Brilliant video! Cannot believe you have one thousand subs as of writing this comment. You deserve so much more! In my opinion, even if they had the dev time to give Sonic unique animations, he would've still been poorly represented due to how less popular the Sonic franchise is in Japan compared to the West. As for the classic representation, like the spring, Sakurai said in an interview that he played Sonic 1, 2, 3 & Knuckles, CD, Fighters, Shadow, '06 (maybe more, but that's the gist of it when Brawl came out) so he wanted to implement classic and modern elements, hence why so much of it references Sonic the Fighters which was rather popular in Japanese arcades. So it's no wonder why the rather obscure GBA spin-off didn't get the recognition. What I mean with "unique animations" is that some of his moves turn him into a ball which is pretty easy to animate, or - in the case for his normals - they reuse concepts from other characters, like Sonic's forward aerial looking like Pikachu's or Falco's, or his up tilt looking like Captain Falcon's up smash. His rushed inclusion is itself kind of a stark reminder of how his series has been handled. Sure, he became an absolutely brilliant fighter over time, but I am not fond of how he plays. If I had some complaints with the moveset ideas given here, it'd be that the trick system - while really awesome - takes out a lot of mix-ups in his recovery game. Still such an awesome idea, though in regards to his boost system. I know they don't give overhauls a lot, but man that's a really smart way to implement it. Another complaint would be that side B and forward smash would look too similar (though, can't really complain due to the overlap with side B and down B). I adore the ideas far more than what we were given, though. I will give the edge to forward smash in the base game since it's very funny to think some of the Werehog is somewhere inside Sonic due to how large it is (also, a Sonic the Fighters reference is still a reference)

In an alternate universe Sakurai played a modern sonic game before frontiers

It's funny how making Sonic more unique now has the side effect of making him worse now that he's high tier in Smash 4 and Top 2 in Ultimate.

Need a time machine to go back and make Sakurai play Sonic Battle for the GBA. Love Sonic's moves in that game.

No way you imagined side B the same way I did, a ring throw then a lightspeed dash like pacman but with less knockback

I need to give Sakurai a copy of Sonic Battle, god damn

If Sonic had his Frontiers moves, he’d be unstoppable

I’m a simple man. I see an alternate sonic moveset, and I click.

The side smash punch is a reference, possibly, to Sonic The Fighters. Maybe a one-windup version can be his side tilt. And the different spring designs have different functionality. Classic, you have to jump on; perhaps for modern, you only need to touch it, like Pacman's trampoline. And the air drop version does less damage and more knockback...

I have a lot to say: - You're right about his Brawl Down Smash being the move, because I don't think Sonic’s build can create enough impact for a split kick. He's usually seen break dancing or spinning. - I'd rather change his Up Smash. I know it's a reference to Sonic The Fighters, but I need visual clarity. To still make it a unique move, I'd make it the Tricky Tornado Uppercut from Sonic Unleashed. While an uppercut, Sonic jumps off it, making it a really good combo starter into his Aerials. - His Humming Top Back Air can be a combo move like Pichu's. That gives Sonic stylish combo strings. - They'll probably pull from Frontiers, so Side Special can be Wild Rush. He'll zigzag between a few spots then deliver a strong divekick used as a KO move. To make it more interesting you can control the zigzag, using it as a flashy combo finisher. - For his Homing Attack, I'd include his Air Dash as a secondary attribute. If you don't home in on anyone, Sonic will jump in place while on the ground. In the air, he'll do an air dash affected by gravity, so it should feel like it's ripped right out of SA1. If you're in proximity, it'll lock on and attack like it currently does. Lastly, his colors need a rework: - P1 (Default) - P2 (Classic Sonic Colors) - P3 (Classic Amy Colors) - P4 (Mighty the Armadillo Colors) - P5 (Ray the Flying Squirrel Colors) - P6 (Jet the Hawk Colors) - P7 (Sonic the Werehog Colors) - P8 (Darkspine Sonic Colors) Colors for Tails, Knuckles, or Shadow shouldn't be used if they were to be playable. And Classic Sonic's proportions are different from the modern design, so I'd make it a pallette swap instead. Sonic still has a lot of potential for a new moveset. This was fun to watch

My personal take: *Moves I wouldn't change:* Jab, side tilt, down tilt, f-smash, NAir, BAir, UAir, grab, pummel, back throw, f-throw and up B *Basic attacks:* Up tilt: The Sonic Kick and Top Kick combo from Battle (like in Smash Flash 2 0.9) Dash attack: Somersault Up smash: Bound Jump (like in Smash Bros. Crusade 9.5). it can go through platforms if he's standing in one when charging the attack Down smash: Sonic Flare (like Mario's, but with better frame data to set both moves somewhat apart) FAir: Sonic Eagle. Using the FAir again right after will have you do the Humming Top from Advance 2 DAir: Stomp (similar to his current DAir, but he'll go straight down with a blue aura around his foot, like in the Boost games) *Throws:* Up throw: Blue Tornado from Heroes/Sonic Up Draft Down throw: He slams the opponent on the ground and uses the Cross Slash from Frontiers at them *Special moves:* Neutral B: Same, but he strikes a little pose in midair if he hits the adversary Side B: Light Speed Boost, a made-up mix of Light Speed Dash and Boost: Sonic will create a ring trail in front of himself and follow said trail while surrounded in a faint boost aura. It's like Pac-man's, but he travels much faster Down B: Same, but it works like his current side B. Using it in midair will have him do the Drop Dash *Final Smash:* He goes Super (no, duh), but instead of flying up and down and all around the stage, he'll try to hit an opponent with the first hit of the Spin Slash. If he hits someone, he'll use the Phantom Rush on the caught foe and end the Smash with a Wild Rush, but if not, he'll spin around, trying to suck an opponent in, and if he does, he'll deal multi hitting damage, ending it with a Wild Rush as well *Other stuff:* Costumes: Aside from colors referencing other hedgehog and speed characters in general, he could also have alternate outfits: - A Shadow alt - A Silver alt - An Amy alt - An Espio alt - SA1’s Light Speed Shoes and Crystal Ring - All of the SA2’s upgrades - And for the last one - either the shoes and glasses from Riders or the fake Metal Sonic alt from Heroes Items, since there are no Sonic items in Smash for some odd reason: - The blue shield (protects you from damage) - The ring monitor (same as the blue shield, but rings will come out if you get hit) - The lightning shield (gives you an extra jump. Would be busted for characters like Kirby and Jigglypuff, but also a godsend to the likes of Little Mac, Incineroar and Ganondorf)

Do you think thered be a point in adding Shadow as a playable character

No change to Super Sonic? I, personally, would go the route that Super Smash Flash 2 did: making him a fully controllable transformation with upgraded stats, like Wario-Man or the Mega evolutions. If not giving Super Sonic a new moveset entirely.

I think charging the spindash to get the light speed attack like Adventure 1 would be cool

Your changes are actually solid, the forward trick from Advance 2 as a back air could be interesting, Sonic’s current up air is a bit redundant since Wolf has the same animation with his up smash so I’m leaning more towards the up draft bicycle kick, the drop dash is another good suggestion for setting Sonic apart from everyone else, I totally agree that bounce bracelet deserves more love, it’s very fun to spam and if you watch a TAS of SA2 the way it utilizes the bounce bracelet to speed through stages is freaking insane! GamesCage Fadel came up with Aerial Taunts for Sonic too such doing the iconic Adventure 1 Pose, maybe he could also do the poses from the Advance 3 and Rush boxarts too.

Honestly I think it would be cool to have Tails as an Up B considering if he won’t be playable. It would work like K Rool’s Up B but with Tails ig

I looked up Sonic Scissors. WTF MR THE ARTIST 😭😭

Used to love playing as sonic in smash, never realised how bland it was haha

making boost a move is definitely fun but idk if f-smash is the right place for it, especially if it would require a meter i’d have it on side special personally it’d have a short windup (insert super peel out) then consume a chunk of meter and send you out but if you hold b you can continue boosting, continually draining meter until you let go/run out in the air it would become an air dash, effectively the same as the ground version but without the option to keep boosting as for replacing f-smash, some sort of roundhouse heel kick would probably be fitting (if lacking on the reference front) also insta-shield for nair.

WE'RE MAKING IT OUT WITH THIS MOVESET RAAAAH

Sonic having a spike as his foward air should not be a thing.

Alroght I love those picks, I've thought about this for years myself. Every KZfaqr I have seen make one of these packs the video full of moves from Frontiers, I appreciate see variety in yours! Tho i love Sonic's dumb ass Sonic Fighters punch!

i think that your "ideal" moveset is pretty good,i like the inspiration and everything and i have a little question:would sonic's bounce attack work off stage like his actual down air or like simon/richter's down air where when he hits an opponent he bounces up ?

Instead of the trick system being a mechanic I'd actually really like it to be a taunt, where he jumps up and quickly does 3 poses

2:56 Not really. It’s a fusion of both the modern and classic springs. The shape of Classic and details of Modern. I think they wanted to make Sonic a unification of his Classic and Modern counterparts. Which I like the idea of. And it’s probably why his side and down specials functions a little like they do in Modern and Classic respectively. It is primarily Classic Sonic representation.

he look like digbar

6:37 I’d prefer Sonic using a Blue Tornado from Heroes. Since it’s a wind based move.

Ideas: Standard Special: Homing Attack/Homing Kick(Lost World) Side Special: Spin Dash/Drop Dash Up Special: Cyclone Kick Neutral Air: Wind Attack/Insta-Shield Side Smash: I dunno. The Boost IS cool, but I'd say it's more Blaze than it is Sonic. Final Smash: Light Speed Attack, not Super Sonic.