That's the maFIA!

Isn’t that what the World Motorsport Council is for?

@@christiansimmons630 the world motorsport council is a group the creates the rules and regulations for motorsports. it doesnt intervene in legal matters

They won't allow that due to corruption inside the FiA it self

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there is proper racing now as well from front to back. It's just Max that is the anomaly atm. That being said I would like there to be some more rules around forced pit stops, maybe force teams to run every compound every race or something!

Pirelli were making tires with wear rates that the FIA were asking for and getting pilloried for doing so 🤷‍♂️. I felt sorry for them back then was waiting for them to quit the sport as they were getting literally nothing out of F1.

And remember the awesome 2012 season where the first 7 races got 7 different winners. We could only dream of that!

I want to see racing. Not a tyre management championship.

It didn't just have to do with the Pirelli tyres though. Multiple teams produced competitive cars in the V8 era. The turbo hybrid era has just been a one team swan song for the most part.

Only letting some teams participate in the test, but not all... sounds familiar, no? Oh wait that's right. The rule in Abu Dhabi where Masi let only some cars through, but not all. I wonder if that day the FIA, was like, let's make up for screwing this one up. Feels like the those making decisions on these sorts of things haven't improved in 10 years. Maybe the FIA should have someone who's primary language is English discuss the implications of critical decisions before they're made so it's not an issue later?

@@brandonstevens4513 What does that have to do with the price of fish. Abu Dhabi has the benefit of taking place during an actual race with limited time to make a decision. This test had no ticking clock on it, there was plenty of time to go about it the correct way. Instead they went about it in the worst way possible. This wasn't some sort of effort to make right a wrong that happened a decade ago it is its own brand of stupidity. Being clear here I do not necessarily agree with Abu Dhabi but I am sick and tired of it being brought up when discussing completely unrelated matters.

​@@BType13X2Cult Lh are permanently stuck in 2021🤣

Shall doesn't mean all 😂

@@darrenjohn8524 I mean everyone but Crashtappen fangirls agree it was rigged. And I say that as an Aussie.

Problem is Ferrari got punished for it, Redbull too, to a certain degree

@@andredanieldasilvaleite3672 and merc got the most dominant period in f1 history since him clark

@@andredanieldasilvaleite3672you bring home the exact point of the original comment… every fkn team cheats, is busted and sometimes punished sometimes not, the mistreats level out over time. What pisses me off is the attitude sone teams and drivers bring to the grid positioning themselves as the truly deserving and always fair playing hailsbringer

It wouldn't have ruimed them anymore Kimi wasn't chasing that money they owed to him

He couldn't get more money out of them, maybe he would have been awarded some of their assets in a trial

@@silviuandrei4207 Wait, so your saying in an alternate universe where Pirelli never changed the construction of the tyres, Kimi wins the World Championship and reforms ICE1 Racing from the ashes of Lotus to challenge for the championship in 2014?

From what I remember Mercedes cars were very hard on their tyres before this secret test but then after the test the new tyres worked perfect for Mercedes but now all of the other teams on the grid couldn't seem to get any heat in their new tyres.

None of which was on Mercedes though. I really can’t see how they’re at fault for any of this. Had it been Ferrari or Red Bull the situation would’ve been exactly the same This just shows massive failings on behalf of the FIA and Pirelli

@@christiansimmons630 You're right it wasn't a current spec, it was a version of the car that was being brought to race later that season which is even more suspect.

@@andrewa9700 again, that’s a problem for the FIA who cleared the cad for use 🤷🏼‍♂️ every other team would’ve done the same - again against the spirit of sport but that doesn’t exist

its like being the only team who cheats the budget cap and gets away with it while claiming the were wronged LOL

@@christiansimmons630 Oh really, they all would? Because the video literally mentioned that Ferrari ran an older spec car in a tire test that only they were doing... 8:30

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Also wtf does security have to do with the decision to wear their normal painted helmet 😂

Maybe ask @wtf1 channel for a video on this 😂😂

Other? No, Mercedes ran #9 and #10 in 2013. This was before the permanent driver numbers were introduced

likely, but it doesnt really look like it was their fault so they couldnt get punished, both FIA and Pirrelli screwed up

What advantage did they get? 🤔 the 2013 tyres they tested where withdrawn from use just a few of races later because they kept falling apart when a stiff breeze hit them Mercedes where banned from the young driver test that allowed them to evaluate the replacement tyres to be used for the rest of the season - so they were actually disadvantaged compared to every other team

@@christiansimmons630 That was 1000kms on the current spec car which in season was banned for years prior. That's always an advantage. However you spin in Mercedes cheated and the punishment they got was very weak.

@@ChristopherBuenviaje nope wrong. Pirelli asked for the 2013 car and the FIA gave the green light. You cannot blame them for that

"Mercedes got away with this" What are you on about it was PIRELLI running the test not Merc!! The ones at fault are the FIA and Pirelli!!! Merc were merely invited to take part in the test.

Actually they barely had their engine ready by the start of the 2014 season look it up it was quite a shitshow

​@@matthewkenyon-wimbush6151Yeah they barely had the engine ready so that their customers jumped up the grid even with poor AERO

reliability doesn't mean performance bro and even then, the rumour was they were cruising on Lean mix [1] for entire season

2011 all teams agreed to the new hybrid rules. 2011 all teams agreed to delay the new engines from 2013 to 2014. Mercedes decided to start the engine program early and divert resources from current gen cars. Any one else could have done this, but nobody had the foresight to do. thats not mercedes fault you clown

@@troll_486 Really. I didn't know. Explain to me How many DNFs Williams as in 2014 due to power unit problems. They finished 3rd with a chassis that wouldn't even be in top 5 with same power unit. How did you jump up from the bottom half to the top half? Once other Engines caught up by 2017 they were relegated once again to the bottom half. I commend the Mercedes foresight and commitment to develop a dominant PU package for a regulation change. But they always were shady especially when it comes to Pirelli.

No caus that gives a bad reflection of the tiers, the better teams has better card for the most and can keep life in tyers better. Think how bad haas keep life in the tyers, Then pirelli Maybe think the tyers are bad. But in fact it was just the haas car

@@Erfa02 thats why it should be done with multiple teams front and back to give an accurate representation of the tiers

@@dustindkaimilroy9724 exactly

@@dustindkaimilroy9724no, it would give a skewed result. The bad characteristic of backmarker cars should not be a part of the tyre construction.

Explain their 3 year head start and I'll happily unravel whatever you can come up with. Carry on...

@@rush8481for real. That's such a nonsense line of thought. Everyone had the same insights as to which direction the FIA were going to go with new regs. Merc just tried a different design than everyone else and it worked very well. They tried the same with zero-pods and it didn't. There's no guarantee in motor racing design.

@@rush8481 Sam Bird stated on BBC Five Live that Merc were exclusively supplying sim data to the FIA in 2010, and could "steer the regulations to suit their powertrain". But I suspect you have excuse about what that doesn't count. It is commonly known that Merc had a working ICE cylinder on the dyno before the regulations were even finalised, isn't it? And that although they had to modify that design to comply with the regulations, it was actually an overall benefit in their development. And they also were continuously working with McLaren on the KERS system, and applied that data to the hybrid PU. I don't think Merc and HPP are as squeaky clean as they like to claim.

@@rush8481 where the unraveling at?

​​@@Ruylopez778You just can blame Ferrari and Renault for bottling their veto about the PU hybrid development Mercedes legally started earlier than anyone on the I4 engine regulations and hybrid v6 aswell

By what?

Were YOU watching in 2013?

Seeing as most Mercedes fans are Lewis fans that have moved over from McLaren I think most have followed the sport a lot longer than other fanbases.

Source: trust me bro

don't be weird. this is a normal day at f1.

Yea a tyre test wasnt the start of that. It was adapting to the regs better. Clearly they could have had any time and still did what they did.

1,8 million cheese burger bill because 1,8 million was used on car performance for super max who was so super he couldn't catch granpa hamilton with and downgraded w11. 8 consecutive title cope with it LOL

I'm not sure what else should Merc have done considering they were inviting by Pirelli with approval from the FIA themselves. Red Bull fans are the funniest of the lot

@@soltnpeppah2331you must be fun at parties

I missed where the FIA gave Red Bull permission to spend 1.8m before the other teams…

@@vitreo1363 they got wind tunnel testing time reduced further more for breaking the cost cap tho

Fia always protects the income. That's why they always protect the top team and Ferrari. Mainly because they buckle when Ferrari threatens to leave if it doesn't get it's way. Like Ferrari would. They need f1 more than f1 needs them

and how could they get a 3 year head start with the hybrid engine on the rest of the teams ? and what about the flexing front wing in 2020 ? etc etc

Thanks!

​​@@WeAreTheRacethere are loads of people thanking you , they get no reply , must be the €2...........

@@joineralbert2493 Obviously it's the 2 euros. You want them to reply to every single comment? Imagine that.

Tell us you didn't watch the video without telling us you didn't watch the video lol

Lmao that's blatant lies. It was Renault group and Ferrari especially Di Montezemelo who pushed it

Mercedes didn't gain any advantage from the testing. They were there to help Pirelli and the sport.

Because red bull actually broke the cost cap rules...

@@isaacm2374They clearly did gain an advantage from the test.

Comparing this insignificant tyre test to going over budget in a cost cap era, these DTS fan takes are funny

2.2mil

Bruh Mercedes was always shady

@@Md.WasiHasan mate, it was supposed to be irony

Kinda like redbull although mercedes doesnt claim they are being wronged due to British bias LOL

Pirelli chose Mercedes, not the other way around lol

@@soltnpeppah2331 how is Redbull shady? Mercedes in 2020 intoduced DAS, no one even knew about it until they saw the onboards, isn't that shady?

logistic, then the tires itself, make multiple tires for entire or half the grid need time. it already stated in the video, invite the entire teams would posponed the test by months

Ok, so they have a 1000 kilometers per yer, this is about 6 to 8 hours of driving, depending on the track, for ONE car only. Do you see the issue now? Make it 10 cars, 1 for each team (or 11, or whatever the amount was in 2013, crazy year). That years spanish gp had 66 laps, 307.024 km (190.826 miles). If you allowed 10 cars to run, they would have like 20-25 mins each.

Except 2013-2014 were completely different specs, from a wholly different engine configuration outwards. Nice try though.

For sure! Then tire management did not matter in 2014 because of the hybrid engines?? Come on. Mercedes was an amazing team with extremely capable personel and significant resources to get those regulations perfectly. But they also had some nice advantages

@@guidopetruolo7524 they didn’t test any aspect of the 2014 car. It was a 2013 car, thus very different to the following year’s car. You’re grasping at straws.

I wanted to call it out also. So in 2014 Mercedes dominated. Surely some results and data where shared to have their 2014 car built around what they learned in those tests....

Mercedes had played a rather pivotal role in helping to shape the turbo hybrid regs we saw from 2014-2016, one sketchy tire test does not make a championship dominating team.

They weren't proved to have broken any rules though. They can't be punished for something they technically didn't do?

@@JacobFBG And they punished far more for something that couldnt be proved. The 2020 PU was down roughly 60 HP or so, and it completely screwed Ferraris concept up and destroyed Hass and Alfa in the process. The 2021 Ferrari was faster at most tracks despite the reduced downforce from the cut floor, the only team to do so, and it was the same chassis

@@dylanburston7453 Well yeah in that way they were technically punished. The FIA implemented a new fuel flow sensor which made it impossible for Ferrari to continue without clearly breaking the rules. My points is that they weren't directly punished.

​@@JacobFBGAlthough the FIA didn't catch Ferrari doing anything explicitly wrong they were still very suspicious of Ferrari and had some idea of what Ferrari was doing. It's no coincidence that Ferrari immediately lost pace after the technical directive the FIA issued afterwards.

@@enzoardente4474 They definitely knew what they were doing, they just weren't able to prove it.

They were not. They were slower than Lotus and Ferrari

Vettel ☝️

F1 told Pirelli to make tyres that lasted no more than 1/3rd of the race, had heavier steel belts to aid traction (less likely to spin up under power) and have a higher optimal temperature so the compounds offered more grip and faster. Pirelli did all of those things, but also set minimum safe pressures and maximum safe camber angles, which the teams proceded to ignore completely. The end result was complete chaos and Pirelli rightly took a lot of heat for it, but I always thought the teams and FIA didn't take enough of the blame for the situation. Pirelli ultimately built the tyres they were asked to build, it was the teams that used them in a dangerous way and the FIA that didn't stop them. Since then Pirelli have been far more assertive in how the tyres were designed, built and used, to the point of minimum pressures and max camber angle being enforced in the rules now.

@@andrewa9700 Hardly, Pirelli were always updating the tire construction and Mercedes' domination was much more down to them nailing the regulations.

@@andrewa9700 becaues in case netflix didnt explain to you the following year were new regulation mostly about the engine where Mercedes excelled and redbull sucked because they re an energy drinks company who relied on renault

​@@MoptopTofer 9:45 It's like you ignore the fact the merc got an engineering report from Pirelli on that tire test. Only them... A lot easier to nail it because you have data all the other teams don't. Also if you outspend everyone by miles you're gonna build a winner. The RB and Merc teams invented the cost cap era

Didn’t win them 3 championships😂

That’s not how irony works

Nope, cause all of that is fake. All the teams knew about the regulation changes five years before they came. Mercedes just came up with a design that dominated and the rest of the grid came up with excuses, one of which ended up being that they got the engine rules 2 year prior.

its not fake, seen your bias on here before @@gauravmalltarlok5354

Short version: "I didn't watch the video, I irrationally HATE Lewis Hamilton and I have zero desire to understand the sport more than watching RBR dominate."

How about Nico Rosberg lmao

Joking aside, FIA siding with Ferrari is weird take. Because 2003 and 2005 there are some rule change to stop Ferrari domination.

I thought it was FIAMG?

@@swordsman1137 With your logic, I guess maFIA is a weird take as well because the FIA also made rule changes in 2017, 2019, and 2021 to ban some components that made Mercedes so dominant. In actual facts, any team who’s very dominant will have rule changes specifically made to stop them. But what makes both Ferrari and Mercedes being a favorite from the FIA is that they either got benefited far more than other teams whenever the rules weren’t made against them, or they got away scot free whenever they’re punished. Like what the vid showed. Ferrari and the Ferrari drivers were known to have penalty immunity like the Mercedes of today. Earliest example was the illegal use of team orders in 2010. There are countless examples from the Schumacher-Ferrari days as well

I agree. I always like good tire deg for racing in all series. Maybe not to the extremes like a Richmond, but the recent race at Kansas, or Bristol showed a good balance of Tire Deg that can bring strategy and increase potential for passing opportunities. Big difference there compared to the likes of Pocono for example, since Pocono has very little tire wear and very little passing after restarts due to dirty air and little tire offset in current regs. For F1 I think two stop or more races tend to go better because this does indicate tires will wear regardless of compound, and it does lead to more strategy potential, maybe some teams go for 1 stop tire conservation strat, maybe 3 stop aggressive strat. Maybe the type of tires they use or the order they use is more diverse throughout the field. Considering it is still difficult to follow in the current regs, having good tire wear is another variable that is part of the race which can set drivers/cars apart. It's why we have battles between Merc, Ferrari and McLaren right now because while Ferrari and McLaren seem to have the qualifying edge, Merc has better tire life and will battle them in the races more often than not. I think as long as Pirelli doesn't have a repeat of Baku 2021, I think they have a good balance of tires right now and does lead to differing strategies, and does make up for the inability to follow in dirty air.

Justice at last

Ferrari aswell

His first world title was a direct result of spygate but hey let’s not talk about that

Aim your frustrations at the FIA then, since they're responsible. And if the test is the advantage you claim it to be, the backmarkers would have leapfrogged the competition, and would have had a larger relative gain on their direct competitors.

Teams never "understood" certain elements within the FIA rulebook.. it's funny as they have highly skilled and paid legal teams to sift through regulations and clauses

@@madeovstarstuff did you watch the video? They passed it through the FIA and the FIA said they thought it was ok… that’s all the due diligence the teams need to do

lol different if it was RB though eh LH fan@@Hammertime4404

They didn’t do anything wrong lol Pirelli did

They were literally invited to do it and did it with approval from the FIA, and then checked with Charlie Whiting (who took legal advice before confirming it was OK). I'm at a loss to understand what else you think Merc should have done to check it was OK!

@@timeacott It must be disappointing for you that they didn't consider your opinion as evidence when they found that both Mercedes and Pirelli had breached the rules.

​@@LongbranchOlivettibro for real, any team would've done the same and your naive not to think so lol The FIA allowed this to happen and then got scared when shit hit the fan. They did a poor job and y'all shitting on Merc just because you have an excuse. It's a sport man, chill out

They did nothing wrong. The FIA Charlie Whiting were all aware and gave permission.

That has nothing to do with 'jornalism' 🤦‍♂️

And they call Red Bull the ' cost cap champions ' . I think they need to think again about that

And yet RB still won though.

they had permission

@@window469wow3*qualified permission and those qualifications were not met.

​@@window469wow3I think you're supposed to have cars 2 years old like they mentioned about ferrari. Current car testing is illegal