violin apology*

Seconded

@@serenityisme viola

Yeasssssss they should serenade us twosetters with canon in d 😂

Yes, we deserve reparations 😤

That's exactly what I said in another comment! The collective consciousness of a classical musician in the mainstream is a middle-age white man, there is a serious lack of diversity in the classical world. Such a missed opportunity to give the role to a real black violinist who could have personally benefited from being in a spotlight and get a boost in his career. And it may also have contributed to a change in mentalities. Such a shame...

​@MissTwoSetEncyclopedia Be realistic. How many black violinist actors are there? and how many are a good fit for the role?

@@CommanderQc I agree that it's definitely easier to find white classical violinists. And even then, casting directors and/or producers still prefer hiring actors with no musical background whatsoever. But if they really wanted, I'm sure they could find someone to fit that role. I checked the statistics and about 9 % of violinists in the US are black (because even if the movie is about a French-Caribbean guy, of course for an American movie it has to be an American actor 🙄). You're telling me that among thousands of them it's impossible to find one who is able to decently act? It doesn't have to be a soloist, even an intermediate player could do the trick. You know what? OK, there isn't a single black man in the world who can act, play violin, and look good on camera. Then just use a double, that way the violinist doesn't have to act and we don't even see his face. He probably wouldn't get any recognition but at least the playing wouldn't look that bad. To me it's pretty obvious that they don't even try, they just don't care. Don't get me wrong, I fully understand that most movie makers prioritise a compelling story telling for their audience rather than accuracy. Not saying it's a good thing, just that I understand where they're coming from. Money rules the world and people prefer unrealistic movies to documentaries. It doesn't make it less sad to see missed opportunities like this one.

​@@MissTwoSetEncyclopedia Well, you could also bemoan the serious lack of diversity in rap and hiphop "music" because there is a collective consciousness of rappers all being young-ish black men. 🙄 Funny how the demands for DiVeRsItY only ever go one way.

@@DameMitHermelin Actually, I am of the opinion that all music styles should be open to anybody. Eminem is one of the most prominent rap figure and he's white. In my country (France), some of the most famous and successful rappers are also white, including a woman who is now retired but is considered like our Queen of rap. I knew a Gospel choir who had people of all colours in it. Jazz, also coming from black communities, is appreciated and performed by a whole bunch of people from different cultures. I don't agree with the "cultural appropriation" stuff that some people seem to be attached to nowadays. There is no reason to gatekeep any style of music, whether it's classical or anything else, as long as everyone respect the roots and history of that genre. (Just a precision, I'm not an activist fighting for minority rights or anything like that. I actually usually refrain from giving my opinion on the topic because I know it's a sensitive one. I just felt like making an exception and sharing my thoughts for this specific case.)

I think that's basically the case for every profession. I love watching reviews of movies / TV shows made by doctors, lawyers, pilots, musicians, dancers, etc. It makes me both laugh and cringe but at the same time I learn a lot. 😄 Edit: It's not exactly the same thing, but I feel that way for actors talking in languages other than their own in movies, especially if their character is supposed to be fluent in that language. I am multilingual and most of the times it makes me cringe because it's very obvious that they learned their lines phonetically, have no idea what they're saying and have such a horrendous pronunciation and tone that it's barely understandable to native speakers... 😬

I have stomachache, just use the defibrillator, that solves everything apparently.

@@pianissimo7121 Honestly, it's as if they had never learned anything else in med school apart from "there is a problem with the heart, let's put some electrode pads on their chest and hope for the best"...

Till today, I still don't understand why they persist in defibrillating a flatline.

@@ericchionh9766 as someone with only movie level medical knowledge, Should you not? Also is someone flatlined can't we try anything as they are dead anyway? What are the procedures in real life? No need to answer the 3rd question, will Google search it myself.

So true 😂

That is so true

I was about to say thattt!

EXACTLY what I was thinking !!!

Well they were smiling(cringing) throughout the video XD

Oof its always the director...UGH

That's actually what makes me mad in these movies / TV shows. They usually do have professional consultants who give them advice, but the people in charge just don't listen to them because "it looks better this way". 🙄

Then they should've gotten an actual violinist for the role.

True and like hundreds of other musical movies

Seriously I want to give those people in charge a stern talking to sometimes, but they'll probably say _"Nah man the actor must have the role, what if the musician can't act? Then the movie will suck."_ which is fair considering that most folk don't care whether or not the actor plays an instrument or gets it right; but it leaves us to perpetually cringe for the time being.

LMFAO “flabbiest sounding G”

They broke character 😂

That was priceless. It looked completely genuine!

that was a full 3 seconds of astonished silence 🤣

i feel like they also waited then laughed to hype up the breddy shippers 😂

That actually sounds like Mozart, he would do it as a prank. 😅

​@MissTwoSetEncyclopedia If he hated the violinist definitely...remember what he did to that opera singer who always looked up and down if she sang high notes and low notes?-

@@kloor8624 Yep, apparently he made her head bob like a chicken! 😂

actually looking up and down when you sing high and low pitches isn't good technique and basically you shoot yourself in the foot when you do that(cause you're restricting your vocal cords and space)... honestly i wanna know where that singer learnt that from and why nobody ever pointed it out

@@eqwertysh I mean, nobody said she was a good singer... 😅 But yeah, my mom used to be an opera singer and I also was part of a choir. It seems to be an unconscious thing for us to do that (lower note = lower head and vice versa), and I remember being told time and time again to pay attention to it.

They haven’t done it for so long!

Omgg yesssss I can't stress enough how much I fricking love those 😭❤

Facts

Violin charades of bad acting movies :) haha

I really miss violin charades

That's actually pretty sad, my friend.

Listen to Beethoven’s piano sonata No. 32, his final sonata.

@@gatesurfer That's not jazz. It's syncopation.

@@gatesurfer 2 + 1 triplet rhythm ≠ swing, just like how using a bunch of dotted quarters with eighth notes doesn't make it swing either, and syncopation was already popular with composers like Mozart, let alone Beethoven. Do I see improvisation or the excessive use of 9, 11, and 13 chords? What about modes, which are used quite often in jazz?

It sounded more like a minor pentatonic scale...which is commonly related to blues.

@@gatesurfer The rhythm is somewhat "jazzy" (especially the use of the "charleston" rhythm), but the melodic vocabulary has little to do with jazz or blues (also, I would say it's closer to "boogie woogie" than jazz). In the movie scene, it wasn't the rhythm that made it sound "jazzy" - it was the melody and the phrasing.

Right?? 😂😭😭

@@emiliana7594 💯🤣🤣

Brett murdered a guy, and we all watched it and laughed! lol

One of the few movies I thought was too short. Everyone in that film was amazing. They all cared.

4 months of 6 hours a day for Mozart on fortepiano doesn’t surprise me. I got to the point of playing Mozart(and I’m not talking little minuets, I’m talking piano sonatas) on a modern piano in 6 months of 1-2 hours a day practice, so more hours is going to lead to faster learning speed all things considered.

Funny they worked so hard on authentic technique when the story is blatantly ahistorical. Don’t get me wrong, I adore Amadeus. But, yeah, almost none of that happened.

John Garfield did much the same thing for "Humoresque".

Amadeus is a modern movie. What are you, 12?

Start out playing classical, but then ditch the plan and play modern stuff 'cuz it's modernizing. *AMAZING!*

Modernising just means inserting a black guy where he isnt needed. In reality, he'd be booed of stage and thrown in jail

@@jamesherman3750 I thought it was weird but this is real. Joseph Bologne is a french-caribean man that lived during those times.

Why not? Throughout history, storytelling and entertainment has never had this obsession with accuracy. Things were anachronistic. And fun. Just fucking fun. Look at Shakespeare. A whole bunch of ahistorical and anachronistic stuff.

​@@jamesherman3750 lmao, you really would be the idiot that tries to boo Joseph Bologne in France and try to throw him into jail.

WAT ??!!!!!! 2025

😂😂😂😂😂😂

Somebody shot me down for suggesting this a couple of videos ago. Needless to say, I'm glad someone else agrees me with. Tár is a nearly perfect movie about classical music. There's scarcely a wrong note anywhere (apologies for the pun).

@@peterschaffter826sorry disagree. No conducting student so ignorant of Bach and Bach’s significance to western classical music and music in general would be enrolled at a school like that.

I SECOND THIS please I need Twoset reacting to Tár!

Tar was so shitty

I actually think it would be interesting for them to also react to the “cancel culture” in the movie because two set nearly got cancelled except…the classical community was like…no we don’t do that here lol

It was April fools joke lolllll

FRR

@@shreklolzz277 I know but I was still kinda worried.🥲

I swear to you, I watched it at work and started crying cause I thought it was real

@@shreklolzz277 April 2nd is April Fools' revenge.

Wow, that's awesome but at the same time it's a little bit sad that his skills weren't displayed as they should have... I checked on IMDb, is his name Reuben Anderson?

@@MissTwoSetEncyclopedia Yes I agree it is quite sad as he is really good but oh well.. Yes that's him!

4 weeks?!? I don't know much about costuming but that definitely doesn't sound a lot for a historical movie. I haven't watched the whole film and I'm sure that a specialist would probably point out some inaccuracies, but props to the people in charge for putting all of this together in such a short amount of time. 👍🏻

Yeah, they had very limited time and worked pretty much endlessly until shooting was scheduled to begin. I mostly noticed the lack of embellishments on garments, but of course it's details like that which would have taken more time. I read a Below The Line article called "Chevalier Costume Designer Oliver Garcia Captures 18th Century France With A Contemporary Fashion Flair" if you or anyone reading this comment is interested. (I'm really into historical fashion and costuming.)

​@BaileeWalsh I'm interested in both as well! What was the article about?

@kloor8624 the making and inspirations/references for the costumes, plus Garcia's process. I just put the title of the article so anyone could search it on their own; I didn't know if my comment would be flagged as spam if I posted the link.

@@BaileeWalsh You did well, any comment including a link is automatically deleted because of the spam filter. Thank you for providing the title of the article, I'm gonna check it! (I love historical movies and I'm French, that makes two very good reasons for me to be interested. 😊)

This is such an underrated comment! I like this idea! their point is why not use the musician who can act... but I think your idea is fun and probably eye-opening to them, too!

Nah twoset is to musician minded to even try that. Oh and they dont actually read YT comments

The focus part of your comment got me. 😂

This was recorded before the April 1st video.

@@e2pii213 ya

Very good movie

Yeah it’s not bad at all

This movie is amazing! Twoset should definitely react to it

Yeeeeessss! And she established the mantra of „Practice!“ in that movie as well!

I was looking for the title of this movie for years. My Grandparents showed me this movie when I was younger, and I think about it often. Thank you for bringing it up in the comments.

Nooo!

Spent 10 racks on a c string

tsk tsk tsk

Welcome to the mellow side, child. ☺️

It's not too late to back out

lol I was thinking of the same thing when watching and then the first comment on the video was yours I am laughing so much right now :) (TO THE BATMOBILE !)

Ya

They had me convinced 🤦🏻‍♀️

yeah how rich to say they suck at acting after the last video :)

@@Iluvtwosetandwatchtoomuch Exactly my point!!!!! 😂😂

@@Imonlysleeping2 omg 😂

But good performative solo musicians are already somewhat actors.

​@@BlokeOzzie That's what gets me. There's no way it's that hard to train a professional violinist to act. Their day job is already a stressful performance that requires them to "rehearse their lines", and many of them are even used to being recorded. And hell, we're talking about an industry that's already filled with beloved mediocre actors. There's no way someone like Randall Goosby couldn't put out a Keanu Reeves level performance with a good few months of training.

I had no idea Brendan Gleeson played the violin! Not that I'm surprised, a lot of irish people can play an instrument, it's super common but still

I was waiting for this

Literally crying at this comment 😂

@@brendamiller5785 surprised eddy just glossed over it like it wasnt the wildest thing ive heard in a while

@@rocketpsyence truly baffled by the things that come out of twoset's mouths like u cant just saythat?)/$:)2

what, Mr Knightley became a violin player for the movie? LOL. no mention in the book but why waste his talents, eh?

@@oxoelfoxo I think that was the idea, yes! It's a beautiful duet.

He popped into my head as soon as they said that, I almost thought they were going to mention him, too.

pretty sure they wouldn't watch any Austen movie unless a clip was given to them to watch haha@@L.Spencer

Is there any war movies that you think we're well done? For example I found all quite in western front, Dunkirk and saving private Ryan realistic. Would like to know your opinion.

@@anonymous891 I thought the Omaha Beach scene in Saving Private Ryan was good. Band of Brothers was well done. We Were Soldiers Once was pretty good. But a lot of them just have scenes where it is just so Hollywood. The ones about the War on Terrorism are really hard for me to watch. They will say a location and the scenery is nothing like the location they say they are at. Then they have soldiers going on missions that their occupation would not be doing or using a weapon they wouldn't use.

@@jstoeck784 haha i mean even if i am not a soldier i can many a times see that it is stylised a bit too much. Off course sir you will see even more details that i might miss which must be irritating. For me personally i feel the mistake happens when they try to make things look cool or dramatic. For example that scene u mentioned in saving private ryan wasn't trying to be heroic but instead showed how horrifying was can be in reality so yes maybe when directors aim for such scenes they tend to be more consious about technical aspects too. Personally i like dunkirk and all quiet in western front just because they didn't try to dramatise anything (or atleast i felt really terrified at how hard it is to be a soldier). Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

To the Bach-mobile!

@@BlokeOzzie oh yes we need twoset merch with this on it :)

@@BlokeOzzieBeyond clever! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

That's actually a question that popped into my head the other day: do married violinists remove their wedding ring to play? So I checked and apparently the majority tend to either wear it on the right hand or not wear it at all (at least when they're performing, not in their everyday life). I found it interesting. :-)

@@MissTwoSetEncyclopedia I N T E R E S T I N G :)

It's also not common to wear a wedding ring in some countries

@@antine1279 What countries are you thinking of? I'm French and I know that in some Western countries people wear their wedding ring on the right hand instead of the left, but I'm not really well versed in other cultures when it comes to wedding habits, so I would be interested to know more about it.

​@@MissTwoSetEncyclopediasorry for the late reply. As far as I'm aware, ring on left or right hand depends on the religion. As for countries you asked, I was specifically referring to Ireland and the UK (so not too far from yourself!)

It's really unfortunate that he forgot everything growing up! 😅

​@@MissTwoSetEncyclopedialuckily he replaced it with what would eventually be jazz.

@@crankfastle8138 I watched a great film recently called Green Book. A classically trained and successful pianist of the 50/60's, Don Shirley, plays according to his colour - Jazz - but his heart yearns to play classical music. Copy/pasting here.... The film is inspired by the true story of a 1962 tour of the Deep South by African American pianist Don Shirley & Italian American bouncer & later actor Frank "Tony Lip" Vallelonga, who served as Shirley's driver & bodyguard. However, the actor didn't play the piano, and Green Book uses clever edits to hide the fact that it isn't Ali's fingers hitting the keys. The piano was actually played by Kris Bowers, and it's his hands that can be seen on the keys.

​@@wakingtheworld Sounds interesting, might check it out. 😊

Now THAT would be quite something and achievable, judging by some of their earlier vids. Would take planning, time, practice, rehearsing and money! Not impossible though....

Comment on this comment to move it up!

I've scrolled down a way already; not sure how many do. I fear this one may get buried at the bottom of a pile of several thousand comments....

I'm trying though.... Very trying I am, I know!

Might be too difficult for violinists!

Luckily, that was April 1 in Singapore/australia etc.

@@susanbryant6516 Oh phew

I have a decently thick ring and I still find it comfortable to play with it on. Everyone I've asked says it's just a personal preference to play with or without.

To be fair, the ring he wears in the movie is very big! But I get your point...

Why'd they change the title to something so generic in English lol

And the orchestra part was an original arrangement by David Garett too

They reviewed that movie a few years ago. Mostly praised this scene of David playing Pag 24, even if of course they nitpick some details. They're the Violin Detectives after all... 😄

You mean in their Virtual World Tour? I haven't watched it in such a long time, I literally forgot there was Paganini in it! 😅 Well, I have a playlist of recordings from this concert, I'm gonna check it now. (It was in 2021 by the way.)

@@MissTwoSetEncyclopedia On the ball as usual! But TwoSet have done quite a fair bit of acting themselves. One I recall is when Eddy was some highbrow director wanting to promote a young musician (Brett) to stardom and fame (while coining it in).

@@wakingtheworld I absolutely love this video, Eddy NAILED that role. 😅 And yeah, I agree with you. Brett and Eddy may not have had formal training in acting but over the last 10 years on KZfaq and in their shows, they've had more than enough time to hone this craft. And when comparing their earlier skits to more recent ones, I would say they have become quite good at it!

It would make more sense to say “my culture doesn’t have April fool’s day”

@@M_SC i think my culture does but thanks for pointing this out im only young so i dont really support it but yes i am old enough to have a youtube account !!!!! :)

That's not what they're talking about. I doubt it was common to skip your entire first movement after 30 seconds of it to play the cadenza at the end, considering the musicians probably learned and practiced the entire thing

@@coolguy4709are you sure? i’m sure you’re partly right, but it did sound a lot like they were also specifically dismissing the fact that he’d ever improvise the cadenza

also, professional orchestras typically didn’t rehearse a lot if not at all i don’t see how a sudden ask (given this scene’s context)to skip to the cadenza wouldn’t be plausible, given a very rare occasion

Brett and Eddy made a video about that movie and really praised it! One of the only two movies (out of the dozens they've reviewed) that actually had a real violinist as the lead role...

Overthinkers unite 😂

surely everything was prerecorded with enough time for alicia to edit it...... but the short they posted earlier is what some youtubers do for promotion in the shorts thing where they link one of their videos so i think it was purposely posted as a teaser for what was to come.... :) good thought though... i also was a little concerned when i watched the video before the quitting one and eddy was on his phone the whole time..... hmmmm not to be critical... maybe that was where the questions were.... idk 😂😂

Well, the thing is, I think the previous video was really just April Fools (I hope). because then why did they upload the quit video before this video? They will upload this video first, then the quit video (because they really quit so it doesn't take April Fool's Day to upload the video). However, because it's April Fool's Day, they upload the quit video. But I understand you because yeah, they didn't give any clarification about the april fool's video, so that's why we can only hope.

Don't worry! I'm like 10000% sure they are not leaving. And most creators expect their audience to find out they are joking, which is probably why they haven't said anything about it yet. That aside, it's best not to get too attached to any person or creator online to the extent you feel nightmares and panic. That's really not good for you!! 🥺 At the end of the day, TS are humans who can feel stress and burnout and have the right to stop creating if it's healthy for them. Their personas while recording won't show that human side of them, which is why I wanted to remind you ❤️

​@AdiosssLife I'm just torturing myself with the 1% possibility that it's not a prank. And I'm not trying to spread anxiety, but I'm really dying... Twoset sometimes do crazy stuff, stuff that's out of everyone's "common sense", that's what I'm worried about. I also follow an influencer who announce sth that everyone think is ridiculous and 1000% is a prank, but it turned out to be real, and not only is it real, it's sth significant, and it happened on April first...

actually he SAVED that movie:-)

If I remember well, that's one of the only two movies (out of the dozens they've reviewed) that actually had a real violinist as the lead role...

Twoset did it on another video and it is awesome! Look for : The WORST Violin Movie Acting We've Ever Seen

Loved Mozart in the Jungle. But, yeah, when the conductor tells the concertmaster to perform the Sibelius on the spot was, um, just a wee bit unrealistic.

I agree with you, it's actually kind of sad that this tradition has disappeared and that classical musicians nowadays don't learn improvisation, it's a useful tool. That being said, the soloist doesn't get to play a cadenza whenever he wants, there is a time dedicated to it in the piece. 😄 But I understand that film makers always try to spice things up to make the scenes look more dramatic. It's the way it is...

I'm p sure this comment is wrong. Mozart never randomly cut the orchestra off and skipped to the end of the movement to impress a crowd, I'm p sure.

@@coolguy4709 The movie's portrayal is definitely wrong.

Stevie T has done many videos like this for guitar with much success and they are quite entertaining.

They did it for two different movies, at the beginning of their "roasting career". Wish they would have kept doing it...

Brett is from Taipei and Eddy from Kaohsiung. These cities are at both extremities of the island, so hopefully their families and friends are safe. That being said, the whole country is affected, my heart goes to all the people living there. 🙏🏻

@@MissTwoSetEncyclopedia Yep! I immediately checked out where they were from and was relieved that they were quite far from the epicentre. I wish all injured a fast recovery.

There is fantasia

@@sonya-c You mean Disney's "Fantasia" and "Fantasia: 2000"? I mean, yes, they are wonderful and dear to my heart, but they are not at all what TwoSet is talking about or what I'm suggesting. They're talking about live action films and shows that depict people playing the role of musicians, and they are often biopics of real historical masters of their craft (such as Chevalier, Mozart, Leonard Bernstein, the list goes on).

@@sabrinaduckett5057 I meant Two set's "Fantasia", the short film they made :p

@@sonya-c oooohhhh, my bad, I'm so sorry.

@@sabrinaduckett5057 👍

I agree!