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@@ingriddubbel8468 get over it its KZfaq and i was feeling sentimental . don't waste my time anymore get ur life!!!!!.

Keith Parkes and now in heaven

On and off screen they were really good friends.

@The mysterious Miss X you must be very young and way over sensitive. Nothing said here was rude or in any way a put down, no matter how hard you try to twist it. True friends are close enough to say anything to each other in a kind voice. Real friends are open and tell you the truth instead of lies. But in a kind way, not ugly or hateful. The wounds of a true friend are better than the flattery of a fake who stabs you in the back later.

@@RepentfollowJesus and also, everything they said to each other was complimentary! How nice that friends can tell each other they look great.

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Please don't post RIP in comments . It's a downer and not the appropriate place . The character Rhoda is alive and well. Don't spoil things. TV is supposed to be a escape from reality. I hate seeing that. We need a nice escape especially now. I know you didn't mean anything by it.

@@elizabethrobinson8615 I love rods

Mary and the other actors too!!!!!!!!!!!! ❤️‍🩹

@@VictoriaReina-ch4xo R.I.P Valerie. You were a very talented actress.

We lost Cloris.,..... FUCK ........,, I hate these bags under my eyes..., Just full of tears ready to fall as each new day brings a new loss.😪

will always love Rhoda so sassy so NYC Mary was cool but Rhoda had her own business, didnt take crap from hubby or moms and just lived her life

Definitely

She was also great on McMillan and Wife...Love her!

Watch Nancy walker in "Murder by Death" All star cast. You'll love it..

Their first meeting started it all & unique in t.v. history.

Rest in ☮️ both of them.

Amen

Let's not forget Joe is gone now, too, as are Carlton the doorman and Rhoda's parents Ida and Martin and Gary Levy their neighbor.Wow,so much has changed.Doesn't seem possible

Were you another Rhoda binge watcher the weekend of 8 31 19? We're a good group. RIP Mary and Rhoda..

@rrr ccc Don't forget Ed Asner.

Oh, John Amos.He played the weatherman. Gordy. I think he is still alive. James Evans-Good Times.

And not only was it 40 years ago but several of the cast members have since passed away; Mary Tyler Moore, Nancy Walker and David Groh.

paul nelson Almost 45 now.

I know!!!! NOW it's been 44!

I know! I used to watch BOTH the shows (MTM and Rhoda). LONG before "Romy and Michelle", I used to say "I am Rhoda on the outside, but Mary on the inside".

47. (2021)

And it is only the end of the first season!

Yes that was too bad.

Even though it took two more years thereafter. Really lame.

Mother has already mentioned more than once that the marriage was in trouble- she "knew"

Lucy Lucky Brenda is still alive. She’s the voice of Marge Simpson

And Betty too

@The mysterious Miss X , Yep, David Groh passed away in back 2008. I think people often make the mistake of mixing up actors with the characters they portray. Some folks might not like Joe, but David Groh was a talented actor and from what I heard, a really good guy, so he deserves some love and remembrances too. RIP big guy!

Rhoda was wrong... Mary was wrong.

Joe Shoulda did what I woulda done ...moved out and initiated the divorce. She wanted the marriage now she wants to put her husband last...typical boomer 60s feminist

I love Rhoda's show but I agree with you that she was funnier on The Mary Tyler Moore Show.

Yes, very true, I just wish there were more shows of the same quality that were being produced today.

What, you don't like Ida? She's chopped liver? Figures, you never called her anyway!

Joe was a dick.

Producers wanted that.

I never thought he was a loudmouth and jerk till I got much older. That said, he is just saying the lines that were written for him and I certainly didn’t want them to divorce. Now, that was a dumb idea.

He’s an actor. That’s how they wanted the part played so that’s how he played it

You mean Like a New York man? That was the character.

I think Carlton was homeless, if he hadn't been at work in Rhoda's building, he would have been living in a garbage bin!

Garfield LOL

At some point doormen formed a union, so maybe Carlton wanted to rack up as much OT as he could. Between the OT money, bonuses and tips he could afford to be a lush. Plus, with the union might behind him, his chance of being fired was between 0 and 1.

I presume we don't see all the days of the week in the show! :)

he probalby lived in the building.. and if doormen had a union, his job was fairly safe so he drank..

DIfreighter watcher Wow! I had no idea she is the voice of Marge Simpson! Thanks for the info!!!!!

DIfreighter watcher he sure did

Garfield is an unforgettable voice, as well as the doorman, engraved in my memory brain cells

OMG! Had no idea he was Garfield! I thought that voice was warm and familiar. Just couldn’t place it!

This is well known.

And as of this week Valerie Harper has passed away.

Joe was such a whiner

Exactly. And David went to school for drama for a long while; he knew how to act exactly as New Yorker guy in that situation would.

Meir Wise Never again because there are no young female actresses who can live up to all those great gals from that era. Yes, I do know that it was a rhetorical question too.

LOL...well, yes...Mary Tyler Moore, Cloris Leachman, Betty White, Valerie Harper, Georgia Engel on MTM....

Meir Wise not any more all but one is dead

@@TheDesmo54 Betty White, Cloris Leachman, and Julie Kavner are all still very much alive!

Meir Wise Only when you throw in Betty White and Cloris Leachman. 🙂

Yep, sad but true. I would feel odd knowing that I was the lone survivor of a show. Betty White is in the same boat and pretty much Todd Bridges. All of the shows from my youth have produced many sad notions that this life goes quick.

She had a script. Are you deluded?

Ingrid Dubbel Pretty funny..... it’s not like this show was a live improv.

Ingrid Dubbel all that Kristy Nicole was saying is that she wishes that because she thinks it would have been fun. Don’t be obnoxious to strangers on the internet. You wouldn’t look her in the eye and say that in person.

Ingrid Dubbel You didn't read her comment. She WISHED. And she's right, that would have been fun!

What do you people not understand by how she said “i wish that…”? She wasnt stating what she said as *fact*. She just saying that she wished that’s how it went. People SUCK at reading these days

ManTexDal: yep that does seem how it is. lol. that's just how they wrote it.

I was thinking the same thing. When Joe first met Mary in the Wedding episode, he was in the middle of one of his meltdowns.

It's in the script as my dad would say to me when I asked him the same thing in 1974

Joe was an assh*le; I can't figure out why they wrote him like that, perhaps to contrast him with Rhoda and create conflict.

Jaymes Guy Joe was a hot head at times. Wasn’t that the reason they broke up?

Acting like someone really looking forward to something and finding out it's not happening. I get it.

And 2021! Me & mum 🙏 loved this show & I adored Valerie!! Great teamwork made this show so brilliant. Too much analysing these days Thanks for the magic. x 🤗

Christopher Miller Yes, Mary was pretty but at the same time, her face always looked worried to me. Even when she wasn't worried, her face still always looked like it.

Christopher Miller u should watch first season of Mary Tyler Moore when she had long hair and mini skirts

Yes, and rewatching these episodes now as an adult (I was a teenager when they first aired in the '70s), and also knowing Rhoda and Joe's ultimate fate, it casts these (seemingly) trivial arguments in a new light. Earlier in the season, Joe asked Rhoda to move in with him, but she told him that she couldn't live with him if they weren't married. Though they didn't reveal this until after they separated, he married her, but secretly resented having to do so, and I see these little spats between them as symptoms of that resentment. He loved her, but he felt that he'd married her under duress. The whole storyline about the separation and divorce was, of course, a "downer" (particularly for a sitcom during the mid-70s), but having since experienced a number of painful breakups, I can now appreciate how realistic and moving those separation/divorce episodes were in a way that I couldn't have when I first saw these as a 16-year old.

Compare with Mary, who knew who was right for her. Rhoda perhaps realistic. Choices not always right. People imperfect. Writers intended this. Great contrast here with friendship versus spouse storyline.

@@mthivier its meant to be a sitcom, and a painful unhappy break up, is difficult to process in a show like that.

@@glen7318 That's true. I was in my early-20s when Joe & Rhoda split up. I was more upset with it than I was with my own parents splitting up at the same time!

@@wotan10950 I think that the show's producers didn't mean to break them up which is why the whole marriage and end of it came across as a bit too realisitc and as such painful. Joe does come across as bad tempered, so perhaps they went with that, as a way of breaking htem up.. that he got angry over things and it messed up the marriage... and David Groh didn't seem to be able to act with a light touch so he seemed genuinely angry a lot of the time.

Nancy was great as Sophia's sister Angela, on the two episodes she was in on "Golden Girls".

Don't forget her in the "Bounty Paper Towels" commercials!

@@ultimafuelie The Quicker Picker Upper!!!

You do know this is a fictional show right? A comedy show at that. I don't know that you need to analyse Joe parenting methods to this degree, it's a story.

Hitler invaded Poland in 1939, which was the official start of WWII globally; the US didn't enter until 1941. Also, Valerie Harper was born in in 1939.

It's the only time I've ever seen his last name spelled Mitchlll. No e, three l's.

+LG Sampson I agree, I never liked him.

Ridiculous ....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LG Sampson: he was very nice in many scenes I remember seeing. its just that when he was pissed he was pissed. lol

LG There were some episodes where he was very nice and very patient with Rhoda. Sometimes he was TOO nice & patient with her, in fact. For example, there was the time she went out to dinner with an ex of hers although it was disrespectful to her husband & despite the fact that he was clearly not comfortable with her "date."

In this episode he had a right to be vexed with Mary, for just showing up assuming Rhoda and Joe would be able to host her for a weekend, and with Rhoda for not telling Mary at her arrival that she and Joe were en route to a weekend vacation. Comic premise flimsy.

But she's always found it hard to tell it straight away because she's only looking out for Mary's feelings. They are best friends. Joe shouldn't of been so upset.

Also, he played crash-test dummy Larry.

Yep. Such a cute voice! ❤. :)

patrick m Agree. Of course girlfriends should stick together, but not at the expense of our husbands!

Agreed! In the end Mary was still her friend and Joe was out

When she said dammit lol

She was going to stay with Brenda.

@@02chevyguy It was smart for Brenda to suggest that. New York hotels are amazing if one can afford it.

Smart sis. 🔥

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@@monyoc3313 I agree. Today's date December 23, 2079.

Actually the beginning of the end was early in the season when Joe had asked Rhoda to move in with him, and she told him that she couldn't live with him unless they were married. Though the writers didn't know at the time that they'd split them up a couple of seasons later, they eventually went back and used that, when Joe told Rhoda that he felt pressured to marry her. Even though no one wanted to see them split up, since it writers were intent upon doing so, I thought it was a very savvy use of an already-established plot point.

Agree 100%

I wish I could go back in time 40 years and meet her. Heck, I would even meet her today out of respect for her regarding her courage in her battle against brain cancer.

Man was she ever hot

In MTM Rhoda was so self deprecating, but by today's standards so hot. Then she was considered "fat," but any guy now would call her hot. Just gorgeous in seventies. The ultimate combination would be Jaclyn Smith. Just breathtaking in seventies.

People have been saying in the comments he never really wanted to be married in the first place. If that’s how it was then it’s no surprise that’s it went as it did.