Inexpensive Cotton Watercolor Paper- Meeden watercolor block-also, what is sizing?
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@waymire01 3 жыл бұрын
This is the thing about sizing... there are three basic formats they go for.. holds on to paint (good for glazing, bad for lifting)... lets paint go (good for lifting, bad for glazing).. and somewhere in the middle which usually winds up a mess that doesn't do anything well. It's basically impossible to make a paper that does both well since they are opposite reactions to each other. I personally adore a paper that grabs my paint and holds it right where I put it. I work with a lot of detail and glazing and nothing ruins my day faster than paint going mushy. I could care less about lifting. I've tried the hot press version of this paper and it glazes like a boss, I loved it so much I immediately went to Amazon and bought a sample pack of everything they make to try. The hot press BTW has a slight texture which is absolutely the way I like it. This paper is branded for Meeden but it's actually Baohong and they make two versions.. this one (academy) and an artists version. They are both 100% cotton. This paper 100% has sizing, it's just not what you are used to apparently. I've worked on paper with bad/no sizing, everything is a blurry mushy mess, like trying to write with ink on a paper napkin. There is no movement the paint sticks and blooms instantly.
@ChristinaTodd1970 3 жыл бұрын
It has to be sized at least internally or it would act like a napkin. My guess is that it has no EXTERNAL sizing.
@14watecolormore 4 жыл бұрын
Great review. Shizen paper is unsized. Meeden baohong paper is sized with some kind of glue and white powder. Chinese artists brush it well with water first, then dry it, and only then use watercolor on it.
@MeowMeowKapow 4 жыл бұрын
Ah, interesting! I wonder how that changes the performance-thanks for the info!
@MiraSmit 3 жыл бұрын
So if you don't put water on it first expect your paint to act sort of like inktense pencils.
@puppeli 3 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing a video by Teoh Yi Chie, where he found that some of his old watercolor papers had started to lose their sizing (the papers had been sitting in his drawer for some years). Anyways. He he showed on his video how you can reapply sizing to your old watercolor papers. I guess the tricky part is, figuring out how much you should apply it.
@diannaa5631 Жыл бұрын
The artist level is awesome and of course cotton.love it.its my fav for realistic detailed painting
@Randemmz 5 жыл бұрын
You have so much knowledge. It’s fantastic listening to you, you really know what you’re talking about. Thanks for sharing!
@MeowMeowKapow 5 жыл бұрын
Im not entirely sure if I know what I’m talking about half the time, but at least I SOUND like I know. =>.
@chedoodles 3 жыл бұрын
I love this review. I've been eyeing this one for some time and you've given me glimpse how it performs.
@nancypalmer6729 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another solid review! Also, cute artwork. 😎
@MeowMeowKapow 5 жыл бұрын
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@bastet469 5 жыл бұрын
I like Fabriano Artistico 140lb/300gsm paper but it's only cheap in full sheet packs of 10 or more. Last year I got a 10-pack at Jerry's Artarama for $34.99. It might be $36 or 38 now but that's still less than $5/sheet. It's worth the evening I spend breaking them down into smaller sheets while binge watching Law & Order re-runs. 😆😆😆
@MeowMeowKapow 5 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, breaking down giant sheets can toooooootally be economical, even though some may find it tedious. I used to get big sheets of paper when I did a lot more bookbinding because it just made sense to do it that way! I’ve got some fabriano artistico or multiple varieties that I bought on a “let’s go crazy and get obsessed with collecting every kind of paper that’s ever existed” day. =>..>= I know there’s a bin of them trapped inside an inaccessible bookshelf right now, and that’s kind of a bummer.
@momgib2000 5 жыл бұрын
Fluid and Bee paper for me too :) I love using strathmore wc paper for mixed media. Love your portrait :)
@MeowMeowKapow 5 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, I forgot about strathmore! They’re decent enough, and I’m a big fan of their pre-cut trading cards just for convenience and fun. Although I’ve had mixed opinions with their other papers.
@VioletConnieArt 5 жыл бұрын
I was wondering what this paper was like, thanks for the review, very helpful 🙂
@MeowMeowKapow 5 жыл бұрын
Happy to be of service! I hadn’t seen or heard anything about this so...figured it was worth finding out for myself!
@PaintinHiding 4 жыл бұрын
ohhhhhhhh! this was very extremely helpful! thank you so much! i got to your video from watching Kolornix's review on the baohong paper. i've been looking into trying the baohong and your comments on sizing on that paper have been extremely helpful. i actually have some bockingford 300gsm paper that is over a decade old and has completely lost its sizing. i'm so sad about it since it's extremely expensive paper but i'm just going to use them for swatches and experiments. hearing you talk about the lack of sizing on the baohong paper makes me feel like it's so similar to my now-sizing-less bockingford. lol~
@MeowMeowKapow 4 жыл бұрын
Well then, I’m glad to have given you the answers you weren’t entirely sure you were looking for but needed nonetheless!
@Zay878 5 жыл бұрын
Informative! 👍🏼
@MeowMeowKapow 5 жыл бұрын
Glad you approve! =^.^= doing my best to spread the info and make the mistakes so others don’t have to.
@raginighag6595 5 жыл бұрын
Thank youuuuu very much for this review I really needed it and it was sooooo helpful. 👍👌😊🌷
@MeowMeowKapow 5 жыл бұрын
Happy to help! =^.^=
@raginighag6595 5 жыл бұрын
@@MeowMeowKapow Hey thanks for the reply, can I request something actually I really liked the way you review the product , very proper so please can you review Strathmore visual journal 400 series watercolor sketch book and yes is it cellulose or wood pulp or 25 percent cotton? please let me know if you can🌷😊🌷 lots of love from India.
@MeowMeowKapow 5 жыл бұрын
Ragini Ghag due to budgetary restraints and a large backlog of materials to test, I can not take requests. However, I would encourage you to get the supplies anyway and run you own experiments on them! Part of the reason I started my channel was because I wanted to know more and couldn’t find what I needed. Become the person you wish existed for you.
@rebeccapage4411 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yeah, sizing is kind of important unless you're doing Chinese brush painting. I like Stonehenge Aqua as a reasonably priced cotton paper, and Bockingford (cellulose) is one of my absolute faves. Blick carries both, but Legion Paper has an email you can sign up for that goes out a couple of times a year with clearance products. Now THAT paper's a steal!
@MeowMeowKapow 5 жыл бұрын
I actually HAVE a bunch of Stonehenge that I bought a while back for a specific project I never ended up following through on. =>..
@Sandrinesgallery 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing. This is a great review. My favorite paper, besides Arches is the Canson Heritage. Too bad it has to be one of the most expensive too.
@MeowMeowKapow 5 жыл бұрын
Oh dang, haven’t tried that one at all! Probably won’t cuz money. Womp wommmmmp. =>.
@Sandrinesgallery 5 жыл бұрын
@@MeowMeowKapow For a while Blick offered a free block with the purchase of one. Which was a great deal. On its own, it's really pricey and I wonder who the heck buys paper for that price. That said, it's really nice. That said, Arches will do. Hehehe!
@KimberlyCrick 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your experience with this paper and how it performed for you! I've had some bad luck testing papers lately. I bought this cheap watercolor paper called Shizen that had completely missed it's sizing coating stage. Pigments just soaked into the paper fibers. What was intended as a fine detail became chaotic abstract art. The color spread unevenly around the edges of the painted line. Like painting on thick printer paper not even made for watercolor :( It looks like Meeden doesn't have enough, but sadly I've found it could have been much worse lol. On the complete other end of the spectrum some papers have way too much sizing (Mairtini brand). Both are a terrible problem! I normally build up layers of color, but with too much sizing everything lifts easily. I erased any dry layer I put down with a single swipe of a wet brush (eek!). It makes me realize why some paper's have such brand loyalty, Arches in particular, for being more of a consistent middle ground. Some people hate the Bee paper I use, a bit on the lower end of sizing amount, because things tend to stain. It works so well for me though since it holds detail and I can add 5 layers without disturbing the previously dry layers. The search for the *perfect* paper goes on :)
@MeowMeowKapow 5 жыл бұрын
Oh man, I TOTALLY know what you mean about *too much* sizing also being a problem. It makes the page all gummy and stuff moves all weird and wrong. I think that’s one of the problems with some canson Montval paper I used to use for quick stuff and swatches. You totally nailed my feelings about arches without even knowing it, and without me really knowing how to express it. Arches, to me, doesn’t really thrill me. Sometimes I like it, sometimes I don’t, and maybe that’s actually to do with the perspective I gain from any paper I’ve used before. I’ve never HATED arches, but I’ve also never LOVED it, and I think that May be to what you’re essentially describing; its consistent. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with a reliable paper, but when you’re the middle-ground, people looking for something in either extreme direction of the spectrum won’t be as thrilled with the middle. I personally love bee paper, and find it to definitely be a reliable brand for me that hits that sweet spot of affordable, accessible, and performance. My personal favorite is definitely that kilamanjaro paper from cheap joe’s, though. Definitely great for layering, and it comes in both bright white and a sort of natural soft white variety! I’ve heard stellar things about legion’s Stonehenge line but haven’t personally gotten the chance to use my small hoarde of it. =>.
@KimberlyCrick 5 жыл бұрын
@@MeowMeowKapow I'll have to check out that kilamanjaro cheap joes paper! I tried Legion's stonehenge, and while nice, I found the surface a little fragile for pens. I use a technical pen and it works really good on Bee or Arches, but on Legion's paper it tears up the top layer of the paper with the fine needle tip (tiny fibers fray). I suspect this would be the case with any microns/fineliner pens. It handles watercolor and brush pens well though.
@MeowMeowKapow 5 жыл бұрын
Oh dang! I tend to use brush pens a lot more nowadays, but still use tech pens, fine liners, and dip pens when I need/want to. Shame about them tearing up the legion!
@cazumbandoartmaddy1728 5 жыл бұрын
Heya! I have yet to watch the whole video but back a while ago I ordered this paper via AliExpress, the smallest cold press size and a bigger hot press size. I agree about the texture of the cold press - it's grainy and you end up accidentally drybrushing more than it should. I quite like it for loose painting and urban sketches for the portability and because it is glued. Now for the hotpress, I made a nice illustration and I quite loved! The texture is, well, smooth as normal printer paper so anyone needing control with their lines won't face trouble. Granted, I think I faced the same issue as yours - doesn't take the same number of layers as, let's say, an arches, but it's a really good price point for those who doesn't live in the US-EU axis, and on Jackson's website they do sell fluid cotton paper! I just don't know if the price is as good as the price you'd find in US. Another good paper I would really recommend if it wasn't so hard to find outside of EU would be a clairefontaine cold press block. Back then I paid £25 for a 20 sheet block with a 24x30cm size. Haven't used much because of that usual artist fear of ruining nice paper with not so good art :P It's weird that on Amazon they're being sold under meeden, they aren't meeden branded at all but rather as "Baohong". This is the "academy" line of cotton paper. On AliExpress they also sell the Baohong "Artist quality" paper and I bought them too! Still didn't experiment painting on them to see how they take up.
@MeowMeowKapow 5 жыл бұрын
I noticed the meeden/baohong/academy thing, and I think it’s because Meeden is totally reselling all sorts of stuff that they just buy in bulk from generic companies. The only thing that has their name stamped on it are the half pans I get from them, so I’m curious if they truly manufacture anything. Actually, the tube paints I’ve got might have their name as well. Haven’t heard of the paper you mentioned! And when I looked for the fluid 100 cotton paper on Jacksons, it wasn’t there. But their search doesn’t seem the most intuitive so I might have been either too vague or too specific on my quest. =>.
@cazumbandoartmaddy1728 5 жыл бұрын
@@MeowMeowKapow unfortunately clairefontaine watercolor paper isn't sold at Jackson's, strangely... They sell other pads of their paper but they have so many paper products available! And for the fluid paper on Jackson's, they're actually a tad cheaper than Amazon right now because they're running a sale: www.jacksonsart.com/global-fluid-100-easy-block-watercolour-paper-300gsm-6x8in-cold-pressed?___store=jacksonsart_en&acc=5d44ee6f2c3f71b73125876103c8f6c4
@MeowMeowKapow 5 жыл бұрын
Maddy Torta De Climão Jackson’s always seems like hit or miss to me-sometimes they have what I’m looking for, other times they don’t. Sometimes they’re cheaper, sometimes they’re not! I do end up having a blast getting lost and tempted on their site, though. Sigh. Art supplies.
@shareart6561 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Maddy, I have purchased the baohong academy blocks five times since earlier this year. By the way, I noticed that they had three different surfaces among them even though they are the same cold pressed model. It is inconvenient for the user that the paper surface purchased in a few months is inconsistent. Overall, they are great for beginners of non-us / uk backgrounds to use 100% cotton watercolour paper at a reasonable price. For color swatch, there is no difference from arches(I've compared in my share art channel). Still I'm so interested in this paper. So It would be highly appreciate if you could tell us the difference between the academy and artist grade of baohong :)
@603mal 4 жыл бұрын
I think Meeden is just the name of an art shop, because the brand of this paper is Baohong. Baohong is very popular in China by the way and their Artists watercolour paper is much better than this Academy block
@MeowMeowKapow 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I’ve noticed some in discrepancies when it comes to the branding on their products. I think they’re basically a reseller, but that they do sell a FEW items that are actually their own brand.
@ariweaver1543 5 жыл бұрын
Oh, I had totally forgotten about Fluid! I should definitely pick up another little block of theirs. Is Cheap Joe's good? I tried Jerry's for the first time a few months ago and have quickly realized that if something isn't on sale right now, it probably will be in a week. :P Also, I think every sale of theirs is their biggest in some category (today/ this week/ this month/ this year/ ???). :P Also, hello, Bubba! ^^ My cats are having a pretty good day today, on the whole. They're getting tons of extra wet food! Unfortunately, the dry food seems to be harder to come by than it used to be, but the wet food is pretty good. Not the worst trade off! ^^ Also, the scary machine men came yesterday, so today is a great day for naps. ^^
@MeowMeowKapow 5 жыл бұрын
Darn those scary machine men and their determination to be scary all the time!! Darn them!!! Cheap joe’s is basically exactly the same as Jerry’s, so the same rules apply. I haven’t shopped there for maybe a year, but I bought a bunch of blocks of their kilamanjaro paper once I realized I loved it, and it ended up on sale. And fluid really is such a good, reliable, but somewhat forgettable paper since it’s totally inoffensive. Fluid and hand•book and global arts materials are all the same company, apparently, but I recently noticed that speedball May have bought them up. Interested to see if things change and REALLY hoping they don’t.
@michelled.5321 5 жыл бұрын
Hey so i just found ur channel today and fell in love with it!! Thank u for being awesome!!! Im new to painting and watercolors, and im extremely interested in making my own mini pallets so finding ur channel was like a god sent haha I was wondering if u could try out the derwent tube watercolors for a travel pallet video. They r cheap but the reviews on amazon r all over the place. I dont know enough about watercolor paint brand to make a smart choice. And since im broker then a desert in a drought, im begging for ur help on this! With ur awesome knowledge about paint and making pallets asking u might b the smartest idea ive had in a good long while lol anyways thank u for the great content and insight! Its been a major help!
@MeowMeowKapow 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for putting your faith in me! Due to also being broker than a building Miley Cyrus came in like a wrecking ball at, I’m unable to take requests for material reviews. Plus, I’ve got a huuuuuuuge backlog of stuff I’ve been meaning to test so there’s basically a nonstop stream of stuff to try already. =>.
@michelled.5321 5 жыл бұрын
@@MeowMeowKapow ok awesome! Thank u so much!! And yeah i did check around for a review of derwent paint tubes and sadly no luck. But thats ok cuz im learning abit more about paints and products slowly haha and yeah ur channel is wonderful!!
@zoetkt 5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting review and findings! Thank you for sharing 😊 It actually sounds like something I would like to use! In some cases mostly when painting something elaborate, I notice that I hate it wheny paint starts lifting. True it is practical for correcting mistakes and softening hard edges, but I prefer the colors to stay put! I think I might like it. Where you happy with the vibrancy of the colors? How about edge softening while still wet? How does it behave when you use a single or a couple of layers? Would it be appropriate for landscape and urban sketches? Too many questions.. Hahah 😅
@MeowMeowKapow 5 жыл бұрын
I think at this price point, it might just be best for you to get the paper yourself and find out if you like it or not. =>.
@ve3-j4hdarkskybadblack89 4 жыл бұрын
Hi I was planning to buy this paper and I have a question, will you reccomend it for a begginner? I only intend to use it for practicing and not so serious illustration. I just want to learn the technical skills in watercolor, will upu reccomend it?
@KitarraChaosWeaver 5 жыл бұрын
It's interesting, Meeden seems to create art products that are almost but not quite entirely unlike what you would expect. They are hugely popular in Asia which I find interesting. And they sell an interesting looking pan set on Amazon that the Frugal Crafter reviewed. They seem to be the company of pros and cons!
@MeowMeowKapow 5 жыл бұрын
I have a sneaking suspicion that they do not, in fact, make a majority of their products and are, instead, bulk-buying things from generic manufacturers and reselling them. Mostly because their quality varies wildly from product to product, and even the quality control within each individual item is wildly different. I reviewed some of their brushes a while ago and they were AWFUL. Someone else said they had completely the opposite experience, so I think maybe it’s basically all just.....like.....but half pans from meeden but nothing else because it’s all a crapshoot as to whether or not it’ll even be usable.
@KitarraChaosWeaver 5 жыл бұрын
@@MeowMeowKapow I think you may be on to something, detective! They may just buy lots from the lowest bidder and brand it as X and sometimes it's good and sometimes it's bad.
@croberts3269 2 жыл бұрын
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@FranNyan 4 жыл бұрын
I've been doing number crunching for papers, and currently, Cheap Joe's Sampler Kilimanjaro pack is the cheapest cotton paper per square inch for those not looking for a block form. ( $0.0039 per square inch. For comparison, the cheapest form of Fluid100 I found is $0.0063 per square inch.) Not sure how long the sample pack price tag will hold, but that will be my go-to paper for as long as it lasts :)
@MeowMeowKapow 4 жыл бұрын
I love the Kilimanjaro papers! Sometimes when the blocks are on sale I’ll stock up on them. =^.^=
@FranNyan 4 жыл бұрын
@@MeowMeowKapow I have yet to try out any block yet, I've been just cutting the sheets down to a smaller size and using washi tape to keep them flat on an acrylic board. How often do the blocks go on sale, do you know? Still new enough to this all that it's been the same sale at Cheap Joe's the entire time I've been aware of the site! (A little refreshing, compared to Jerry's ever 3-4 day cycle!)
@MeowMeowKapow 4 жыл бұрын
No idea! But it’s often enough that I had to unsubscribe from their emails because it was too tempting. =>.
@FranNyan 4 жыл бұрын
@@MeowMeowKapow Huh! I don't think I've gotten a single email from them since signing up. Wonder if that's either changed or I just didn't sign up like I thought I did! Either way, thanks for the info!
@pluto6225 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, do you think Sizing Liquid/Daniel Smith Watercolor ground can solve the Baohong problem?
@MeowMeowKapow 4 жыл бұрын
As I have no experience with the product, I have no advice or opinion!
@LanaGoesArt 5 жыл бұрын
I never knew Medeen had paper too. Well your theory about why the paper behaves that way and does not allow to lift or correct mistakes sounds locical. But I think it still might be a good alternative to Canson XL, right? :D Have a wonderful evening and awwww Bubba! I'm so in love with your fluff :)
@MeowMeowKapow 5 жыл бұрын
Nah, cannon XL, in my opinion, is easier to control than this paper was. Sure, canson warps like all heck and is the lowest usable quality for non-cotton papers, but I’d be more willing to work on a full, detailed painting with the canson XL stuff than with this meeden paper. But like I said in the video, being able to soften edges and lift and such has become an important part of my technique, so taking away that ability was a real handicap. I actually use canson xl a lot, since it’s one of my “don’t care about it so do whatever I want with it” sketchbooks. A lot of the swatching videos and doodlefinder videos are done in it, actually! Probably my favorite one was the quinacridone quintet m graham video, where I ended up drawing a devil in a bath robe. And I ddI quite a lot of lifting in that piece-wouldn’t have been nearly as fun if I hadn’t.
@LanaGoesArt 5 жыл бұрын
@@MeowMeowKapow That is interesting. I never would have thought the doodlefinder were made on Canson XL paper! You're sooo amazingly talented. I agree with you, that lifting is an important part of the painting process. Btw I can still remember the devil, your doodlefinder paintings are amongst my favourites. :)
@MeowMeowKapow 5 жыл бұрын
That devil is legit one of my favorite pieces. Canson XL gets a bad rap and is almost uttered like a dirty word, but really? It’s a pretty reliable choice. Nothing fancy, and certainly not the BEST in any category, but when you find bad papers you start to appreciate the mediocre ones that everyone overlooks. Most of my doodlefinders are done on canson because it’s so affordable, but I’ve also slipped in bee paper, and now hand•book (which is also done by the same company that makes fluid.)
@LanaGoesArt 5 жыл бұрын
@@MeowMeowKapow I agree, that Canson Xl might not be the best, but it's also not the worst. Here I found that Hahnemühle Brittania (because made in Germany) is more afordable and I like it a little better, so that's my choice for papers to use for everything. But Bee paper and Fluid are very expensive here, because they need to be imported, so I never tried them. These decisions, which paper is the best to use also need to be made with the location in mind and what is available at what cost.
@coleperez3612 5 жыл бұрын
I've switched from cansonxl (the only semi decent paper I had readily available for a long time) to bee watercolor paper and omg it so wonderful. And at the price point it's my absolute favorite. I want to try arches but holy cow that price. Have you tried bee and if you do would it be a better value than the two you mentioned here?
@MeowMeowKapow 5 жыл бұрын
Considering I said bee and fluid are my favorites, yes, I’ve tried bee. :P as for value? Supposed that depends on the price point when you go to get it, and whether or not you care about loose sheets versus getting a block. I have both and use them differently depending on what I’m doing and when, so I don’t really have a “do this, not that” for these two!
@coleperez3612 5 жыл бұрын
@@MeowMeowKapow sorry meow long day at work I must have missed it. I was pretty sure I learned about bee from you but for the life of me couldn't remember. I have their loose sheets and was considering a block pad for on the go painting.
@MeowMeowKapow 5 жыл бұрын
I don’t have their block pad so can’t say anything about it, but I do have their watercolor journal and flippin LOVE it. Absolutely head over heels love their watercolor journals. The ones with black covers. I used them for all my Inktober 2017 videos and that’s when our love affair began.
@coleperez3612 5 жыл бұрын
@@MeowMeowKapow thanks meow. 😁
@Pocalypticart 5 жыл бұрын
thanks for the thoughts on this, ill keep an eye out for it!! i really enjoy working with bee paper but ive found that my daniel smiths will haaardly budge compared to on cellulose, and m. graham and sennelier only do a little better with that, so ive acclimated when working with it! on the block of the fluid100 paper i have, it actually extremely dulls my dark tones and gets a little testy with too many layers so im wondering if i just got a bad block or something since no one mentions the same. id definitely keep trying it because i really love that price point!
@MeowMeowKapow 5 жыл бұрын
Hm. Is the fluid paper you’re using cellulose, or cotton? I’ve used both, and while I certainly use the cellulose more frequently for its price point, I’ve loved the cotton every time I’ve used it!
@Pocalypticart 5 жыл бұрын
Meow Meow Kapow surprisingly it is the 100% cotton one 😅 i got a little 4x6 block from blicks website for $5! that definitely gives me hope to keep trying it!! it soaks up the saturation from my colors, but for some reason i experience it much less with sennelier paints. truly an anomaly 🤔 thanks for the reply btw!! your videos have definitely influenced my watercolor journey!
@Drumaier 4 жыл бұрын
I have experience with fabriano artístico and saunders Waterford and i like this last one a lot. I don't like the fabriano too much.
@MeowMeowKapow 4 жыл бұрын
Just reviewed the Saunders Waterford sort of accidentally, actually! I own fabriano artistico, just still haven’t gotten a chance to use t yet. Have heard mixed things about it so I’m looking forward to eventually putting it through its paces!
@Drumaier 4 жыл бұрын
@@MeowMeowKapow thanks for the answer! I'd like to hear about your opinion of how they compare, if you remember to come back here after you try the Fabriano. I can't put my finger on what is the difference between them... Is more a feeling i have than an actual complain. I think is that fabriano is somehow too soft and absorbent more water and buckles more easily. Probably it may have to do with the style one goes for (more wet on wet or more filling colors for illustrations) and the level of skill (can one work alla prima or needs to rework). Anyways! My next try will be saunders 200lb, since from what i heard is the best thing ever (taking into account quality, grs/m, and price). Cheers!
@MeowMeowKapow 4 жыл бұрын
Drumaier J oh, I FOR SURE won’t remember to come back and comment. =>.
@Drumaier 4 жыл бұрын
@@MeowMeowKapow LOL!! fair enough! and yes i will definitely keep an eye on upcoming videos ;) CHeers.
@MDCampbell 5 жыл бұрын
I want to use my Monopoly money as real money, but nobody will accept it... I think it's because it doesn't feel as nice as the real thing. Ah well. Did you notice any pilling on this paper? I've found with paper that's not sized well (cheap) and pure cotton paper, that it tends to pill easier if I work an area too much, unlike the Legions or Arches. Overall, what would be your recommendation on this paper, especially for someone like me? I'm staring at Meeden, and while I love their tins, I'm wondering about all the private label products they are pitching, a discussion we've had before, in brief. Between them, Arteza, and Wanmei, there's a lot of these kinds of products on the market and it's tough to tell which one's are "truly" good vs. truly good "enough." If that makes sense. Love this review and both pieces are fabulous! Thank you! :)
@MeowMeowKapow 5 жыл бұрын
There wasn’t any pilling, but looking at it afterwards there was a bit of feathering in the paint and the ink. It’s hidden pretty well by the texture, but I’d personally pass on this. This is another resell by meeden, because the company listed on the pad itself is something that starts with a B. My favorite meeden product remains their half pans, yeah. =>.
@MDCampbell 5 жыл бұрын
@@MeowMeowKapow I haven't tried their half pans and have the tube set - waiting to be tried at some point! lol! I still wish I could spend my Monopoly money. sigh. :)
@MeowMeowKapow 5 жыл бұрын
M.D. Campbell nah, I meant their actual physical empty half pans-haven’t tried their pre-poured paints, and I’ve only swatched the tube ones!
@fu_-._.-_ji 3 жыл бұрын
i think you just got a bad block. baohong watercolor papers work pretty well for me, but I did experience the problems as mentionned in your video, after a long time of not using it. baohong definitely have sizing just like any other watercolor papers, so it must be because of unfavorable storage conditions, the sizing deteriorated over times.
@Oozaru85 9 ай бұрын
Meeden? This is the Baohong paper tho. Not Meeden.
@Kyomiibrown 5 жыл бұрын
The paper might only be minimally internally sized, rather than external too like others. Hence the price.
@MeowMeowKapow 5 жыл бұрын
It’s possible, though I would have no way of knowing if that were true or not. Surface sizing is so much easier to identify, especially when it’s done poorly like in a couple of books I have where a full wash over the page turns out splotchy....but internal sizing? I’ve got no idea how to test or identify that.
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