop him and grant him his wish. 2) The sons of Feanor going to war against everyone to get the Silmarils, ending with the Silmarils but unable to hold them (because they are now impure and cannot hold their light) The theme is archetypal: some things cannot be obtained with your own efforts, they cannot be demanded, they can only be freely given.
@noacastillo9608
@noacastillo9608 5 жыл бұрын
Aule***
@SantomPh
@SantomPh 5 жыл бұрын
It was believed that Galadriel used her high status among the Elves to request this special permission for Gimli, as he likely set the hairs in imperishable stone and left them in Erebor beside the Arkenstone.
@SantomPh
@SantomPh 5 жыл бұрын
Feanor was never the High King of the Noldor in the time of the Trees. That would be his father Finwe, who was killed at the same time as the Trees and the theft of the Silmarils. The High Kingship would have passed to Feanor , but the title was actually vacant as Feanor led his sons to Middle Earth, dying almost as soon as he landed after fighting Balrogs. When Fingolfin finally crossed the Helacraxe and met up with Maedhros (after he was rescued by Fingon) , the latter formally gave up his claim to kingship.
@jeffreygao3956
@jeffreygao3956 Жыл бұрын
I thought it was a posthumous insult to injury to Feanor.
@dylanvolckaert404
@dylanvolckaert404 6 жыл бұрын
This gave me the shivers, well done!
@zachstevens7382
@zachstevens7382 6 жыл бұрын
Yes it's great! more more more! ;) how about the neat structures fortresses of middle earth and their history...
@Gravuun
@Gravuun Жыл бұрын
Celeborn just being cool with a dwarf asking for his wifes hair - what a dude
@Roma_eterna
@Roma_eterna 5 жыл бұрын
Hmmmm... I saw a similar video by GeekZone, now I can’t decide which of you did better! Well done, both of you! :)
@nicknortonofficial
@nicknortonofficial 6 жыл бұрын
Literally best channel on KZfaq rn
@ianw.5047
@ianw.5047 6 жыл бұрын
I was always wondering this. Thanks for the upload and I always love the videos you upload
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