😂😂😂😂

Ikr so much crying for their biased nature 😂

Finally Dragon Ball Fans stop being annoying

22:14 Uncertainty

You just won the comment section GG

Was there myself and I can 100% agree it was funny af

It was really funny

I mean at first I'm like why are they bringing up super heroes Goku in this..... Then I realize they are bringing one of the more busted superman which dosent matter anymore since they are all cannon to the main superman now.

They missed where flash hit supes with a infinity mass punch one of both their best moves and this a hair below FTL punch nearly killed supes and broke flash arm. It brings into question why their best attack is at a hair below FTL and they are always seen by human eyes and given time trravel dc was originally what happens at FTL makes sense why the infinite mass punch is 1 hair below but even if we let that go it still means they can't use it unless moving below FTL showing combat is below FTL but mainly it shows a punch that's less than light speed can nearly kill supes and if a punch below light speed can nearly kill supes all goku punches are septillions times the speed of light sadly death battle includes plot armor and only uses the one time they did this type of battle I don't care what supes did one time with plot armor I care about how he is most the time. Sadly finding out flash nearly killed him with a single hair below light speed punch makes supes mega lose now he loses at speed strength and durability abilities hell goku outclassed supes in ever way other than that goku has reverse plot armor and must lose and supes is plot armor so must win but plot armor doesn't apply outside their own story , I mean if a hair slower than FTL weak punch can nearly kill supes then fuck fighting goku he needs to worry about Hercule pr videl or yamucha all who have survived attacks far stronger than a punch that a hair below light speed lol I mean Hercule survived a attack millions times stronger than what nearly killed supes lmao

​@@ryanolionheart1325You're coping. With that logic Superman easily wins because Goku died to a laser and the battlefield for the tournament power is at most the size of Belgium. Also normal humans always dialog about what's happening in Goku's fights.💀

Lol

Facts people mad because some panel makes superman broken... because he had to do it to save people or defeat villian.

Lmao fr though😂

fr i was eyerolling so hard, like what do you want them to do? just ignore superman's canon and lowball him to superman 2 the movie or something?

@@KipaYumiyawell I mean to be fair they didn’t use the full power of this goku either still lol

Lol

i said the same thing lol. BUT i do HEAVILY agree and have always my whole life said what he says at 18:00 and ESPECIALLY the bit at 22:35 which is why i just cant like supes as a character or any dc comic outside the flash

The research is Goku is a mostly consistent fighter following a plot of escalating power levels. meanwhile superman is written by a different writer every other year all with varying understandings or desires for his powerlevel. superman is as strong as the plot needs him to be. Goku will surive until he's strong enough to beat his opponent.

​@@SageO6PathzGON Wut flash effortlessly goes through time all the time.

​@@SageO6PathzGONlmao Flash is as busted as Supes is

This Death Battle felt very respectful. Honestly speaking, it's a top 5 of all time because of the lore around it.

It was more wholesome than the Goku vs Superman 2 death battle

@@TheShadow1347 yeah I felt like they kinda did Goku dirty in the second one. Frying his brain felt like such a disrespectful way to go out.

@@Vierdro I mirror this sentiment. Goku v. Supes 2 was so bad and felt like a middle finger from the Death Battle Team during that time.

@@themasterblaze7563yeah and it stands as Ben’s least favorite episode (voice of Wiz and writer)

Super Boy Prime's feats are so ridiculous they're actually hilarious. He traumatized the Green Lantern Corps so hard their non-sentient rings learned fear. He punches his way out the Phantom Zone and the shockwave singles out Beast Boy to baby shake his entire history. One guy with the ability to copy any powers tried to copy Super Boy's and he just said, "Wrong." And it just works, the guy can't copy his powers. Kid needs a Death Battle himself one day.

@@willbrown6298 You just put on a shirt that has a lightning bolt. Intimidation win.

@@if7723 FTSD is powerful man lol

@@willbrown6298 Have they done a Speedster Death Battle? I'm curious who the opponent would be because the Speed Force is literal playground rules "nuh uh" bullshit personified.

@@if7723 Yup. It's funny because it's actually one they seem to reference the most. Flash vs Quicksilver. Then there was Reverse Flash vs Goku Black. I don't have to tell you which ones massacred their opponents.

Honestly same. Superman just has that affect on people.

I think I’ve always like Superman more then Batman. He just appeals to me more as hopeful and good hearted hero.

durrrrr if you think goku could win you are an edgy batman fanboy and ackshually i learned in a creative writing class that superman is a better character than guaku so he would win because likeability is totally relevant to versus battles

I mean, you are right, but its also frustrating that to be able to know his whole story you have to read vagintillion comic books and try to piece together dozens of timelines, writen by over 100 different writers. Also Superman became the status quo, the meassuring stick of whats justice and good, and I think that is what made it unnappealing to the younger generations, whose whole thing is being rebellious regardless of the generation. He is what our parents wished they could be, so that made it less appealing to the sons and the sons of their sons. Plus, not everyone is abel to catch the essence of what superman is, and go on him being a source of strenght, instead of a source of morality. I can see both sides, of people who like him and people who dont. And I understand people who are too overwhelmed and dont want to dabble in something they wont be able to experience completely, myself included.

I think the Justice League animation series really does him justice.

Goku actually only wins a fight via a new transformation once in all of dragonball. SSJ2, SSJ3, SSJ God and blue all happen without him using them to win and he loses his fight with Jiren.

Yeah it makes way too much sense there's somehow managed to make it fit into both of their characters. For Superman this would just be a fun way to let loose every now and then for Goku it would be like the ultimate training partner, It fits way too well almost as if they were writen for this from the beginning

True and it also trains superman as although goku isn't strong enough to win he is strong enough to give him some excessive

​@@erikburzinski8248and a way for superman to "learn" more techniques from goku

​@@DarkPagantrue

@@erikburzinski8248 Goku more than strong enough to win, Death Battle is biased garbage filled with lies.

likely cuz Goku told Supes about the Dragonballs...an was liek 'eh, if either of us die...we'll wish the other back, simple!' From there death becomes less serious and more...an inconvenience.

Cuz it makes no sense

@@MiguelNava-qy2sk have you read a Superman comic?

@@MiguelNava-qy2sk here is an easy way to understand it. Superman is capable of doing anything and has no limits.

No surprise it seems like everyone is a Goku D sucker it’s ridiculous.

Yeah, that's what I observed in most reaction to this when it comes to huge Dragon Ball fans. I don't blame them for doing it, but then they turn a blind eye and a dead ear when it comes to Superman.

Superman has almost a century of crazy feats😂almost no character can compare really

No it's just that superman continuity is a mess. Some dude 30 years ago writes that superman is infinitly fast and that just makes everything pointless. And he then gets hurt by some spikes by some dude. No modern story that has superman adheres to those obscure feats. I mean those are all technically all canon but are in effect totally irrelevant and retconed in the story by never being used.

​@@gilgabro420 Yeah that's what bothers me too about comparing any characters to comic characters. They are in consistent and have a ton of "Quantum" or the bull crap science explanations for stuff that make their actual powers mean that nothing can stand up to them

I really don't think nux investigated well since if he did, he would of read when superman defeated world forger or when he punched anti monitor, defeated a doomsday full of krponite and so many more xd

@@kyordannydelvalle523 "Taking it literally..." He means like him being able to blitz Darkseid and drop him off at the source wall in an instant, i.e. the edge of the universe and this is a thing he's done multiple times.

I mean he’s a weirdo with an anime avatar. You could tell he’s a loser

@@kyordannydelvalle523 wait superman defeated that doomsday infused with kryptonite?

@@asdasd-dm1hd Yeah, he did.

IKRRRRRRR

A lot of them are flat out one sided so you alternate know who’ll win

Yeah i already know Superman was going to win and so what. The animation, the wholesomeness, the fucking music, the ending everything was incredible. Deathbattle should be proud of themselves for this honestly.

​@@kingwickIt's like the Omni-man vs Homelander episode. Everyone knew Homelander was gonna get folded like a lawn chair, but everyone enjoyed the fight because it was very entertaining and cathartic to watch (only replace catharsis with wholesomeness in this situation).

I figured Superman was going to have a 3rd win. Sure, I'm team Goku, but after the last two... I just didn't care and figured Clark would win. But if Goku won, cool.... but they basically made them bffs. And I appreciated that

It will inevitably happen lol

Not biased at all

Lifting infinity ≠ Striking Strength

⁠@@markforge4081okay, but let’s pretend that your striking power is 1/10000000th of your max deadlift… What’s 1/10000000th of infinity?

I think it's like the fight between Boros and Saitama.

@@Sacta-dd6fq quite a bit more casual but the same spirit

supes could finally go all out knowing that they can wish it all back with the dragon balls

​@@supremefankai5480superman and Goku are far stronger than Saitama and boros, what are you saying?

@@davidadunola7867 i just agreed with the similar motivations, between the powerful guy who wants a challenge and the guy who is so powerful it's hard to get satisfaction from fighting anymore.

For comparison, for anyone who has read Harry Potter, the Order of the Phoenix is the longest book in the series, and it's around 250k words in length. The Philosopher's Stone is the shortest book in the series, at about 76k words. So for his notes to be 400k words, he would have had to have written the Order of the Phoenix and two Philosopher's Stones.

How long did it take?

​@@juanito46101 they've been working on the research for nearly a year now.

Ultraguy is the person that did both research and had a blog detailing all his research

@@juanito46101 Since 2020 so 3 years

I mean, considering that goku has shook the world of void, which is stated to be infinite, and he moved in frozen time. So, with those feats, he could technically one-shot anyone. But we don't really use them because they were either mentioned in only one scene or because it's unfun to do it that way.

​@smallertoast8806 The problem is Superman has feats that exceeds even those feats and Nux isn't able to cope.

31:49 This is why I always thing every time they make Superman win it's just BS. That wasn't even remotely a feat, 4yo gohan did that too, but it's treated as if it's cool. Destroying the moon? Roshi did it in DB Destroying planets? Even Vegeta on his first appearance was already capable of that "But superman can do bigbangs if he punches hard enough", and the only reason vanilla Goku God mere existense isn't breaking the universe is because he is preventing it from happening. Superman has been hurt by mortal means several times, if his peak feats as written by several different writers somehow count into a single total, then his weaknesses do too, just like how Goku was hurt by a laser because he had powered off his Ki. If this wasn't BS'd to favor Superman, Goku should be able to do a single clean punch through his chest without even God Ki.

​@@tumamaencosplayThat's just the fight...

@mongooseunleashed what has Superman done that surpasses shaking infinity?

Indeed

between this, Courage vs Scooby and Bill Cipher vs Discord they've been nailing the endings to these fights

all might vs might guy

Facts 💯🔥🔥

This and Discord vs Bill are easily my favorites!

And even then 99% of it was probably coming from Beerus lmao 18:53

​@@diegolaradiaz8948 exactly lol

And it make more sense by being faster than infinity.

@@diegolaradiaz8948No, it’s explained that Goku needed to match Beerus’s punching force, otherwise, universal-kaboom. If that punch was ‘99% Beerus’, then the universe would’ve boomed. The entire point is that Goku matched Beerus in that clash.

Sadly true even with the facts

31:49 This is why I always think every time they make Superman win it's just BS. That wasn't even remotely a feat, 4yo gohan did that too, but it's treated as if it's cool. Destroying the moon? Roshi did it in DB Destroying planets? Even Vegeta on his first appearance was already capable of that "But superman can do bigbangs if he punches hard enough", and the only reason vanilla Goku God mere existense isn't breaking the universe is because he is preventing it from happening. Superman has been hurt by mortal means several times, if his peak feats as written by several different writers somehow count into a single total, then his weaknesses do too, just like how Goku was hurt by a laser because he had powered off his Ki. If this wasn't BS'd to favor Superman, Goku should be able to do a single clean punch through his chest without even God Ki.

@@tumamaencosplayyou know the fight is just for animation right? Hell Dragon Ball even works by this logic You have an uncontrolled Broly somehow only making craters in the surface of the planet despite being easily universal A flicker animation of universes constantly exploding isn’t fun to watch….

Goku is just a better character then Superman. Nothing Super man could do can compare to the awesomeness that was Super Saiyan!

@@joeskys2362 💀💀💀

@thiscityisreallylookslikea8340 Most of the goku fans have never picked up a comic book to be fair tho, let alone actually read a Superman one. They just know of Superman and some things he does but don't actually know the man of steel

@thiscityisreallylookslikea8340 I'm not familiar with that character even though I am with some of the fate series, interesting. My personal favorite character to throw at others from anime/manga is sinbad from magi, I don't think anyone from dragonball can touch him. Maybe down the line that could change, but currently, I don't believe they could.

@thiscityisreallylookslikea8340 same, but I personally find entertainment through the arguments and debates, but I'm just not a fan of the choice of giving characters non Canon feats but not the other character. All in all, it's fun to argue/debate but with people who are knowledgeable on both characters

That was pretty brutal lol

Superman solos simple as that

Nice to see someone finally accepting the truth I'm a fan of both while superman teaches us how to be a good person and do the right thing no matter what is great. While goku teaches us to surpass our limits that there is always another wall to break. Both teach us to never give up.

hellsing has a better dub than dragon ball but sean schemmel is in the running for one of the best anime va's of all time

. . . they arent even using all of gokus feat they even nerfed some

@@ghostslord-23 you can pull all of Goku feats Even Cc and Xeno goku from Heroes and they still don’t stack up to Superman 🥱 Cope

@@CarrieBearCards34 base goku can tank an attack able to destroy infinite timelines 🥱 cope

It's because they don't like Superman. That simple.

Exactly all that bching and complaining from this so called "non barrier of toxicity fanbase" they get away with so much lying its ridiculous

Exactly.

I mean I see plenty of superman fans do the same thing. Both sides of this debate are so toxic it is annoying.

Both boring as fuck tbh

The issues is they are giving that superman feats and powers he doesn't have nor did alone nor that version has.

​@@benmccoy6417They literally explained why the main line superman is canonically the same character through the ages, cope harder.

31:49 This is why I always think every time they make Superman win it's just BS. That wasn't even remotely a feat, 4yo gohan did that too, but it's treated as if it's cool. Destroying the moon? Roshi did it in DB Destroying planets? Even Vegeta on his first appearance was already capable of that "But superman can do bigbangs if he punches hard enough", and the only reason vanilla Goku God mere existense isn't breaking the universe is because he is preventing it from happening. Superman has been hurt by mortal means several times, if his peak feats as written by several different writers somehow count into a single total, then his weaknesses do too, just like how Goku was hurt by a laser because he had powered off his Ki. If this wasn't BS'd to favor Superman, Goku should be able to do a single clean punch through his chest without even God Ki.

​@benmccoy6417 you didn't watch the video

Its honestly wack

Honestly superman's one of the ones that is more consistent. power scaling in general is so inconsistent and super confusing when you think about it for more than 5 seconds, mostly because it's not what the creators have in mind when creating stories or games.

well but the thing is people are attacking dragon ball for consistensy but the thing is in this death battle they did som they shouldn't do they bringed xeno goku and cc goku to the equation which made their caculation go wrong and goku wins so they never actually bringed xeno goku's true feats LOL they scaled goku so badly it was hard to watch at least the animation was good I guess

Death Battle used a composite-version of Superman and Goku which don´t exist in any continuity but without even giving them their full powers. Dragonball Super Goku would oneshot most mainline-Supermans. When Death Battle says: "Goku would beat almost all versions of Superman except the main one.", they weren´t actually talking about one of the ACTUAL main-Superman-versions, they were talking about a composite-version of Superman which they created themselves by combinind feats from multiple different mainline-Superman-versions. If we used an actual composite-version of both mainline-Supermans and I guess DBS-Goku and Dragonball Heroes Goku, Goku would win in a literal instant. Not only did Death Battle claim that Heroes Goku and canon Goku were basically the same, they also downplayed Heroes Goku to justify that. A composite-mainline-Superman could threaten time and space with his strength and travel through time by focusing all of his strength into his speed. A composite-Goku (aka. DBS Goku and Heroes Capsule Corps Goku) could destroy an infinite number of timelines in his base-form, and that in a literal instant. All Dragonball-movies are canon in Heroes even if they contradict eachother, that´s the kind of universe Heroes is. In the Metal Cooler movie, Goku and Cooler fight at speeds that surpass Goku´s Instant Transmission, a teleportation-technique which teleports him literally in an instant. Base-Xeno Goku (who is shown to be comparable if not slightly weaker to Capsule Corps Goku) is able to travel to alternate timelines with raw speed alone. Xeno Goku also fights a character named Shroom who´s attacks ignore time and space itself and hit their opponent instantly regardless of whether Shroom´s strike itself physically connects with his opponent.

@@ancapcitizen8266 your entire comment is meaningless since in canon rn Superman is a Pseudo composite character (the tamer versions)..... Also if you want to bring up xeno and heroes Goku then supes 1 mil, milk man and Cosmic superman(thought robot) should be added into the convo and they would bully Goku👍🏾

@@r3ktfox146 Milkman is fodder, he didn't survive the multiverse being erased, in fact he was the only one who stayed dead after it was destroyed. Cosmic Armor is most likely only Complex-multiversal and has no plot-manipulation whatsoever. His powers are limited to his ability to grow stronger and adapt to his opponent's strength and even that ability has limits as we can clearly see when he is damaged beyond repair by Mandrakk and dies after their fight. Superman 1 Million has no feats. Is he a "pseudo-composite character" or a "composite-character"? And can you prove that he actually posesses every single ability from every mainline-Superman who has existed? And honestly I think DBS Goku would still beat that Superman most of the time. Most mainline-Superman-versions at their peak are low-multiversal while Base-Goku is casually low-multiversal. The only scenario in which I can see Superman winning is if he somehow manages to buy enough time to accelarate to immeasurable speed, which would take him several pages as we see in Pre-Crisis, and time-travel to a point in time before the fight and catch Goku off-guard or something.

​@@ancapcitizen8266 bro still highballing Goku even after he lost. Superman is faster and stronger than Goku. He doesn't need to catch him off guard. Supermans punches alone can obliterate Goku. Since Goku isn't even universal in durability, Superman can easily just punch right through him.

@@JohnnytheFunny Ok, normally I would just say: "You literally didn't bring up any kind of evidence.", and leave. But you chose to go out of your way to make the dumbest Goku-lowball since the start of Super. You could've argued many things but you chose the most agreed upon, basic Goku-scaling fact in existence. The fact that Base-Goku has been universal to multi-universal since Battle of Gods.

The original Goku vs Superman was already the finale for that seasons and so it would be kinda exhausting to have this one as the finale again. It's quite fitting to have the next one be the most requested Death Battle matchups to end this season instead.

I think they wanted to avoid having 2 dragon ball finales in a row

Nothing says it can't. UI may look like a transformation, but it's more a mental and bodily harmony. He'd need to relearn it almost every level, but it is entirely possible in Kaioken. Of course, we're speaking peak of peak TMUI Goku here. And by time we get there, we know he's going to learn a new, more absurd trick. My ONLY complaint is that, well, they established Goku's scaled to that final Demigra, who could wipe out hundreds of thousands of universes/timelines. But that wasn't emphasized in the fight and only show him wiping out one universe like it was SSJG Goku.

@@katomamundara8106Timelines and Universes are not the same you clown. Goku loses regardless.

@@katomamundara8106 Destroying hundreds of thousands of universes wouldn't help against someone who can destroy a multiverse and also beat someone who can wipe out every universe ever, as well as the 5th dimension as World Forger could do.

@@katomamundara8106do you know the difference between a universe and a multiverse? Lmao you’re very confused aren’t you?

@@katomamundara8106 Superman can destroy a universe that is trillions times larger than Goku's universe I don't even know who demigra is but Goku cannot defeat someone who has that much power even if I love goku and don't really like superman much I can't go "Goku win. cuz goku good."

and they still got goku's scaling wrong

Honestly 😂

What do you mean? They haven’t done Superman vs Goku in 8 years.

@@gatorman4740 If you go to Superman vs Goku 2, you'd see people fighting/shitposting there for 8 years :)

I don’t think you watch death battle brother

All of them have not read superman whatsoever and what i get angry is people thinking he is just a mindless brawler when he as a character is way more interesting than goku. If only they read superman all star or superman vs the elite, they would see there are more naunce to superman character. I blame zack synder and the unjuistified hatred and ignorant of db fans that have not read one comic of superman in their damn life xd

​@@kyordannydelvalle523 same. I know people won't read those various comics anymore but i just hope the next superman movie captures superman. Easily my favorite superhero.

95% of Superman detractors dont read his stories.

​@@bobopatchnosuke229It's pretty funny though There's a reason even people with edgy writing like Garth Ennis and James Gunn have Superman as their favorite hero of all time. Heck, Hater of Everything, Alan Moore actually likes Superman; And hates how every other hero is just "Superman" or atleast trying to be.

Pretty obvious those that have bias favoritism towards anime/manga and never picked up a comic book in their lives surely have that kind of mindset.

😂

I just thought of something, wouldn’t that mean Superman would forcefully clap goku both ways 😭

The gay power won 😂

Goku is still fucked, but in a different way.

@@g.masterlordoftheg-force4770Lmfao 😂😂Yoo Chill

I didn't think it matters anymore besides knowing g9ku he'll keep fighting him until he get one win

And they'll finally let Goku get his W

@@Absolute_Crimson No. They pretty much definitively settled it with round 2 by saying that by the logic of both characters, no matter how strong Goku gets he'll always lose. But there *will* be a Goku vs Superman Round 4 at some point, because Death Battle's primary business is outrage peddling, to the degree that they're blacklisted from Dethroning Moment of Suck on TV Tropes, and Dragon Ball fans fall for it every single time.

@@HunterStiles651 Saying he will always lose is a stretch, There are multiple Versions of Goku who can beat him and there are some who can't.

@@Absolute_Crimson However, by DB's own rules, they take the characters at their strongest. They would have to intentionally break that rule and nerf the Superman that they select to give Goku a win. It would be like using the Superfriends version of Aquaman against Spongebob again, only this time, they would have to acknowledge that Goku couldn't win against Superman at his strongest, so they're offering up a weaker version of him, which would just be downright insulting to Goku as a whole.

bro really said "let me knock out a multiverse real quick" and went home to his nagging wife

​@@parry3439 I wouldn't use "quick" on that World Forger punch. DB was wrong when they said he flew, he didn't; Superman jumped, he had no energy for flight. His jump out of that world he was on to the closest sun, took thousands of years. And then he dipped through the suns and starts on the way to deliver the punch.

The match outcome they decided ahead of time their death battles are always bias and never truly following the power systems of each fighter. Just watch their other videos

​@@benmccoy6417dosent matter superman wins

​@@benmccoy6417what does this even mean? Db takes the characters at their best and put them on an even playing field

Fuck em! They were the replacements for the people of his multiverse. If they were created already then fuck em. Other than that I don't think there was anyone inhabiting the multiverse yet.

Didn’t they say the opposite

but you superman fna dont udnerstand the muliverse you say he punch ever braonci in the mulitvuerse no he dont jsut few as the mulverse is ifnfitne you can not be punhch throw ifnfitn it has no end dc dont no shit about fifntityn calling a book ifnfitnty but giveing ir in end then it not ifnfinte

@@ssjgotenks2009 learn to communicate/type before you try and comment bud

@@ssjgotenks2009 I have seen text in other languages more comprehensible than whatever this is. You need to have a dictionary, and maybe a parent, to help you with whatever happened here.

Actually, superman never does anything to the multiverse in the main canon story, those are all alternative futures thought, could be, but are not

Mange is literally demolishing comic books so that's why the majority of the people today hardly knows the lore of a single comic book character.

@@2Rhe_43 It's not clown, comics have been around longer and have cemented themselves into the fabric of our society. Manga is doing nothing that matters in comparison to comics.

@@Auron1Roxas2 The only thing that I don't like about marvel and DC is, their flagship characters like Spider-Man, Batman, Superman, Flash has been around for so long, yet they aren't even planning to end their stories.

Doom guy all the way Bro is so over the top god killer

​@@otakugamer616The warp would destroy him but he'd do pretty good before that

Then again, it depends if you take into account the lore or not, because even the og Doomguy had things that were ultra crazy. So it goes like this: 1- Doomguy gets obliterated. 2- The entire of WH40k gets obliterated.

@@benreilly4886I am a Doom scaler and I’ve got friends who scale Warhammer, I agree he can’t beat the warp cuz while he scales to higher dimensional shit That’s not shit to the warp being beyond dimensionality unless he learns how to use the warp energy then he can’t do shit. But he kinda solos the Material universe unless one of the Old Gods show up ofc

@@LeaderOfTheLostSouls The Emperor would slam too. And none of the Primarchs have any scaling to that degree so yeah.

They did but remember infinite ÷ 2 is still infinite

@xandan1668 Correct, so if you have two entities who's power is infinity in all categories except experience and powers, thos calculation is a lot different.

Unfornutaely, Vegeta mentions, in the Super manga I think, that Zenkai Boosts have provided diminishing returns at that point, so its no longer useful to have near death, or full death, experinces in battle.

​@michaeldennis8310 superman gets 3 times stronger every 15 mins under the sun. So if he was able to destroy 1000 planets in one punch in 15 mins he would be able to destroy 3000 and so on and so on

@godhimself688 @Mike_Dubo True, but we are still talking about diminishing returns on infinity. I would also like to bring in the original lore on Ki, which is that it is a spiritual force, not physical force, meaning it is in fact akin to magic, not brawn.

Well yeah that was the best one.

honestly still suprised this is still a debate. Superman is way too broken

Eren: NOTHING’S CHAAAAANGED !!!!!

Except that Superman does in fact have limits, as he's demonstrated countless times throughout his entire publication history. Said limits are subject to increase for little to no apparent reason far far too often as Superman is one of the worst superheroes in fiction, but they do exist. Any time Superman has been hit by a supervillain and actually hurt, there's a limit. Every time he's punched a villain and they are barely scratched, there's a limit. Every time he's been unable to burn something with his heat vision, there's a limit, and so on and so forth. Even at his worst written Superman has never just gone from 0 to infinity at the drop of a hat. Goku surpasses his limits with hard work. Superman surpasses his limits because the writers are hacks and ignore said limits in order to resolve the plot. For both, those limits still exist.

It's always interesting to wonder how much thought gets put into Superman's feats. Many of his most accomplishments are so insane they circle back around to being laughable.

Superman has a limit when the plot says he does.

Yea, they keep setting up Ww and Superman; Kingdom Come is the biggest example.

Yea that’s just how DB does their battles they use the general character instead of one particular one. Personally i think itd be more interesting to battle specific interations. Like dcau Superman vs namek goku

@@Saiyanking72 It is the only way to do if you are going to do this for a general audience. Cause because people bitch about them not using feats from new shit that are added after or during their research or databooks that are let's be real fucking stupid and just focus on the feats on the screen. This is the best of the worst option, just the most canon mainstream version.

It either be the 2 main Flashes or Hal Jordan.