Street Photography Part 3

Street Photography Part 3 - Candid

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11 жыл бұрын

With Jayne filming me as I talk to the camera - I'm hardly inconspicuous as I shoot candid photos of people on the market. This is the bit most photographers new to the genre often find hardest so in this video I'm going to show you how I go about it.
When shooting candid street photography I suggest taking a friend along. It's great to have someone to hold a spare camera body or lens - but you might find having someone with you builds your confidence. Occasionally I've had people come and ask what I'm photographing or why I'm photographing them - but not in a threatening way. Just be honest and up front about what you're doing, and send them some photos maybe.
A buddy can also be handy in helping you achieve some great people pics - check out the video and see what I mean.
Light is as important as ever so keep your eyes peeled for places where there's some good light for people photography - then wait for something to happen in it. If you need help with finding good light we've got loads of free lighting tutorials - suggest you begin with www.photographycourses.biz/goo...
I think photographing people unawares is an integral part of street photography. If you're into people watching it's probably the ultimate.

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@MikeBrowne 11 жыл бұрын

Thank you miranda - appreciate you helping us spread the word too :-)

@michaelabrandon 8 жыл бұрын

you are such a nice Englishman ..you represent the best of British friendliness and humour ..thank you I am learning heaps from you having just discovered you and my new Sony a6000...:)

@MikeBrowne 8 жыл бұрын

Thank you +Michaela michaela we are delighted! please share our vids too so we can make more free video - Melissa pp Mike

@MikeBrowne 11 жыл бұрын

Thank you Mikael. I don't usually give specifics because the correct ISO is the one that is correct for the situation you are in at the time. If you set the same ISO as me chances are it won't work because the light will be different. However lots of you have asked me to include more of this kind of info and it's starting to go into the films we make moving forward... :-)

@lucia.marginean 8 жыл бұрын

Your videos are so addictive! :) Very cool, practical tips! Thanks, Mike!

@MikeBrowne 8 жыл бұрын

You are very welcome as always +cindyincidentally - MIKE :-)

@rorycampbell7360 9 жыл бұрын

That's made things a lot clearer for me. Once again, a non pretentious presentation, clear and concise with out an over inflated ego or Fro. Thanks for your advice.

@MarlonVanderLinde 7 жыл бұрын

Glad you said Fro, know what you mean, I agree. This is nice and humble. Mike does not thrive on school girl attention, so his videos are valuable.

@satvindersingh5661 8 жыл бұрын

Very informative. Loved the series. Thanks for the videos Mike. Great way to learn,

@siamaketezadi3281 10 жыл бұрын

Excellent. Learned quiet a lot while enjoying it. Thanks

@MikeBrowne 10 жыл бұрын

Thank you Siamak Etezadi

@mike309saa 7 жыл бұрын

Was at Hopton on Sea yesterday as my mum and gran are staying there for the week and I figured I'll go with dad to them as it'll be a great place to take my camera. Where the caravan was, it's fairly close to the cliff edge and is always someone walking past. Was some great shots I could mentally envision but was so worried of confrontation. I did get a good shot of a dog walking down with a tennis ball in it's mouth though. The owner was a little way behind the dog so didn't see me take a shot lol. Also is no knowing who will have an issue and who won't. Great video as always Mike!

@MikeBrowne 11 жыл бұрын

I agree - photography isn't about any DSLR camera. Virtually all my personal favorite images I took on my phone. And phones are perfect for street photos. However most of the people who watch our vids are DSLR users and we make films about whatever they ask us to. Going to be making more soon which won't have a DSLR in sight.

@MikeBrowne 11 жыл бұрын

Thank you. It can be pretty scary at first and some people do not want their photo taken. You should always be careful and respectful. Have a look at parts 1 and 2 for ideas to help you get going. BTW - it might be easier to find your way around our vids if you watch them on our site. There's a link on our channel page. - Mike

@jazzsharmi 9 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mike for the great video. It is a great learning experience from your tutorials. I agree with others in that it is sometimes difficult to take photographs of people in India as well. However, I find it easier to take photographs of people at fairs, like hawkers selling goods, or cooking something. They do not oppose. I particularly like taking photographs of little kids in the mountain villages here. They are extremely sweet and always up for posing.

@MikeBrowne 11 жыл бұрын

It's a good exercise in being creative with your composition because you can't zoom, but any lens that gets you a great image is perfect. It's not the lens that takes the photo - it's the photographer's ability to work with whatever they have. I've seen some awesome street photography taken on a phone. Whatever you have will be perfect...

@andyandhelenlouch1910 3 жыл бұрын

Really enjoyed these 3 films. Some brilliant ideas and must overcome my 'reticence' when photting strangers doing what folk do! Thanks. Andy

@jimnewland3335 10 жыл бұрын

For this grumpy old man it was informative and made me smile to boot. I liked all the street photography videos, thank you Mike.

@MikeBrowne 10 жыл бұрын

No worries Jim Newland - thats from one grumpy old man to another ;-)

@tonytarquinio6439 3 жыл бұрын

A very well executed, comprehensive and helpful video/tutorial. Typical British warmth and receptiveness. You folks have the best sense of humor in the world. Had the privilege of spending quite a bit of time in the U.K., and have many fond memories. Thanks again mate. :) Tony

@asianboy8969 6 жыл бұрын

I have been watching your videos for over a week now and I thought I had subscribed to you after the second or third video that I saw. I just realized I wasn’t subscribed yet, I am subscribing now.

@MikeBrowne 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you asianboy8969. Happy you like my vids. I’m delighted they are helping. Please help me make more of them by sharing them with other photographers on forums etc. ... MIKE

@MikeBrowne 11 жыл бұрын

Hi - The long lens is an f2.8 70-200mm full frame used on a DX sensor so it's about 275mm equivalent. - Mike

@MikeBrowne 11 жыл бұрын

Hi Kat. Thank you. In the UK i don't have to get them to sign releases if they are in a public place and I'm not selling the image to be used commercially as in adverts etc. I believe there are privacy laws in the US and maybe other countries too which it might be worth checking out depending on where you live.

@frazhassan 11 жыл бұрын

@ 03:52..... awesome shot....I am totally in love with it....Great video, great tips, and a lovely interactive lesson in terms of public dealing.... Many thanks for being there for us... Hats off...

@2212ajit 9 жыл бұрын

Thank you Mike for this... I will use your tips for my candid shots. I always wondered about these candid kinda shots.. how to go about? what to lookout for? your video just gave me that information. thank you once again. I am regularly following your videos since quite some time

@MikeBrowne 11 жыл бұрын

Great idea

@MikeBrowne 10 жыл бұрын

Some shots I took for this series were taken at 50mm. I prefer to choose a focal length to achieve a look I want rather than restrict myself to just one. There's nothing wrong with only using a 50mm. Actually it's a great creative exercise in making the photographer find images which work for that length.

@oc2phish07 4 жыл бұрын

Ageless videos Mike. Entertaining, educational and fun. And DEFINITELY helping me through the long days of Lockdown here in March 2020.

@MikeBrowne 4 жыл бұрын

Keep an eye on my channel over the next few days - I have some contigency plans to keep you out of mischief!

@onenarrowdoor 10 жыл бұрын

09:56 "Ah, what nice ladies" 09:58 "That's cool look, LOOK!" - You just captured right there what it is to go out and film people: Engaging, unobtrusive, a little bit cheeky sometimes, thankful, yet always alert to getting that shot.

@TheBiggervern 11 жыл бұрын

Really enjoyed the whole Street Photography series. I'll give it a go now.

@MikeBrowne 11 жыл бұрын

My pleasure:)

@angeatgr 10 жыл бұрын

Very very good videos, I'm come from Paris and I'm living in Cardiff now so the street photography in UK it's much easier than in France, people are nice and they don't care as long as you don't look strange. The wide angle is the perfect lens for this type of photo or a 35mm, keep going, I share, like and everything.

@MikeBrowne 11 жыл бұрын

My pleasure, thanks:-)

@MikeBrowne 11 жыл бұрын

Thank you - good point

@TudnoTelly 8 жыл бұрын

I love your videos Mike. I watched the 50mm challenge yesterday morning and went out in the evening with my camera. Inspiring stuff. Thanks for making the videos

@MikeBrowne 8 жыл бұрын

Thanks +Tudno TV and big thumbs up for getting out to practise.. MIKE :-)

@MikeBrowne 11 жыл бұрын

I notice a lot of comments saying it's the wrong lens for SP. I don't think there's a 'right' lens for any photography. All lenses give different characteristics to an image so I recomend using the lens that gives you the characteristics you want to achieve in the photo you're taking. If you achieved what you wanted then you used the right lens for you at that time.

@MikeBrowne 11 жыл бұрын

My pleasure:-)

@honeytink1 11 жыл бұрын

love these tutorials will be posting them in my little amateur photography group :)

@monotone9408 7 жыл бұрын

I live in America, and after the 2016 election I really wish I lived in the uk. I've visited multiple times and I love it, it's the best

@mdjmurray 5 жыл бұрын

Interesting to read this now, in 2019. Do you still feel this way?? We have Brexit to contend with over here. I’m not sure which is worse to be honest!

@MikeBrowne 11 жыл бұрын

Thank you Julian

@MikeBrowne 11 жыл бұрын

Hey Thanks Julian. That's really kind of you and i truly appreciate it.

@solomioist 3 жыл бұрын

The last scene is like a zoo: Look, look, they are moving. That's brilliant =D

@ABDULLAHAAK1 11 жыл бұрын

best vid abut Street Photography I have ever seen.. thanks ,man

@Entrapturing 10 жыл бұрын

I LOVED this video.

@distractededitor7538 9 жыл бұрын

4:47 made me laugh.

@northernrider780 5 жыл бұрын

Same here, but at least the people coming out were trying to be as respectful as possible :)

@HyperInstinctzHD 10 жыл бұрын

I love your videos man! Your so inspiring...I want to be like you one day.

@RayneArt 11 жыл бұрын

This made me feel like I was out there with you taking photos. Great video. Thank you for making these.

@kaleb_airgunner 11 жыл бұрын

I always set up my cam to continous shooting mode for street photography. Great vid mike!

@MikeBrowne 11 жыл бұрын

Thank you - do you have a link to the video or please can you post one here as a video response.

@MikeBrowne 10 жыл бұрын

COOL! Thank you

@Kiichifilms 11 жыл бұрын

Mike, your channel has truly inspired me and helped me out tremendously in the field of photography! I just wanna say thanks for all the tips and techniques you shared, I've passed on your channel to many off my photography friends(: great video as all ways, keep it up!! from you friend -Julian

@petermoel2 10 жыл бұрын

Just watched all the parts - great stuff!

@MikeBrowne 11 жыл бұрын

I Like to get out whenever I can - Mike

@MikesVoyagesAndDrives 9 жыл бұрын

Great video, I like it a lot. Looks like people in Britain are quite relaxed when they recognize getting photographed. That's different here in Switzerland or Germany. I don't know how the legal situation is in Britain, but German law says, that you have to sign a model contract with every person who can be identified on your pictures. That means: Every person whose face is identifiable. That's a ridiculous law, but since people got more and more familiar with this law, it's much more difficult to shoot on the street. I love situations like you showed them in your video, on flea markets or similar places. Regards from Switzerland.

@MikeBrowne 9 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mike Flick - In UK you can shoot pics without a release form provided you don't sell them. Most folks are ok in situations like markets and street performers, not quite as relaxed on the city streets though.

@eyeshowyou 6 жыл бұрын

Michael Flick Photography law that you cannot photograph people in the street....how borring....no photos anymore to show next generations...how it was. Governments are nuts. Kick them all out

@Aciimov 5 жыл бұрын

How about shooting for the local news? Or when the nature disaster happen in there, do the forographers (and/or) videographers need to pay these ppl that they were shooted?

@todorkumenov8078 8 жыл бұрын

great one, 6:50 educated me how often great moments are not at the direction we looking at

@lenshoodglass6572 11 жыл бұрын

ur video really,really inspired me...hope 1 day i would come street photographer....keep it up mike...

@MikeBrowne 11 жыл бұрын

Thank you Robert. I've just set up a workshop in Switzerland with the help of one of my followers who lives there - and I'm up for doing more in other countries. If you'd be interested in helping me set something up in the States please drop me a line via our website..

@Rambleswithmycameraonyoutube 8 жыл бұрын

I am really enjoying your vibe and videos Mike. I personally am not into taking such a huge lens doing street as I prefer getting closer BUT I accept if it gets you the shot your looking then that is all that matters man, I think the big lens and two cameras make you look like a Press photographer or a snooper from the Tax haha which will always draw negative attention :-) Sending Love from Ireland - Sean

@MikeBrowne 8 жыл бұрын

thank you +Rambles with my camera - Melissa pp Mike :)

@MikeBrowne 11 жыл бұрын

Hi pelagiamusic - I agree with everything PSGrafixTV said. Personally I don't like using the LCD on any camera and prefer the optical viewfinder. Also on my cameras I can't shoot an image from Live View mode. I only use it for checking compositions when shooting commercial interiors. That doesn't mean it's wrong to use it - but what PSGrafixTV said about camera stablilty is certainly an issue when holding the camera at arms length. - Mike

@djspl51bw 11 жыл бұрын

Love your videos,you make it look like taking photos is the best thing in the world.I love candid shots and this video is just so enjoyable to watch.Im pretty awful at talking to people,so candids are a great option for me.Dont know if you can answer this or not,but as a pretty shy person is there an easy way to ask for permission to take photos of people in public.Candids are brilliant but sometimes ive really wanted to ask a mother for a few shots of her kid for example,but too scared.

@MikeBrowne 10 жыл бұрын

Thanks. To get to our Facebook page click the pic of me next to this post to get to our channel page. There’s a little Facebook icon in the banner at the top.

@MikeBrowne 11 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@MikeBrowne 11 жыл бұрын

Yes almost - Mike :-)

@MikeBrowne 11 жыл бұрын

I don't know exactly what the privacy laws in the US are on this so sorry you'd have to ask someone who would know like a professional photographic organisation legal department. To be honest its rare I shoot street photography except for myself usually when I'm travelling. These were done only for the tutorials it wasn't a job, and if I were to sell these images for advertising etc then in the UK I'd need to have release forms signed by the people in them.

@quatie 8 жыл бұрын

I sold me DSLR for the Fuji x100, now I wish I had kept it and used both

@repairdrive 11 жыл бұрын

Great video guys.

@Yoko.Kurama 6 жыл бұрын

Nice to see some street photos in color

@Yoko.Kurama 6 жыл бұрын

It seems like street is mostly in black& white. Do you know why?

@MikeBrowne 10 жыл бұрын

Thank you petermoel2. Please help us spread the word and grow the community by 'liking' 'G+ing', sharing our videos and linking to us on photo forums, Facebook etc

@MikeBrowne 11 жыл бұрын

Why thank you madam (he said in best British accent) If the images are to be sold via a library or as art prints etc then a model release must be signed and whatever payment is agreed entered onto it, that could be some image files, a percentage of earnings, a fee... Just make sure you agree and sign something with identifiable people in the image. Especially as you're in the US because you guys love a court room ;-)

@MikeBrowne 10 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@MikeBrowne 10 жыл бұрын

Lenses are pretty tough. I've only damaged the glass of a lens once when i knocked it off a tripod glass down onto a gravel road.

@SimonChambers 11 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I'll keep that in mind!

@MikaelMadsen 11 жыл бұрын

You are of course right. Thanks Mr. Brown =)

@Pezby69 11 жыл бұрын

You have a very "Care Bear" face..Very trustworthy Thankyou for the inspiration :)

@msteen1314 11 жыл бұрын

Enjoyed the video Mike. I'm surprised how many negative comments there are considering the brevity of the video. I think the point you make at the end, where you say that after a day out, if you get 3 good shots you're doing pretty good, hits the mark. Some might consider the use of a telephoto breaks some unwritten rule in SP but to me, street photography is not about being in the subjects face all the time and then trying to skillfully avoid confrontation, but rather to catch a moment. Thanks

@Barnesy95 11 жыл бұрын

its alot easier to focus and see what you are taking photos of(especially outdoors in sun), and it also helps save alot of battery instead of having the LCD on all the time displaying a constant video of what the camera is seeing. it can also help keep the camera more stable when taking shots due to the way we hold the camera up to our face. i also find that it tends to help me concentrate more on what im photographing because there are no other distractions.

@LeftRight1511 9 жыл бұрын

A great series of videos! Street photography is something I want to play with more, being up in York and this particular set of videos was very helpful. Any particular advice for someone who only has normal length lenses (for example, I've only got 18-55mm and a 50mm prime)?

@MikeBrowne 9 жыл бұрын

Thank you LeftRight92 You can only work the kind of images which suite the focal lengths you have which means being fairly close to the action.

@nick8292 5 жыл бұрын

Nice one, Mike

@linusnguyen727 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for exhibiting patience in capturing the right shot, waiting for the shot to come to you. I love the engagement. Question: As I begin to develop this particular craft, which lens should I start with that would help me practice? I have a Canon 80D (cropped sensor), with choices of either my 18mm-135mm, 24mm prime, or 50mm prime. I'm curious for your recommendation of which lens to use in order to make best use of my practicing. Thank you for any insight you will provide.

@MikeBrowne 5 жыл бұрын

Hey thanks @Linus Nguyen. These days I rarely use anything more than an 18-55mm. .. MIKE

@Giocattolo88 11 жыл бұрын

Mike you are good person!

@carolwatts944 11 жыл бұрын

Hi Michael. LOVE all your teaching videos (& of course, being American, I also love you accent! ...Grin). What do you do if you want to publish/sell some of your street photos? Do you carry Model Releases around w/you, or is just offering to send them jpgs usually good enough?

@pilarlacasa 10 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I was discussing with my students!!

@crazydave53 10 жыл бұрын

Great video and loads of good hints, mind you - you missed a good one at 6:50 looked like the girl from Nero's had give one of the buskers a coffee and he returned it with a hug

@MikeBrowne 10 жыл бұрын

Thanks Dave Emmerson - yes I did miss that. Thinking about filming etc... It's always best to do this on your own so you can concentrate..

@paddyryan9699 11 жыл бұрын

You need to look at parts 1 & 2 of this series where the photographer makes exactly that point ... and uses a 10-20 mm lens. This is the third part where the rapport with the people and place have been established.

@craftwerkman 11 жыл бұрын

Fantastic stuff Mike, and really educational. Thank a lot for all these videos, they are a pleasure to watch. (btw, you could play King Theoden - Lord of the Rings - at a younger age :-)

@robertbaumhover9458 11 жыл бұрын

I hope you get to the states sometime, mid west area. I live in Iowa, but would travel to Chicago if you ever get there. Would love to attend a workshop of yours.

@TheOnlysaya 10 жыл бұрын

hi mike, need your advise which priority you used for taking street photograpy, apeture or speed.. thanks for all your tutorial. it's very clear and useful for us.. if possible for your next video you put also the detail of apeture, iso and speed.

@shirleyfairclough9601 10 жыл бұрын

Really enjoyable-lot to learn Thanks ShirfairWA

@dirkchristeaens7131 11 жыл бұрын

I really enjoy these series and would love to see you do another video like this, but using 35 (or 50mm) prime :)

@omaroji 8 жыл бұрын

Great series about street photography, man! I always like street photography. I think the risk of getting punch in the face makes it way more fun (in Indonesia it sure can happen). And to make it more difficult, I only use 50mm lens (because I don't have other lenses :( thinking 'bout buying another tho) and have to be creative with the angle and the length every time I take the photograph at the right moment. Is it 50mm alone is enough? Or any advice for the next lens to buy?

@MikeBrowne 8 жыл бұрын

Thank you +omaroji I've done lots of street / people photography in Asia and never had a problem Though I haven't been to Indonesia yet.. 50mm is a good length because it has a nice natural look to it. I can't recommend another lens because I don't know what you want to do with it, but if you cover from 18-200mm you've got pretty much everything covered - MIKE

@omaroji 8 жыл бұрын

+Mike Browne I'm sure you won't have a problem here. We're always nice to foreigner. But not really to other Indonesians. :))) I always want to do street. Maybe I'll get the 18-200 later. Because I wanna stick to 50mm for a 'lil while, after I watched your video about exercising with 50mm. Haha. Thanks a lot!

@karenmopani3974 5 жыл бұрын

Mike,, thank you for your content I am enjoying it. One reason for me shying away from candid street shots or even when they are happy to have their photos taken is the requirement for releases. How is that handled? Thank you in advance

@MikeBrowne 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Karen. Happy to help... In the UK releases are only needed if the image is to be sold commercially. It varies according to the laws in each country. I love shooting in Asia because no one mids at all and releases are non existent... MIKE

@My-Opinion-Doesnt-Matter 6 жыл бұрын

You're so stealth with all that gear ^^

@MikeBrowne 6 жыл бұрын

Ha ha. I'd never normally use all that Ja sam - or be followed about by someone carrying a big video camera with a fluffy mic on it in real life... MIKE

@MikaelMadsen 11 жыл бұрын

As always a good and learning video. Thanks. If I have to mention something it would be that in many of your videos when you use manual ISO you just say high or low ISO. Please try and mention what ISO you use, it would help a lot. Thanks Mike for your videos.

@danielwong9240 9 жыл бұрын

Mike, I love your video. My friend suggests me to shoot street photography with 80mm/2.8, it will give me same image in the frame, with similar depth of field if I use a bigger aperture ( vs here you are using smaller aperture like 5.6 or higher with your 200mm to give you small dof, right?), and I can have a slower shutter speed to avoid hand shake, but I need to get closer to your subject to give it same image in the frame. Is that right and what other difference of 80mm/2.8 vs 200mm/with smaller aperture ?

@MikeBrowne 9 жыл бұрын

Thanks Daniel Wong - I'm sorry that's a massive question which is too long to answer here. Have a look at my lenses videos and over the course of them you'll understand what the implications are. They'll depend on where and how you're working, how much space you have and many other things. www.photographycourses.biz/camera_lenses1.html

@artfret 10 жыл бұрын

Thanks mike

@MikeBrowne 11 жыл бұрын

Pleasure

@PDdiving 11 жыл бұрын

Hello guys, I enjoyed your series on street photography. Which Nikon DX camera were you using? I currently shoot with a D90... Great camera! I try to purchase good glass in the FX format, so when I finally purchase my next body I can go full frame!

@Edmontonrob 10 жыл бұрын

Great stuff. I'm also "terrified" of street photography. I worry that people think i'm a creepy old pervert, so oft times i just end up having had a nice little walk lol

@MikeBrowne 10 жыл бұрын

I think a lot of photographers know that feeling Robert Curtis If you're worried try speaking to people first and ease yourself in gently. Most folks are nicer than we give them credit for..

@MikeBrowne 10 жыл бұрын

It may do ***** but it could be what you interpret as the 'evil eye' from passers by could just be simple curiosity.

@MikeBrowne 11 жыл бұрын

Sorry I missed your post - I'm using single point AF

@pelagiamusic 11 жыл бұрын

This may be an 'noob' question, but is there a reason, other than maybe the sun/glare, to use the viewfinder like you do instead of the LCD screen? I tend to rely on the LCD to more comfortably compose my shot and also it allows me to see the exposure adjust in the preview. Thanks!

@tonytarquinio6439 3 жыл бұрын

Hello again Mike. I have noticed in your work that you use several different brands of gear, i.e., Nikon, Sony and Fujifilm. Which is truly your favorite? Also, how do you determine your favorite? Is it comfort and ergonomics, the lenses that are available or simply, Image Quality? I imagine at your professional level, the latter is probably true. Thanks for the great work and info. In addition as an amateur enthusiast I have used many different brands and seem to have found a home with Canon. Just my own personal preference. Thanks again Mate. Cheers, Tony :)

@MrRonalds77 10 жыл бұрын

very nice vids m8,thanx ;)

@MikeBrowne 10 жыл бұрын

:-) Ronalds B

@sitikanthasarangi 11 жыл бұрын

great video Mike.... i also practice street photography and i can say one thing u ve really done a good job here though u missed a very good shot at 6:50 the guys to ur left..... but i can feel that moment; u simply can not loose ur concentration up ur subject; even though something very interesting happening right next to u..... thus we always miss lots of good moments..... that is street photography..... u can not say this is going to happen.... requires lots of concentration and patience.....

@LinusForss 10 жыл бұрын

Hmm Mike, I thought you went for basic equipment to show that you don't need the best to get the shoot. Ain't the 70-200 f2.8 a bit high degree for that?

@MikeBrowne 10 жыл бұрын

you can use anything Linus Forss - for street stuff I prefer not to use a DSLR at all but as most people who follow the channel use them I did in this vid. I used the 2.8 because it was in the bag at the time actually...