Having seen an enjoyable 1 and 2 of a trilogy will itch my need to be a completionist unless critics I resonate with will encourage me to avoid it. What is on my list to see is Deadpool 3, and Guardians 3. Thenceforth I become Martin Scorsese.

Never really heard of it.

I still want to see it. Just not too excited about it.

No, from my initial reaction I thought Elemental looked very subpar I actually thought it was a Pixar short and that's where it should have stayed.

Yes, absolutely. Though reading the plot summary on wikipedia is also helpful. Yes, I like to know spoilers. :D

Right. They were more separate back then.

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It doesn’t matter politically what you believe, we don’t go to movies to be yelled at by either political aisle, because it isn’t fun. Disney needs to make movies that are fun and enjoyable and touch on topics that are interesting and important.

I read that after Monsters Inc, Disney was planning on parting ways with Pixar and Finding Nemo would have been the last Disney distributed Pixar film. When that became a huge box office success and the 2nd biggest hit of 2003 after Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, Disney changed their minds about letting Pixar go.

Haha, judging from Marvel and Lucas doing the same stuff, I have to agree

Agreed Pixar is suffering the same issues as Disney not only would you need new management, but also sort through personnel. It's from the top going down changes.

@LTNetjak @LTNetjak Well, then they're doing "princess oriented" really poorly. Like Owen has mentioned in at least one or two other videos now, they're trying to appeal to women as if we have the same exact ambitions and fantasies as men. While not necessarily inaccurate across the board, most women don't find the power dynamic portrayed in Marvel and Star Wars movies as of late as very compelling. Tangled was good because even though one might not be able to relate to being locked in a tower by a selfish old woman, we can relate to Rapunzel's desires, hopes, and dreams. And that concept certainly isn't tired to the concept of a romance anything, though it is an easy vehicle with which to present the concept.

@@BornofBlackandWhite Yeah, I don't remember the last time Disney did a good princess movie with a good romance for the main character.

Didn't the 2 main characters at the end get together? It's been a while since I saw the movie so I could be wrong though.

@@kartoitska8944 It was heavily implied by the ending's dialogue, but the powers that be have never actually confirmed if Nick and Judy are a legit couple or were just teasing each other.

@@draconusfrigidus I just rewatched the end scene and to me it looks a little more then just implied, but it's indeed not confirmed. (Judging by the facial expressions of Judy in the briefing scene and by the dialoge in the car scene you mentioned) But I guess we will find out once zootopia 2 finally releases

@@kartoitska8944 If they don't get together there is going to be an awful lot of fan fiction fans that are going to be really disapointed.

@@frednone Hahahaha, that for sure. Some people are down bad fr

That Variety review said they have so many things happening at once, but none of it lands. Sounds awful

The entire plot was leaked via a children's book in one of Disney's channels. There's no villain, the parents are the antagonists as usual.

When I saw the first trailer I instantly assumed it was a ham fisted allegory for mixed race couples. I assume their child will be SUPERIOR due to its mixed heritage.

Oh wow I've forgotten about Flight of the Navigator! Loved it when I was little! Thanks for the reminder!

What is ESG?

@@OscarMPG1 esg is Environmental, Social and Governance behaviors and policies that companies report and they get scored. Like, emissions reduction, climate change programs, diversity and inclusion hiring policies. Some people will actually refuse to buy or invest in a company if it doesn't have a good score.

@@katyty1496 that as a system actually isnt a bad idea in practice to, usually a good score *would* imply a good company, with a good standing, good morals, etc... but the majority of companies that appear to appease this system the most also seem to be the worst of the worst, and are just to big to fail.

​@@fusionwing4208 yeah, it's like the anecdote about trying to get rid of cobras paying for each killed snake. the idea is to get rid of cobras, but crafty people took to breeding them instead. (and when the program ended, they released the remaining cobras into the wild...) the lesson is, if there's a score, someone will be trying to game it.

I need someone to make this as a parody.

"We're ice cream people, we don't associate with molten chocolate cake people!"

Dessertopia?

You better copy write that idea. Disney is desperate these days.

@@toweypat That unfortunately remembers of that cringy animated ice cream segment from Bill Nye Saves the World.

What's odd is the redundancy between them. Like you said, those movies could have come from either place. Tangled has a very Pixar feel. What is even the point of having two studios?

@@gregowen2022 And I _loved_ Tangled and absolutely abhorred Frozen. Yeah, it's like the spark got spread out between the two and became lesser for it.

I worked there for a while, all the stories I heard were about Pixar trying to keep Disney’s claws off of the studio. Once JL was gone there was no holding them back. Incredibles 2 was almost done and Onward was a lot closer to completion when JL left, which is probably why they feel more like Pixar.

Ralph It-Wreck was an interesting movie.

That is adorable and hilarious to me. The squirrels at UH were fearless; they would definitely find a way to enroll lol

@@MVPMVE I would love to watch an animated movie about college squirrels. College squirrels are nuts. I saw one fat squirrel trying to take a half eaten pizza slice up a tree. It wasn’t one of those small slices that you get a Pizza Hut or Dominoes. It was a New York style pizza slice. I also been jumped by a squirrel taking a snooze in a garbage can outside the library while trying to throw something out.

I had a lab instructor who told us stories of how squirrels got into the lab when the windows were left open.

That's just ratatouille

@@hilosky more like alvin and the chipmunks 2

Yes, but more fantasy. Like the elements be more separate. Why are they living together?

Diversity and inclusion doesn't work, that's why there's fences and borders 🏡

@jenniferhanses Yeah as it is, this doesn't work because the cause of accidental deaths by opposing element is a valid reason to not mix. It'd make more sense if this world were more like Avatar The Last Air Bender/Legend of Korra in that you had living beings who manipulate natural elements. And they don't have be humans either, as they could be elves, or they could've been fairies loosely based off of Tinkerbell. At least this way the prejudice could make more sense as fire fairies or elves could be seen as destructive because of their rash behavior and short temperment. The water fairies/elves could be seen as too passive as they just go with the flow of life. The air elves/fairies could be seen as too loose and care free as they are shown being too light hearted and playful, and Earth elves/fairies could be seen as too rigid and simple minded, or dumb if you prefer. This way when two elemental elves/fairies fall in love the premise can be justified as you can have statistics that show that one's element coincides with their personalities, which could reinforce the prejudices as statics has been used to do in reality. And the lovers can defy those prejudices by learning from each other and showing that such being don't have to be limited by preconceived notions. BTW, I came up with this off the top of my head in 23 minutes in typing this. The guy who made Elemental has no excuse unless it was an executive mandate to keep the premise simple for kids to understand. Which even if tweaked a bit more shouldn't be hard to do.

@@DemonicRemption I agree that your idea could work if that was the general sort of story they wanted to tell. With the raw elements, you could also have fire facing a united front of the others, as it's really fire in the middle that is dangerous/vulnerable. Wood, air, and water could probably co-exist. Potentially you get a complicated story there of wanting to find a way to co-exist with the fire race, but there's no easy answers. A story where they're not bad people, but sometimes things are complicated. But I'm not sure that story would go over well either, as again, it's ultimately preaching separate but equal because the problem cannot be solved.

@@DemonicRemption A continued part of this example is also finding love in differences. The ambition and energy of fire. The fluidity and cooperativeness of water. The aloofness yet comforting air. The reliability of earth. None of these elements are truly dangerous or 'evil'. Even fire has an important role to play. But the elementals are, by their very nature, doomed to struggle. Fire will always clash with water, for that is how their universes rules demand those elements interact.

It could have been an interesting idea to make the elements more tribal in their lifestyles, because they know they don’t mesh for obvious reasons, and then “plot” happens where Fire and Water want to solve a problem and realize that the only way they can succeed is together. Then they have to figure out how to navigate that problematic realization “how to work together when they could easily destroy the other?” Can they succeed? Will they succeed? 🤷‍♀ It’s an interesting creative exercise.

I know right? Where’s the creativity and distinct styles? It all just looks like Wallace and Grommet. To me it’s lazy.

Bruh turning red and soul have completely different artstyles

@@janfiloute_the_noob4045 I said they look too much alike, not that they are the same

@@vexvega5225 i still find them really different. Ok, the chara design in Soul are pretty cartoonish, but not as much as turning red, where the faces are very round and very exagerated animation and expression. Plus Soul has a very photorealistic look(which makes a contrast with the soul World), while TR is very cartoonish during all the movie. Like, TR has even some light anime influences, with the color palette for example. The goals are very differents in those movies. Also, why when Pixar makes 2 or 3 movies with a similar artstyle, people love to complain, but when Ghibli adopts the same face syndrome with almost all of their movies, no one complains???? Sorry if i sound wrong, im not french.

Yeah this is why I avoided Turning Red. That and Luca look like an odd mix of Sony and Aardman.

...what's "the message"?

Be realistic, Luck was also very mid. Im a huge pixar fan, but there are reasons even people who like it dont bring it up at all. It's unmemorable at best.

@@jarronwilliams7227 I don't disagree with you, it was just a simple story with no social justice nonsense forced into it. I found that that to be quite refreshing. Not saying it's a classic by any means, just a well made animated film.

​@Gasterthemaster It's a very complicated question. But to make it simple it's the reason why the live action Disney peter pan movie changed absolutely everything to push the message. Boys and girls are The same you know they are Different. Boys can't be heroes only girl boss. Girls can't be feminine Motherly Or like classic traditional things. She must be just like one of the boys like a tom boy. But not like take some Boyish elements street up write them like A badly written male Everybody must be a different race despite time Period And location. And of course if you disagree with any of this or question it you are A biget terrorist.

​​@@gasterthemaster6490 Ppl like that don't actually care about the quality of the movies, they're just pissed they're not conservative enough for their tastes (i mean, that's the only way I can understand someone defending that piece of shit movie "Luck"), which is weird, because I don't even see anything particularly progressive in those pixar movies. I mean, except a couple gay people I don't see anything this kinda crowd would've been offended by only a few years ago before all that moral panic about "wokeness". I'm just saying, if Bug's Life had come out today, they'd be calling it "communist garbage"

I appreciate it! I'm glad you're here

I personally don't even find Inside Out and Coco to be one of Pixar's best. Not even Soul, which was close, but not quite. To me, the last Pixar film that matched the quality of the 2000s was Toy Story 3.

Monsters Inc? Are you serious? The entire plot of the film is gaining energy by terrifying children. It’s completely off the rails and rewards child abuse. Of course its presented in an innocent manner.

Hey, I steal from the content section shamelessly, you should steal back from me.

@@gregowen2022 You're a scholar and a gentleman, sir lol

Exploring the roots and nuance of prejudice would make for an amazing story! Trouble is, Disney seems to hate nuance and moral greyness.

I appreciate the kind words, thank you so much! I'm just so glad there are others that are as tired of constant negativity as I am.

@@gregowen2022 Thank YOU lol

That’s part of the reason Puss in Boots the Last Wish did so well it was actually good

I didn't even think Chip and Dale was that bad of a movie.

​@@whitworth5s248and the ducktales revival was pretty good.

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Don't forget Blue Sky, which they bought along with Fox and then closed in 2021 claiming they couldn't keep the studio open "because Covid" and as someone who loves Blue Sky - especially IA1 - I'm still sad/mad about that.

I think the ending is actually what made it meaningful and for me IS the directed point of the film. This film is about this man aiming for a dream his whole life and then realizing once he's experienced it culimnated... it failed to satisfy him, leaving him purposeless. Then via his experience with an unborn soul, he realizes that directed purpose was not what made life worth living for...it was just...the experience of the moments that bring us fulfillment without needing purpose or labels...Just existing and experience was made to be the reason life was worth it. And this man, narrowly looking at a point in the distance missed all the experiences of value he could have observed and cherish while walking there...the child showed him that. The story intentional misguided you with the concept of "follow dreams and passion" but abandons the very notion of dreams mattering at all in the end...because that was...at its core...the point. Not everyone will have a dream...but you can live fully awake and find value in what you see. That is why to me, Soul is the most powerful Pixar film period...but so few people got it...because most people are hoping for a "you fulfilled your dreams narrative" but this film is a deconstruction of that exactly. I loved it far more than inside out or Toy Story X...simply because of what it was saying. It's a shame it didn't get recieved at all on that level. But it's a little silly to think kids where gonna get something that deep anyway.

I am trying to make time for anime to find out why that's so popular and I think it overlaps with what you're talking about. Anime is crisp, detailed, and obviously talented people labored over it. American animation is getting rounder and flatter and more boring every year

@@gregowen2022 Definitely, gone are the days of Batman: The Animated Series, Samurai Jack and Star Wars The Clone Wars.

But they only used this style for 2 or 3 movies ...

@@gregowen2022 Well anime pretty much usually looks the same as well. Big beautiful eyes, cutesy faces, small noses, etc..

Shayne is so hilarious! I'm going to be unable to go see this one for a review. This is definitely a Disney plus watch for me

Right? The longer you think about the implications of the world and plot, the more it unravels

Thank you, I appreciate it!

Thanks, I'm glad you're here! Here's to more fun discussions

Luca's ending really surprised me at the time, novelty. But can you explain what you mean by "fifth option on a long plane ride" and "opening night stand in line"? I kinda don't understand your words.

@@user-hy1nr4ib4e Meaning, If I was on a long flight on a plane (For example, a cross-country or inter-continental flight), and there were a large number of movies I could watch for free on that plane's console, I could probably find four movies I would watch on any decent-sized list before I would watch "Elemental". Conversely, if I was very interested in a movie, I might stand in a long line (queue) to buy a ticket for a chance to see that movie as soon as I could. "Elemental" is not that kind of movie to me. It is the kind of movie that I would watch for free when there was nothing else to do for entertainment but watch movies, and only after better options had already been watched. Is that clear?

Is this the same Pixar that made Toy Story and up?

Why are some other channels bagging the upcoming TMNT Mutant Mayhem movie? Is it because they object to a black April O'Neil or do they disapprove of Seth Rogen's involvement?

@@jimmyboydonald6578 or it just looks like a flop.

Coco?

@@gasterthemaster6490 I think you misspelled Wall-E

@@brainthebrian3690 oh yeah, that one's fantastic. But it doesn't feel like Pixar to me, so I always forget it exists in the Pixar catalogue.

@@gasterthemaster6490 you’re right. Coco was excellent.

They are going to have the same problem as Cars 2. If there is a car pope, is there a car jesus? If the planes are sentient and they showed a shot of new york sans WTC buildings, does that mean the planes turned on everyone and kamikazied the towers? Elemental is going to make zero sense if you give it more than 2 seconds of thought. I personally can't wait for the videos breaking it all down

Hahaha, "bends" is the most accurate. Tim Allen might not have his career anymore, but he's got his dignity

I really appreciate that, and I would love to be on efap sometime. And I especially love that we can disagree about the movies and still have good discussion. That's way more fun than the angry people

Thank you so much!

that's because Luca was supposed to be a gay allegory, but they could not lean into it so just made it a general prejudice story.And prejudice for a group of people that can hide it works very differently and if you try to paint over one allegory with another, it doesnt quite make sense.

I agree it's trite and I'm not interested in the movie, but since when is "Prejudice is Bad" not a universal theme?

Prejudice and mommy issues have been the theme😂

@@ChrisAguilar Since it was crammed into literally everything and hammered into into us for the past decade.

Someone else in the comments mentioned that it would be great if they explored prejudice instead of just shouting PREJUDICE BAD. It's been a relevant message since... Forever. But they think they are being virtuous just by saying it's bad. Hey guys! Stealing is wrong! Please clap

Sometimes parents have no idea what the movies are about they just think it's good kid party fodder because it's Disney.

@@mallorycarpinski1160 The movie was rated PG and the very name suggests its content. The marketing reinforced this. Parents need to take responsibility for their actions.

I've heard many rumors surrounding him leaving, but unless it was actual assault or coming onto subordinates, I'm sure they are regretting getting rid of him

@@gregowen2022 He was ousted over a hug, which he was known for

It's such a sad state for them. I would bet most people have forgotten at least one or two of the five.

Like everything Disney acquires. It always seems to go from a license to print money to irrelevance in a matter of just a few years.