Old Fram Extra Guard PH7317 Oil Filter vs. New Fram Extra Guard PH7317 Oil Filter Comparison

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Old Fram Extra Guard PH7317 Oil Filter vs. New Fram Extra Guard PH7317 Oil Filter Comparison

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Oil Filter Inspection.
Today we'll compare an Older Fram Extra Guard to a Newer Fram Extra Guard oil filter. Let's open them up and see what's inside!
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@dong_chim 4 ай бұрын

As another data point, Walmarts are stocking the Champion Labs e-core style Fram Extra Guards as of Mar 2024. I checked PH7317 and PH4967 and both had e-cores, blue bypass valves and nitrile ADBV. The dates on the boxes ranged from Dec 2023 to Feb 2024.

@WhipCityWrencher 4 ай бұрын

Thanks!👍

@GPz84 4 ай бұрын

Yep. Picked up an extra guard yesterday at WalMart and it was the new one.

@duesa2203 Ай бұрын

Interesting as 7/7/24 when I went to Walmart I checked the PH7317 out and it had louvers with a silicone ADBV and looks to be metal end caps I would want to say just because I’ve never seen them use louvers in the PH series but I may be wrong!

@PapiDoesIt Жыл бұрын

The newer Fram is definitely better constructed than the old Fram. Looks like maybe a Super Tech inside an orange can. It's probably the first Fram I would consider in the past couple of decades.

@daewooparts Жыл бұрын

I definitely take the newer FRAM over the older FRAM, rather have metal endcaps then the silicone ADV

@cameronwebb3959 Жыл бұрын

Ya I would just buy the super tech one that’s a couple dollars cheeper

@gizzyguzzi Жыл бұрын

Fram were good a few years ago. If you liked Wix filters a few years ago that is

@stevenbettez2017 2 ай бұрын

The new ones are made by Champ labs, now owned by Fram. They’re identical to the white Supertech filters. I haven’t seen them in my Walmart yet but I’ll be looking

@bradbyers7505 Жыл бұрын

I would love to be able to send the link to this channel to every manufacturer out there; and not just to someone on their public relations department. For SO LONG they have not had to worry about someone cutting open their products for comparative analysis. Way to hold them accountable! You rock, Whip!

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

Thanks Brad!👍

@RoadRacerGT 8 ай бұрын

The newer Fram is a Champ/Luberfiner made filter identical to Supertech. Both Fram and Luberfiner are owned by the same parent company. This is most likely a temporary supply chain substitution.

@kruelzombieful Жыл бұрын

Has anybody confirmed that Fram has changed styles 100%? It's been 3 months since this video came came out.

@toneyfamily1398 3 күн бұрын

Bought a supertech that was the old Fram design. Still have the old ones at our store.

@GT-mn3bx Жыл бұрын

I think E cores are a cost saving move. The core style isn't impeding any flow since the only restriction is the media. Cores flow more than the inner diameter of the stud mount anyway.

@CL-yp1bs Жыл бұрын

It cracks me up all the people talking down on Fram. the Fram orange can is a world of difference than a Fram Ultra. Fram offers products for all price ranges. I respect that. The ultra dominates in performance over every filter at any price except for special bypass filters.

@uglyhandgarage2927 Жыл бұрын

Looks like Champ Labs (Supertech,Acdelco )has the new contract for fram I like that!! I'm sure the reason for the nitro anti-drain bag valve is the same as the supertech not having one now either is probably being a supply issue with silicone!!

@ryanaddy1135 Жыл бұрын

They ripped off everyone for years with garbage filters. New one looks better but they're dishonest with the label about silicone. How can they be trusted? Love your content. ✌️

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Glad you liked the video👍

@lukesm5747 Жыл бұрын

G'day Whip. Great video as per usual.Shout out to Paul for his generosity. I would not use either of these filters and if I was desperate I would use the new fram for no more than 3000 miles tops. Happy New Year to you and all your viewers from Aust.

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Luke, Cheers!

@John-yf4ie Жыл бұрын

The last and final time I used a Fram Filter was back in 1991 on my Camaro. Fit great but after several minutes it began leaking at the seam. From then on I used the original AC Delco oil filter or a WIX.

@slothypunk Жыл бұрын

Leaking on the seams seems like, maybe, it is human error rather than the filter itself. I would bet on that 99 percent of the time!

@zipper978 8 ай бұрын

Sounds like you fucked up

@LowLevelNC Жыл бұрын

I have to say, i would definitely consider the new Fram. In a pinch. But hey, that's more credit than i used to give them. Glad they seem to be going in the right direction!

@stevel1475 Жыл бұрын

They finally changed those resin cardboard end caps. Years and years of people trashing the Extra Guard. Their filter media is exceptional, now they have end caps to match. I am happy to buy an Extra Guard again! Wonder if they are gonna change the OEM Honda and Subaru with metal end caps.

@jimhaines8370 10 ай бұрын

first one FRAM production second one is Champion labs production the E core is their signature, they are both fine but not a fan of nitrile rubber adbv's

@AGreedyTree Жыл бұрын

Wow Fram finally stepped up their game

@sakaraist Жыл бұрын

Interesting changes. However, the pricing is still a joke here in Canada. Can order in a WIX XP or Purolator one filter from the states for what they charge for a fram extra guard in stores here.I suppose that falls in line with the rest of our parts prices being outrageous here though.

@ellalamont6943 Жыл бұрын

How nice of Paul to send it to You! YaY to Paul! Great review! Indeed, interesting comparison. Thanks for sharing! 👍

@ellalamont6943 Жыл бұрын

If I were to choose, it would be the newer one for me. It has been improved with more inlet holes. Any improvement gets my vote. YaY to improvements and better quality filters! 👍

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Ella👍 and to Paul!😊

@Derek8487 Жыл бұрын

Ever since your Purolator tech video those are my budget filters of choice. Already have one installed on my wife's car. The new Fram eg looks solid though.

@drumtwo4seven Жыл бұрын

Newer one is better... Metal end caps Inner cage conducive to better flow Pressure relief valve design I prefer Nitrile ADBV meh overlook-able Seemed like a slightly improved design. But only time will tell tbh. Can't wait for some follow ups in the future 👍 Interesting 👍 I always use Fram ULTRA though

@AJmx2702001 Жыл бұрын

Been noticing the same thing you have shown us there. I actually had bought a few new fram heavy duty filter's and they are slapping a fram sticker and number on a luberfiner. And one instance i peeled the sticker off saw luberfiner. So hopefully next month I am going to stop down to the luberfiner champion labs facility in Albion IL and see if I can get a couple answers in a tour.

@GT-mn3bx Жыл бұрын

Interesting. We use some Luberfiner on some heavy equipment. Champ Labs since 1979.

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

Cool, let us know what you find out!👍

@crobb8653 Жыл бұрын

I would like to see another newer date coded extra guard to make sure the one purchased off Amazon wasn't just a knock-off given the major amount of changes. The sticker, what appears to be a nitride rubber ADBV, especially since they just switched to the silicone ADBV a year or so ago to increase the service life of the filter.

@dsmdriver2588 9 ай бұрын

This one was a counterfeit Fram. That's y

@RobertDickens2002 2 ай бұрын

Lol takes a counterfeit to be superior to the original.

@minivanin Жыл бұрын

The newer one sure looks identical to my Champ XL PH2867XL which is the same fitment. Ecore, nirtle valve, 13 holes, blue bypass, same shape dome on the can.

@davidsacco4860 Жыл бұрын

I like the newer one a little better despite the nitrile rubber drainback valve. The inner construction looks better. The newer Fram looks like a Champ filter also a Supertech. Maybe that is why they have a sticker instead of printing the name on the can.

@watchinglclowns9890 5 ай бұрын

Used Fram filters since 1979 Never A problem.....

@BamaTidefan1967 Жыл бұрын

Glad to see Fram finally started using metal end caps on this model! Kind of strange that they ditched the silicone ADV for the nitrile rubber but overall its a decent looking filter now. Thanks again!

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

You're Welcome, Frederick!

@freedomliberty7611 Жыл бұрын

Great job Pete

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Dwayne!

@captainwho1 8 ай бұрын

Great autopsies you do. Thanks! Could you send this video link by email to Fram customer service and ask them to find out if it was a counterfeit?

@WhipCityWrencher 8 ай бұрын

I will try but most of the time that I email any of these filter manufacturers, I never get a response. If I get a response I'll let you know, Thanks!

@dwendt44 Жыл бұрын

Newer one is a Champ Labs unit. Made under contract? Popular filter size you'd think Fram would make that one themselves.

@saskazaika Жыл бұрын

Thank you for reviewing this, good review and break down.

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

You're Welcome Alex👍

@stopatredlights Жыл бұрын

Great job Whip Man!

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@daewooparts Жыл бұрын

Looks like Paul & me got something in common, both from Staten Island & enjoy seeing oil filters going under the knife by Whip City Wrencher 👍 another great oil filter autopsy

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark!

@stevel1475 Жыл бұрын

The new Extra Guard looks like an AC Delco filter. Nylon center, inlet holes and also Delco has a sticker on their cans. Made by the same factory for AC Delco maybe... Also the filter media is not the same, the new one looks like Wix media style.

@anthonym5979 2 ай бұрын

If fram keeps this new filter I'll start back buying fram again I love the end caps and the nylon cages! 👍

@poolmotorrepairguyFL Жыл бұрын

Jay the Florida pool pump motor repair guy. When Service Calls Longwood approved ! that was good info 2 see& know👨‍🔧good job !! WCW

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Jay!

@poolmotorrepairguyFL Жыл бұрын

no thank you putting in the time !!! good work. W C W He's my filter GUY !

@bklynpaul Жыл бұрын

Nice video very good comparison 😊

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Paul, and Thanks for the oil filter!👍

@spankyham9607 Жыл бұрын

Champ / Supertech painted to look like a Fram to me. First time I have ever seen a Fram filter without a metal core. I wonder why they farmed their filters out to Champ. Can't beat em join em I guess! Thanks for the review!

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

Hi Spanky, The Fram Drive has a nylon core also but felt endcaps. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qcl9aK-fuLiVhZ8.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher

@Charkatak Жыл бұрын

Just received PH7317 filter from Amazon and the box is from a "newer" version as shown in the video, however the filter is the "older" with silicon anti-drain back valve.

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

Thanks for Sharing! I'm curious, how many inlet holes on the filter that you got?

@Charkatak Жыл бұрын

@@WhipCityWrencher 10 holes - Exactly the same filter as your old one. Inside is the metal, not plastic and Fram logo is printed on the can, not a sticker.

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

@@Charkatak Oh, Okay Thanks!👍

@Charkatak Жыл бұрын

@@WhipCityWrencher Any idea if Honda A02 filter is equivalent of Fram PH or TG filter?

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

@@Charkatak I never compared the two side by side but here's a video of the Honda filter I opened almost 2 years ago. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m-CigtCK37TNZYU.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher

@pedlpower 13 күн бұрын

My order of 2 PH7317 arrived today and they both have a date code of A41732 (June 21, 2024). The center tube is steel with louvres and I don't think it has steel end caps. I did not cut them open. The bypass valve is the usual button type.

@faxmen09 Жыл бұрын

The newer "Fram" looks most like the current Champ Labs made Advance Auto "Drive" filter with a sticker and some "sure grip" on the dome. First Brands throwing them in the same box as older Fram...no beuno. Also nitrile adbv when supposed silicone....also no bueno. Fram going to metal endcaps after all these years of promoting fiber end caps.... heresy. lol However, add a silicone adbv to the new design, good to go I think. Who knows if this version the final one. Metal caps on an Orange Can (and TG), who'd a thunk it? Thanks to Paul for the EG filter and you Whip for the vid. 👍

@GT-mn3bx Жыл бұрын

According to Frams site a few months ago, the Drive is a step down from the Extra Guard. I was looking for Ultra specs for Duramaxes and they don't have them. Only Extra Guards.

@faxmen09 Жыл бұрын

@@GT-mn3bx I don't trust much out FB info now. EG likely has a better 'rated' efficiency than Drive.

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

You're Welcome faxmen09!

@PurpleDreki Жыл бұрын

Good morning, Pete!

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

Good Morning!👍

@patchesthejaybird8431 Жыл бұрын

I just looked at some Fram extra guard filters today, and most look like the old design. Maybe Fram hasn't switched all filters to the new design? Or maybe they are old stock??? As always, I enjoy your filter analysis!

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

Thanks👍 Maybe they changed just this one? We'll have to wait and see.

@jackson331 Жыл бұрын

Fram and Champ is owned by First Brands, and this new Fram looks identical to Champ made filters like super tech

@davidcampbell1899 Жыл бұрын

I think first brands is switching up the filters, but doing a sloppy job! They should have put a silicone ADBV in it and written new and improved on the box or something. Somebody dropped the ball!

@faxmen09 Жыл бұрын

@@davidcampbell1899 Well, First Brands has been substituting nitrile adbv on EG and TG, and box still said silicone. IOW, not new. Whip posted one such example on an orange can.

@jonmo2694 Жыл бұрын

I still wouldn't leave it in 10k or 1 year.Its cheap enough to change, I opted for the fram ultra synthetic.I was going to leave the extra in until next oil change but decided not to. Also, I only had to pay a few more dollars for the ultra, which was on sale. I'm more comfortable leaving the ultra in for a year if I decide to.

@loganhalderman7186 Жыл бұрын

Looks like a champ labs (ac delco/super tech with a Fram can. Cool.

@SimpleTastyFood2024 Жыл бұрын

Great job Pete! Merri :)

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Merri!

@danhambrick6331 Жыл бұрын

Looks like Fram has been watching your videos and stepped up their game...😁👍👍

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

LOL😂 Thanks, Dan!

@kruelzombieful Жыл бұрын

New one Champ filter? I like the new one better.

@BeanoNoir Жыл бұрын

That right thar is a Champ filter dressed to look like a Fram. MUCH better filter. They technically have the same parent company, but I don't think I've ever seen them collaborate like this.

@alexmann5585 6 ай бұрын

8th February 2024, Fran still selling the “old model” so, there is no “new” and “old”, maybe for the high demand push to Fram to buy with other provider

@WhipCityWrencher 6 ай бұрын

Yep, What I think is going on is Champ Labs. is making this filter size for Fram to sell on Amazon.

@haroldbeauchamp3770 Жыл бұрын

My guess is that First Brands is consolidating their budget filters into one, cost-effective line of filters. I’ve been a fan of SuperTech filters and with these changes, I feel that Fram can begin to overcome some of the negative feedback of their old design. They’ve got to fix their supply issues with the silicone adbv however. I’m curious how the Fram tough guard looks now.

@deere3321 3 ай бұрын

Fram started making the newer style with the silicone valve about 5 years ago

@johng.4959 Жыл бұрын

That MicroGuard Select is looking better and better!

@marketingmajor8126 Жыл бұрын

Very good elements to that filter. Only negative really is that it's made in China.

@mimelio Жыл бұрын

Hmmmm New one uses metal end caps, plastic e-core type center tube and 17% less filtering media.

@budblack3588 Жыл бұрын

I don't think there is a new and an old Fram, I think it comes down to where you are located and the supply chain, Fram bought Champlabs and they ship to your location from the closest factory. the newer Fram is similar to a Supertech, so it is just a Supertech painted orange.

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

Hi, bud Actually, I think First Brand owns Fram and Cham labs. but I may be wrong.

@wolverine2364 Жыл бұрын

Looks like the same manufacturer making the Super Tech is now making the Fram. Just different color on the can.

@dfields9511 8 ай бұрын

That’s good. Now I might buy a fram if I see it as the newer one.

@WhipCityWrencher 8 ай бұрын

The only Fram PH oil filter that I've seen made this way was the PH7317.

@dfields9511 8 ай бұрын

@@WhipCityWrencher that’s the one my cars take

@roadrunner8428 Жыл бұрын

All Fram had to do was to add metal end caps...that's it and it would sell fine as a medium level oil filter. In essence; they re-branded what looks like a Walmart Supertech oil filter.

@j.t.cooper2963 Жыл бұрын

Looks like they took one step forward with the metal end caps and one step back by removing the silicone anti-drainback valve, resulting in no real improvement.

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

👍

@ivanmitchell3876 Жыл бұрын

metal end cap...nuff said.👍👍

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

Yep,👍😂

@Antiliblife187 Жыл бұрын

Hello Whip, excellent video and comparison 👏 I still wouldn't run the new Fram filter on my bicycle. The orange can of death is a hard pass. I'm shocked that they finally have metal end caps on the EG. For me I will continue using Napa platinum, Fleetguard and Baldwin oil filters.

@GT-mn3bx Жыл бұрын

If the specs are still the same, the Gold and Wix Regular filters better. That's how they get filters to last longer. They filter worse. Save for the Purolator Boss. Last I checked.

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Cody!

@Antiliblife187 Жыл бұрын

@G T I like the rigidity of the platinum and the synthetic media with the screen backing to help keep the filter from collapsing. But I have used the napa silver and gold aswell they are all great filters. Far superior to fram.

@daewooparts Жыл бұрын

😁😁😁⚠️🍊🛢⚰️

@ytdeagle Жыл бұрын

Hello great typical oil filter review. Would be nice to get some real performance data to really see what the differences are. 1. At what PSI does the bypass kick in (If I am running 80 PSI on the gage is the filter in bypass). 2. Also what flow rate + PSI kicks off the bypass valve (I would think if it will filter smaller particles then it will flow less volume and create more PSI restriction therefore engaging the bypass at a lower oil pressure ). 3. Are high pressure high volume oil pumps running the filters in bypass and we are not realizing it ?. 4. Do the filters actually filter at the advertised particle size (how do we know). 5. How does the oil viscosity effect the bypass (Do thicker oils and smaller micron rated filters restrict flow and cause bypass more often). 6. If the filter reaches bypass all the filtered particles go straight into the engine right?. Don't get me wrong, your review was a great mechanical review of the construction. The bypass issue would be very difficult to test and measure, just something often wandered (worried) about. Thanks

@GT-mn3bx Жыл бұрын

All great questions. I can offer a tighter Wix Regular/Napa Gold at 23 micron vs XP/Platinum at 35 microns has 3 lbs cold and 2 lbs hot more oil pressure with same oil. (During summer temps). Also, going to 10W40 over 5W30 is about the same. Again during summer. I would think in winter the cold pressure would be a few lbs more than summer cold.

@edwardglowacki4495 Жыл бұрын

Is it possible that the new version is actually a bootleg ? The sticker is something that Fram has never used. We all know that merchandise purchased on Amazon isn’t always what it appears .

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

I don't know, but some of the older Fram Ultras had stickers on the cans.

@edwardglowacki4495 Жыл бұрын

@@WhipCityWrencher didn’t know that. I’m just used to regular orange.

@save16thave Жыл бұрын

I like the new one better. 👍

@PhOeNiXpIoLe Жыл бұрын

Really curious about the latest line of Fram filters I’ve been seeing at Advance Auto Parts: Fram Drive, Fram Force and Fram Titanium.

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

I have opened the Fram Drive and Titanium in the past.

@jeffkortsch8276 Жыл бұрын

Another case of not always believing what is on the box (or Fram web site). It looks like production of the lowest end Fram moved to Champ Labs but the box either wasn't redesigned or they had leftover stock to run through so "Silicone anti-drainback valve" isn't accurate. It is definitely a step up moving to the metal endcaps from the fiber endcaps though. Now an oil filter customer at Walmart has possibly three very similar options to choose from - Fram Extra Guard, Supertech and ACDelco.

@jamescaron6465 Жыл бұрын

I think I’ll stick to my purolators

@davidcampbell1899 Жыл бұрын

The one from Amazon seems to be a Champion Filter, but the paint on the can is crappy and the sticker is not right. Its either a counterfeit filter or FIRST BRANDS who is the parent company to both fram and champ labs is doing a terrible job of making the public think they are upgrading the extra guard filter. The could get sued for false advertising based on the box.

@ashoppa Жыл бұрын

There are a lot of counterfeit auto parts on Amazon and Ebay

@faxmen09 Жыл бұрын

I'll go with the second choice as the correct one. However, add a silicone adbv to the Champ Labs made Fram, good to go for 'me'.

@GT-mn3bx Жыл бұрын

There are black silicone ADBVs.

@faxmen09 Жыл бұрын

@@GT-mn3bx Only 'one' black adbv has proven to be other than nitrile, Toyota Thai Denso, silicone. And in the case of First Brands Fram orange can, the black adbv used has been burn tested by Whip and other forums and proven to be nitrile. Confident one on new "Fram", nitrile.

@dwheeler016 Жыл бұрын

The newer filter seems to be much better, BUT why are they hiding where it was made?

@LoveLikeaHurricane Жыл бұрын

I'm curious if they will also be implementing these changes to the Honda Filter.

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

This size has been the only Fram Extra Guard oil filter I've seen made with this change

@pedlpower 14 күн бұрын

I'm a little late to comment but I'll add my 2 cents. I think the change is temporary and due to supply chain issues. FRAM was making the OEM Subaru filters until the shutdown. Then Subaru started providing a generic blue filter with no markings. Probably not a FRAM. Now Subaru is selling black Tokyo Roki filters. I'm going to order two PH7317 filters from Amazon tonight (07/29/2024) and I'll check the date codes and construction and report back.

@pedlpower 13 күн бұрын

ok... the 2 PH7317 arrived and they both have a date code of A41732 (June 21, 2024). The center tube is steel with louvres and I don't think it has steel end caps. I did not cut them open. The bypass valve is the usual button type.

@bigjim5551212 Жыл бұрын

Surprised to see metal end caps. I'm still going to be careful

@dfields9511 Жыл бұрын

how does the newer fram compare to the MP7317 (Super Tech 20K) I like the metal end caps. the newer one looks like a copied SuperTech ( champion labs)

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

The MP should have a silicone anti-drain back valve and the micron rating is not the same with the Supertech at 99% at 30 microns.

@Arfonfree Жыл бұрын

I see 3 possibilities: 1. Made in different Fram factories using different tooling. 2. Fram doesn't make one or both filters, but buys them from whatever factory is offering a better deal. 3. One is counterfeit.

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

This new one looks a lot like a Champ Lab. made oil filter.

@rumleyrum5839 Жыл бұрын

With so many counterfeit automotive products showing up on Amazon (spark plugs among many others) I'm wondering if it has now hit the oil filter segment. Guess we will know if this is legit if the "newer" design shows up on the shelves of the brick-and-mortar stores.

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

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@ranger178 Жыл бұрын

i like the fram ultra synthetic filters but everyone just cuts filter in pieces and looks at them i wish someone would make a flow test machine and some particulate test on oil after being run through different filters with dirt in oil that would actually tell which has best flow or clogs first

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

This guy did and maybe still does but I think it's pretty expensive. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ec6bqt2GktSsY5c.html&ab_channel=AndrewSchneider

@captainwho1 8 ай бұрын

Check out Brand Ranks. He is doing fantastic oil filter performance tests.

@forexsanjose6090 Жыл бұрын

What does the number 7317 mean?

@sudsycloud6530 Жыл бұрын

Ugh. Nitrile rubber ADBV ruins an otherwise decent filter. The new one reminds me of a budget Supertech but with metal end caps. Are we sure that maybe the one from Amazon isn't a fake? It would be interesting to get Fram involved and find out. Amazon has tons of problems with fake products and they won't know if someone doesn't call it out. I find it hard to believe that Fram would say it's a silicone ADBV on the box but not actually have one. That's like a lawsuit waiting to happen for them.

@faxmen09 Жыл бұрын

In this case, I believe to new EG filter purchase at Amazon is an authentic First Brand Champ Labs made Fram. First Brands already been doing same for Advance Auto "Fram" filters for quite awhile with the AAP Fram Drive oil filter. And First Brands Fram has been substituting nitrile adbvs for silicone on EG and TG, Whip has posted one such filter. If any lawsuits coming would be from consumers to First Brands for false advertising.

@GT-mn3bx Жыл бұрын

I've seen Nitrile ADBV (not on my vehicles) be fine at over 10K. If your vehicles filter is stud mount up, the ADBV isn't even needed.

@faxmen09 Жыл бұрын

@@GT-mn3bx Perhaps, but in this case not really the point. Advertise silicone, it should be silicone.

@patrickhenry2845 3 ай бұрын

The older Fram Ultra oil filter is better than the newer ones. You have to look for the year on the box only. If it says the year 2020, you have a good one. After that year, the quality diminished. .

@xxuncexx Жыл бұрын

Honestly aside from the end caps, the old one might be better. People complained about the cardboard end caps so they made metal ones but cut costs everywhere else. Rubber seal is thinner, less filter media (old one seems a bit denser too under the microscope), glued instead of metal crimp, rubber instead of silicone drain back, and the core is plastic instead of metal. I mean, lets be honest, its their cheapest filter and you shouldn't be going longer than 5K miles anyway. They should both get the job done. But aside from the end caps, the old one seems better.

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback!👍

@micfitz Жыл бұрын

I bought a PH7317 from Walmart 05/26/2023 and the threaded mounting hole is bigger than the old one!!!

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

Wow, That's a New one, I've heard of threads missing. Contact Fram maybe they'll replace it with a few good ones. Thanks for Sharing👍

@micfitz Жыл бұрын

@@WhipCityWrencher It’s gone from being a 3/4 inch hole to 20mm! I am assuming that is a permanent change, still waiting for Fram to respond. Meanwhile, ordered a $21 OEM filter from Troybilt.

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

@@micfitz It's supposed to be 20mm that's the same size oil filter I use on my daughter's car.

@TargaWheels Жыл бұрын

I wonder of the sticker means they're from an outside supplier, or if its cheaper to use stickers over printed.

@marketingmajor8126 Жыл бұрын

They are Champ filters labeled Fram.

@Esbei2x Жыл бұрын

Fram!

@eladioalejandronavarroble6822 2 ай бұрын

Do you know... If i can use this filter oil for sintétic oil (Kirland 5W30 or i need another one

@WhipCityWrencher 2 ай бұрын

Kirkland 5w30 Synthetic oil is fine

@scottymoondogjakubin4766 Жыл бұрын

The newer fram is better but theres no hiding the misc cost cutting ! maybe compare it to a supertech and see !

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

Hi Scotty, I'll probably do that if they keep making them this way.

@daewooparts Жыл бұрын

Wonder if these are similar to the new blank blue Subaru filters ,the older blue FRAM Subaru filters are dissapearing & the newer blue dealer installed Subaru filters are completely blank & only the box has the part#& information, they also appear to now have the E Core too ,would be cool if Whip City could get his hands on both & cut them open

@Thestargazer56 11 ай бұрын

I got a Fram FE10295 filter element for my Tundra. It was made in the US, has a metal mesh inside, silicone (orange) gaskets, metal crimp on the filtration media. Looks like the same as the Toyota TRD filter, which are unavailable. Quality looks to be better than most of the other filters for the Tundra V-8. Maybe Fram is getting their act together.

@WhipCityWrencher 11 ай бұрын

Yep, that's a relatively New Fram Endurance oil filter that came a few months ago.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m6-pkpiEx9yuh6M.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher

@Gary7even Жыл бұрын

Did Champion Labs buy out Fram? The new one looks like a Champion E-core filter. If Champion does not now own Fram they should sue them for patent infringement.

@faxmen09 Жыл бұрын

No. First Brands owns both Fram and Champ Labs. They have been calling Champ made filters "Fram" in the Advance Auto Fram 'Drive' filter for some time now.

@GT-mn3bx Жыл бұрын

@@faxmen09 What's crazy is one other guy posted his Frams were Luberfiners with a sticker over it. Luberfiner has been a Champ Labs filter since 1979.

@faxmen09 Жыл бұрын

@@GT-mn3bx Champ Labs, Luberfiner, same company. Luberfiner falls under Champ Labs umbrella. Which now under First Brands. So, 'if' Luberfiner was found not under sticker wouldn't be all that surprising.

@user-hs9gp7po9t Жыл бұрын

Nickname at our Shop for Fram. Rusty.

@darrenporsch Жыл бұрын

I stopped using the filter years ago when I found out it had the cardboard end cap and switched to the tough guard which is made better and it's only a couple dollars more. On my newer car that takes synthetic I use the fram ultra guard synthetic filter

@aaronatwood9298 Жыл бұрын

Either that is a champ labs filter for the newer one, or someone got a scam product from the Amazon. Both are highly likely, but a sticker on Fram sounds like a fake to me. I got a set of Motorcraft plugs from Amazon for my F150 and the ones I got first time were wrong plug in box, second ones looked right until you looked at the electrode strap and the writing on base was in Mandarin… since no one had them in town besides the stealership, I went there and got correct part.

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

Hi Aaron, This KZfaqr made a what to look for in fake Motorcraft parts, here's the link. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hdZ0fbF1x5zGaXU.html&ab_channel=FordTechMakuloco

@aaronatwood9298 Жыл бұрын

@@WhipCityWrencher I’ve seen that video. He has many good facts and great information. The way parts are faked, some look amazing, some even will function adequately in the spot. But I quit getting auto parts or off road parts off Amazon because I’ve had way too many be fakes or defects that someone returned and reboxed. Amazon is a terrible company who is definitely not on the good side of employee relations, or how they let companies advertise “real” parts, or send out reboxed stuff as new, And they will some times fight over stuff too. Tools have a tendency to be the same way, fakes or defects from the big rock candy mountain. I love your channel. Keep it up.

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

@@aaronatwood9298 Thanks!👍

@michaelalbert7254 Жыл бұрын

Could you place the plastic center in hot oil and see if it remains rigid? Wonder if the plastic could deform when hot with a little pressure.

@tomtheplummer7322 Жыл бұрын

Probably as durable as any plastics on modern cars. Just as I take manifolds, oil pans, etc. The heat, cold cycles eventually causes the plastics to warp or crack and leak. 🤨🧐😏🤷‍♂️

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

I don't think it will deform as this plastic is in so many filters.

@GT-mn3bx Жыл бұрын

@@WhipCityWrencher You would think they would test this in say 500 degree oil which would exceed anything even high performance street cars would see. I like steel.

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

@@GT-mn3bx I've opened a few used filters and never saw any problems with the plastic, but the glue, on the other hand, I have seen problems. I just opened up a used one today with bits of glue all over it. Still working on the video but it should be out on Feb 7th.

@TassieLorenzo 7 ай бұрын

Apparently the nylon is rated for 480 Farenheit (or 250 degrees Celcius), if your oil is getting that hot your engine has other problems!

@jimdent351 5 ай бұрын

I'll never buy another Fram filter again. A Fram Ultra Synthetic cartridge filter started breaking down in my engine and circulated throughout. I lost most of my oil pressure and that led to failed lifters

@mikman7219 Ай бұрын

The only aftermarket filter worth considering is Mann. They are produced in different countries but they are all good. Otherwise just go to a dealer and get an OEM filter. I don't understand people who buy Fram filters after decades of history of torn cartridges. What makes them buy Fram filters if good filters are available at roughly the same price or cheaper?

@dadgarage7966 Жыл бұрын

Use a filter from the dealer.

@GT-mn3bx Жыл бұрын

Could this be one of the black silicone ADBVs?

@WhipCityWrencher Жыл бұрын

Doubt it.

@faxmen09 Жыл бұрын

Echoing Whip, highly doubt it.

@GT-mn3bx Жыл бұрын

@@WhipCityWrencher I doubt it also, but in this day age, that is some blatant false advertising.

@faxmen09 Жыл бұрын

@@GT-mn3bx See link for EG with nitrile adbv box says silicone. Go to 11: 55 in link kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m6eohZOjs5_Semw.html

@GT-mn3bx Жыл бұрын

@@faxmen09 I remember that vid. I was just at Walmart. Some EG have silicone and some black nitrile. I guess it depends on the age. A while back their site showed EG having silicone.