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@alexnorth7577 ай бұрын
Neelix is the only one of them thats actually LIVED an atrocity. the others dismiss remembering so easily but not him, he knows the importance of learning from past mistakes.
@Tommy92gunner6 ай бұрын
Still doesn't justify force trauma dumping, by forcing it to be other's problems you make the issue WORSE and it will doom us to repeat it.
@nicholasemjohnson473 ай бұрын
@@Tommy92gunner How would forcing it risk repeating history? If people know, they will understand the gravity of horrible actions.
@kbanghart22 күн бұрын
@@Tommy92gunnerThat's why they put a warning buoy in orbit.
@johntracy72 Жыл бұрын
A lot of fans may have despised Neelix, but this is one of his shining moments.
@Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective Жыл бұрын
Honestly, while I love this episode I've got to say... no it really doesn't feel like it. His argument is the only way to avoid making the same mistakes like causing a massacre is by witnessing it first hand and I don't know about you but more nor anyone else I've ever come across would ever kill someone accidentally or on purpose and in fact it's what this crew in particular advocate to avoid. But due to this flawed logic, the Voyager crew allow others to be traumatised by the events of the Nakan massacre.
@Ragitsu Жыл бұрын
@@Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective It does feel like it.
@olternaut8 ай бұрын
Despised? Who???
@tarafudge7 ай бұрын
@@Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective they deployed warning buoys I think
@conorharris24517 ай бұрын
he could be a bit annoying
@bigevil10013 жыл бұрын
The Inner Light's sadistic evil twin brother.
@teddybetts32542 жыл бұрын
That's a really good point. I didn't even think of that. It's a black mirror image of Inner Light. 👍 Though it wasn't meant to be sadistic; as Neelix said, it was about remembering.
@oolooo7 ай бұрын
Actually , The Inner Light is also sadistic and evil
@kbanghart22 күн бұрын
@@oolooohow so?
@danielkubin387814 күн бұрын
@@kbanghart Are you kidding? Imagine that you think that you live someone life for about 30 - 40 years, then you "wake up" you have to live we that you have memories of someone else for rest of the life. And boy, there are shit in live which no one want to remember. This is even worse, becuase you have to remember something you dont want to know and some one force you do so and even Janeway decide to repair! And play a buoy somewhere in space, which could be easy to destroy by someone else, or worse which nobody could uderstand what is telling it. High scifi concept, with terrible outcome. I would shut down this memorial.
@kbanghart14 күн бұрын
@@danielkubin3878 Well I respect your opinion, but I disagree, I would not shut it down. I'm not sure what you mean about living 30 to 40 years of someone's life or whatever. In the episode, they didn't live all that amount of time as the other person. You know that real change doesn't happen unless people experience events firsthand, right? The warning buoy in orbit is a very good feature. Dismantling the memorial would basically mean that we are judging that entire civilization and proclaiming they are wrong, which we cannot make that decision.
@Gaeilgeoir2 жыл бұрын
A powerful episode.
@cyberstar2519 ай бұрын
this hits home for alot of people, especially war vets because it's absolutely true, words alone can't tell the whole story, but once you know the truth behind them, it's your truth.
@nicholasemjohnson473 ай бұрын
I understand the pain of forced trauma, but I also understand the need to let people experience the memories themselves. So many people either try to forget, deny, justify, or invent a false version of atrocities. Reliving the memories yourself makes you know the actual truth. Of course, there are many species that would enjoy the violence or see the victims as weaklings. So I do understand the reason why forced memories would often produce the opposite effect. I would advocate modifying the monument so that one can access the memories voluntarily without any forced trauma. Though Janeway's option was good enough: Deploying a warning beacon to caution other crews of what they might experience.
@KH4444444444NАй бұрын
This is top tier world-building.
@peterwood29086 ай бұрын
After watching jetrel, one admires Neelix in this negotiation.
@1TheNews3 жыл бұрын
Great episode.
@tek512 Жыл бұрын
One of very few times Neelix and Janeway did something admirable.
@damenwhelan32367 ай бұрын
Voyager had some deep moments.
@modelsnstuffreveiws66285 ай бұрын
It’s one thing to have a memorial, that is good, to remember. It is another thing to impose trauma upon another, to thrust a generations woes upon the next in a way they cannot handle and leaves them just as scarred as the last, shame on those who built this thing.
@MrLantean5 ай бұрын
The purpose of imposing the memories of the massacre on others may be controversial but only by actually experiencing the event that people will truly understand what happen which resulted the massacre. That way the event will not be forgotten.
@Renegade27865 ай бұрын
Those that live in Gaza Strip would disagree.
@nicholasemjohnson473 ай бұрын
Memorials can be destroyed or forgotten. Memories forced into you last forever. I don't like the idea of forcing trauma, but sometimes the best way to learn is by unwanted learning. Janeway fortunately came up with the option of deploying a warning beacon so that other crews would know what to expect.
@kbanghart22 күн бұрын
There's no shame at all on the builders
@danielkubin387814 күн бұрын
@@nicholasemjohnson47 Warning beacon could be easy destroyed or misunderstood. Its lame excuse to keep this horrible device active. Not mention that she breaking Prime directive.
@Alamandorious5 ай бұрын
And this is why you never, ever, tear down statues.
@derranthefunnyguy6 ай бұрын
Episode 14 Season 5 : Memorial In case anyone wants to watch the whole episode.
@marvlouslie20538 ай бұрын
It still pains me that they were finally able to do something with Neelix near the end of Voyager. They couldn't seem to get him right in the first few seasons.
@kbanghart22 күн бұрын
That's because kes was also involved. But he had decent episodes all throughout
@benyseus63253 жыл бұрын
“Kathryn”???????????
@DblOSmith7 ай бұрын
Great episode with back and forth valid moral points. My opinion: Forcing a trauma onto innocent people is assault, and it doesn't matter the reason why. I'm with Chakotay. Deactivate it, and let it stand. Maybe add an addendum that if you replace the energy source, you may relive the memories as the creators intended.
@Tommy92gunner6 ай бұрын
Bit of a stretch there fam, there is no legal statement since the founding of law that states forced trauma dumping is assault, I agree it makes the issue worse and solves nothing, but legally that is not how that works.
@DblOSmith6 ай бұрын
@@Tommy92gunner Not assault specifically, but I encourage you to look up "Intentional infliction of emotional distress." This is textbook IIED.
@nicholasemjohnson473 ай бұрын
I understand the pain of forced trauma, but the memories need to remain. I would advocate modifying it so that one can access the memories voluntarily without any forced trauma.
@DblOSmith3 ай бұрын
@@nicholasemjohnson47 I'll allow that. :)
@meltedplasticarmyguy8 ай бұрын
History is there not for you to change or destroy, but to learn from. If you are offended by history, even better, you then will never make the same mistake. One cannot "cherry-pick" history, to do so dishonors the sacrifices and accomplishments of our ancestors. We are the culmination of all that came before. Every action, every thought made by every person has led to this exact point in time, and your life will influence the next generation, and so on.
@Tommy92gunner6 ай бұрын
History is a lie, there is no offense here, its fact, just cause it happened doesn't make it history my guy, and let me tell you, humanity has FAILED, its existence is a cancer, one that must be removed.
@nicholasemjohnson473 ай бұрын
@@Tommy92gunner Your statement makes zero sense. If it happened, it is history. And what do you mean remove our existence?
@danielkubin387814 күн бұрын
Yes but have to be done voluntarily by specific person if is interested, or as part of some schooling program. Imagine that you going for walk in city around some World war II. memorial which its happen to be in City center and you have to experience horrible staff from World War II. even that you dont dont want to know and inside you are normal person not mass murderer. How long do you thing would take than this Memorial would be turned off. I would say not much. What Janeway did in the end of episode, its noble, ale it make zero sense for other races, which could even use this technology for evil things once they found out how it works. She had no right to do so. As usually, she even consider for moment, that she breaking Prime Directive.
@CaptainSovereign13 күн бұрын
Mass Effect fans:Wow this technology is so coool Star Trek Fans:Not again.... (Prothean beacons)
@damenwhelan32367 ай бұрын
1:01 I find it a great insult that such merits come from chekotay. Neelix and chekotay should have been the voices for the memory.
@lawnmowermanTX6 ай бұрын
The Native Americans were massacred by invaders and covered up the entire crime by forgetting what happened. I might not be the most beloved and respected Choctaw, at least Neelix defended his position and the memories of what happened. The Massacre of the Nueces River, where Confederate soldiers slaughtered German Unionists fleeing to Mexico in cold blood for not being conscripted into the Confederacy. “””” After the cessation of hostilities in 1865, Germans emerged as some of the most exuberant supporters of the United States' victory.[37] The German-language Treue der Union Monument (loyalty to the Union), in Comfort, Texas, was dedicated on August 10, 1866, to commemorate those who died at the 1862 Nueces massacre. Except for those drowned in the Rio Grande, the remains of the deceased are buried at the monument's site.[38] It was the only Unionist monument dedicated by locals in the territory formerly controlled by the Confederacy.[37]””””
@kbanghart22 күн бұрын
So, build one.
@johntracy72 Жыл бұрын
The inscription on this memorial should be on placards at every Holocaust and other genocide related memorials and museums.
@damenwhelan32367 ай бұрын
1:56 No. We dont lesrn by denying what happened. What happened was horrible. It was wrong. It shouldnt have happeend. Denying it is to condine it. We look into the face of evil not in defiance of evil, but in contemplation and so we may recognise evil.
@Tommy92gunner6 ай бұрын
Not how that works, you don't force the trauma's of some nobody, let alone some irrelevant and non existent civilization, all you're doing is trauma dumping, you keep your tragedies to or w/e story you drum up to yourself, you don't learn from forcing it on others. You also don't get to cast judgement for having the common sense to ignore what is not your problem, don't make it other's problem, that's not cOndOniNg iT, but since liberals don't have the braincells to understand this fact, let me say this, all your kind does is cOndOne.
@nicholasemjohnson473 ай бұрын
@@Tommy92gunner Nobody? Irrelevant? Would you be saying that if it were you?
@bolt71533 жыл бұрын
Ohht
@mr_h8312 жыл бұрын
Star trek making modern arguments before modern arguments even appeared. There's a reason confederate memorials exist, it's about remembering the shit they did so we dont repeat it.
@Pfisiar22 Жыл бұрын
except the vast majority of them were constructed long after most confederate war veterans were dead. And even fucking Jefferson Davis stated there should be no grand monument. The confederate monuments largely existed to perpetrate a rewriting of history. A propaganda coup to make people think that the war wasn't about slavery when it was about slavery all a long. Read the confederate constitution and note how many times it mentions slavery. Read every single proposal for secession and see how often they mention slavery. No, it was always about slavery and the confederate monutes were largely an attempt by a Klan-controlled South to rewrite history an further the 'lost cause' myth.
@zzmoonz Жыл бұрын
most of those weren't made shortly after and were made during the civil rights movement, not remotely analogous to a massacre monument morning a massacre. those statues in the context of this episode would be dreams where all the soldiers are cool and justified edit: yt was buggin I didn't see someone already said it better in the reply above
@Tommy92gunner6 ай бұрын
History is a lie, we are doomed to repeat it because humanity is a failed species, everyone entitled to be above everyone else, no one is innocent, wars will continue even after the last human falls.
@qs55233 жыл бұрын
If the massacred colonists were Palestine Voyager crew would No doubt be called anti Semitic It’s a shame people can watch this fiction and be moved. But not moved by actual suffering of the Palestinians.
@danjackson2848 Жыл бұрын
Who invited you
@qs5523 Жыл бұрын
@@danjackson2848 your comment makes no sense
@jackdorseysdisappointedfather11 ай бұрын
You dont like it? Move.🤷♂️
@keith_dixon9 ай бұрын
People are only outraged when the people dying and suffering are white.