Game devs one year after release: "Best we can do with the PS5 Pro is 720p 60 fps"

Bottom left Bruce Willis, Bottom right Villan, Top is the real Boss.

UE5 VRS is luminance based (commands give the end user some control on the luminance curve that adapt the VRS mask). Unfortunatly, it's also currently broken with Nanite new compute shaders (from 5.4). We can still use it per material without the luminance mask (ie: enabling reduced rate shading on background objects like vistas is a great way to use it).

We are very grateful for the smaller size of the unit, but we do not want it to be at the expense of operating noise. The thing that impressed me the most about the PS5 is how quiet it is no matter what game I am playing.

Clicked just to see Rich's happy smile in the thumbnail. Keeping it wholesome DF.

Probably the reason they use the same dev kit case is because they were testing the pro in it’s infancy next to the standard 5s development. I remember Mark Cerny said commercial PS5 I/O bandwidth is 17.38gbps with kraken and oodle and an absolute in house max of 22gbps and that number is probably from the Pro dev kit they were testing. They wanted a dual gpu but that hardware for the 5 for the same price wasn’t able to really utilize the dual gpu so expect something to that extent in future generations.

As an Xbox fan, it’s so ridiculous that developers will have to develop for 4 teraflop machine all the way to a 33 teraflop machine 🤦🏻‍♂️. They might as well just drop the Xbox version if they can’t cram it onto the series S…

If the PS5's lack of vrs caused developers to ignore the feature, why have devs embraced raytracing that far exceeds what the PS5 can handle? I think it's more likely upscaling gives them more bang for the buck than vrs, and vrs doesn't work well with upscalers. Upscalers are familiar and easy to implement.

The full DX12 feature set probably just comes from upgrading to an RDNA 3 GPU, it would have cost Sony more to remove those features. It's not necessarily something developers are going to use when they're still developing for the base PS5 first.

60 fps should be a set in stone standard by now,even if it means baked in lighting which I’ve seen many gorgeous games with baked in lighting.

Putting it short, we can wait a considerable upgrade ralated to graphical quality (resolution and RT), not necessarily framerate, unless frame generation comes in place.

I have no idea what Rich is saying but I love all the Nerd Talk!

Waiting for the Pro to play a ton of games running poorly on the base system.

I'm equally interested in how well fame developers will optimize their games with the newer hardware. This will be the first time Sony has 2 levels of performance on consoles. In multi platform games, history suggests that having more powerful hardware doesn't always equate to well optimized performance.The One X vs Ps4 pro and series x vs ps5 illustrates this.

We don't need a console, we need games. Where are all the damn games.

If this is going to improve vr performance, I'd be tempted. Specifically gt7, shame Sony is giving up on vr, so I'm not sure I want to invest any further with that

Im not into all the technology stuff but would or can the pro enhance gt7 and VR2 in anyway? Like less pop in or ray tracing in game play?

Digital Foundry I’m surprised you guys didn’t explain RNDA3 architecture. Because it doubles its Teraflop count. In reality the PS5 Pro has 16 Teraflops of performance not 33 Teraflops. Which is why the GPU is only %45 more powerful. Along with its bandwidth going from 448bit to 672bit. PS5 raytracing was equivalent to a RTX 2060. So a 3x performance increase should mean RTX 3070 level raytracing performance. PS5 GPU is in the middle of a RX 5700 and RX 6700. PS5 Pro GPU is %45 faster so RX 7700 is its equivalent. The CPU is the exact same just a %10 clock speed increase. So still equivalent to a Ryzen 5 3600. The PS5 Pro will be limited by its slow CPU as well as memory bandwidth/speed.

Does this model come with 1tb

Will it be bigger than base ps5? That thing will be huge 🗼

This is not a 36 teraflops compared to say 10.3 on the base PS5 due to different architecture. I think it's supposed to be 45% more powerful on the GPU which makes this more of a 15-18 teraflop console.

I would like for it to be designed such that its easy to carry and put wherever I want. It crazy I need a separate stand for PS% to just "Stand"

I feel like we need more news of new game engines that can actually use the horsepower rather than just increase the horsepower

I finally get it. He reminds me of the guy from "Blacklist" the tv show😂😂😂😂.

I thought Alex cam was froze for a sec the was looking down for a minute and it wasn't changing.

don't even care about the video rich is just so cute in the thumbnail

How much longer does base ps5 have left....I've only just saved up and bought one!

Olie should definitely try running ASMR channel! His voice is SOOOOOOO calming. :D

It's still a console. There is no way the ray tracing in the Pro will be a game changer for consoles. Ray tracing is still killing 4080's,7900XTX's and strains the 4090's to some extent in 4k gaming.

I think VRS is the worst DX12 Ultimate feature. In almost all games, it noticably degrades the image quality for only 5% extra performance. Or in other games where the VRS implementation is not noticable it improves the performance by only 1%. I was actually happy that the base PS5 did not ship with VRS Tier 2 HW because of this. Also it does not play well with upscalers, especially FSR2.

Everyone is treating the ps5 pro like its a next gen console. The ps4 pro and one x also have minor cpu upgrades, they need to keep it similar for compatibility. Also, 95% of PS5 games already run at 60 fps, so i don't know where the 30fps is coming from.

Expect $100-150 price premium over base PS5. And what will it really do beyond the base PS5? More stable 60fps, improved ray tracing and bump ups for 1080p to a middle resolution and PSSR to 4k. Essentially just an improved experience, but dont expect real improvements like 240fps, frame generation, 21:9 support some kind of new technologies

I just want to be able to play games with RT at 60. Tried playing the Witcher 3 recently but with RT mode on it’s nearly unplayable. But, the game looks 10 times better with RT on. Sucks basically being forced to play games using performance mode with dumbed down lighting.

I am afraid the PS5 Pro is going to be another vacuum cleaner by Sony - like the PS4 Pro is/was.

For example, 2.35 GHz can be available using 18 cu and will be available for PS5 games without enhanced support.

Mostly excited for Psvr2 enhancements. 120fps 4k Native lets go!!

What does this mean for GTA 6? Would it reach 60 fps???

Instead of focusing on better graphics, focus on better mechanics and gameplay.

I lament the loss of valuable creative talent in the gaming industry who could potentially harness the power of PS5 Pro before they got fired this year. The implementation of more intrusive monetization in future game releases does not require ray tracing.

I want the dev kit box, looks much cooler than the fat but squished notebook look of retail

They need to hurry up and drop that joint.

I'm honestly suprised how a semi decent pc that i bought in 2021 ( ryzen5 3600 + rx6600) is still good enough for me in 2024 to the point that i cannot justify buying an upgrade just for gaming. I have tons of great indie titles + tons of aaa titles from the past in my backlog. Even if i wanted to play all of the games i would have to plan them out for like 2 years straight. AAA really does nothing for me anymore. Even stuff like Alan wake 2 did not make me go and buy new hardware to be able to play it at 60 fps

We still get 2D games, and ps4 is still more than enough for 2D games, right?

I’m kinda meh on the Pro. What ultimately I want with this kind of investment is Dolby Vision. Give me that and I’m in.

I'm new to PC side things but I looked up my graphics card is a 4070ti super it said have around 45 teraflops just can't see a PS5 being close power I got a 7800x3d CPU so not sure if use that also calculate teraflops power I've had normal PS5 my PC lot more powerful

I'm mostly hoping for 144hz support

So naughty dog will miss all of PS5 standalone life span, while insomniac released 3 and gearing up for the 4th..

I dont understand why they don't seem happy. They seem almost being force to talk about the pro. Really don't understand why

There is no official co firmation as of right now

If they manage to upgrade quality modes from 30 to 60 and performance modes from 60 to 120 FPS (given the CPU limit is not an issue) I would be so happy. Also low drs games with unstable 60 FPS clean ups would be great.

To be honest the only thing we need to know is that there hasn't been a single underperforming Playstation console ever, not once in 30 years. Track record baby.

Rumors are just hyping up ps5pro real specs will be like R5 5600+6800 its not going to be faster than this thats it🍆

Can’t wait to play sea of thieves on the pro

Is it really that hard to make console with mere rtx 4070ish level around $500 in 2024? I don't think so. 😢

how much will be cost ps5 pro ?

it won't be anywhere near 33 teraflops. it will be 25 teraflops at the very most but most likely closer to 20teraflops

I just want a 4K 45/60 FPS Full Ray Traced mode for The Witcher 3 (Current version only has RTGI and RTAO, i want also RT reflections and RT Shadows in Ray Tracing mode)

The existing PS5 is a 10.28-teraflop console, but comparing teraflops directly between these consoles is complicated due to changes in AMD’s RDNA architecture. While it sounds like tripling the teraflops would be a significant performance increase on the GPU side, comparing the base PS5 and PS5 Pro would be closer to 10.28 teraflops vs. around 17 teraflops. It’s basically a 70% increase in power, so will equate to 20-25% performance increase. Really not worth the wait. Would need 2x performance or 100% increase for minimum 60fps on quality modes keeping resolution the same as well as details. All smokes and mirrors marketing jargon. Neither wonder consumers end up disappointed.

Waiting to hear something official from Sony but rumoured specs aren't appealing. Also disappointed in Sony because its lack of support for the PSVR2. Not in a rush to give them any more money.

So this console can run the games 4k 60 like the previous consoles promised? This upscaling needs to stop it's destroying image quality!!!

I want and need that PS5 pro to enjoy GTA 6 properly, while pc guys watching gameplay on youtube at least for two years most likely.

Any info on if the PRO will have full HDMI 2.1?

How many fucking ads ?! Fuck !

got the x box series x sold my series s dont need a ps5 pro i will probably buy the next gen x box or playstation if im still living

The spec of the GPU is similar to RX 7800 XT (60 CU's) and 4 MB L2 cache but bigger L1 cache than RX 7800 XT (256 KB instead 128 KB ) and lower clock speed (2350 Mhz instead 2430 Mhz ) also added RT core from RDNA 4 plus Sony's proprietary Neural Processing unit for ML upscale . My prediction it will be on par with RTX 4070 Super a kind with how PS5 performs which is on par and slightly better than RTX 2070 Super.

How much ...% difference between PS5 and the PS5 PRO for 499 ??? What do you all think ?

I can’t afford to keep updating hardware. How about some games and paying the people that make those games rather than laying them all off at the drop of a hat.

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Games on average run better on ps5 if not the exact same as series x, despite being less powerful.. So Id assume that Sony engineers know what they are doing and we will definitely see improvements in performance both hardware and software base. Plus, if its competitively priced to current consoles, who would bother to buy a series x at all anymore. Its a win win for sony im sure!

It's weird how so many channels are just talking about numbers instead of games.... You can't play numbers.

Looking forward to the ps5 pro 😊hope it comes out Xmas 🎄 time

okay so big question will this push 60fps in games that are locked at 30 now??? how many frames we looking at that’s all that matters in sorry but that’s a true next gen goal…

Honestly the more I hear about the more this supposed ps5 pro the more I think that this isn’t meant to be a true pro level option to exist alongside the existing ps5 but rather a slightly improved model that’s better at doing what the original ps5 set out to do. I wouldn’t ever be surprised if they didn’t call it pro and just go with something like new ps5 or something. More similar to a new 3ds than ps4 pro.

shame that xbox already have these features and they r not using it in most games

So VRS used by AI could be a game changer !

They are selling us consoles with no games 😂

does that dude has lipstick and eyeliner on?

People want consoles for $500 to do what a 4090 $4000 pc does and even the 4090 struggles with 4k full RT 60fps games The problem I see with this generation console is the lack of good games IMHO

PS5 pro doesn't make sense. No reason to buy it unless a small jump in performance is THAT important. Its not.

I still dont get these pro versions of consoles... Like hiw many do the expect to sell? Most devs wont even utilize the better specs other then sony exclusives.

Personally, nothing about these console upgrades entices me at all. Do these spec increases make anyone inclined to upgrade or "switch" over to consoles?

nahh im keeping my rtrx4080 pc

Great we have a beautiful scenic house, but it's empty

Seriously, all these people doubting Mark Cerny is insane. He made the ps5 with less power on paper, then the xbox and all the games run better on ps5. Guy knows what he is doing

Very noice

The problem with gaming industry : real target is 13 to 23 years old. A 14 year old today was born in 2010. Witcher 3 is still an amazing game which debuted in 2015. At 5 years old one cant enjoy a game like witcher 3 or rdr2.. you need to be at least 18 to understand the half of the game. Now at 2024 (NOW) that kid is 14 and will play the w3 and rdr2. These are must play games. Like bioshock or mw2 etc. There already many high fidelity relatively new amazing classics. Thats why they are doing ladt of us part II remake lol. Last of us and part 2 are still new. So is god of war (2018).. So they cant flood the market with too many AAA games... im sorry lads im 29 years old but we are not the target group any more. Most of the gamers are young people. Our age group plays either fifa, cod or similar games... So ps5 pro is good news. Because classic games remakes will look better Vr2 will get better quality and experience. Also dont forget that ps5 base has rdna2 and 1st gen weak RT. Newer games already push the ps5 to its limits. We need a mid gen refresh. As there wont be so many new games. Dont expect ps6 to launch at 2027... they will hang on with ps5 and ps5 pro for a while (longer than ps4). So for gaming industry ps5 pro is very critical and should be good.. I was also 6 7 ywars old when mafia 1 was released . I played it last year (2020 remake) Amazing game so was mafia 2 remaster. Many of the kids need to play older good games. No?

Feels too early for a pro.. Not enough games pushing the PS5

Gamers: We want 60 fps. Sony: Ok here's raytracing and fake resolutions. Incredibly stupid and there is little reason why the regular PS5 couldn't support a simpler version of PSSR via software update. Horizon Forbidden West already solved image reconstruction in a single patch so why reinvent the wheel? Make it a universal API accessible to anyone and call it a day.

MSAA is the only kind of AA that looks good and actually improves the image… why don’t we get it anymore? Every game forces this TAA garbage that makes it look like trash, and it grinds my gears

All poonies be like..... "Its being betterer then an 4090 graphucs curd"! 😂

On the bright side, xbots can tape together a few series X(tinct) or S(oup) and presto: PS5 Pro at home. 😂 PlayStation! ☝🏻

Sony take my money. ❤

$600 for RT upgrade🤣🤣🤣🤣

I'm still fine with my Switch and PS4.

Lol at the idiot saying we need more games 🤷🏻‍♂️ where have you been mate ?

need games dont need consoles 😅

Here is the thing. There is no reason why 60 fps should not be possible for most games on PS5 at least in the 50fps range at 720p at the worst situation. This leaves the pro to at least due it’s thing by increasing resolution AND having the upscaling chip to make 60fps games look decent instead of garbage.

You want a PS5 pro then go buy the PC that has the 4090 graphics card there is your PS5 pro the PC is ahead of consoles when the PS5 becomes a Pro PC will even go higher your better in buying a PC if you care about power

All that extra power to still be playing last gen games

All that power for what ? Theres no games. I wont buy a ps5 pro to play ps4 title.