I love the Tokarev. I have shot and chronographed a lot of different ammo. I have found the Czech is hotter and the TT pistol will handle it all with ease. Nice video 👍

So it's within specs and the most consistent.

I ran some Russian surplus (made in 1947) over the chronograph and it averaged 1482 fps from my TT33 pistol, Norinco commercial stuff averaged1472 fps. So that Czech ammo does not seem all that high speed by comparison.

There was also the Fudd lore that the CZ52 was built super strong to handle this rumored super hot ammo, and that it could take way hotter ammo than a standard Tokarev design....well a guy (Clark Magnuson) wrote about how he did overload testing on multiples of each of Tokarevs, CZ52s, and Broomhandle mausers using 7.62x25 of increasing over-pressure. The CZ52's all failed before the Broomhandle Mausers even though they are designed for a weaker cartridge. The Tokarev clones were the strongest by far. The failure point on the CZ52 is the thin area of the barrel above the roller lock mechanism, failed there every time. This was with intentionally over-loaded ammo though, not any commercial or milsurp loads. I thought the Fudd lore about Czech 7.62x25 wasn't that it was all super high pressure, it was supposedly a separate loading for submachine guns only. But I have never seen proof it exists and every test I have seen was this stuff that was maybe a tad hotter than others, but not any amount that would risk any 7.62x25 gun failing. I guarantee a Chinese Tokarev will handle anything a Russian, Polish, Yugo, or Romanian Tokarev will. I have gotten higher velocities out of S&B commercial ammo than that Czech milsurp in this test. I would have to go dig out my logbook but I know it was well above 1400 fps. EDIT> Grabbed my book. I was getting 1650 fps out of handguns with the S&B. Ed Harris says he clocked it as high as 1699fps in his CZ52 My CZ52 and Romanian, Polish, and Yugo Tokarevs have all eaten a ton of S&B 7.62x25 with no problem. So if this magic super Czech ammo exists, it must be well above 1650 fps. I think it's all BS

I've seen tons of situations exactly like this, including with Turk ammo. I like that 8mm muaser man did his own testing on it, really helped disprove a lot of nonsense.

I didn't chrono it, but years ago, I had a couple of boxes of czech 7.62x25. This stuff was steel cased and came packed on stripper clips. The rounds felt really hot and they were steel core. The sparking against the range backstop was noticeable and set off a residual powder fire for about 30 seconds. about 25% of the cases had a split at the case mouth. I believe this ammo was made for their sub guns.

Years back when I had a CZ 52, I was warned that the Bulgarian 7.62 X 25 was the bad over pressure ammo. And to avoid it use in the 52. Some of the Czech military stuff has a steel core, (sintered iron?) and is prohibited from import and commercial sale by the feds. It's packed on steel stripper clips, to be used by the magazine loader mounted on the forearm of the Czech sub guns.

The Yugo is steel jacket, so not indoor range friendly. They have corrosive primers. It's good ammo. It's like comparing NATO 9mm to range 9mm.

Never had any issues even in cz52

Hey Hobo thx for showing.. storage will have a small effect on the velocity.

🇦🇺😎👍Great velocities 🏁

I bought several wood crates of Tok rnds several years back. Recently I opened one and have found several rounds that the necks were split and of course the bullet was loose enough to just wiggle out. I do know out of a TT they are pretty snappy ,and eject way high. But i mostly got them for my Ppsh 41 and 43. They are great for them. Pretty hot stuff though. Im not sure if over time they get hotter. IDK.

I'm a simple man - I see a well made ammo video and I click like. Are all the bullets the same weight? Regardless, I really enjoyed this video. Thanks!

What year was the czech ammo made. I had a few boxes of czech sub gun ammo made in 1948 that worked fine in the cz 52. It was a bit hot for my Yugo 57 only tryed on mag full.

لدي ذخيرة تشيكية صنعت عام 1953 لدي كميات هائلة انا من اليمن واريد نصيحتك.

The Czech ammo on stripper clips appears to be for submachineguns. It's on clips to load SMG mags. I have no idea if they also used the same ammo in the CZ-52. I would assume so. Just have to take it off the clips. All my 7.62X25 pistols prefer the Chinese ammo. It shoots very smooth, for lack of a better term. I did have a CZ-52 blow up with the "Bad Bulgarian" ammo Century imported. Discovered that about 1/3rd of the projectiles were seriously deformed when crimped into the case. The mushroomed bases on the deformed projectiles may have caused significantly higher pressures

maybe due to bullet weights difference ?

What you showed only holds true for those specific lots of ammo. Did you break down any of the projectiles to see if they were steel core or not. Some of the czech but not all came with hardened steel cores. but of course you are showing real data and that is worth a lot.

Gotta look now in my basement think I still have a couple spam cans left.......This was dirt cheap.... Not Now...... be well.

for yugo it ays for pistol and smg.... so its standard pressure. If the box sais za automat ( for smg) it would be a lot hotter.

Have you tried the ppu it's suppose to be pretty fast

Those are corrosive you better clean the bore

Try newer Czech ammo