Mercedes-AMG M177/M178 Engine Overview

Mercedes-AMG M177/M178 Engine Overview | 4.0 V8 Biturbo (4K)

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In this video, I discuss why the Mercedes AMG V8 Biturbo M177 engine is a favourite among enthusiasts. The m177 was featured in the w213 E63, w205 C63, as well as others. I start by going over some specs on the m177, then go into more detail on the M178 in the AMG GT.
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@wanterman5641 2 жыл бұрын

This is by far the best video on the M177 & M178 engine variant from Mercedes AMG.…Ls1 & Ls2…..Hmmmm sounds like a Chevy engine. Brilliant video.

@JomesZ 2 жыл бұрын

My CL63 with it's M156 V8 will always have a place in my garage. We are a dying breed, the few that still remain have earned respect in the car community.🔝☑️

@jason5776 2 жыл бұрын

E63 with the M156 i love it never has let me down ...knock on wood

@spudlymac 2 жыл бұрын

I'm taking my 07 e63 on a long road trip tomorow

@MrBitemeidareya 2 жыл бұрын

Misfire and leaning running codes (rough running) are usually fixed by a vin specific ME software update. The engines make a lot of power but for emissions they run really lean, and sometimes it triggers the misfire counter although technically its not misfiring.

@MrDavidchuck 2 жыл бұрын

Could you explain on what you mean?

@wandy4468 2 жыл бұрын

@@MrDavidchuck means a dealer visit and have them reflash a new updated software version for the ecu. free of charge if the car is still under warranty.

@MrDavidchuck 2 жыл бұрын

@Wandy .. “ME softwares”??

@MrBitemeidareya 2 жыл бұрын

@@MrDavidchuck motor electronics, thats what mercedes calls their engine control module

@AMGmeister 2 жыл бұрын

Note @4:15 : The power in the M177 LS2 is actually rated up to 630 hp and 660 lb-ft in the AMG GT 63 S but no mechanical changes vs. the E63 S are listed. Also, the text should say 850Nm on screen (or 895Nm for the GT 63).

@tax905972 2 жыл бұрын

Different turbos

@aestheticswim3397 2 жыл бұрын

i wouldn't even know where to begin on trying to upgrade for more power,bigger turbos?,e85 and a tune,really hard to start

@tax905972 2 жыл бұрын

@@aestheticswim3397 tuners and bigger turbos.

@Lbegiss 2 ай бұрын

Pin the comment 📌

@zali9657 2 жыл бұрын

This is the. Best 4.0 v8 in the market

@nourdineamg5762 2 жыл бұрын

I love you man, and i love what you do, you're a real amg meister

@konradbeti8369 2 жыл бұрын

I am so glad that I am subscribed to your channel. Brilliant video!

@lexlawless 2 жыл бұрын

Nice video and great analysis. Thx for featuring my AMG-GTC!

@machdaddy6451 2 ай бұрын

AMG GT-R is really fun to drive.

@nourhabra 2 жыл бұрын

Incredible video, well done man

@olifilentsoma7850 Жыл бұрын

Nice to know where I can find my true fellow AMG lovers. With love from South Africa 👋🏾

@azizshaikh330 2 жыл бұрын

I was just watching your video of the m157 and thinking if you had made a video about the 4.0 but I did not see.What a day love your videos

@user-1500HP 9 ай бұрын

Very good information and nicely edited.

@atomant830 Жыл бұрын

I watched this video to see if there were any problems with the hot-v setup over time (like with BMW's N63). I didn't think having the turbos in that position was good for seals and gaskets. So far MB looks to have got it right in terms of reliability.

@kirbywinters1291 Жыл бұрын

The 6.7 Powerstroke diesel in the Ford Superduty trucks is a hot V setup. The early years 2011-2014 had turbo issues but overall it seems to be a solid engine.

@tabaricurry4668 Жыл бұрын

The N63 was just a bad engine when it came out. Audi had the hot-v but even the early ones are pretty reliable in those

@unclebenz563 2 жыл бұрын

Good research and very well put together into a video. It will be interesting to see how these engines will perform in the future

@alexanderivanoff 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, mate! Well done! I'm driving the M177 LS2 in an E63s and while it is a great engine with mind blowing performance, I'm still missing the pure and clear V8 rumble + brutal sounds coming out of the sport exhaust in the M157 engines - as we all know - there's "no replacement for displacement". I can also confirm the rough idling on the M177. Not sure what to do besides replacing the spark plugs and ignition coils, but I can live with it. :) So sad that these amazing engines will become history soon...

@thatmatty231guy 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed! The M157 is a bit closer to original - but then if you hop in the old 113k or 156 thats OLD school AMG v8 haha :) The M177 & M157 are still great :)

@DZGunner 2 жыл бұрын

my c63 s with an armytrix exhaust really has that deep v8 sound to it. Although the m157 sounds good, i really don't think these engines are missing out in the sound department at all. You have to consider that the turbos act as mufflers in a way. so stacking cats, and actual mufflers will deaden the sound. Open it up a bit and I promise you it sounds just as great.

@aarongebrewold Жыл бұрын

Yes will be so bummed when AMG stops making these v8s..I’m a big fan of the AMG GTRs and am hoping to get my hands on one soon..im convinced they’ll be classics in the not too distant future when merc inevitably goes all EV…

@bulmear2531 2 жыл бұрын

honestly best AMG channel hands down

@johntarenidis9338 2 жыл бұрын

Your videos are pure brilliance. Keep up the great work.

@avinashj3985 2 ай бұрын

Great video, are you planning to do a follow up video on the reliability of the M177 now that it has been out for almost 10 years or a comparison vs the M157 being they are both turbocharged.

@dnaxfilms9132 2 жыл бұрын

Hurts my heart to know that this might be the last V-8 glad I got my M156 for now

@AlexHernandez-xh8ei 2 жыл бұрын

Noooo 😭😭

@zf4hp24 2 жыл бұрын

I predict moving to 4 bangers exclusively will doom AMG. Also, hang on to that M156 - the only engine with AMG logos all over the castings.

@mg9146 11 ай бұрын

How do you Think that this will affect the Price of your 63 amg

@eyesofadonai Жыл бұрын

Thank you for giving some real info, when I did a c63 e63 compare search, all i got was youtube trash drag racing and lazy eyed word salad about subjective things in the cars.

@foam27 2 жыл бұрын

I learned a lot from this informative video ;) --2013 SL 63 owner.

@talkditingsdem5799 10 сағат бұрын

That's the m157.

@marcospersia3242 4 ай бұрын

Very good your video!!! my question is, the block of the m177 and m178 are the same?

@Gor.eri77 7 ай бұрын

Can you make a video about c63/s w205 issues and common problems?

@redgediakite3364 Жыл бұрын

You just mixed the 1st seen application as the M178 came before the M177. But other than that great video 🤟🏿

@francescobalestrieri7096 2 жыл бұрын

Chain driven water pump. Sounds fun.

@aidanlee2871 2 жыл бұрын

Mercedes’ Planned obsolescence BS

@paladin3116 2 жыл бұрын

water pump is only $250. Take it to a independent shop and have it done probably under 1k but yeah planned obsolescence is real

@Supremxcyxi Жыл бұрын

Pay to play.

@jonathanhuynh880 2 жыл бұрын

Do you like the m157/m278 over this motor or this one way better?

@MattCSLnut 2 жыл бұрын

Great informative video... every day is a school day.

@jacemoezinia8764 3 ай бұрын

Thinking about upgrading from my 2015 Cls 63 to a 2016/2017 AMG GT/S. Is the M178 More or less reliable than an M157 if both are stock and regularly maintained? I’m a little bit unsure of what to do as the AMG GT is a pretty car but I do really enjoy the M157 engine and sharp looks of my Cls. Not to mention that the car has been very reliable. do you think I’ll miss the M157 in terms of thrill and reliability by moving on into the GT ? Thanks!!

@CJr_M Жыл бұрын

Can you make a comparison of the M177/78 vs Volkswagen/Audi's 4.0 TFSI

@Mrniceguy179 8 күн бұрын

May i know is the 2018 S63amg coupe C217 is M177 LS1 or LS2?

@SMack-mj2bp 10 күн бұрын

2 year update? How is this motor holding?

@kevincaruso132 2 жыл бұрын

What is the firing order of the M177 and M178 engine?

@zgwenwen 2 жыл бұрын

hey are there any AMG clubs in Vancouver ?

@print-master 2 жыл бұрын

I have the LS1 in my 2016 c63s yet is has cylinder deactivation. The vid alludes cd became available on the LS2

@matthewcohen5732 Жыл бұрын

How does the cylinder deactivation work? I have never seen anything like that

@panthomas2013 2 жыл бұрын

how about the m176 engine,is it from AMG?

@jamsxr Жыл бұрын

Nice video. RIP the V8.

@ItsLeems 6 ай бұрын

How long do I need to let this engine idle after driving to prevent engine/ turbo/ excessive oil damage/ degradation from occurring?

@AMGDINERO 5 ай бұрын

5 mins

@drmikegaspwred1483 2 жыл бұрын

do a video about m117/m119/m100 amg engine

@lawrenceralph7481 2 ай бұрын

Lots of trouble coming. Like the M278 preceding it. 1. Plastics with flimsy connectors buried in very hot places. 2. DI without PI will carbon up intake valves quickly. Cylinder deactivation and cam cover adhesive aging are upcoming problems. 3. All are buried under layers of stuff which breaks when you disassemble it. 4. MB shop rates and book times are punitive. In short. Consider avoiding German altogether if you have time and money constraints.

@talkditingsdem5799 10 сағат бұрын

Be quiet!

@racebannon2332 4 ай бұрын

Great video, very informative! My GLE AMG 63s SUV is phenomenal. Sadly, these stellar engines and vehicles are coming to an end as AMG is turning to 2.0 L & electrified engines for the future.

@Manuqtix.Manuqtix 2 жыл бұрын

Ok what is the cheapest way to get your hands on a m177/176 basically a used Mercedes-benz which comes with a m177/176 that depreciates like a stone?

@wailfaridi2070 2 жыл бұрын

The cheapest car to get into an M177 from brand new is the C63, so logically it's the cheapest car on the 2nd hand market as well. It's also one of the best all around AMG cars so it's a steal

@josephwazna2079 2 жыл бұрын

do a M133 video

@IAmLeutrimTopalli 2 жыл бұрын

Nico rosberg at 0:48?

@dangermittens 2 жыл бұрын

Good spot

@ultimateniggatron3831 2 жыл бұрын

Doesn't the M177 make 630hp on the GT63s?

@AMGmeister 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Somehow I missed that. I'll make a note.

@azizshaikh330 2 жыл бұрын

What hp does a e63s 2013 make is it 518 or 577 or something else

@bassel.m2988 2 жыл бұрын

Depends but 2013 E63S back then when the M156 was in its prime and peak times, somewhere around 630hp and up

@azizshaikh330 2 жыл бұрын

@@bassel.m2988 oh I see

@keiadam 2 жыл бұрын

It made 577hp and 800nm

@azizshaikh330 2 жыл бұрын

@@bassel.m2988 what do you think a e63s can make because its confusing for me 2013 it's like 518hp then 2014 577hp but for 2013 it's a normal e63 not the s So what hp can it make by any chance

@azizshaikh330 2 жыл бұрын

@@keiadam oh ok thanks

@michaelajayi 2 жыл бұрын

End of V8 Engines?😢

@Relax-zn2yc 2 жыл бұрын

If possible, can you do a review of the SL 65 BLACK SERIES.

@JohnDoe-pf3ue 2 жыл бұрын

65 black series used M275 twin turbo charged V12 that produced 670hp the engine is now considered dated to modern V8’s that make the same power.

@verde629 Жыл бұрын

Is it too risky to buy a used W205 C63?

@SuperMedic07 Жыл бұрын

No it's not risky at all, but like any car just look for lower mileage to be on safe side. I got mine used 2 years ago at 30k miles. Been tuned for over a year now approaching 50k miles and not one single issue. Regular maintenance and the car will treat you right.

@jbaumgart794 2 жыл бұрын

The M177 also features a dry sump And with the M177 LS2 cylinder deactivation I'm not so sure about

@SamAbraham 2 жыл бұрын

M177 isn’t dry sump, it’s still a wet sump. And yes the E63S was advertised as being able to run on 4 cylinders in ideal highway conditions. Real world testing proved that its quite difficult to get the car to actually deactivate 4 cylinders but it’s still possible

@jbaumgart794 2 жыл бұрын

@@SamAbraham good to know. Thanks

@print-master 2 жыл бұрын

@@SamAbraham it deactivates on the over run and puts a blue sail boat to show as the revs drop ( i think)

@matthewcohen5732 Жыл бұрын

@@print-master that is sail mode, it activates when eco start/stop is enabled and you are coasting. It decouples the engine and transmission so you can coast with less mechanical resistance. Does it also deactivate some cylinders? This I had never heard of

@JR-bf8gf 2 жыл бұрын

Is the power difference between standard models and 'S' models simply a power limit induced on the non-S? There are lots of people offering cheap remaps up to the same horsepower of the S models and if there's no mechanical difference it seems like a good option

@supie5063 11 ай бұрын

The non s c63 tops out at 155. it's around 460 hp. On the other hand, the c63s hits 180 with 503 hp if this helps

@Avrelivs_Gold Жыл бұрын

This engine may suit mass-production cars but exclusive hand-built supercars need more sound, more reliability. This is why classic American n/a V8 will live when these will soon be replaced by turbo V6 and even smaller hybrid engines.

@nobenznofun9139 2 жыл бұрын

Great vid great engine, but it is a nightmare to work on😱

@Despisinq 3 ай бұрын

Its sad they’re moving away from these special engines

@TheRealBootyWarrior 7 ай бұрын

cHerVY Enjin name

@wailfaridi2070 2 жыл бұрын

Such a shame AMG has cut down the V12 and now the V8, 4 cylinders are souless

@damilolaakanni 2 жыл бұрын

They're going to cut down 4 cylinders as well at some point...I see AMG going full electric very soon.😢

@thatmatty231guy 2 жыл бұрын

@@damilolaakanniA guy who works for Benz already said they stopped developing Petrol engines full stop. (I.e. straight petrol - non hybrid)

@aarongebrewold Жыл бұрын

@@damilolaakanni yup inside of the next 5 years it’ll be all EV

@aarongebrewold Жыл бұрын

@@thatmatty231guy yup get your future classics now and hang on tight ..*cough* AMG GTR 🤣

@gblikesnikes 2 жыл бұрын

I didn’t know Mercedes-Benz was still fucking with Chevy on there engine code. I thought they stopped this in the 00’s 😂😂😂

@Sbrabson04 Ай бұрын

Lol😂

@Gus_Davidson 2 жыл бұрын

There’s so much to like about a hot V… !

@jamesdon9375 2 жыл бұрын

I feel this engine doesn't have the same soul as the previous AMG V8s

@unclebenz563 2 жыл бұрын

It's a different kind of soul

@mayamanign 7 ай бұрын

These things are just way to complicated. Used issues will destroy you.

@tax905972 2 жыл бұрын

Disgusting what they’re doing. Time for the,Extended warranty for the 2020 GLC63

@Brad-tq2pi 4 ай бұрын

Stupid fast engines!

@machdaddy6451 2 ай бұрын

With AMG it's not so much whether you can afford the car, but whether you can afford the maintenance. Typical German over-engineering.

@Xyb3rTeCh Жыл бұрын

I hope Mercedes will see significant drop in sales of their AMG 63 lines due to their shift towards a despicable 4 cylinder powertrain.